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1 minute ago, atomheartbevo said:

He needs to rally his supporters.  

It’s a lot easier to rally your supporters around images of babies and families that were gassed to death, than to rally your supporters around your personal fixer who paid off a porn star. 

Trump’s base is Putin’s base.  They are anti-intervention/silly wars.

It will be a tough sell for Trump, regardless of dead baby pictures.

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As I understand it, Mueller went to Rosenstein and Rosenstein decided to hand this over to NY Southern District.

Emails, Tax documents, and Cohen's and Trump Org. business records were seized.

Communications between Trump and Cohen reportedly were also seized.  Who knows what else.
 

 

 

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1 minute ago, lemonlime said:

Trump and the Trump Org are Cohen's only clients.

It's highly unlikely this is a fishing expedition.  The standard for getting a search warrant into an attorney's files, never mind those of the president's attorney, is very high.  And the U.S. Attorney for the District would have to agree to the warrant meaning almost certainly a Trump appointee approved this warrant.

Multiple Trump appointees approved it, seeing as Rosenstein had to sign-off on Mueller's referral.

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Just now, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Trump’s base is Putin’s base.  They are anti-intervention/silly wars.

It will be a tough sell for Trump, regardless of dead baby pictures.

They are whatever Trump wants them to be. They have no moral compass or defined political views, it’s just whatever The Donald decides. 

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1 minute ago, atomheartbevo said:

They are whatever Trump wants them to be. They have no moral compass or defined political views, it’s just whatever The Donald decides. 

This.  Their only real principles are what Donald tells them they are.  And ultimately, so long as some ragheads or beaners suffer in the end, they're good.

 

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2 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

This.  Their only real principles are what Donald tells them they are.  And ultimately, so long as some ragheads or beaners suffer in the end, they're good.

 

The Russian influence operation is still strong.  It would be working against Trump for the first time.  I’m telling you, this might be the point where Putin and Trump really break up and start working against each other.  My money is on Putin, sadly.

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7 minutes ago, FWD said:

Multiple Trump appointees approved it, seeing as Rosenstein had to sign-off on Mueller's referral.

Have we reached the point where Trump starts seriously trying to fire people associated with the DOJ leadership?  Because he has got to be feeling a little heat. 

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2 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

The Russian influence operation is still strong.  It would be working against Trump for the first time.  I’m telling you, this might be the point where Putin and Trump really break up and start working against each other.  My money is on Putin, sadly.

You act as though Trump is thinking ahead.  He’s focused on whoever he is currently pissed at, and/or whatever Fox and Friends told him this morning, or may tell him tomorrow. 

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1 hour ago, Ghost of LL said:

I have to tell you--I'm powerfully uncomfortable with raiding lawyers' offices.  I recognize that in a lot of circumstances, the lawyer isn't acting as a lawyer, and so the materials aren't privileged.  But an investigator needs to be real circumspect about that kind of thing.

Yup. And I would imagine federal judges are just as uncomfortable with it so whatever was in the warrant application must have been pretty compelling.

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4 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

You act as though Trump is thinking ahead.  He’s focused on whoever he is currently pissed at, and/or whatever Fox and Friends told him this morning, or may tell him tomorrow. 

The direction Fox News goes on Syria will be telling.  

Do they beat the war drums with dead kid pictures? Or do they push to pull out of Syria?

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2 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

The direction Fox News goes on Syria will be telling.  

Do they beat the war drums with dead kid pictures? Or do they push to pull out of Syria?

They are running some small stories that are get-tough on Syria, but their big focus is on Cohen. At least on the website. Will be interesting to see how long they stay focused on Cohen.  

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So I just heard that they broke into the office of one of my personal attorneys, a good man and it's a disgraceful situation. It's a total witch-hunt. I've been saying it for a long time. I've wanted to keep it down. We've given I believe over a million pages worth of documents to the special counsel. They continue to just go forward and here we are talking about Syria, we're talking about a lot of serious things with the greatest fighting force ever and I have this witch-hunt constantly going on for over 12 months now and actually much more than that. You could say it was right after I won the nomination it started. And it's a disgrace, it's a real disgrace. It's an attack on our country in a true sense. It's an attack on what we all stand for so when I saw this and when I heard it, I heard it like you did, I said that is really now in a whole new level of unfairness. So this has been going on, I saw one of the reporters who is not necessarily a fan of mine, not necessarily very good to me, he said in effect that this is ridiculous, this is now getting ridiculous. They found no collusion whatsoever with Russia, the reason they found it is there was no collusion at all. No collusion. This is the most biased group of people, these people have the biggest conflicts of interest I've ever seen. Democrats all -- or just about all, either Democrats or a couple of Republicans that worked for president Obama. They're not looking at the other side. They're not looking at the Hillary Clinton horrible things that she did and all of the crimes that were committed. They're not looking at all of the things that happened that everybody is very angry about, I can tell you, from the Republican side and I think even the independent side. They only keep looking at us so they find no collusion and then they go from there and they say well, let's keep going and they raid an office of a personal attorney early in the morning and I think it's a disgrace. So we'll talk about it more but this is the most conflicted group of people I've ever seen. 

 

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21 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

 I’m telling you, this might be the point where Putin and Trump really break up and start working against each other.  My money is on Putin, sadly.

Putin's only care is grow discord and chaos and weaken America in the process. When he decides bringing down the US president is the right play, he'll fuck Donnie in the ass and piss on him when he's through. Putin doesn't give one fuck about Dotard, and probably still can't believe what an incompetent fucktard he managed to get in office.

 

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2 hours ago, Ghost of LL said:

I have to tell you--I'm powerfully uncomfortable with raiding lawyers' offices.  I recognize that in a lot of circumstances, the lawyer isn't acting as a lawyer, and so the materials aren't privileged.  But an investigator needs to be real circumspect about that kind of thing.

Yeah, the evidence of commission of a crime would have to go way past probable cause and probably sufficient to overcome the privilege by crime-fraud exception even before it's asserted and as to any material covered by the warrant.

I have a very healthy skepticism toward the FBI and US attorneys offices, but I have to believe that this aspect of it is being done correctly.

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5 minutes ago, Dutchrudder said:


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Something I'd love to see a reporter ask Trump Org about:
1) Cohen formed EC LLC on Oct 17 2016
2) The contract provided for EC LLC to pay Stormy $130K by Oct 27 2016
3) Between Oct 17 & Oct 25, the Trump campaign made payments to Trump Org properties that add up to $129,999.72.

 

Consecutive payments that added up to 129,999.72.

I can't find it now, but I read an article where they looked at whether any other payments from any other time period added up close to 130K. No other consecutive payments did and they had to cherry pick payments from the entire history of the campaign to get almost as close to 130K. They also calculated the odds that this could happen by chance and it's very low (~1 in 14,000).

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3 minutes ago, Aqua Buddha said:

If they moved money fro the Trump campaign to Trump's company to pay off Stormy Daniels, why did Cohen take out the HELOC on his house for $130K?  I thought that's where the money came from.

Maybe it was an attempt to launder the money from the trump campaign? We won't know until all this dust settles but it doesn't seem like totally baseless conjecture, especially with the new reporting that he's being investigated for bank fraud and campaign finance violations

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