The Robert Mueller Investigation

[Anastasis 23704]

1 minute ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Who do you trust Anastasis?  Who is an honest broker of information in your view?  

Twitter, duh. 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

1 minute ago, Anastasis said:

Twitter, duh. 

Point is if you can’t believe anyone on anything then why should anyone listen to whatever you have to say? 

[TtomTerrific 200]

16 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

For?

OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE IN ITS MOST CLASSICAL DEFINITION....NOTHING OPAQUE ABOUT IT, JUST A PROSECUTOR NOW THAT HAS NOT BEEN ORDERED TO LEAVE IT BE.

[Anastasis 23704]

3 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Point is if you can’t believe anyone on anything then why should anyone listen to whatever you have to say? 

So many questions.

 

[TtomTerrific 200]

oh...wait..." prosecutorial discretion"...I forgot. 

[jimmyjazz 46988]

17 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

Comey is your homey too, I see. 

Not particularly.  Why do you say that?  Why not address the 800 pound gorilla that everyone keeps pointing out yet you seem to think you're cleverly avoiding?

[David Dennison 19441]

5 minutes ago, TtomTerrific said:

OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE IN ITS MOST CLASSICAL DEFINITION....NOTHING OPAQUE ABOUT IT, JUST A PROSECUTOR NOW THAT HAS NOT BEEN ORDERED TO LEAVE IT BE.

What did James Comey do to obstruct justice?

[Anastasis 23704]

6 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

Not particularly.  Why do you say that?  Why not address the 800 pound gorilla that everyone keeps pointing out yet you seem to think you're cleverly avoiding?

Tell you what, when I see a Fox News Town Hall involving Jeff Sessions, I will be sure to call it a crock of shit too. 

[BradInATX 9208]

1. Not every NeoNazi is a Trump supporter. Were you to try and find evidence for this, you would find none.

2. Trump denounced Neonazis, here's the transcript. What the MSM was outraged about was that he condemned the antifa people as well, and so they reported the falsehood a thousand times until it became "truth". He repeatedly condemned neonazis, it's right there in the transcript.

3. Trump isn't the least bit an antisemite, and again you have no evidence. He's extremely popular in Israel for all his pro Israel policies, and his grandkids are being raised jewish with his approval. 

Captain, how do you feel about these lies? Do you condemn them?

What percentage of neo nazis would you guess are Trump supporters, in your best estimation?

 

[jimmyjazz 46988]

2 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

Tell you what, when I see a Fox News Town Hall involving Jeff Sessions, I will be sure to call it a crock of shit too. 

Why is a Town Hall any different than Trump calling in to Fox and Friends?  

[Anastasis 23704]

2 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

Why is a Town Hall any different than Trump calling in to Fox and Friends?  

Fox and friends is likewise a crock of shit, and Trump calling in to F&F to ramble about whatever nonsense is on his mind at the moment is also a crock of shit.  Next question. 

Edited May 7, 2019 by Anastasis

[JimmyJames 12271]

1 hour ago, TtomTerrific said:

Jimmy James 

... the arbiter of who has "lost credibility here" still hanging on like a scorned bitch. 

 

take the loss, pussy. 

 

your "credibility" on this matter is laughable and your idiotic assumption of ability to assign "credibility" on to others, while yours has been destroyed and you insist upon digging the hole deeper is as amusing as your party's answers moving forward. 

The orange haired moron in office is there and will remain there because of the Jimmy Jameses who are spinning around in the grief cycle. 

 

Thanks for ensuring that no qualified President will ever be elected in either of our lifetimes, you unbelievable moron. 

I hereby award you 4 trumpy bears for this post/rant. 

Smoke up Johnny! 

[Revolution512 1512]

46 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

For?

The AG will investigate more than this but I’m guessing he won’t find the proper justification for conducting surveillance of an American citizen.

[David Dennison 19441]

Just now, Revolution512 said:

The AG will investigate more than this but I’m guessing he won’t find the proper justification for conducting surveillance of an American citizen.

The warrant makes this argument extremely difficult.

[JimmyJames 12271]

Anyone who thinks the FISA warrant issue is going to go anywhere is completely ignorant as to how easy warrants are to obtain and even more specifically, how hard it is to prove they were wrongfully obtained. It’s a smokescreen non issue. 

Barr should resign over his spying comment alone, along with his complete lie of omission to congress over the mueller letter. 

He wont though, because he’s got to get paid. And he will get paid and when he does, he should be criminally prosecuted. 

[Lagunamadre 1975]

6 minutes ago, Revolution512 said:

The AG will investigate more than this but I’m guessing he won’t find the proper justification for conducting surveillance of an American citizen.

