The Robert Mueller Investigation

[FondrenRoad 4378]

1 hour ago, hobbes2702 said:

Do people believe this shit? Lol

People do and that's why this country doesn't have much longer. Brisket is right but also wrong. He is right that the country is done, but it doesnt have to be bad everywhere. In the northeast, I think we will be better off. I think Texas will too because I think your shit state government is simply reactionary. The deep south will be fucked but fuck them. Theyll be better off after living through and ultimately rejecting the sharia state they think they desire. 

Edited June 16, 2018 by FondrenRoad

[SaucyJack 3518]

13 hours ago, Chooky said:

Just to be clear, upon detention, the Fourth Amendment will not apply to President Donald Trump's former Campaign Chief, Paul Manafort's butthole.  

tree am, involuntary manafort butthole check

[SKJ 1317]

2 hours ago, Bama Chick said:

I agree about our pre-trial system but Manafort is not exactly the greatest poster child for the cause lol.

And maybe Dershowitz has been an advocate for this type of reform for decades and I just haven't read about it/seen him on TV discussing it but if he didn't give a shit about till now, I don't have time for that kind of nonsense.

 

3 hours ago, hobbes2702 said:

Our pre-trial bail system needs a serious overhaul but Manafort should have been sitting in a cell from day 1. If he isn’t the definition of a flight risk then I don’t know what is.

 

2 hours ago, Bama Chick said:

I agree about our pre-trial system but Manafort is not exactly the greatest poster child for the cause lol.

And maybe Dershowitz has been an advocate for this type of reform for decades and I just haven't read about it/seen him on TV discussing it but if he didn't give a shit about till now, I don't have time for that kind of nonsense.

I'm shocked they didn't deny him bail and then seize all his assets.

It's what they do to most people. Hell, they do it to almost all drug dealers. 

[Dbeasy 15533]

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Hugo
For some reason your twitter posts come across as links in Tapatalk instead of the actual tweet. Others who post are able to embed the actual tweet.

[Dbeasy 15533]

Hugo
For some reason your twitter posts come across as links in Tapatalk instead of the actual tweet. Others who post are able to embed the actual tweet.

Weird. When I reposted they show up.

[TwiceHorn 32014]

7 hours ago, Bama Chick said:

I agree about our pre-trial system but Manafort is not exactly the greatest poster child for the cause lol.

And maybe Dershowitz has been an advocate for this type of reform for decades and I just haven't read about it/seen him on TV discussing it but if he didn't give a shit about till now, I don't have time for that kind of nonsense.

He has, particularly the aspect of pretrial detention that concerns itself not with flight but with purported "dangerousness."  http://www.nybooks.com/articles/1969/03/13/on-preventive-detention/

Dershowitz may have gone a lil wonky here in his dotage, but the guy is a seriously talented defense lawyer and earnest civil libertarian.  He's a bit like the ACLU, an equal opportunity dickhead that you love to hate until he's on your side.

Edited June 16, 2018 by TwiceHorn

[BurntOrange&White 41706]

Isn’t that the same method that he terrorist used to communicate who did 9/11?

[Onboard 2.0 9083]

On 6/2/2018 at 3:55 PM, Grade of D as in David said:

What's going on in this picture?

 

Also why is FDR standing up?

Cause he was a damned polio poser ?

[Brian Fantana 6856]

I see Onboard has gone off the deep end.

[Onboard 2.0 9083]

On 6/2/2018 at 4:28 AM, jimmyjazz said:

Yeah, it seems almost every time I go to the Seychelles for a little R&R I end up running into a shitload of people I know, and usually some Russians, too.  It's frustrating.  I'm gonna have to pick somewhere more obscure and out of the way soon.

How about reality ?  You'll see the rest of us there.

[Gil Bang 26190]

Cause he was a damned polio poser ?

[Onboard 2.0 9083]

That was my immediate thought right there ^^^^^ well played.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

The picture matched with the headline was worth posting.

 

 

[triplehorn 2664]

here we go, been expecting this for a year:

 

A top Republican Senator was just named as Mueller probe’s latest target

"A high ranking Republican Senator just got revealed as a new suspect in Special Counsel Mueller’s probe of the Russian election attacks and into illegal Russian directed political cash donations.

Sen. Jim Risch (R-ID) is being investigated by Robert Mueller for accepting illegal straw donations from the American lobbyists whom Paul Manafort hired to influence policies of Ukraine’s government and the Party of Regions. Sen. Risch made headlines earlier this year for telling CNN that Russia should get a free pass for attacking the 2016 elections.

cont."

