The Robert Mueller Investigation

[Captainant 27889]

3 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

Pecker has the pee pee tape.

lordy

[DiceHands 349]

7 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

Pecker has the pee pee tape.

It would have to be something on this level if he got full immunity.  

[Chad Fuck 17831]

Pecker has the pee pee tape.

I hadn’t considered this but Pecker is definitely in that business.

[SuingToGetAMessageBoard? 3861]

1 minute ago, Post Oak said:

I actually like to pretend that Mueller has had this thing wrapped up since May and spends all day playing Fortnite and reading Black Twitter

do you have a camera in my office?

[Post Oak 20312]

13 minutes ago, SuingToGetAMessageBoard? said:

With Pecker's apparent flip, Mueller might actually have this wrapped up and a report on the president's conduct by Sept 1.

I actually like to pretend that Mueller has had this thing wrapped up since May and spends all day playing Fortnite and reading Black Twitter

[SmokeyTheBear 5569]

Just now, Post Oak said:

I actually like to pretend that Mueller has had this thing wrapped up since May and spends all day playing Fortnite and reading Black Twitter

Mueller is a PUBG man

[triplehorn 2664]

4 minutes ago, DiceHands said:

It would have to be something on this level if he got full immunity.  

Trump's wildest wish is that it's tape of sexual proclivities.  That would be a sigh of relief.  It's not.

At the very least, Pecker is getting immunity for Trump conspiracy charges 

[SuingToGetAMessageBoard? 3861]

It seems to me it is just corroborating evidence of Cohen's.  My guess is that convicting someone who received the money of conspiracy to violate campaign finance laws is a lot harder than the person paying.  There was little risk of conviction, and little value in the testimony.  So this was a small trade of corroborating evidence for getting rid of a little risk.

Edited August 23, 2018 by SuingToGetAMessageBoard?

[SmokeyTheBear 5569]

Just now, Hornius Emeritus said:

 

How did you post this response before Post Oak posted his comment?

I'm not saying it's aliens but ... it's aliens.

Ive noticed that a few times in the past couple of weeks. Something happened when they performed a maintenance. 

[Hornius Emeritus 12495]

5 minutes ago, SuingToGetAMessageBoard? said:

do you have a camera in my office?

 

How did you post this response before Post Oak posted his comment?

I'm not saying it's aliens but ... it's aliens.

[Captainant 27889]

7 minutes ago, SmokeyTheBear said:

Mueller is a PUBG man

hell, I'd think he'd be more of a counterstrike kind of guy

[Dahobbs 17749]

8 minutes ago, Hornius Emeritus said:

 

How did you post this response before Post Oak posted his comment?

I'm not saying it's aliens but ... it's aliens.

Same way smokey posted his response to your comment apparently. 

[SuingToGetAMessageBoard? 3861]

10 minutes ago, Hornius Emeritus said:

 

How did you post this response before Post Oak posted his comment?

I'm not saying it's aliens but ... it's aliens.

i have a camera into his office and saw what he was typing.

 

every accusation is a confession.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

39 minutes ago, TornACL said:

Only one of them would have ghost written the intro to the acceptance speech, where the claim was made that this was the most exhaustive search by any president in history. 

Blinking red Trumpy superlative tell right there. 

Upon acceptance, literally the first thing that came out of Kavanaugh’s mouth was a lie.

He should never live that down.

[Gil Bang 26071]

 

[Brisketexan 105490]

 

Does Rudy even speak English anymore?

[retread 2951]

Pleading guilty to non-crimes. Someone should tell the judge.

[Buzzrock 15014]

Does Rudy even speak English anymore?

He can’t talk around them big ol choppers

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

6 minutes ago, Gil Bang said:

 

Apparently Rudy is going back to the deflection talking points of Summer 2017.  I’m wonder if we’re going to get the Uranium One defense soon. 

Edited August 23, 2018 by Hugo Stiglitz

[Chad Fuck 17831]

2 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Does Rudy even speak English anymore?

Only in between having mini-strokes.

[TwiceHorn 31653]

5 minutes ago, retread said:

Pleading guilty to non-crimes. Someone should tell the judge.

From a purely legal standpoint, it's quite feasible.  I believe the bank fraud charge he pled to carries the most weight, and therefore defines his sentencing range.

Also, I think the reality for just about anyone who pleads guilty is that the sentence is all that matters.

