The Robert Mueller Investigation

[RomaVicta 29784]

9 hours ago, Thetexashammer said:

But seriously, when's the trial?

The Mueller investigation has been going on for two whole months and found absolutely nothing! It's a nothing burger. You liberal cabal losers are losers who are losing! I'm part of the team that is winning and tells me that we're always winning.This whole hoax is a waste of time.

[Time passes. Report comes out with damning material after multiple indictments and convictions.]

The report exonerates the president! The AG himself said so! It's been a whole month since the report came out. It's a nothing burger. Let's move on already. Nothing to see here, losers. You're losers! Hahahahahahaha!

I wish I could say that I'm surprised by the usual suspects returning to this strategy of mendacious denial.

It worked so well in the past, it will work again! CHARGE!

[ChickenSandwich 9798]

3 hours ago, HenryJames said:

No collusion.

But you have no problem with the FBI openly lying to a secret court to obtain permission to spy on a political opponent. 

https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/442944-fbis-steele-story-falls-apart-false-intel-and-media-contacts-were-flagged

bravo hypocrisy 

it was a genius plan to get Trump to utter his personal catch phrase “your fired” by attacking him with a fake investigation.  Obstruction!!!!

[Hugo Stiglitz 23356]

Knew it was John Solomon before I clicked

[Anastasis 23395]

21 hours ago, Fozzz said:

Great interview regarding the Mueller investigation.

 

 

 

This is an interesting piece. He goes into a short analysis of the psychology of Trump, a traumatized individual, why his election resulted in a genuine hurt and upset, and why drawing off the energy of that emotional upset to external influences is a defense mechanism to avoid dealing with the core problems that his election represents.  He discusses the need to think critically and avoid historical amnesia when assessing information and media. He talks about the hagiafication of Robert Mueller, and the different ways that people may psychologically respond when the savior figure doesn't deliver. One of the psychological defense mechanisms very accurately describes some of the posts offering analysis of Mueller's role post report submission over the last couple pages. He comes from a far left perspective politically, and I think that everybody is going to find things that they don't agree with in there, but if you are willing to sit through a couple parts that you will not like, no matter what your political perspective, there are worse ways to spend 30 minutes.

[David Dennison 18656]

29 minutes ago, ChickenSandwich said:

But you have no problem with the FBI openly lying to a secret court to obtain permission to spy on a political opponent. 

https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/442944-fbis-steele-story-falls-apart-false-intel-and-media-contacts-were-flagged

bravo hypocrisy 

it was a genius plan to get Trump to utter his personal catch phrase “your fired” by attacking him with a fake investigation.  Obstruction!!!!

They didn't lie.

[SmokeyTheBear 5562]

11 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

 

 

This is an interesting piece. He goes into a short analysis of the psychology of Trump, a traumatized individual, why his election resulted in a genuine hurt and upset, and why drawing off the energy of that emotional upset to external influences is a defense mechanism to avoid dealing with the core problems that his election represents.  He discusses the need to think critically and avoid historical amnesia when assessing information and media. He talks about the hagiafication of Robert Mueller, and the different ways that people may psychologically respond when the savior figure doesn't deliver. One of the psychological defense mechanisms very accurately describes some of the posts offering analysis of Mueller's role post report submission over the last couple pages. He comes from a far left perspective politically, and I think that everybody is going to find things that they don't agree with in there, but if you are willing to sit through a couple parts that you will not like, no matter what your political perspective, there are worse ways to spend 30 minutes.

He also minimizes the proven actions of a real external hostile actor into our Democracy. He makes fair points that we shouldn't solely focus on Russia as a problem and that we need to review our own situation. But the actions of Russia do need to be a focus. It is a playbook for all other hostile actors to mess with our Democracy. Minimizing this is as problematic for our nation as not looking at our own internal issues. However, an extended problem is that we do not fully understand the angle of attack from Russia/others and the impact on the election. It is still a real possibility that this traumatized individual (Trump) was not elected due to a traumatized populace, but by actions of an external part thus making this video irrelevant. 

[Dbeasy 14969]

Can someone point me to a simple succinct list that summarizes the main evidence from the Mueller report that Mueller highlighted that implicates Trump in crimes that the Attorney General was supposed to have reviewed for possible action? I can’t find a simple summary.

