The Robert Mueller Investigation

[TwiceHorn 31530]

3 hours ago, jimmyjazz said:

My first thought was "freedom of the press".  Are they arguing the press can release stolen information, or anybody?  Haven't had time to dig in.

EDIT:  Just read another post, which makes some sense.  It's the conspiracy to steal that's probably the bigger issue, not the release of the material itself.  (If I'm reading you right.)

Yeah I think that's right.  Freedom of press/speech concerns protect dissemination or publication of information that has a public interest connection, so it's hard/impossible to impose civil or criminal liability for mere dissemination of information, regardless of where/how obtained.  The First Amendment is not implicated by criminal acts in obtaining (stealing, hacking, burglarizing, etc.) to obtain the information.

 

In this particular context it's the DNC's (or others) civil suit for misappropriation of trade secrets where they are advancing that defense.  Brief here if anyone cares.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

How did this not make it in the thread?

 

 

Notice the now legendary white bearded gentleman with the “Team Putin” sign in the video.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

[TwiceHorn 31530]

3 hours ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

 

That is going to be tricky.  I wondered how that long delay and tying EDVa to DC would go over with Ellis.

[Ten Bears 2483]

5 hours ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

How did this not make it in the thread?

 

 

Notice the now legendary white bearded gentleman with the “Team Putin” sign in the video.

Who is that bearded man?  I can't find anything about his identity.

[HenryJames 66161]

 

[WhatTheBuck 28797]

3 minutes ago, HenryJames said:

 

And they obliged. At least they attempted to. 

[Anastasis 23481]

So Trump apparently gonna give written testimony.  About time one of my predictit positions paid off (fuck BK). 

[shnsajax 3591]

Seems important

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/emails-link-flynn-person-involved-gop-operatives-hunt/story?id=58416623&cid=clicksource_4380645_7_film_strip_icymi_hed

[David Dennison 18945]

17 hours ago, Anastasis said:

So Trump apparently gonna give written testimony.  About time one of my predictit positions paid off (fuck BK). 

That is such monumentally stupid idea on his part.

I am so glad he's doing it.

[hobbes2702 13056]

3 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

That is such monumentally stupid idea on his part.

I am so glad he's doing it.

You have to think that Mueller already has the answers. No way they would let him give written otherwise. Seems like an easy way to prove a lie.

[David Dennison 18945]

Just now, hobbes2702 said:

You have to think that Mueller already has the answers. No way they would let him give written otherwise. Seems like an easy way to prove a lie.

He's not going to ask a single question he doesn't already know the answer to.

Donald Trump has no idea what Mueller knows.

That's why this is so wonderfully dumb on Donald Trump's part.

[jimmyjazz 46103]

I'm not sure I prefer the idea of Trump providing written answers that will obviously be scrubbed by attorneys.  I'd much rather him sit and speak extemporaneously, which would lead to an unstoppable train of false information spewing from his mouth.

[kevwun 15856]

They will still lie about something and Mueller will have proof that they lied.

Edited October 12, 2018 by kevwun

[conVINCEd 21469]

Trump will never see these questions.  He’ll simply sign for whatever his lawyers decide are the best answers they can come up with.  It is complete horseshit that he is able to refuse to answer questions in person.  Subpoena him and let him fight it.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

9 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

I'm not sure I prefer the idea of Trump providing written answers that will obviously be scrubbed by attorneys.  I'd much rather him sit and speak extemporaneously, which would lead to an unstoppable train of false information spewing from his mouth.

The thing with Trump is if you let him keep talking and talking he will eventually tell you the truth and brag about it like an idiot.

Like the Lester Holt interview 

[Biff Tannen 45712]

2 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

The thing with Trump is if you let him keep talking and talking he will eventually tell you the truth and brag about it like an idiot.

Like the Lester Holt interview 

This is their concern dude.

[TwiceHorn 31530]

3 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

The thing with Trump is if you let him keep talking and talking he will eventually tell you the truth and brag about it like an idiot.