If that is the case, then technically the only person culpable would be an unnamed FISA judge. They are the ultimate arbiter as to wether or not the justification is "proper". 

[jimmyjazz 46988]

16 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

Fox and friends is likewise a crock of shit, and Trump calling in to F&F to ramble about whatever nonsense is on his mind at the moment is also a crock of shit.  Next question. 

I must have missed all the times you pointed that out to us.  Both sides!

[Zavala 1384]

35 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

So many questions.

 

Forest thru trees guy 2020!

6 minutes ago, Revolution512 said:

The AG will investigate more than this but I’m guessing he won’t find the proper justification for conducting surveillance of an American citizen.

An American citizen who happened to be running for president. Opposing the president. Who just happened to be hated by those put in charge of investigating him. Then they tried to hide the bias.

 

 

[GW Hayduke 1957]

5 minutes ago, Lagunamadre said:

If that is the case, then technically the only person culpable would be an unnamed FISA judge. They are the ultimate arbiter as to wether or not the justification is "proper". 

If we are talking about the Carter Page PHD FISA warrant, then there will need to be 4 judges put in jail. I’m sure they are already in jail though and the FBI has already been shutdown as a result of the devastating Nunez Memo!!?!?

Serious question. Why are people still bringing up FISA abuses and “being spied on?” Didn’t we all live through the Nunez and Gowdy stupid train when the GOP had the house? What am I missing?

[David Dennison 19441]

9 minutes ago, Zavala said:

Forest thru trees guy 2020!

An American citizen who happened to be running for president. Opposing the president. Who just happened to be hated by those put in charge of investigating him. Then they tried to hide the bias.

 

 

They were so opposed to Donald Trump becoming president they kept the investigation under wraps until after he got elected.

 

[Lagunamadre 1975]

4 minutes ago, GW Hayduke said:

If we are talking about the Carter Page PHD FISA warrant, then there will need to be 4 judges put in jail. I’m sure they are already in jail though and the FBI has already been shutdown as a result of the devastating Nunez Memo!!?!?

Serious question. Why are people still bringing up FISA abuses and “being spied on?” Didn’t we all live through the Nunez and Gowdy stupid train when the GOP had the house? What am I missing?

One Trump tweet can bring any stupid train back from the dead. 

[TtomTerrific 200]

y'all are scared to death of Barr and it is fucking glorious.

Not fan of Trump, I wanted Jim Webb to be the President this cycle, but y'all fucked him out of coverage and opportunity much like y'all fucked  Bernie, later.

I am a huge fan of Barr, though....and watching this cat cause y'all to piss down your leg is the most entertaining political event of the season.

He's going to take you down utilizing your own insane bullshit against you.

 

JOE BIDEN TO THE RESCUE!!!!!!!

perhaps the Jimmy Jazz strategy of race-baiting with really work this time.

 

thanks again, assholes.

[David Dennison 19441]

Just now, TtomTerrific said:

y'all are scared to death of Barr and it is fucking glorious.

Not fan of Trump, I wanted Jim Webb to be the President this cycle, but y'all fucked him out of coverage and opportunity much like y'all fucked  Bernie, later.

I am a huge fan of Barr, though....and watching this cat cause y'all to piss down your leg is the most entertaining political event of the season.

He's going to take you down utilizing your own insane bullshit against you.

 

JOE BIDEN TO THE RESCUE!!!!!!!

perhaps the Jimmy Jazz strategy of race-baiting with really work this time.

 

thanks again, assholes.

No one is scared of Bill Barr. He can investigate all he wants.

[BradInATX 9208]

3 minutes ago, TtomTerrific said:

y'all are scared to death of Barr and it is fucking glorious.

Not fan of Trump, I wanted Jim Webb to be the President this cycle, but y'all fucked him out of coverage and opportunity much like y'all fucked  Bernie, later.

I am a huge fan of Barr, though....and watching this cat cause y'all to piss down your leg is the most entertaining political event of the season.

He's going to take you down utilizing your own insane bullshit against you.

 

JOE BIDEN TO THE RESCUE!!!!!!!

perhaps the Jimmy Jazz strategy of race-baiting with really work this time.

 

thanks again, assholes.

Ttom, are you going to answer my question?

What percentage of neo-Nazis do you think are Trump supporters, in your best estimation?