 

Spoiler

 

 

 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

In the original thread on the scat board, I predicted Risch would get nailed for campaign finance violations on page one.

[XYZ 2154]

5 hours ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

In the original thread on the scat board, I predicted Risch would get nailed for campaign finance violations on page one.

Do you never sleep?

[BurntOrange&White 41706]

Do you never sleep?

Not in his/her programming.

[brown water 3787]

Just now, Bevo VIII said:

Not in his/her programming.

it'z coding

[Bozo_Casanova 26780]

I see Onboard has gone off the deep end.

When was Onboard not off the deep end?

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

Oh look! More contacts with Russians that were previously denied.

MIAMI — One day in late May 2016, Roger Stone — the political dark sorcerer and longtime confidant of Donald Trump — slipped into his Jaguar and headed out to meet a man with a Make America Great Again hat and a viscous Russian accent.

The man, who called himself Henry Greenberg, offered damaging information about Hillary Clinton, Trump’s presumptive Democratic opponent in the upcoming presidential election, according to Stone who spoke about the previously unreported incident in interviews with The Washington Post. Greenberg, who did not reveal the information he claimed to possess, wanted Trump to pay $2 million for the political dirt, Stone said.

“You don’t understand Donald Trump,” Stone recalled saying before rejecting the offer at a restaurant in the Russian-expat magnet of Sunny Isles, Fla. “He doesn’t pay for anything.”

Later, Stone got a text message from Michael Caputo, a Trump campaign communications official who’d arranged the meeting after Greenberg had approached Caputo’s Russian-immigrant business partner.

“How crazy is the Russian?” Caputo wrote according to a text message reviewed by The Post. Noting that Greenberg wanted “big” money, Stone replied: “waste of time.”

Two years later, the brief sit-down in Florida has resurfaced as part of special counsel Robert S. Mueller III’s sprawling investigation of Russian interference in the 2016 presidential campaign, according to Caputo. Caputo said he was asked about the meeting by prosecutors during a sometimes-heated questioning session last month.

Stone and Caputo, who did not previously disclose the meeting to congressional investigators, now say they believe they were the targets of a setup by U.S. law enforcement officials hostile to Trump.

They cite records — independently examined by The Post — showing that the man who approached Stone is actually a Russian national who has claimed to work as an FBI informant.

Interviews and additional documents show that Greenberg has at times used the name Henry Oknyansky. Under that name, he claimed in a 2015 court filing related to his immigration status that he had provided information to the FBI for 17 years. He attached records showing that the government had granted him special permission to enter the United States because his presence represented a “significant public benefit.”

There is no evidence that Greenberg was working with the FBI in his interactions with Stone, and in his court filing, Greenberg said that he had stopped his FBI cooperation sometime after 2013.

Greenberg, in text messages with The Post, denied that he had been acting on the FBI’s behalf when he met with Stone.

[Tuco 5093]

The Nebraska GOP passed a resolution at their state convention which condemns Mueller investigation as “perversion of equal justice” and condemns any Republican who “gives it credence” as “notorious and unfit for office.”

Dems have their wedge issue.

[Onboard 2.0 9083]

54 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

When was Onboard not off the deep end?

Well, some people can handle the deep end. You stay in the shallow end with the other moms and kiddies.

Edited June 17, 2018 by Onboard 2.0

[Chooky 13340]

5 minutes ago, Onboard 2.0 said:

Well, some people can handle the deep end. You stay in the shallow end with the other moms and kiddies.

How does it take the length?

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

Abramson  thread on the Stone development 

 

 

Edited June 17, 2018 by Hugo Stiglitz

[TheStoicPaisano 9950]

7 hours ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

In the original thread on the scat board, I predicted Risch would get nailed for campaign finance violations on page one.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

If I were to redo this list from last year, I’d take off Paul Ryan, McConnell, Goodlatte, and McCarthy even though they’ve been complicit ever step of the way.

 

[MaybeACoordinator 8350]

25 minutes ago, TheStoicPaisano said:

Hugo love to gloat but he don't tell no lies

[jimmyjazz 46998]

Quote

MIAMI — One day in late May 2016, Roger Stone — the political dark sorcerer and longtime confidant of Donald Trump — slipped into his Jaguar and headed out to meet a man with a Make America Great Again hat and a viscous Russian accent.

I think this is a synonym for "thick" and not an actual misspelling of "vicious" but . . .

[Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand 13620]

36 minutes ago, TheStoicPaisano said:

Did you mean to post this?

[TwiceHorn 32014]

18 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

I think this is a synonym for "thick" and not an actual misspelling of "vicious" but . . .

Hit me kind of funny too.  Thixotropic or nah?

[Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand 13620]

Maybe he meant phat.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

Lovely...

 

 

[Gatorubet 30643]

1 hour ago, Tuco said:

The Nebraska GOP passed a resolution at their state convention which condemns Mueller investigation as “perversion of equal justice” and condemns any Republican who “gives it credence” as “notorious and unfit for office.”

Dems have their wedge issue.

 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

Tensions running high between these two on Twitter 

 

 

[texas08 1599]

Lovely...
 
 

Russia’s end goal is to break up the EU and cause civil war in America.

They were damned close, I still think we will survive all this and those fucking oligarchs will pay....once the EU is stabilized and Dotard is removed from office, those fucks will wish they would’ve never started shit. All their shit is gonna be frozen and no one will be able to do business with those fucks after they’re riddled with sanctions to cut them the fuck off for their fucking meddling.

Modern warfare, allies vs fucking Russia.

China stays neutral.

[Brian Fantana 6856]

33 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Tensions running high between these two on Twitter 

 

 

Who are either of those people

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

8 minutes ago, texas08 said:

China stays neutral.

China will continue to be it’s own worst enemy (but still ascending) if it keeps moving away from democratic reform.

I can’t imagine the economic powerhouse China would be if it became a free and open society.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

11 minutes ago, Brian Fantana said:

Who are either of those people

Caputo moved to Russia in 1994 after the fall of the Soviet Union, and was an adviser to Boris Yeltsin and helped elect Yeltsin to a second term as President of Russia. He worked for Gazprom Media in 2000 where he helped improve the image of Vladimir Putin in the U.S. He moved back to the U.S. and founded a public relations company, and then moved to Ukraineto work on a candidate's campaign for parliament.

Caputo worked as the campaign manager for Carl Paladino in his 2010 bid for Governor of New York. In 2016, Caputo joined the Donald Trump campaign, and was put in charge of communications for New York. He left the campaign after publicly voicing his approval for the replacement of campaign manager Corey Lewandowski with Paul Manafort. Caputo was investigated by the United States House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence as part of their investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 US presidential election; he denied [active] ties to Russia while working^[which?] on the Trump.

 

A longtime Republican consultant who has been harshly criticized by Donald J. Trump filed a multimillion-dollar lawsuit on Monday accusing him and his campaign manager, Corey Lewandowski, of making false statements that harmed her professionally and personally.

The consultant, Cheri Jacobus, accused Mr. Trump and Mr. Lewandowski of libeling her by depicting her as a disappointed job-seeker who turned on Mr. Trump after he declined to hire her.

When Ms. Jacobus criticized Mr. Trump on CNN in late January and early February, Mr. Trump branded her on Twitter as “a real dummy” who had “begged my people for a job.” Mr. Lewandowski described her in similar terms on television.

But in the legal filing, Ms. Jacobus claims those accusations were false and caused “enormous damage to her career and reputation, significant emotional distress” and held her up to “public ridicule.”

The jabs from the Trump camp prompted an onslaught of online abuse, according to the lawsuit and news reports. “The attacks by Trump’s followers were laced with sexual degradation and pornographic vulgarity,” the lawsuit states. It says of Ms. Jacobus, “She was depicted in numerous graphic illustrations as an appropriate victim for rape and sexual assault.”

https://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2016/04/18/republican-consultant-cheri-jacobus-files-libel-suit-against-donald-trump/

 

 

 

 

Edited June 17, 2018 by Hugo Stiglitz

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

Digging more into Caputo’s background, here’s the wiki write up of the candidate Caputo was campaign manager for in 2010.  This guy was a democrat prior to 2005.