[Fozzz 152]

The material impact Russia's interference had on the 2016 election was rather miniscule and dwarfed by other events (such as Comey reopening the investigation), and indeed far less than the kind of interference we have had in Russia's and many other nations' elections.  Any normal person not infected with Russiagate-syndrome would not have the same kind of response as the infected in view of that context.  

Edited May 10, 2019 by Fozzz

[David Dennison 18656]

7 hours ago, notre dame joe said:

Well we might need a special counsel to investigate Biden's Ukranian ties.  I would like Mueller to assemble a team of R donors including the former lawyer for the Trump foundation.  Julliani can supervise. At least that way the Ds will cry for the release of the unredacted warrant application.

You don't need to appoint a special counsel for that. Just let the FBI and DOJ prosecutors do their jobs.

[SmokeyTheBear 5562]

4 minutes ago, Fozzz said:

The material impact Russia's interference had on the 2016 election was rather miniscule and dwarfed by other events (such as Comey reopening the investigation), and indeed far less than the kind of interference we have had in Russia's and many other nations' elections.  Any normal person not infected with Russiagate-syndrome would not have the same kind of response as the infected in view of that context.  

Based on what evidence? The public evidence shows a complete counter to what you say here. Obama was briefed prior to the election and then briefed the candidates, several other countries made sure to let our IC know about it, our IC (Trumps IC) launched investigations which are still ongoing, a Special Investigator was called up to understand the happenings of it and concluded that they did interfere, Russia has a long and ongoing history of attempting this in other countries, they bragged about that this type of thing was going to happen years ago, etc etc. 

You can look at just that set of data and conclude that I've got Russiagate-syndrome, but I can easily look at you disregarding all this as your own love for a fake strongman of a President and someone who doesn't care that bad actors are meddling with us. If others followed my path and I'm wrong, nothing really would happen. However, if you are wrong and we follow your path, we are in huge trouble as a country. 

[David Dennison 18656]

17 minutes ago, Dbeasy said:

Can someone point me to a simple succinct list that summarizes the main evidence from the Mueller report that Mueller highlighted that implicates Trump in crimes that the Attorney General was supposed to have reviewed for possible action? I can’t find a simple summary.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/4/18/18484947/mueller-report-obstruction-of-justice-summary

[Anastasis 23395]

16 minutes ago, SmokeyTheBear said:

He also minimizes the proven actions of a real external hostile actor into our Democracy.

The primary minimization I caught in that piece was within the context of a discussion of projection and victim complex.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23356]

14 minutes ago, SmokeyTheBear said:

Based on what evidence? The public evidence shows a complete counter to what you say here. Obama was briefed prior to the election and then briefed the candidates, several other countries made sure to let our IC know about it, our IC (Trumps IC) launched investigations which are still ongoing, a Special Investigator was called up to understand the happenings of it and concluded that they did interfere, Russia has a long and ongoing history of attempting this in other countries, they bragged about that this type of thing was going to happen years ago, etc etc. 

You can look at just that set of data and conclude that I've got Russiagate-syndrome, but I can easily look at you disregarding all this as your own love for a fake strongman of a President and someone who doesn't care that bad actors are meddling with us. If others followed my path and I'm wrong, nothing really would happen. However, if you are wrong and we follow your path, we are in huge trouble as a country. 

Claiming the Russian interference had enough of an impact to change the outcome of the election is easier to make than claiming the interference had little to no influence.  

Neither claims are provable and should be treated as such.

What we have is the Mueller Report and few more thousand pages of documents detailing the interference.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23356]

34 minutes ago, Dbeasy said:

Can someone point me to a simple succinct list that summarizes the main evidence from the Mueller report that Mueller highlighted that implicates Trump in crimes that the Attorney General was supposed to have reviewed for possible action? I can’t find a simple summary.

You know the whole Mueller Report is a summary right?  

The Mueller Report is based on approximately 1000 times its size in evidence and testimony. 

[FondrenRoad 4378]

1 minute ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Claiming the Russian interference had enough of an impact to change the outcome of the election is easier to make than claiming the interference had little to no influence.  

Neither claims are provable and should be treated as such.

What we have is the Mueller Report and few more thousand pages of documents detailing the interference.