Like the Lester Holt interview 

I dunno.  He will lie a lot, and then contradict himself without telling the truth.  I've never seen anything quite like it.

The guy can't even stay on a self-serving message.

Edited October 12, 2018 by TwiceHorn

[David Dennison 18945]

15 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

I'm not sure I prefer the idea of Trump providing written answers that will obviously be scrubbed by attorneys.  I'd much rather him sit and speak extemporaneously, which would lead to an unstoppable train of false information spewing from his mouth.

This is true, but his attorneys don't know what Mueller knows, either.

I'm hoping some dumbassery gets out in the process.

There is no way his attorneys think this is a good idea.

[hayden_horn 11365]

1 hour ago, David Dennison said:

This is true, but his attorneys don't know what Mueller knows, either.

I'm hoping some dumbassery gets out in the process.

There is no way his attorneys think this is a good idea.

his attorneys themselves don't seem to be a good idea

[David Dennison 18945]

12 minutes ago, hayden_horn said:

his attorneys themselves don't seem to be a good idea

Touche.

[happyfunball 481]

2 hours ago, David Dennison said:

This is true, but his attorneys don't know what Mueller knows, either.

I'm hoping some dumbassery gets out in the process.

There is no way his attorneys think this is a good idea.

Hell, Trump's attorneys don't know what is truth or lies coming from Trump either. Hard to protect a client who is an idiot.

[Lagunamadre 1975]

Let me give you all a preview to every single answer. "I do not recall". 

[El Diablo 4232]

2 hours ago, jimmyjazz said:

I'm not sure I prefer the idea of Trump providing written answers that will obviously be scrubbed by attorneys.  I'd much rather him sit and speak extemporaneously, which would lead to an unstoppable train of false information spewing from his mouth.

The beauty of Trump is that he would continue to tell you the sky is green after you have both walked outside to confirm what color the sky actually is. I believe that he convinces himself, no, that's not right.. I believe he's a pathological liar. Or maybe just so arrogant that he just dgaf. I don't know...dude is just weird with the lying.

[Lagunamadre 1975]

3 minutes ago, El Diablo said:

The beauty of Trump is that he would continue to tell you the sky is green after you have both walked outside to confirm what color the sky actually is. I believe that he convinces himself, no, that's not right.. I believe he's a pathological liar. Or maybe just so arrogant that he just dgaf. I don't know...dude is just weird with the lying.

The question is though, if he actually believes the lies he is telling, is he actually lying.

 

[ruitxn 298]

Will someone notify Giuliani when the lawyers have answered all  of Muellar’s questions so he can come out of hiding.

[Ten Bears 2483]

36 minutes ago, Lagunamadre said:

The question is though, if he actually believes the lies he is telling, is he actually lying.

 

[El Diablo 4232]

37 minutes ago, Lagunamadre said:

The question is though, if he actually believes the lies he is telling, is he actually lying.

 

I don't know. Maybe if you catch him shortly after he tells the lie before he has a chance to think about it. Then again... maybe it's a matter of "Well, if I said it, it must be true" - is the internal conversation. I've known one person in my life who for certain was a pathological liar and it was weird. Nice enough guy but the whole just lying thing about just SHIT got a bit old. And he'd rather die than give an inch on whether it was a lie or not. Could be infuriating if you pursued it.

[triplehorn 2664]

36 minutes ago, Lagunamadre said:

The question is though, if he actually believes the lies he is telling, is he actually lying.

 

This question of interaction characterizes a big chunk of the prison population.  It's a perfect fit.

[TwiceHorn 31530]

1 hour ago, Lagunamadre said:

Let me give you all a preview to every single answer. "I do not recall". 

His lawyers wish he could be that disciplined.  But that would imply that he has a less-than-great, terrific, failing memory.  Also doesn't work in response to written questions.

