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18 hours ago, triplehorn said:

------> Remember Rosneft stock sale and Steele Dossier ????? 

Found this on a random search.  I'm linking the guy because he created a sound thread that distills what Natasha Bertrand is highlighting.  Reading Bertrand's word choice, it's easy to miss.  Not sure how this wasn't picked up a couple weeks ago on a broader scale

NOT a one-off :

 

 

Don't let the "Notre Dame" troll distract you. This is a big fucking deal, which is why he is trying to change the topic. Russia has funded attacks on the United States, Britain, France, Italy and Austria at a minimum. Putin has waged an all-out assault on NATO and western democracies. This transcript is a smoking gun. 

The article describes an audio recording of them conspiring to illegally funnel $65 million to Italy's far right Lega party and Matteo Salvini, who the Russians describe as "Europe's Trump". Lega has made huge electoral gains in the last few years, going from a fringe party to the majority party in Italy, with 34.5% of the vote in the last election. The article and transcript of the meeting are damning.

The transcript describes how Russian oil companies Rosneft or Lukoil would launder money to fund the Italian far right political party, Lega, through Eni (Italian bank with a Moscow office). They discuss how to avoid triggering money laundering alerts and circumvent EU and Italian laws by using cutout companies. They talk of the exact types of fuel to be sold, when it will be sold, where it will be sold and that Lega needs the money in time for their next election. The Russians make clear that they are acting on behalf of Russian Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Kozak and Vladimir Pligin, a high up member of Putin's United Russia party. 

 

"The negotiation — which lasted for an hour and 15 minutes, interspersed with cigarette breaks and fueled by espressos — would involve a major Russian oil company selling at least 3 million metric tons of fuel over the course of a year to Italian oil company Eni for a value of around $1.5 billion. The buying and selling would be done through intermediaries, with the sellers applying a discounted rate to these transactions.

The discount would be worth around $65 million, based on fuel prices at the time, according to calculations provided to BuzzFeed News by industry analysts, and it is this money that would be secretly funneled to the Italian party via the intermediaries.

The participants were clear that the purpose of the deal and the discount mechanism at its heart was to support Lega, in particular its European election campaign.

“It’s very simple,” one of the two other Italian men said some 25 minutes into the meeting. “The planning made by our political guys was that given a 4% discount, 250,000 [metric tons] plus 250,000 per month per one year, they can sustain a campaign.”


Here's a link to the transcript of the meeting.

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/buzzfeednews/transcript-lega-russia-oil-deal-meeting

 

"RU2: We have Eni who will be on the Italian side, yes? We have Russian oil company on our side, and we have two companies in the middle. The bank, you are the bank, and one Russian company who will be, who will sign the contract with the bank...

...

IT2: Francesco says no problem to have a fourth company in between. The most important is that it is a well-known company, because otherwise we are going to have problems with KYC [Know Your Client] and AM…[Anti-Money Laundering rules]

RU1: What is criteria? Can we receive some criterias which we should fulfill?

IT2: Well, the best would be major to major and the bank in between. Right. The best would be major to major. Why? Because we make a purchase contract with Russian major, we make sale contract to Italian buyer, major, and this is going to be a back-to-back contract so clearly shown to everybody, maybe without the price but it’s clearly the contracts are linked. If we need another company in between, then we need to have need to have a, you know, reasonably well-known company. I make an example. If it is Lukoil selling, we would like to have Litasco. OK. Just to...

Or if it is…

RU2: Rosneft, for instance."

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11 hours ago, zork said:

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This is so far off that it doesn't really mean anything unless you're an idiot just looking ridicule without foundation. You may as well write the Mueller is a stupid idiot who wets his pants at recess.

This is offensively stupid.

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On 7/28/2019 at 2:27 PM, suddenly shaggy said:

Don't let the "Notre Dame" troll distract you. This is a big fucking deal, which is why he is trying to change the topic. Russia has funded attacks on the United States, Britain, France, Italy and Austria at a minimum. Putin has waged an all-out assault on NATO and western democracies. This transcript is a smoking gun. 