Fox News had the biggest influence and was widely disseminating the same opinions and information as the Russians. I don't know that the Russians made much of a difference given the mountain of disinformation Fox had already created. 

I think Fox is also a bigger problem than Russia if we want to continue our experiment as a Republic. Just because selling hate, fear, and lies to old people can be profitable, it doesn't mean that it should be done. 

[RomaVicta 29784]

55 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

He talks about the hagiafication of Robert Mueller, and the different ways that people may psychologically respond when the savior figure doesn't deliver.

I may read the article when I have time. This part stands out because it indeed reflects simplistic good guy-bad guy way to which we Americans have been conditioned to view every conflict. 

Decades ago I read an article in Atlantic that explained why Americans can't get their heads around the MidEast conflict. Not only does it defy good vs evil labeling in a snapshot; the conflict and our disposition towards the opponents shift rapidly.

We love Saddam, he's killing Iranians! We hate Saddam, he's a tyrant! We sorta told Saddam we didn't care if he grabbed the disputed oilfields of Kuwait. Then we sent an American army to restore a king instead of a tyrant. Our foreign policy is usually characterized by me as stupid and violent.

With Mueller, he was the brave Marine of Vietnam, a straight shooter, the guy you want in the street facing down the villain. Then, well, he is a GOP, ya know, so he won't be as vindictive as we'd like. He's actually all of those things and none of them are de facto bad.

Politicians play to this false dichotomy. Trump carries it to the extreme. Enemies of the state. A room full of prosecutors is a band of angry Dems (what a hoot!). Dems want to take your guns, unlock your doors, and shove in bad hombres from down south. The hate engine that gave us Trump exploited our simple minded tendency to view everything as good versus evil.

GOPS voters believe they are in a jihad against the liberal enemies of the state. Conservatives used to buy into part of that as pragmatism for policies they (errantly) believed would be executed by the party. For GOPS it's extreme hagiafication of whoever leads them and extreme demonization of whoever opposes their party.

Lot's of paragraphs to say that the electorate is the problem and we're screwed.

[elguapo 4583]

 
 
This is an interesting piece. He goes into a short analysis of the psychology of Trump, a traumatized individual, why his election resulted in a genuine hurt and upset, and why drawing off the energy of that emotional upset to external influences is a defense mechanism to avoid dealing with the core problems that his election represents.  He discusses the need to think critically and avoid historical amnesia when assessing information and media. He talks about the hagiafication of Robert Mueller, and the different ways that people may psychologically respond when the savior figure doesn't deliver. One of the psychological defense mechanisms very accurately describes some of the posts offering analysis of Mueller's role post report submission over the last couple pages. He comes from a far left perspective politically, and I think that everybody is going to find things that they don't agree with in there, but if you are willing to sit through a couple parts that you will not like, no matter what your political perspective, there are worse ways to spend 30 minutes.

This is fucking stupid. Most of us just want to know whether or not POTUS is compromised by Putin.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23356]

Just now, FondrenRoad said:

Fox News had the biggest influence and was widely disseminating the same opinions and information as the Russians. I don't know that the Russians made much of a difference given the mountain of disinformation Fox had already created. 

I think Fox is also a bigger problem than Russia if we want to continue our experiment as a Republic. Just because selling hate, fear, and lies to old people can be profitable, it doesn't mean that it should be done. 

I’ve said this before but one big reason the GOP and Fox News want to act like the Russia stuff didn’t happen is because the Russians were using many of the same tactics and techniques the GOP/Fox News have been using for decades.

It took me a little while to realize this after studying the Russians.  Only after digging into to the Kremlin tactics was I able to easily spot how flagrantly our “conservative” media was using the same playbook.  The left does this too with people like Mensch, Greenwald, and Tracey.  

By exposing yourself to the Russian methods, you almost inoculated yourself from the domestic bad actors because they’re similar in their talking points and messaging.  

It’s easy to see why some people and platforms with enormous audiences cultivated over several years would want to pretend like the Russia stuff was a nothingburger and no one should look into it.  

[Hugo Stiglitz 23356]

14 minutes ago, elguapo said:

This is fucking stupid. Most of us just want to know whether or not POTUS is compromised by Putin.