[jimmyjazz 46988]

4 minutes ago, TtomTerrific said:

Not fan of Trump, I wanted Jim Webb to be the President this cycle, but y'all fucked him out of coverage and opportunity much like y'all fucked  Bernie, later.x

Yes, Donald suffered greatly in the first two years of his Presidency when the Republicans controlled the House, the Senate, SCOTUS and the Executive branch.  Woe is Trump.

 

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perhaps the Jimmy Jazz strategy of race-baiting with really work this time.

You'll have to explain that one (once you sober up).

[Doc Sam Beckett 5854]

Stop fucking quoting Ttom

[Cairn Horn88 8500]

2 hours ago, TtomTerrific said:

Jimmy James 

... the arbiter of who has "lost credibility here" still hanging on like a scorned bitch. 

 

take the loss, pussy. 

 

your "credibility" on this matter is laughable and your idiotic assumption of ability to assign "credibility" on to others, while yours has been destroyed and you insist upon digging the hole deeper is as amusing as your party's answers moving forward. 

The orange haired moron in office is there and will remain there because of the Jimmy Jameses who are spinning around in the grief cycle. 

 

Thanks for ensuring that no qualified President will ever be elected in either of our lifetimes, you unbelievable moron. 

Great read from Esquire:

“Mitch McConnell's Trump Defense Strategy Is Proof the Republican Party Is an Authoritarian Outfit…The president is destroying any institution of democracy that could provide a check on his power, and Republicans in Congress are helping him.”

"The sad fact of the matter is that the Republican Party in Congress has abandoned all pretense of performing its constitutional duties, choosing instead to fall in lockstep behind a leader who engages in daily attempts to undermine or destroy the institutions of democracy that might serve as a check on his power, and who has embraced political violence from the rally podium. Now he's musing about getting his term extended for reasons just as fabricated as those he used to deploy active-duty troops on U.S. soil.  It's not really that complicated what's happening here. The United States has an authoritarian strongman for a president, and he has broken the law by obstructing an investigation into himself and his associates-and, likely, by attempting to monetize his office through The Great American Heist. At the very least, he has abused his power as an official of the public trust and betrayed his oath to defend the Constitution. He will continue to destroy the republic by a thousand cuts until he is removed, and his allies in the Republican Party will help him. The only question is whether those with any allegiance to the republic can grasp this fully, and before it's too late."

 

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/mitch-mcconnells-trump-defense-strategy-155300051.html?.tsrc=fauxdal

 

 

 

[Foosters 18232]

4 minutes ago, Doc Sam Beckett said:

Stop fucking quoting Ttom

Yeah, just because his family wont talk to him, doesn't mean we have to.

[TtomTerrific 200]

maintain the echo chamber!...don't hurt our feelings!

take the loss, pussies.

 

and, yeah, Jimmy....I promise you I can go back fewer than 10 pages on this thread on this day to find an incidence of your race-baiting. 

I know that you are struggling with being so invested in this report and having it collapse right in front of all of us, but I would need to "put my drink down" to scroll back.

You disgusting bitch. .....take the loss pusssy. 

[BradInATX 9208]

Ttom, are you going to answer my question?

What percentage of neo-Nazis do you think are Trump supporters, in your best estimation?

[jimmyjazz 46988]

4 minutes ago, TtomTerrific said:

and, yeah, Jimmy....I promise you I can go back fewer than 10 pages on this thread on this day to find an incidence of your race-baiting. 

Do it.

And no, I won't stop quoting Ttom.

[4th&Five 41908]

State TV doing its job.

 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

“What would a person and his party guilty as fuck do?”

It cannot be understated how Trump and his stooges have behaved like criminals using every tool at their disposal to elude justice.  

“Case closed!  Nothing to see here!  Time to move on!”

Says the completely innocent men. 

[David Dennison 19441]

Just now, Hugo Stiglitz said:

“What would a person and his party guilty as fuck do?”

It cannot be understated how Trump and his stooges have behaved like criminals using every tool at their disposal to elude justice.  

“Case closed!  Nothing to see here!  Time to move on!”

Says the completely innocent men. 

Which is precisely why no one is moving on.

[SuingToGetAMessageBoard? 3861]

15 minutes ago, 4th&Five said:

State TV doing its job.

 

Probably some cause and effect switched there.  Many watch Fox not for news but to get the argument for the side they already believe.  So they watch Fox because they think the Mueller report clears Trump, and so forth, instead of the other way around. 

[bolverk 30247]

After catching up on the last several pages, I've come to the conclusion that those of us who passionately oppose Trump, like myself, need to tighten up our language in criticizing Trump and his supporters. While we may find common cause with certain political groups on specific policies, we also need to recognize that there are various shades of ideologies.