The article describes an audio recording of them conspiring to illegally funnel $65 million to Italy's far right Lega party and Matteo Salvini, who the Russians describe as "Europe's Trump". Lega has made huge electoral gains in the last few years, going from a fringe party to the majority party in Italy, with 34.5% of the vote in the last election. The article and transcript of the meeting are damning.

The transcript describes how Russian oil companies Rosneft or Lukoil would launder money to fund the Italian far right political party, Lega, through Eni (Italian bank with a Moscow office). They discuss how to avoid triggering money laundering alerts and circumvent EU and Italian laws by using cutout companies. They talk of the exact types of fuel to be sold, when it will be sold, where it will be sold and that Lega needs the money in time for their next election. The Russians make clear that they are acting on behalf of Russian Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Kozak and Vladimir Pligin, a high up member of Putin's United Russia party. 

 

"The negotiation — which lasted for an hour and 15 minutes, interspersed with cigarette breaks and fueled by espressos — would involve a major Russian oil company selling at least 3 million metric tons of fuel over the course of a year to Italian oil company Eni for a value of around $1.5 billion. The buying and selling would be done through intermediaries, with the sellers applying a discounted rate to these transactions.

The discount would be worth around $65 million, based on fuel prices at the time, according to calculations provided to BuzzFeed News by industry analysts, and it is this money that would be secretly funneled to the Italian party via the intermediaries.

The participants were clear that the purpose of the deal and the discount mechanism at its heart was to support Lega, in particular its European election campaign.

“It’s very simple,” one of the two other Italian men said some 25 minutes into the meeting. “The planning made by our political guys was that given a 4% discount, 250,000 [metric tons] plus 250,000 per month per one year, they can sustain a campaign.”


Here's a link to the transcript of the meeting.

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/buzzfeednews/transcript-lega-russia-oil-deal-meeting

 

"RU2: We have Eni who will be on the Italian side, yes? We have Russian oil company on our side, and we have two companies in the middle. The bank, you are the bank, and one Russian company who will be, who will sign the contract with the bank...

...

IT2: Francesco says no problem to have a fourth company in between. The most important is that it is a well-known company, because otherwise we are going to have problems with KYC [Know Your Client] and AM…[Anti-Money Laundering rules]

RU1: What is criteria? Can we receive some criterias which we should fulfill?

IT2: Well, the best would be major to major and the bank in between. Right. The best would be major to major. Why? Because we make a purchase contract with Russian major, we make sale contract to Italian buyer, major, and this is going to be a back-to-back contract so clearly shown to everybody, maybe without the price but it’s clearly the contracts are linked. If we need another company in between, then we need to have need to have a, you know, reasonably well-known company. I make an example. If it is Lukoil selling, we would like to have Litasco. OK. Just to...

Or if it is…

RU2: Rosneft, for instance."

"

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Zavala said:

holy shit that highlight reel of Mueller hope then cope

 

These three in a row are a perfect representation of why we are so fucked in this country. 

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lulz the Mueller investigation into Russian election interference didn't investigate the Steele dossier or Fusion GPS?

What if those were both Russian 'active measures'? Is Mueller complicit in pushing Russian propaganda? Or is Steele considered British?

 

 

 

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7 minutes ago, Zavala said:

lulz the Mueller investigation into Russian election interference didn't investigate the Steele dossier or Fusion GPS?

What if those were both Russian 'active measures'? Is Mueller complicit in pushing Russian propaganda? Or is Steele considered British?

 

 

 

omg you've broken the case wide open.

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39 minutes ago, Zavala said:

lulz the Mueller investigation into Russian election interference didn't investigate the Steele dossier or Fusion GPS?

 

 

 

 

Your lulz is inadvertently appropriate. He didn't investigate Democrats colluding with Russia either for some completely baffling reason.

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Pedophile George Nader, Don Jr., Erik Prince,  Joel Zamel, MBS, MBZ,

...Israeli Intelligence firm Psy-Group, Cambridge Analytica, Internet Research Agency, and a plan to elect a president.