I’ve can’t prove Trump is compromised by Putin but I can tell you he IS compromised.  Not by a foreign power necessarily but just naturally compromised. Maybe it’s his NPD and amorality but good leaders don’t normally fall in love with Kim Jung Un, help cover up the murder of a journalist, or trust KGB agents over American intelligence professionals. 

Bottom line is he is compromised.  

Also, if he is in fact verifiably compromised by Putin, that’s likely something our IC would keep secret and use to our advantage instead of publicly embarrassing ourselves by telling the world what everyone pretty much already knew.

Edited May 10, 2019 by Hugo Stiglitz

[Brandywine 1313]

I can’t wait until that lying orange face jerk leaves office and for the Reps to get some spine and start treating this Pres the way they treated Obama.

[Fozzz 152]

53 minutes ago, SmokeyTheBear said:

Based on what evidence? The public evidence shows a complete counter to what you say here. Obama was briefed prior to the election and then briefed the candidates, several other countries made sure to let our IC know about it, our IC (Trumps IC) launched investigations which are still ongoing, a Special Investigator was called up to understand the happenings of it and concluded that they did interfere, Russia has a long and ongoing history of attempting this in other countries, they bragged about that this type of thing was going to happen years ago, etc etc. 

You can look at just that set of data and conclude that I've got Russiagate-syndrome, but I can easily look at you disregarding all this as your own love for a fake strongman of a President and someone who doesn't care that bad actors are meddling with us. If others followed my path and I'm wrong, nothing really would happen. However, if you are wrong and we follow your path, we are in huge trouble as a country. 

What evidence is there of Russia's meddling having a substantial impact on the election?  

 

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The reports, from the University of Oxford’s Computational Propaganda Research Project and the firm New Knowledge, do provide the most thorough look at Russian social-media activity to date. With an abundance of data, charts, graphs, and tables, coupled with extensive qualitative analysis, the authors scrutinize the output of the Internet Research Agency (IRA) the Russian clickbait firm indicted by special counsel Robert Mueller in February 2018. On every significant metric, it is difficult to square the data with the dramatic conclusions that have been drawn.

• 2016 Election Content: The most glaring data point is how minimally Russian social-media activity pertained to the 2016 campaign. The New Knowledge report acknowledges that evaluating IRA content “purely based on whether it definitively swung the election is too narrow a focus,” as the “explicitly political content was a small percentage.” To be exact, just “11% of the total content” attributed to the IRA and 33 percent of user engagement with it “was related to the election.” The IRA’s posts “were minimally about the candidates,” with “roughly 6% of tweets, 18% of Instagram posts, and 7% of Facebook posts” having “mentioned Trump or Clinton by name.”

• Scale: The researchers claim that “the scale of [the Russian] operation was unprecedented,” but they base that conclusion on dubious figures. They repeat the widespread claim that Russian posts “reached 126 million people on Facebook,” which is in fact a spin on Facebook’s own guess. “Our best estimate,” Facebook’s Colin Stretch testified to Congress in October 2017, “is that approximately 126 million people may have been served one of these [IRA] stories at some time during the two year period” between 2015 and 2017. According to Stretch, posts generated by suspected Russian accounts showing up in Facebook’s News Feed amounted to “approximately 1 out of 23,000 pieces of content.”

• Spending: Also hurting the case that the Russians reached a large number of Americans is that they spent such a microscopic amount of money to do it. Oxford puts the IRA’s Facebook spending between 2015 and 2017 at just $73,711. As was previously known, about $46,000 was spent on Russian-linked Facebook ads before the 2016 election. That amounts to about 0.05 percent of the $81 million spent on Facebook ads by the Clinton and Trump campaigns combined. A recent disclosure by Google that Russian-linked accounts spent $4,700 on platforms in 2016 only underscores how minuscule that spending was. The researchers also claim that the IRA’s “manipulation of American political discourse had a budget that exceeded $25 million USD.” But that number is based on a widely repeated error that mistakes the IRA’s spending on US-related activities for its parent project’s overall global budget, including domestic social-media activity in Russia.