Edited August 23, 2018 by TwiceHorn

[conVINCEd 21474]

Rudy and Trump remind me of the 2 most coherent people at my grandfather’s Alzheimer’s care facility.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

Nothing changes the fact Trump conspired with his attorney and a media outlet to knowingly violate/circumvent campaign finance laws in order to cheat in an election.  

He then tried to cover it up by lying about it to the American people. 

Edited August 23, 2018 by Hugo Stiglitz

[Buzzrock 15014]

I went back and looked through all the times a Special Prosecutor (now called Independent Counsel) has been used in US government history.

Ok I actually looked through about half of them and then I got kind of bored, but the trend seemed to be that the SP almost never finds enough evidence of the crime s/he is investigating for prosecution, or of s/he does it doesn’t stick.

However what s/he does often find is all sorts of other stuff. The classic case is Ken Starr investigating Whitewater and ending up with perjury for the President and convictions of 14 other people.

So my question is: should a SP just be full time job? Would it be good for the country if every administration knew there was a watchdog turning over rocks day and night? Or would it be unconstitutional without specific grounds for investigation?

It would defuse all the witch hunt stuff, and it would encourage administrations not to hire shitheads (and discourage shitheads from going to work for campaigns/administrations).

It’s probably a bad idea but it got me thinking.

[Buzzrock 15014]

Nothing changes the fact Trump conspired with his attorney and a media outlet to knowingly violate/circumvent campaign finance laws in order to cheat in an election.  
He then tried to cover it up by lying about it to the American people. 

The local radio legal analyst here said yesterday that there is a lot of debate in legal circles around whether or not those payments are actually campaign contributions. Who passes judgment on that?

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

2 minutes ago, Buzzrock said:

So my question is: should a SP just be full time job? Would it be good for the country if every administration knew there was a watchdog turning over rocks day and night? Or would it be unconstitutional without specific grounds for investigation?

Ironically, this is exactly why the FBI was set up 100 years ago.

However, over the years the FBI’s mission evolved to go after bank robbers, corporate criminals, spies, and terrorists.

Warren’s new anti-corruption legislation calls for developing a new permanent independent agency to investigate public corruption. 

Not the worst idea.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

4 minutes ago, Buzzrock said:

 

The local radio legal analyst here said yesterday that there is a lot of debate in legal circles around whether or not those payments are actually campaign contributions. Who passes judgment on that?

 

Cohen has said under oath those payments were made to directly influence the outcome of the election.

Therefore, campaign money. 

[Buzzrock 15014]

Cohen has said under oath those payments were made to directly influence the outcome of the election.
Therefore, campaign money. 

I know that’s your take. I’m asking who makes that official decision.

[SuingToGetAMessageBoard? 3861]

5 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Cohen has said under oath those payments were made to directly influence the outcome of the election.

Therefore, campaign money. 

the question is a little more nuanced than that.  he's asking if they were against the law.  not whether cohen thought it was "campaign money," or even another step removed, whether it is illegal.

 

and the answer to the question is:  it seems to facially fit the campaign finance law statute.  some future court in a motion to dismiss the indictment or the appellate court appealing the conviction would decide if they haven't already.  

 

edit to add:  the conviction/the indictment meaning some indictment/conviction on similar facts.  not cohen's, because of his voluntary plea

Edited August 23, 2018 by SuingToGetAMessageBoard?

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

At this point, what difference does it make? 

Seems to me this is along the same lines as “Collusion is not a crime.”

[DDD Dad 14365]

26 minutes ago, Buzzrock said:

I went back and looked through all the times a Special Prosecutor (now called Independent Counsel) has been used in US government history.

Ok I actually looked through about half of them and then I got kind of bored, but the trend seemed to be that the SP almost never finds enough evidence of the crime s/he is investigating for prosecution, or of s/he does it doesn’t stick.

However what s/he does often find is all sorts of other stuff. The classic case is Ken Starr investigating Whitewater and ending up with perjury for the President and convictions of 14 other people.

So my question is: should a SP just be full time job? Would it be good for the country if every administration knew there was a watchdog turning over rocks day and night? Or would it be unconstitutional without specific grounds for investigation?

It would defuse all the witch hunt stuff, and it would encourage administrations not to hire shitheads (and discourage shitheads from going to work for campaigns/administrations).

It’s probably a bad idea but it got me thinking.