This read from Zev Shalev means more now in retrospect:

Salvator Mundi 

-the most expensive painting ever sold going from a Trump-linked oligarch to Saudi’s MBS.

 

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19 minutes ago, notre dame joe said:

IF anything good comes out of a political argument on a sports board, it's that you can learn how you are perceived by people outside your radius.

In case it wasn't clear, we all think you're an idiot.

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So no, Trump's attacks on Cummings are not about rats in Baltimore, it's about this:

and about the fact that last week Cummings subpoenaed the personal emails of certain Trump family members

 

Electorate manipulation/lots of cash to benefit Trump/ Tom Barrack et al in exchange for nuclear tech to Saudi prince Bone Saws, regime change in Iran. 

Quid Pro Quo

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The Plot To Elect a President

Nader began his pitch. The Saudi and Emirati princes “were eager to help your father win election as president,” Nader said. He said Zamel’s Psy Group was particularly successful at social media manipulation and the two crown princes would bankroll a multi-million dollar plan drawn up by Zamel, to help elect his father president.

Psy-Group had figured out how to shift public sentiment by creating fake news, publishing it on fake news sites and then amplifying it through a network of some 5,000 fake social media accounts. The company’s side-hustle was providing services in the dark arts of honey-trapping, hacking and blackmail, for a fee.

Not surprisingly Don. Jr. “responded approvingly” to the pitch, according to the New York Times but he later claimed he turned down the offer. There are no contracts or invoices to prove the campaign was ever executed. Lawyers for both sides deny any campaign collaboration. Of course, if they had, it would have been illegal.

The Facts Don’t Concur

In reality, there is evidence Psy-Group carried out some work for the campaign. For one thing, the Trump Campaign’s main digital partner, Cambridge Analytica, didn’t have the tools to deliver the social media content the campaign constantly credits for its victory.

Cambridge Analytica’s raison d’etre was psychographic profiling using stolen Facebook data. Psy-Group brought to the table a fake news factory proven to sway minds.

CamAnalytica and Psy also appeared to let the cat out of the bag when, one month after Trump’s victory, they publicly announced they would partner on future campaigns together, including a joint pitch the U.S. State Department, but failed to explain how they were introduced to each other.

Sources also tell the Daily Beast contacts between Psy-Group and the Trump Campaign were far more extensive than first reported, involving at least two other members of Trump’s inner circle. Company founder Zamel also spoke to Trump officials about helping Saudi Arabia and regime change in Iran.

Psy-Group is based in Israel but it is registered in Cyprus and corporately aligns in off-shore holding databases with companies owned by Russian oligarchs and banks. Mueller has also taken a specific interest in Zamel, and his close relationship with two of Putin’s most powerful oligarchs, the aforementioned Oleg Deripaska and Dmitry Robolovlov.

In February, Mueller subpoenaed the Cypriot bank accounts of the Psy-Group and dispatched a team of investigators to Israel this Spring to interview Zamel. This clearly struck a nerve. Within a week, Psy-Group shuttered the entire operation.

And remember, George Nader is cooperating with the investigation and he was in on every conversation with Don, Jr., Zamel, Kushner and the two crown princes. Nader has already testified before a grand jury and acknowledged making a $2m payment to Zamel. Psy-Group almost certainly worked for the campaign, the question is how did they get paid?

 

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But Mueller is a crazy old angry Dem in bed with the intelligence community and literally in bed with Comey. He exonerated the president after his witch hunt which should be over because you don't get a do-over in presidential harassment. We should be investigating Mueller, Hillary, Cummins, and any other person instead of your favorite president.

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3 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

This Saudi Arabia nuclear scandal is arguably bigger than Iran-Contra and it's just another day in the Trump Administration. 

 

Yeah, I think it's pretty safe to say whenever his last day in office actually is he will be dodging lawsuits and the Feds for the rest of his life. 