• Sophistication: Another reason to question the operation’s sophistication can be found by simply looking at its offerings. The IRA’s most shared pre-election Facebook post was a cartoon of a gun-wielding Yosemite Sam. Over on Instagram, the best-received image urged users to give it a “Like” if they believe in Jesus. The top IRA post on Facebook before the election to mention Hillary Clinton was a conspiratorial screed about voter fraud. It’s telling that those who are so certain Russian social-media posts affected the 2016 election never cite the posts that they think actually helped achieve that end. The actual content of those posts might explain why.

https://www.thenation.com/article/russiagate-elections-interference/

$73,000. lmao.  

[Anastasis 23395]

25 minutes ago, RomaVicta said:

I may read the article when I have time. This part stands out because it indeed reflects simplistic good guy-bad guy way to which we Americans have been conditioned to view every conflict. 

 

He addresses this precisely in those terms. Here is the video queued to this point:

 

[Fozzz 152]

14 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

I’ve can’t prove Trump is compromised by Putin but I can tell you he IS compromised.  

You can?  You have obtained this information through astrology or something?  Fluctuations in the Earth's magnetic field?

[SmokeyTheBear 5562]

18 minutes ago, Fozzz said:

What evidence is there of Russia's meddling having a substantial impact on the election?  

 

https://www.thenation.com/article/russiagate-elections-interference/

$73,000. lmao.  

None of this supports or refutes your assertion. I'm not saying that Russia switched votes and that Trump didn't win on his own, but they were meddling and I would like to know to what extent and how they did it so we can mitigate the impact in the future. Calling this all some delusional request blows my mind. Trump wouldn't have been in the cross hairs of the investigation if he just got out of the way the whole time. Instead he acted and is acting guilty. 

[triplehorn 2664]

24 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

He addresses this precisely in those terms. Here is the video queued to this point:

 

He may be able to speak in psychological terms, but in his opening comment, he demonstrated a lack of understanding between "collusion" and "conspiracy", which Mueller actually took pains to define at length and distinguish in his report.  Mueller did not determine there was no collusion, and the particular aspect of conspiracy he reported on was very narrow.  When you fuck up that grandly in your opening remarks, it's hard to recover.

On Trump's psychological trauma during development, he completely fails to account for spectrum character disorders that can stem from that which includes antisocial behavior.  There's a reason the personality disorders have been described as clusters, a recognition of having overlapping traits.  "Cluster B" is Borderline, Narcissistic, Antisocial.  However he may try to quantify the effect of the Russian attack, he completely ignores TrumpCo's approving and accepting Russian interference, then lying, gaslighting, and obstructing about it daily since pre-election days (criminal/antisocial behavior) which comprised Volume II of the Mueller report.

Re Mueller, he uses his own point about black and white to contradict himself.  The snippet of Mueller reporting what Powell reported about WMD, was simply Mueller reporting what Powell concluded, not what Mueller may have believed on a personal level.  Mueller was doing his job.  Re the Mueller report, he went to extraordinary lengths to address the complexity of matters, went to great lengths to define it, and withheld a black or white determination instead intending to have Congress take it up to deliberate.  He also draws conclusions about Mueller's findings and the effects on the collective psyche without any apparent sense of awareness of the gross, potentially criminal misrepresentation and manipulation of Mueller's findings by AG Bill Barr to Congress and the American public.

There are some things I definitely agree with about blood on US hands.  Overall I found his use of psychological concepts and jargon to be unhelpful for a general audience as it necessitates having an understanding of unconscious vs conscious processes, and considering he went there, his omissions around Trump antisocial traits and criminal behavior is glaring.

Edited May 10, 2019 by triplehorn

[GRHorn 105]

17 hours ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

These are actually very important questions. 

I said months ago the person most to watch was Rosenstein and something like, “the shit should hit the fan just after his last day.”

Tomorrow is Rod Rosenstein’s last day.  

What I didn’t see coming was Mueller outlasting Rosenstein at DOJ.

My new analysis is Mueller has unfinished business and it could be counterintelligence related. 

The important thing to remember is the biggest counterintelligence investigation in US history is likely still ongoing while Mueller is on the clock. 

Operation Crossfire Hurricane was how this whole thing got started and it probably hasn’t ended.  Also, pay attention to the intelligence committees in Congress. 

Thanks for posting another one of these. My favorite Hugo posts are the ones breaking down how this weekend (or whatever timeframe) could be really big, followed by some creative thinking. Then it ends up being nothing. Love it. 