For example, I don't believe the interests of the American public are best served by an unfettered, laissez-faire, unregulated free market due to the tendency of capitalism to drift toward monopolies/oligopolies and also think that certain services would best be provided as a public good (education, healthcare, environmental protection). In my opinion, those beliefs don't make me a socialist, per se, but one who thinks a mixed market economy, supported by a strong safety net for protecting citizens and entrepreneurs, is the best method of achieving the American Dream.

Having said that, I also don't agree that Trump and all his supporters are neo-Nazis. If I were to pigeonhole him, I'd say that our president is 1) an isolationist at heart with strong penchants toward 2) white nationalism and 3) authoritarianism and, therefore, often finds common cause with groups who support those three ideologies.

Let's try to be more precise in our criticisms of this orange-haired buffoon and the various despicable political groups who support him.

[Zavala 1384]

1 hour ago, David Dennison said:

No one is scared of Bill Barr. He can investigate all he wants.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/deadline-arrives-barr-turn-unredacted-mueller-report-face/story?id=62848213

Huh, they want the unredacted report, they can read it in a scif?

Except ongoing GJ cases....

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

5 minutes ago, bolverk said:

After catching up on the last several pages, I've come to the conclusion that those of us who passionately oppose Trump, like myself, need to tighten up our language in criticizing Trump and his supporters. While we may find common cause with certain political groups on specific policies, we also need to recognize that there are various shades of ideologies.

For example, I don't believe the interests of the American public are best served by an unfettered, laissez-faire, unregulated free market due to the tendency of capitalism to drift toward monopolies/oligopolies and also think that certain services would best be provided as a public good (education, healthcare, environmental protection). In my opinion, those beliefs don't make me a socialist, per se, but one who thinks a mixed market economy, supported by a strong safety net for protecting citizens and entrepreneurs, is the best method of achieving the American Dream.

Having said that, I also don't agree that Trump and all his supporters are neo-Nazis. If I were to pigeonhole him, I'd say that our president is 1) an isolationist at heart with strong penchants toward 2) white nationalism and 3) authoritarianism and, therefore, often finds common cause with groups who support those three ideologies.

Let's try to be more precise in our criticisms of this orange-haired buffoon and the various despicable political groups who support him.

I dunno, can’t remember who said it first but deplorables seems really accurate.

[TwiceHorn 31996]

10 minutes ago, bolverk said:

After catching up on the last several pages, I've come to the conclusion that those of us who passionately oppose Trump, like myself, need to tighten up our language in criticizing Trump and his supporters. While we may find common cause with certain political groups on specific policies, we also need to recognize that there are various shades of ideologies.

For example, I don't believe the interests of the American public are best served by an unfettered, laissez-faire, unregulated free market due to the tendency of capitalism to drift toward monopolies/oligopolies and also think that certain services would best be provided as a public good (education, healthcare, environmental protection). In my opinion, those beliefs don't make me a socialist, per se, but one who thinks a mixed market economy, supported by a strong safety net for protecting citizens and entrepreneurs, is the best method of achieving the American Dream.

Having said that, I also don't agree that Trump and all his supporters are neo-Nazis. If I were to pigeonhole him, I'd say that our president is 1) an isolationist at heart with strong penchants toward 2) white nationalism and 3) authoritarianism and, therefore, often finds common cause with groups who support those three ideologies.

Let's try to be more precise in our criticisms of this orange-haired buffoon and the various despicable political groups who support him.

Good post.  Except his white nationalism and authoritarianism are really simpler.  It's Me-ism, he just happens to be white.  If it isn't what he thinks (at that precise moment) it's bad, wrong, Bigly bad and wrong.  And he isn't bothered with that complexity of holdng two inconsistent thoughts in his head simultaneously.  He has tons of inconsistent thoughts, but can't hold two at any given time, consistent or inconsistent.

Edited May 7, 2019 by TwiceHorn

[bolverk 30247]

2 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Good post.  Except his white nationalism and authoritarianism are really simpler.  It's Me-ism, he just happens to be white.  If it isn't what he thinks (at that precise moment) it's bad, wrong, Bigly bad and wrong.

Let's meet in the middle and call it We-ism, because he is certainly including those who look and talk like him.

[Zavala 1384]

1 hour ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

“What would a person and his party guilty as fuck do?”

It cannot be understated how Trump and his stooges have behaved like criminals using every tool at their disposal to elude justice.  

“Case closed!  Nothing to see here!  Time to move on!”

Says the completely innocent men. 

He's been accused of treason for two years, viciously attacked and lied about, constantly. Now a $35M investigation with 3 years of spying finds no evidence of collusion with Russia. He is saying these things to trigger you.