 

Paladino ran for Governor of New York in the 2010 election. He pulled off an upset by winning the Republican primary over Rick Lazio, but lost in a landslide to Democrat Andrew Cuomo in the general election, 63% to 33%. Paladino's candidacy was supported by the Tea Party movement^[4] and residents in his native Western New York; his campaign platform emphasized fiscal reform and improvement of the state's educational system.^[5][6]

Paladino entered politics by being elected to the South Buffalo seat on the school board of Buffalo Public Schools in 2013, and he was reelected in 2016. In December 2016, the school board condemned as racist his remarks about President Barack Obama and First Lady Michelle Obama, and demanded his resignation.^[7] The New York State Education Department ousted him from the seat on August 17, 2017, following a public hearing, for publicly disclosing confidential information obtained in executive session.^[8]

 

 

E-mails

In April 2010, a local progressive Web site released a series of racist and sexually explicit e-mails that purported to be from Paladino. Paladino acknowledged some of them were indeed circulated by him among a circle of friends, mostly in the construction industry.^[89] Campaign manager Michael Caputo initially stated that the authenticity of some of the e-mails could not be verified^[90] and continues to maintain that the e-mails were "of questionable origin;"^[91] the site themselves could not identify the anonymous source of the e-mails and was only able to verify them through a series of cc: addresses included with the package of e-mails.^[92] Paladino acknowledged that some of the e-mails were authentic, but denied that he originated any of them, saying that he was nevertheless "somewhat careless" about forwarding them to others^[93]Paladino admitted many of these emails were "off-color" and could be considered offensive, took responsibility for them, and apologized.^[93]

Affair attacks

In a statement to Politico on September 29, 2010, Paladino asked why the media was concerned with any of his extramarital affairs, and not asking similar questions of Andrew Cuomo.^[94] New York Postcolumnist Fredric U. Dicker confronted Paladino at a meeting of the New York State Business Council later that evening and insisted that Paladino produce evidence about any accusations against Cuomo, but Paladino then alleged the Post had followed and photographed Paladino's daughter several days prior to the appearance, and demanded that Dicker not do it again or he would "take him out".^[95] Paladino later said he did not know of any actual affairs of Cuomo, and that the implication was not intended.^[96]

 

I see a pattern emerging 

Edited June 17, 2018 by Hugo Stiglitz

[Pods 7623]

I'd missed that FBI agents were leaking to Nunes in September 2016 about the emails on Weiner's laptop. Either those same agents were leaking to the press and Guliani, or Guliani and Nunes were the ones leaking it to the press. Nunes claims he had to keep this secret until recently, but Schiff has the same security level and he's supposed to inform him if it's not nefarious. 

http://thehill.com/homenews/sunday-talk-shows/392683-schiff-deeply-disturbing-that-nunes-received-fbi-information?__twitter_impression=true

There's some smoke here. 

 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

This may help explain why Nunes doesn’t currently have security clearance and has to use Gowdy to read the intel.

[Pods 7623]

4 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

This may help explain why Nunes doesn’t currently have security clearance and has to use Gowdy to read the intel.

Agreed. It's pretty obvious his clearance has been pulled at this point. He used to use his staff, now it's Gowdy. 

[JimmyJames 12271]

2 hours ago, texas08 said:

 

 

Russia’s end goal is to break up the EU and cause civil war in America.

They were damned close, I still think we will survive all this and those fucking oligarchs will pay....once the EU is stabilized and Dotard is removed from office, those fucks will wish they would’ve never started shit. All their shit is gonna be frozen and no one will be able to do business with those fucks after they’re riddled with sanctions to cut them the fuck off for their fucking meddling.

Modern warfare, allies vs fucking Russia.

China stays neutral.
 

 

 

I agree with this. Trump winning actually upset those plans. We were about to be subjected to a 4 year nonstop propaganda campaign of anti Hillary tweets and Facebook/Fox News propaganda with trump eventually taking the white House in 4 years with bought and paid for traitors in the GOP with a super majority in Congress. They would have been free to do whatever the fuck they wanted. 

Or maybe they just really suck at strategy and didn’t actually realize that and fucked up and wanted Dotus to win. If so they are idiots. 

Funny how things works out sometimes. 

[WhatTheBuck 28904]

So are Gowdy's public criticisms of Trump just cover for his back room shenanigans in order to protect him? That wouldn't surprise me at all. I've always thought he was a sleaze. I haven't come to a conclusion either way yet. 

[Pods 7623]

5 minutes ago, WhatTheBuck said:

So are Gowdy's public criticisms of Trump just cover for his back room shenanigans in order to protect him? That wouldn't surprise me at all. I've always thought he was a sleaze. I haven't come to a conclusion either way yet. 

I haven't either, but the public criticisms started right around the time that Nunes' staff stopped reading the intel instead of Nunes and Gowdy started reading it instead. Gowdy is a former prosecutor and I think he saw some sobering stuff that caused him to overcome his hyper partisan nature briefly and speak out . Given what he's read, I still think he's been very soft on the public criticism of Trump.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

Here’s my take on Gowdy:

He was a GOP team player POS that had no problem putting Hillary or trial for partisan bullshit but after learning the truth of what went down with Russia in the 2016 election, he saw the light.