 

Edited May 10, 2019 by GRHorn

[Fozzz 152]

6 minutes ago, SmokeyTheBear said:

None of this supports or refutes your assertion. I'm not saying that Russia switched votes and that Trump didn't win on his own, but they were meddling and I would like to know to what extent and how they did it so we can mitigate the impact in the future. Calling this all some delusional request blows my mind. Trump wouldn't have been in the cross hairs of the investigation if he just got out of the way the whole time. Instead he acted and is acting guilty. 

lol so evidence pertaining to the impact on the election by Russian meddling does not support or refute the assertion that the "material impact Russia's interference had on the 2016 election was rather minuscule and dwarfed by other events (such as Comey reopening the investigation)..."

[GRHorn 105]

43 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

I’ve can’t prove Trump is compromised by Putin but I can tell you he IS compromised.  Not by a foreign power necessarily but just naturally compromised. Maybe it’s his NPD and amorality but good leaders don’t normally fall in love with Kim Jung Un, help cover up the murder of a journalist, or trust KGB agents over American intelligence professionals. 

Bottom line is he is compromised.  

Also, if he is in fact verifiably compromised by Putin, that’s likely something our IC would keep secret and use to our advantage instead of publicly embarrassing ourselves by telling the world what everyone pretty much already knew  

Hugo af

[SmokeyTheBear 5562]

Duplicate post

Edited May 10, 2019 by SmokeyTheBear

[triplehorn 2664]

 

[Biff Tannen 45494]

11 minutes ago, GRHorn said:

Hugo af

Sigh.  Collusion was not found because it was not being looked for, but you know this and you are not debating in good faith.  Enjoy being on the wrong side of history.

[GRHorn 105]

3 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

Sigh.  Collusion was not found because it was not being looked for, but you know this and you are not debating in good faith.  Enjoy being on the wrong side of history.

For the sake of memes, collusion=coordination and conspiracy, but I appreciate the well, actually...

Edited May 10, 2019 by GRHorn

[SmokeyTheBear 5562]

30 minutes ago, Fozzz said:

lol so evidence pertaining to the impact on the election by Russian meddling does not support or refute the assertion that the "material impact Russia's interference had on the 2016 election was rather minuscule and dwarfed by other events (such as Comey reopening the investigation)..."

I cant find where that quote comes from and everything you have presented has been opinion pieces. Here is a Time article that goes counter to Nate Silvers ideas on how disorganized and small time Russia played this (http://time.com/5565991/russia-influence-2016-election/)

So, is your assertion that the majority of the international community would raise alerts to the President of the United States for a "rather minuscule" event? I just don't buy that. 

*Looking into the other link you provided more, Mate references two studies, that support that Russia had a large scale operation, and tries to tear them down due to his own perceived notion of what would be minuscule resourcing or not. Hackers use social engineering all the time because it gets amazing results for cheap or free. 

Edited May 10, 2019 by SmokeyTheBear

[Anastasis 23395]

35 minutes ago, triplehorn said:

On Trump's psychological trauma during development, he completely fails to account for spectrum character disorders that can stem from that which includes antisocial behavior. 

...

Overall I found his use of psychological concepts and jargon to be unhelpful for a general audience as it necessitates having an understanding of unconscious vs conscious processes, and considering he went there, his omissions around Trump antisocial traits and criminal behavior is glaring.

I don't think that a full deconstruction of Trump's psychopathology was the point of the discussion.  It was in fact a parenthetical.  The core point being made in that section of the discussion was that the election of trump was a traumatic and upsetting event to many people.  I am not sure that is really debatable.  Likewise, picking on collusion terminology misses the point completely. 

Edited May 10, 2019 by Anastasis

[triplehorn 2664]

30 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

I don't think that a full deconstruction of Trump's psychopathology was the point of the discussion.  It was in fact a parenthetical.  The core point being made in that section of the discussion was that the election of trump was a traumatic and upsetting event to many people.  I am not sure that is really debatable.  Likewise, picking on collusion terminology misses the point completely. 

He applies the election of trump being a traumatic and upsetting event to many people in an attempt characterize the public response to the Mueller report. 