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19 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

Selling nuclear technology to the people responsible for 9/11 sure is a funny way of putting America first.

It’s almost like trump wants to blow up the world. 

I think his dream is that when he’s laying on his deathbed the missiles start flying because trump can’t imagine the world without him in it. 

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3 minutes ago, Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand said:

Remember when one of the rationalizations for Drill, Baby, Drill was energy independence that would free us from having to deal with unsavory actors in the Middle East?

That was never a serious claim. I mean maybe it was by people like Sarah Palin, but not to people who know things.

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I think his dream is that when he’s laying on his deathbed the missiles start flying because trump can’t imagine the world without him in it. 

i too have a dream that involves trump laying on his deathbed. there’s only one missile flying though. 

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Remember that time Sarah Palin sat live with Simian Hairline Hannity and you could see Hannity's torso almost get sucked into his own clinching sphincter when Sarah went freestyle in telling how Alaska residents enjoy payments from collective bargaining rights to energy profits produced in state and how that's something she'd like to explore nationally? 

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So after watching “The Great Hack” and “Active Measures” one thing really stands out:

There has yet to be a very compelling nexus established between Cambridge Analytica, WikiLeaks, Facebook, the Russian troll farms, and the targeting involved in all four. 

If you’re Manafort, running Trump’s campaign, and you could sync up all these interference vectors for maximum damage, why wouldn’t you do it?  It seems hard to believe the Manafort/Trump campaign would only go halfway on their treachery when there’s a nuclear option just sitting there. 

However, there’s a lot of smoke connecting these operations:

— Manafort sharing swing state internal polling data with Kilimnick 

— The Cambridge Analytica whistleblower visiting Assange and Russia during the 2016 campaign.

–Roger Stone’s back channel communications with Assange 

—Rebeka Mercer, on behalf of Cambridge Analytica, reaching out to WikiLeaks offerings to catalog (weaponize) the stolen emails. 

—Russian oligarch Firtash bankrolling SCL group/Cambridge Analytica and his ties to Russian organized crime

 

 

There’s also a lot of information missing:

—the financials (It’s like no one wants to follow the money in law enforcement)

—details of Facebook’s targeting on a micro level.  (Who was targeting where with what? Was there overlap between the Trump campaign and the Russians among the targeting and messaging?)

—Roger Stone, Manafort, Gates, Flynn, and Cohen all criminally charged for lying (obstructing the investigation) about their Russia connections during the campaign.  All of these clowns have destroyed their own credibility.

—All the Russians involved are beyond the reach of US investigators and journalists, safely hiding in Russia.

 

One fear I had when I started looking into this stuff years ago was it could be so awful that a coverup might be erroneously justifiable because the truth could be too harmful to the public’s faith in American democracy.

 I had the same fear about the Russians hacking into state voting systems.  Like we’re supposed to believe they only got into the voter rolls but passed on the easy opportunity to alter vote counts because they’re such nice guys, those Russians.

I realize we will likely never get the full story and if we do, it will be decades from now.

SAD!

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19 hours ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

So after watching “The Great Hack” and “Active Measures” one thing really stands out:

There has yet to be a very compelling nexus established between Cambridge Analytica, WikiLeaks, Facebook, the Russian troll farms, and the targeting involved in all four. 

If you’re Manafort, running Trump’s campaign, and you could sync up all these interference vectors for maximum damage, why wouldn’t you do it?  It seems hard to believe the Manafort/Trump campaign would only go halfway on their treachery when there’s a nuclear option just sitting there. 

You're leaving out Israeli/ex-Isreali intelligence.

 

Zev Shalev touches on this in his article I linked above titled Salvator Mundi and again in his Jeffery Epstein piece Building Big Brother:

"Mossad For Hire

Israeli spies are renowned the world for their ability to run complex stealth operations which go undetected. As one former KGB spy told me: “A good secret service never leaves any tracks.” Now, that very skillset has entered the private sector, merged with big data operations, and is being commercialized.