[hayden_horn 11365]

13 minutes ago, El Diablo said:

I don't know. Maybe if you catch him shortly after he tells the lie before he has a chance to think about it. Then again... maybe it's a matter of "Well, if I said it, it must be true" - is the internal conversation. I've known one person in my life who for certain was a pathological liar and it was weird. Nice enough guy but the whole just lying thing about just SHIT got a bit old. And he'd rather die than give an inch on whether it was a lie or not. Could be infuriating if you pursued it.

And now he's a supreme court justice  

[El Diablo 4232]

2 minutes ago, hayden_horn said:

And now he's a supreme court justice  

It made for an uncomfortable confirmation process but maybe it won't interfere with his job performance.

[achooloco 1081]

7 hours ago, El Diablo said:

It made for an uncomfortable confirmation process but maybe it won't interfere with his job performance.

Maybe? Either he lied and did remember so he’s unfit to even be a judge next to Judy or he really didn’t remember and again he is unfit for having a shitastic memory. To be fair, there are a lot of olds on the court but they didn’t START OUT as clueless hacks. Plain and simple, kavenaugh lacks the testicular fortitude to be a justice. But that’s for another thread...

[triplehorn 2664]

bloop —> “an ongoing grand jury investigation” 

 

[triplehorn 2664]

^^^ Trump CFO Weisselberg granted immunity.

any guesses about the identity of the grand jury target(s) ?

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

2 hours ago, triplehorn said:

^^^ Trump CFO Weisselberg granted immunity.

any guesses about the identity of the grand jury target(s) ?

Eric Trump

Don Jr

Ivanka Trump

Donald J Trump

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

 

[shnsajax 3591]

56 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

 

Based on what tends to happen to former Russian assets I think I would almost prefer to wear the GPS.

[triplehorn 2664]

48 minutes ago, shnsajax said:

Based on what tends to happen to former Russian assets I think I would almost prefer to wear the GPS.

I had the exact same thought, but then realized if they're packing bone saws similar to the Khashoggi murder, won't make much difference.

On the flip side, Gates is Mueller flypaper.  

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

Micheal Cohen has spent 50+ hours with Mueller team and other federal prosecutors per Emily Jane Fox.

Perhaps they were just talking about the baseball playoffs?

[jimmyjazz 46103]

Cohen's flip to the D side is absurd.  It comes across as nothing more than grandstanding for Mueller.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

8 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

Cohen's flip to the D side is absurd.  It comes across as nothing more than grandstanding for Mueller.

I read it as trolling Trump.

[EuroHorn 3268]

39 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Micheal Cohen has spent 50+ hours with Mueller team and other federal prosecutors per Emily Jane Fox.

Perhaps they were just talking about the baseball playoffs?

Or maybe Bear Bryant is still alive and cooperating...

[jimmyjazz 46103]

1 minute ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

I read it as trolling Trump.

Or that.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

Scott Stedman putting Mrs. Papadopoulos’s shit on blast has been a glorious thing to watch on Twitter over the past few weeks. 

This guy fucks. 

 

[TwiceHorn 31530]

It's like picking on crippled children, though.  I guess she deserved it after being such a loudmouth.

[triplehorn 2664]

2 hours ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Micheal Cohen has spent 50+ hours with Mueller team and other federal prosecutors per Emily Jane Fox.

Perhaps they were just talking about the baseball playoffs?

Cohen's cooperation involves "multiple investigations."  At the end of the day, this is about going after Transnational Criminal Organizations.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

 

[triplehorn 2664]

This news went unnoticed yesterday amidst the DNA squabble:

DoJ re-centering efforts to take down Transnational Criminal Organizations, aka international mob:

The new task force directed by DAG Rod Rosenstein under purview of Sessions will be appointed to tackle these TCO's:

 The five on the streets:

•MS-13

•Cartel de Jalisco Nueva Generacion (CJNG)

•Sinaloa Cartel

•Clan del Golfo, and

•Lebanese Hezbollah.

 

---> Russian mob already has its own personal task force. 

Ultimately, they all do business together: narcotics, weapons/nukes, trafficking kids, prostitution, bribery and graft, money laundering etc.