He’s getting the fuck out because he wants no part of protecting Russia.  He will protect Trump up to a point because he’s head of the party but he’s not going betray his country or the truth.

[Pods 7623]

4 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Here’s my take on Gowdy:

He was a GOP team player POS that had no problem putting Hillary or trial for partisan bullshit but after learning the truth of what went down with Russia in the 2016 election, he saw the light.

He’s getting the fuck out because he wants no part of protecting Russia.  He will protect Trump up to a point because he’s head of the party but he’s not going betray his country or the truth.

Agreed on all counts. He's also not going to overly criticize Trump or his party to protect his country or the truth though either. He's going to GTFO like a coward, rather than fight for what he supposedly believes in. 

[Pods 7623]

6 hours ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Oh look! More contacts with Russians that were previously denied.

MIAMI — One day in late May 2016, Roger Stone — the political dark sorcerer and longtime confidant of Donald Trump — slipped into his Jaguar and headed out to meet a man with a Make America Great Again hat and a viscous Russian accent.

The man, who called himself Henry Greenberg, offered damaging information about Hillary Clinton, Trump’s presumptive Democratic opponent in the upcoming presidential election, according to Stone who spoke about the previously unreported incident in interviews with The Washington Post. Greenberg, who did not reveal the information he claimed to possess, wanted Trump to pay $2 million for the political dirt, Stone said.

“You don’t understand Donald Trump,” Stone recalled saying before rejecting the offer at a restaurant in the Russian-expat magnet of Sunny Isles, Fla. “He doesn’t pay for anything.”

Later, Stone got a text message from Michael Caputo, a Trump campaign communications official who’d arranged the meeting after Greenberg had approached Caputo’s Russian-immigrant business partner.

“How crazy is the Russian?” Caputo wrote according to a text message reviewed by The Post. Noting that Greenberg wanted “big” money, Stone replied: “waste of time.”

Two years later, the brief sit-down in Florida has resurfaced as part of special counsel Robert S. Mueller III’s sprawling investigation of Russian interference in the 2016 presidential campaign, according to Caputo. Caputo said he was asked about the meeting by prosecutors during a sometimes-heated questioning session last month.

Stone and Caputo, who did not previously disclose the meeting to congressional investigators, now say they believe they were the targets of a setup by U.S. law enforcement officials hostile to Trump.

They cite records — independently examined by The Post — showing that the man who approached Stone is actually a Russian national who has claimed to work as an FBI informant.

Interviews and additional documents show that Greenberg has at times used the name Henry Oknyansky. Under that name, he claimed in a 2015 court filing related to his immigration status that he had provided information to the FBI for 17 years. He attached records showing that the government had granted him special permission to enter the United States because his presence represented a “significant public benefit.”

There is no evidence that Greenberg was working with the FBI in his interactions with Stone, and in his court filing, Greenberg said that he had stopped his FBI cooperation sometime after 2013.

Greenberg, in text messages with The Post, denied that he had been acting on the FBI’s behalf when he met with Stone.

Shocker, Michael Caputo is probably lying about just meeting Greenberg when he referred him to Stone and they are both lying about being set-up.

 

Edited June 17, 2018 by Pods

[Chooky 13340]

It will be a real bummer for the Tump 'Ol Party if even one Democrat gets revealed to be tangled up in this investigation. That would render their victimization card completely useless.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

15 minutes ago, Pods said:

He's also not going to overly criticize Trump or his party to protect his country or the truth though either. He's going to GTFO like a coward, rather than fight for what he supposedly believes in. 

I don’t see it that way.  You have to put yourself in his shoes and see it from his perspective.  

First, he represents the voters of his home district and their interests.  They’re probably very Trumpy by now.  He can’t betray them either.

Second, like Flake, he couldn’t run an honest campaign and win. There’s just no way.  He’s rejecting Trumpism.  He can probably be more effective at tackling that problem outside of government.  Look at how influential the people that got the fuck out have become.  Sally Yates, Comey, Walter Shaub, Brennan.  Gowdy doesn’t have that luxury yet but he will.

Third, Gowdy is doing the correct thing by defending the Mueller investigation and trying to keep the public’s faith in it.  In other words, he’s your typical democrat in Congress right now.

Edited June 17, 2018 by Hugo Stiglitz