Since 2009, Israel’s spy-tech sector has been booming, supported by the easy flow of capital ferried into Israel by Russian oligarchs. This includes start-ups like NSO, which makes the Pegasus spyware capable of hacking any phone; Black Cube a high tech private fixer; and Zamel’s Psy Group, a social media manipulation company.

These start-ups have influenced elections and politics around the world, including the 2016 U.S. election. Cambridge Analytica used Black Cube to set up honey traps. Harvey Weinstein hired Black Cube to discredit many of his accusers, and the company also tried to frame former Obama Administration figures.

Saudi Arabia uses NSO’s Pegasus hacking software to track dissidents. There is some reporting that Pegasus was used in the assassination of Washington Post columnist Jamal Khashoggi.

Israel has been exporting these services to despots and authoritarians around the globe. The high tech spy companies packed their advisory boards with former generals, heads of Mossad and politicians, creating a thin veneer of respectability.

Beneath the surface, questionable ethics, surveillance concerns, and dubious sources of funding have turned Israel’s spy-tech sector into a real threat to global security and balance of power.

According to Newsweek, the U.S. has identified Israeli espionage as a significant and growing threat in the U.S. going back to 2013. One former congressional staffer familiar with the classified material told Newsweek the situation was “terrifying”.

Israel’s spy-tech sector is funded by sanctioned Russian oligarchs and involved with dangerous criminals like Jeffrey Epstein and George Nader. Their services enable authoritarians and represent a serious risk to U.S.-Israeli relations. The sector requires serious investigation. Our very freedoms may depend on it.

 

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You're leaving out Israeli/ex-Isreali intelligence.

 

Zev Shalev touches on this in his article I linked above titled Salvator Mundi and again in his Jeffery Epstein piece Building Big Brother:

"Mossad For Hire

Israeli spies are renowned the world for their ability to run complex stealth operations which go undetected. As one former KGB spy told me: “A good secret service never leaves any tracks.” Now, that very skillset has entered the private sector, merged with big data operations, and is being commercialized.

Since 2009, Israel’s spy-tech sector has been booming, supported by the easy flow of capital ferried into Israel by Russian oligarchs. This includes start-ups like NSO, which makes the Pegasus spyware capable of hacking any phone; Black Cube a high tech private fixer; and Zamel’s Psy Group, a social media manipulation company.

These start-ups have influenced elections and politics around the world, including the 2016 U.S. election. Cambridge Analytica used Black Cube to set up honey traps. Harvey Weinstein hired Black Cube to discredit many of his accusers, and the company also tried to frame former Obama Administration figures.

Saudi Arabia uses NSO’s Pegasus hacking software to track dissidents. There is some reporting that Pegasus was used in the assassination of Washington Post columnist Jamal Khashoggi.

Israel has been exporting these services to despots and authoritarians around the globe. The high tech spy companies packed their advisory boards with former generals, heads of Mossad and politicians, creating a thin veneer of respectability.

Beneath the surface, questionable ethics, surveillance concerns, and dubious sources of funding have turned Israel’s spy-tech sector into a real threat to global security and balance of power.

According to Newsweek, the U.S. has identified Israeli espionage as a significant and growing threat in the U.S. going back to 2013. One former congressional staffer familiar with the classified material told Newsweek the situation was “terrifying”.

Israel’s spy-tech sector is funded by sanctioned Russian oligarchs and involved with dangerous criminals like Jeffrey Epstein and George Nader. Their services enable authoritarians and represent a serious risk to U.S.-Israeli relations. The sector requires serious investigation. Our very freedoms may depend on it.

 

Yeah, there’s also a good Saudi angle.

The more you dig, the more overwhelming the story becomes.  It’s not palatable or easily explainable to the public.  You have to drill down on a few of the most egregious aspects and paint a relatively simple narrative to get the public’s attention (like the Mueller Report).  

Otherwise the whole thing sounds like sci-fi fan-fiction, which it already kind of does, and people ain’t got time for that.  They will tune it out, which was the goal all a long for the bad actors. 

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