The Robert Mueller Investigation

[David Dennison 18924]

1 minute ago, AtticusFinch said:

Oh right, it's to find the existence of a crime.  

Not that, either.

Maybe read Rod Rosenstein's letter.

Edited November 8, 2018 by David Dennison

[AtticusFinch 155]

Just now, David Dennison said:

Not that, either.

So Russian collusion isnt an issue related to Mueller and neither is finding criminal activity so what's the point then?

[Agent47 157]

10 minutes ago, WhatTheBuck said:

No it wouldn't. This isn't a game. The whole world is watching and we already look like idiots. Don't be fooled into thinking it's just another reality tv show. There are real world ramifications that result from the example set by America that can actually lead to matters of life and death. Donald Trump is the poster child for dictators everywhere.

Trump making Rudy AG would be almost as bad as when Dubya wanted to nominate his personal attorney Harriet Miers to the Supreme Court. (Kind of another way in which the Bush 43 presidency foreshadowed all of this.)

Every single person Trump ever appointed to anything is a joke. Every one of them. Harriet Miers is infinitely superior to every single Trumpkin ever.

I think Rudy would accidentally confess to everything in the Mueller report before it's released, that's all. 

The Trump world is filled with incompetent boobs, despicable meatheads and embarrassing goblins.

They are a clown car shit show fubar fuck house goat rodeo ass party face palm factory on stilts, with nukes.

 

[David Dennison 18924]

Just now, AtticusFinch said:

So Russian collusion isnt an issue related to Mueller and neither is finding criminal activity so what's the point then?

To "ensure a full and thorough investigation of the Russian government's efforts to interfere in the 2016 presidential election."

That may or may not include collusion or, more precisely, conspiracy on the part of Americans involved with the Trump campaign.

 

[Chrispy 132]

8 minutes ago, AtticusFinch said:

So Russian collusion isnt an issue related to Mueller and neither is finding criminal activity so what's the point then?

So the Democrats can avoid looking into the mirror. 

[Captainant 27680]

Yes, please regale us with your bargain bin conspiracy theories. 

[staboner 4984]

iz we winning?

[hobbes2702 13048]

13 minutes ago, AtticusFinch said:

So Russian collusion isnt an issue related to Mueller and neither is finding criminal activity so what's the point then?

[Longhorn_Fan68 33875]

Just now, staboner said:

iz we winning?

not even close

[TornACL 7718]

3 hours ago, Incredulity said:

So again is Trump, "The King" or incompetent, cheeto, moran, dotard, dipshit?

Is he the king of 4D political chess or a loudmouth jackass?

 

No fucking way the answer is both.

 

A moron who has been mired in lawsuits and investigations and shady business practices his whole life can, in a way, be both.

When you sue Donald Trump or otherwise investigate him, you're playing on his home turf. He's been dodging and weaving this shit his entire life.

[David Dennison 18924]

5 minutes ago, Chrispy said:

So the Democrats can avoid looking into the mirror. 

Well, you've blown every opportunity to hold the big bad Dems accountable. It's almost like that was never the point to begin with.

[Judge Roybeanbag 11819]

4 hours ago, sheeeit said:

Anastasis is being provocative?  You have referenced twice about these secret meetings that Sessions lied about and you know well that he did not deliberately lie about them and that the "meetings" to which you are referring to are total nothings.  

Sessions had 1 meeting with Kisylak in his senate office with his senate staff as well as 2 senior defense officials.  It certainly seems unlikely that Kisylak and Sessions colluded on the upcoming election in a meeting with 5 other people including 2 who had no direct connection to Sessions.  During that stretch Kisylak met with dozens of senators and Sessions met with dozens of foreign ambassadors.  And, as you also know, the FBI told Sessions he did not need to disclose meetings with foreign officials he met with in his capacity as a senator on his SF86.

The other 2 "meetings" were nothing more than PUBLIC appearances where Sessions and Kisylak both happened to be at and they exchanged "pleasantries".  Which, of course, is completely normal for the Russian Ambassador.

This is just so typical of the entire collusion angle.  There is nothing at all nefarious or immoral or illegal or unusual about Sessions "meetings" with Kisylak.  Nothing.  Yet people twist and turn it and the media fuels the speculation and suddenly Sessions is colluding with Russia.  

Hey dipsheeeit:

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Russia’s ambassador to Washington told his superiors in Moscow that he discussed campaign-related matters, including policy issues important to Moscow, with Jeff Sessions during the 2016 presidential race, contrary to public assertions by the embattled attorney general, according to current and former U.S. officials.