Unfortunately, he completely mangled Mueller's findings, entirely neglects to consider the gross, potentially impeachable manipulation by AG Barr in the usurpation of conclusions and rollout of the report in shaping public response and subsequent backlash, and whiffs on the serial sociopathic conduct of Trump throughout all of it.  I'd argue that even without the election of Trump being traumatic, recent events and public backlash would be similar.

Other than that, yeah, spot on.

There's a reason public approval for impeachment of Trump increased 5% since mid-April, and it's not related to electoral trauma.

 

 

Edited May 10, 2019 by triplehorn

[RomaVicta 29784]

58 minutes ago, GRHorn said:

Hugo af

Your meme is the usual lie about the report. Negged.

[Anastasis 23395]

7 minutes ago, triplehorn said:

He applies the election of trump being a traumatic and upsetting event to many people in an attempt characterize the public response to the Mueller report. 

Unfortunately, he completely mangled Mueller's findings, entirely neglects to consider the gross, potentially impeachable manipulation by AG Barr in the usurpation of conclusions and rollout of the report in shaping public response and backlash, and whiffs on the serial sociopathic conduct of Trump throughout all of it.

 Other than that, yeah, spot on.

I am really not shocked that you totally miss the point of that discussion.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23356]

[TexEx15 17482]

As we continue to punch each other in the dick about collusion (report exonerates Trump here basically on the grounds of stupidity) and obstruction (report does not exonerate and for those with a brain paints a pretty clear road for Congress to make a decision and impeach), let’s not lose sight of the fact the President committed serious campaign finance violations, which alone should result in his impeachment.

We are not talking about run of the mill violations but rather a conspiracy to pay off porn stars and playmates to shut them up in the days leading up to the election about affairs with Donald Trump.  And if you don’t believe that had an effect on an election where Trump won an electoral victory by about 80,000 votes in the right places, well then you probably don’t believe there was any obstruction and you fall squarely in the category of someone that would vote for Trump even after he shoots someone on 5th Avenue. 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/12/01/donald-trump-will-be-president-thanks-to-80000-people-in-three-states/?utm_term=.eadcfce76d8a

Edited May 10, 2019 by TexEx15
Add link to article for Trumpkins that refuse to believe or can’t comprehend.

[triplehorn 2664]

19 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

I am really not shocked that you totally miss the point of that discussion.

I don't.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23356]

One of the funny (not funny) aspects of this was watching the Republicans and Trump bitch and moan about anti-Trump bias in the FBI every fucking day because two agents texted some mean things...

...and then... at the last minute...Trump and the Republicans install the most biased and strategically deceptive Attorney General to wave a magic wand and make the obstruction crimes “not crimes” in a four page memo to intentionally mislead the media and the American people to protect the President. 

Edited May 10, 2019 by Hugo Stiglitz

[henrygandorf 29176]

7 minutes ago, TexEx15 said:

As we continue to punch each other in the dick about collusion (report exonerates Trump here basically on the grounds of stupidity) and obstruction (report does not exonerate and for those with a brain paints a pretty clear road for Congress to make a decision and impeach), let’s not lose sight of the fact the President committed serious campaign finance violations, which alone should result in his impeachment.

We are not talking about run of the mill violations but rather a conspiracy to pay off porn stars and playmates to shut them up in the days leading up to the election about affairs with Donald Trump.  And if you don’t believe that had an effect on an election where Trump won an electoral victory by about 80,000 votes in the right places, well then you probably don’t believe there was any obstruction and you fall squarely in the category of someone that would vote for Trump even after he shoots someone on 5th Avenue. 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/12/01/donald-trump-will-be-president-thanks-to-80000-people-in-three-states/?utm_term=.eadcfce76d8a

what if he shoots himself on 5th avenue?

i would vote for the shit out of him.

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34 minutes ago, TexEx15 said:

As we continue to punch each other in the dick about collusion (report exonerates Trump here basically on the grounds of stupidity) and obstruction (report does not exonerate and for those with a brain paints a pretty clear road for Congress to make a decision and impeach), let’s not lose sight of the fact the President committed serious campaign finance violations, which alone should result in his impeachment.