1. No, actually now it is the special counsel, created by Justice Department regulations to replace the Independent Counsel Act that previously was in place (and which governed Ken Starr's investigation of Whitewater/Lewinsky).  Today's The Daily podcast from the NY Times actually spends the entire episode talking about how the current system came into being (from Watergate to Clinton to Trump).  The current practice was a correction from what was perceived as too much independence and not enough accountability of the special prosecutor to the people, so the special counsel now must report to the AG, who defines the scope of the counsel's authority.

2. To answer your question, no.  Not only no, but hell no.  I think it would be a terrible idea to install a full time special counsel, without even considering the constitutionality of such a position.

[LongestHorn 759]

1 hour ago, SuingToGetAMessageBoard? said:

With Pecker's apparent flip, Mueller might actually have this wrapped up and a report on the president's conduct by Sept 1.

How long has Mr. Pecker been inside Trump's inner circle?

[Anastasis 23473]

1 minute ago, LongestHorn said:

How long has Mr. Pecker been inside Trump's inner circle?

NEarly 20 long and hard years. 

[J.R. 150]

3 minutes ago, LongestHorn said:

How long has Mr. Pecker been inside Trump's inner circle?

wydt, i see it

[SuingToGetAMessageBoard? 3861]

6 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

At this point, what difference does it make? 

Seems to me this is along the same lines as “Collusion is not a crime.”

It matters if the conduct they can prove is against some criminal statute.  That’s what makes it criminal. 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

 

[Longhorn94 2458]

Rudy is not this stupid. I will not follow his stupid whataboutism. A candidate can not launder money through intermediaries in a deliberate and intentional attempt to thwart campaign finance laws for the purpose of influencing an election and defrauding the American electorate. It is a felony in and of itself and conspiring with others to do so is a felony that is punishable by longer prison sentences. 

[lemonlime 5503]

I feel like I'm taking crazy pills.  I know we've lost all sense of normalcy in the past year, but JFC, regardless of whether it was a crime, the president when he was a candidate paid off at least two women with whom he had affairs, while his wife was at home with their 3 month old baby, keeping the affairs hidden from the public in a successful effort to win the presidency.  But apparently republicans' moral barometer is just whether this conduct violated a criminal statute.  And if it did, then their moral barometer will go even lower.  Party of "family values" my ass.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

 

[Gil Bang 26071]

6 minutes ago, Longhorn94 said:

Rudy is not this stupid.

You haven't been paying much attention to Rudy lately, have you?

[David Dennison 18995]

6 minutes ago, lemonlime said:

I feel like I'm taking crazy pills.  I know we've lost all sense of normalcy in the past year, but JFC, regardless of whether it was a crime, the president when he was a candidate paid off at least two women with whom he had affairs, while his wife was at home with their 3 month old baby, keeping the affairs hidden from the public in a successful effort to win the presidency.  But apparently republicans' moral barometer is just whether this conduct violated a criminal statute.  And if it did, then their moral barometer will go even lower.  Party of "family values" my ass.

He knowingly broke campaign finance laws in an effort to defraud the American public to win an election.

And that's just one of the things he's done.

He should be removed from office.

[Biff Tannen 45761]

We are all taking crazy pills and have been for two years.  2018.  Nothing.  Matters.

[Jiggy-Z 3440]

3 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

He knowingly broke campaign finance laws in an effort to defraud the American public to win an election.

And that's just one of the things he's done.

He should be removed from office.

I have a feeling once more stuff comes out we will be comparing this to tan suits.

[lemonlime 5503]

2 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

He knowingly broke campaign finance laws in an effort to defraud the American public to win an election.

And that's just one of the things he's done.

He should be removed from office.

Regardless of whether he broke the law, he defrauded the American public to win an election.  And he did so to hide reprehensible behavior that was about to come out around the same time as the grab them by the pussy tape.  

[DDD Dad 14365]

Is anyone surprised by any of this?  Honestly.   

[Gil Bang 26071]

2 minutes ago, Jiggy-Z said:

I have a feeling once more stuff comes out we will be comparing this to tan suits.

Multiply tan suit by spicy mustard, and BOOM

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

[RomaVicta 30053]

2 hours ago, Hornius Emeritus said:

 

How did you post this response before Post Oak posted his comment?

I'm not saying it's aliens but ... it's aliens.

They made Future Man a moderator..

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[MaybeACoordinator 8350]

The same Trumpalos who have devouring and vomiting Pecker's Enquirer emissions all over Facebook and AOL email accounts since Obama's first term are now gonna say "Oh he runs a sleazy tabloid and has no credibility' once he starts to sing. 

Edited August 23, 2018 by MaybeACoordinator