[Zavala 1384]

8 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

I dunno, can’t remember who said it first but deplorables seems really accurate.

"Basket of Deplorables"

Between coughing fits, Hillary Clinton. Classic moment where someone shouted that racist Nazi frog name too.

 

 

 

[bolverk 30247]

1 minute ago, Zavala said:

He's been accused of treason for two years, viciously attacked and lied about, constantly. Now a $35M investigation with 3 years of spying finds no evidence of collusion with Russia. He is saying these things to trigger you.

If not "collusion," how would you categorize the actions and intentions behind "expecting help, seeking help, asking for help, knowing that help is happening, assisting that help, and capitalizing on that help?" Genuinely curious what descriptor you'd choose.

[bolverk 30247]

 

 

 

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4 minutes ago, Zavala said:

"Basket of Deplorables"

Between coughing fits, Hillary Clinton. Classic moment where someone shouted that racist Nazi frog name too.

 

Negged for the use of the Pepe meme on this board.

[SquishMitten 10493]

On 5/2/2019 at 1:00 PM, David Dennison said:

Over/under on the number of times Donald Trump talks about a rigged election in the lead up to 2020.

More or fewer than in 2016?

Start a poll. I’m taking the over, and I’ll stick with that if the results are the same (i.e., looses pop vote but holds the EC).

[Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand 13619]

On 5/6/2019 at 12:25 PM, 4th&Five said:

seems like a lot.

More than 370 former federal prosecutors who worked in Republican and Democratic administrations have signed on to a statement asserting special counsel Robert S. Mueller III’s findings would have produced obstruction charges against President Trump — if not for the office he held.

“We emphasize that these are not matters of close professional judgment,” they added. “Of course, there are potential defenses or arguments that could be raised in response to an indictment of the nature we describe here . . . But, to look at these facts and say that a prosecutor could not probably sustain a conviction for obstruction of justice — the standard set out in Principles of Federal Prosecution — runs counter to logic and our experience.”

So now it's up to 700 former federal prosecutors who have served under both Republican and Democrat administrations that have Trump Derangement Syndrome. You would think a report that "totally exonerates" the president while simultaneously being "total bullshit" would be the end of this witch hunt, but apparently these guys really hate Trump. Very unfair.

[Chooky 13338]

29 minutes ago, Zavala said:

He's been accused of treason for two years, viciously attacked and lied about, constantly. Now a $35M investigation with 3 years of spying finds no evidence of collusion with Russia.

Almost 700 former federal prosecutors have said that he committed crimes.  

[TtomTerrific 200]

On 5/3/2019 at 2:04 PM, jimmyjazz said:

Hell, he's only half black.  You'd think the Republicans would at least give a little credit to the white half for something now and again.

only eight pages.

your catalog is strong though....just wanted to keep this specific to this thread and its last few pages. 

 

 

 

 

 

[WhatTheBuck 28904]

3 hours ago, David Dennison said:

What did James Comey do to obstruct justice?

He helped get Trump elected. 

[Anastasis 23704]

8 minutes ago, bolverk said:

If not "collusion," how would you categorize the actions and intentions behind "expecting help, seeking help, asking for help, knowing that help is happening, assisting that help, and capitalizing on that help?" Genuinely curious what descriptor you'd choose.

This is where the hysteria became counterproductive.  Across a variety of media outlets in the mainstream, "Trump Russia Collusion" was built up into a grand coordinated conspiracy revolving around everything from brokerage rights, to coordinated micro targeting and content delivery, to the Trump campaign straight up funding and organizing the hacking efforts under the control of the Kremlin.  This is not Mensch shit, this is the shit that was trafficked every fucking night on MSNBC and CNN, with shit heads like Clapper and Brennan on the payroll promising the viewers an insider perspective and a final barrage of indictments that catch up Trump family and all the treasonous collaborators. This shit was built up in a way to set expectations of extreme malfeasance that had an extremely small probability of being proved up. It played out in media, it played out on this very thread, and there are people here who are still working through their stages of grief over it. They set up a let down. The expectations so high such that the end result, a buffoon narcissist surrounded by some corrupt operators and a bunch of bumbling amateurs trying to work any number of self-serving angles w/ort to the consequence or potential implications instead of working through the right established protocols and screens, just doesn't resonate with the same impact that it would have without all the noise that was created.  People have tuned out, literally. Viewership is down.  And dipshits like Hugo who gassed this fucking place out for 2+ years ask "Who is an honest broker of information in your view?" without a single sense of self-awareness.