We are not talking about run of the mill violations but rather a conspiracy to pay off porn stars and playmates to shut them up in the days leading up to the election about affairs with Donald Trump.  And if you don’t believe that had an effect on an election where Trump won an electoral victory by about 80,000 votes in the right places, well then you probably don’t believe there was any obstruction and you fall squarely in the category of someone that would vote for Trump even after he shoots someone on 5th Avenue. 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/12/01/donald-trump-will-be-president-thanks-to-80000-people-in-three-states/?utm_term=.eadcfce76d8a

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Donald Trump lied to his Republican base and thought they were so stupid they would believe it, according to Jared Kushner.

People like GR prove this to be true. 

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1 minute ago, 4th&Five said:

 

told y'all this yesterday.

 

the "all need is Mueller" crowd here was as wrong about that as they have been about the rest of this.

The Special Investigator, cannot NOT indict and then still testify derogatorily about American Citizens who are not under indictment.  There is NO advantage here for the Dems just as there was no advantage for the Dems to read the "less redacted" version of the report.

Neither the report nor Mueller can continue the collapsed sham narrative.

This thing is over and a whole lot of y'all owe huge apologies and you have energized Barr to come right after everyone that made this disgraceful blight upon our governmental processes going against all common sense.

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Fuck you are stupid.

[Dirk X West 772]

Yeah, holy shit.  Exactly how many fentanyl patches have you applied so far today, Ttom?

[notre dame joe 172]

5 hours ago, Fozzz said:

The material impact Russia's interference had on the 2016 election was rather miniscule and dwarfed by other events (such as Comey reopening the investigation), and indeed far less than the kind of interference we have had in Russia's and many other nations' elections.  Any normal person not infected with Russiagate-syndrome would not have the same kind of response as the infected in view of that context.  

Has anyone blamed the Russians for Hilary receiving more popular votes than Trump?

[TtomTerrific 200]

please refute anything that I posted above with facts.

you can't

you are doubling down on your destructive idiocy and are ensuring that Trump remains in office for another term, now with an AG who will come right at your bad actors with all of the force and weight of the Justice Department.

You can't get rid of Trump because, as abhorrent, as he is -  the two of you represent a much larger stain upon our republic who the majority of us doesn't want choosing who the most powerful person in the world is, ever again.

Fuck both of you and your usual addition of zero to the discussion but drive by personal attacks.

I can almost see your ANTIFA masks and your pussy limp wrists as I read your empty "I've run out of shit to say about how I have spent the last two years....so.....' you're stupid'"  as your predictable glowing screed becomes imminent.

YOU WERE WRONG!

You actually weren't wrong about Trump, because you never really believed any of this bullshit investigation had merit in the first place, you were wrong that you thought...to your fucking marrow... that this bullshit investigation would gain the requisite traction needed to reverse your butthurt from the 2016 election.  That ain't happenin'.   The nothing burger was just that and you fucking lose....again.

 

Take the loss, pussies

 

 (yes, I said it again -as repetitive juvenile fucking personal attacks seem to be the very fabric of this board now)

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2 minutes ago, TtomTerrific said:

please refute anything that I posted above with facts.

you can't

you are doubling down on your destructive idiocy and are ensuring that Trump remains in office for another term, now with an AG who will come right at your bad actors with all of the force and weight of the Justice Department.

You can't get rid of Trump because, as abhorent, as he is, the two of you represent a much larger stain upon our republic who the majority of us doesn't want choosing who the most powerful person in the world is, ever again.

Fuck both of you and your usual addition of zero to the discussion but drive by personal attacks.

I can almost see your ANTIFA masks and your pussy limp wrists as I read your empty "I've run out of shit to say about how I have spent the last two years....so.....' you're stupid'"  as your predictable glowing screed becomes imminent.

YOU WERE WRONG!

You actually weren't wrong about Trump, because you never really believed any of this bullshit investigation had merit in the first place, you were wrong that you thought...to your fucking marrow... that this bullshit investigation would gain the requisite traction needed to reverse you butthurt from the 2016 election.  That ain't happenin'.   The nothing burger was just that and you fucking lose....again.

 

Take the loss, pussies

 

 (yes, I said it again -as repetitive juvenile fucking personal attacks seem to be the very fabric of this board now)

the mueller report has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that he's going to get smoked in the 2020 election.  you know that, right?

russia didn't win it for him in 2016, and they won't lose it for him in 2020.  he's taking care of that all by himself.

have a good weekend.