Ambassador Sergey Kislyak’s accounts of two conversations with Sessions — then a top foreign policy adviser to Republican candidate Donald Trump — were intercepted by U.S. spy agencies, which monitor the communications of senior Russian officials in the United States and in Russia. Sessions initially failed to disclose his contacts with Kislyak and then said that the meetings were not about the Trump campaign.

One U.S. official said that Sessions — who testified that he had no recollection of an April encounter — has provided “misleading” statements that are “contradicted by other evidence.” A former official said that the intelligence indicates that Sessions and Kislyak had “substantive” discussions on matters including Trump’s positions on Russia-related issues and prospects for U.S.-Russia relations in a Trump administration.

 

[Chrispy 132]

12 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

Well, you've blown every opportunity to hold the big bad Dems accountable. It's almost like that was never the point to begin with.

The Republican’s acquiescence on this issue is a total embarrassment. 

[triplehorn 2664]

13 minutes ago, Judge Roybeanbag said:

Hey dipsheeeit:

Russia’s ambassador to Washington told his superiors in Moscow that he discussed campaign-related matters, including policy issues important to Moscow, with Jeff Sessions during the 2016 presidential race, contrary to public assertions by the embattled attorney general, according to current and former U.S. officials.

Ambassador Sergey Kislyak’s accounts of two conversations with Sessions — then a top foreign policy adviser to Republican candidate Donald Trump — were intercepted by U.S. spy agencies, which monitor the communications of senior Russian officials in the United States and in Russia. Sessions initially failed to disclose his contacts with Kislyak and then said that the meetings were not about the Trump campaign.

One U.S. official said that Sessions — who testified that he had no recollection of an April encounter — has provided “misleading” statements that are “contradicted by other evidence.” A former official said that the intelligence indicates that Sessions and Kislyak had “substantive” discussions on matters including Trump’s positions on Russia-related issues and prospects for U.S.-Russia relations in a Trump administration.

^^^  quid pro quo - lifting Russia sanctions/Rosneft stock sale. 

Potential third unreported meeting between Sessions and Kisylak: Sessions attended the VIP party at the Mayflower Hotel Trump foreign policy speech where all the main players in the Rosneft stock sale/money shuffle were present in person.  nothing shocking.

[Captainant 27680]

2 minutes ago, triplehorn said:

^^^  quid pro quo - lifting Russia sanctions/Rosneft stock sale. 

Potential third unreported meeting between Sessions and Kisylak: Sessions attended the VIP party at the Mayflower Hotel Trump foreign policy speech where all the main players in the Rosneft stock sale/money shuffle were present in person.  nothing shocking.

Not to mention the trump mansion sale to the recently detained russian oligarch who bought a mansion for a significantly above market value that totally wasn't a money laundering scheme. 

[sheeeit 129]

19 minutes ago, Judge Roybeanbag said:

Hey dipsheeeit:

 

hey drunk.   From the same article:

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“Obviously I cannot comment on the reliability of what anonymous sources describe in a wholly uncorroborated intelligence intercept that the Washington Post has not seen and that has not been provided to me,” said a Justice Department spokeswoman, Sarah Isgur Flores, in a statement. She reasserted that Sessions did not discuss interference in the election.

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Russian and other foreign diplomats in Washington and elsewhere have been known, at times, to report false or misleading information to bolster their standing with their superiors or to confuse U.S. intelligence agencies.

 

[Biff Tannen 45691]

10 minutes ago, Chrispy said:

The Republican’s acquiescence on this issue is a total embarrassment. 

It's almost like they were conning their supporters the whole time, but that couldn't be.

[sheeeit 129]

6 minutes ago, triplehorn said:

^^^  quid pro quo - lifting Russia sanctions/Rosneft stock sale. 

Potential third unreported meeting between Sessions and Kisylak: Sessions attended the VIP party at the Mayflower Hotel Trump foreign policy speech where all the main players in the Rosneft stock sale/money shuffle were present in person.  nothing shocking.

I am very curious where you think these discussions happened?  Was it at the meeting in Sessions senate office with his staff and 2 defense dept members?  Was it at a reception in a room with 100 people?  Was it at a cocktail party?   Those seem like just perfect places to plan wide scale espionage and conspiracy.  

Rosneft?  You bring this up all of the time and you know it is ridiculous.  The rosneft partial sale was to Glencore and the Qatari govt.  It had been in the works for over a year before Trump even became a nominee.  By the time the supposed payoff to (I am not even sure who you think was paid)... supposedly happened, the deal was deep in the final stages of due diligence.  It is absolutely impossible that the attorneys and bankers for Glencore and the Qatari govt would let a sale that big go through if there was some state espionage connected to it, especially if the connection involved the US.  Glencore and Qatar are in the business of making money.  Yet, you want us to believe that they put billions of dollars on the line in a deal where russia was "bribing" the potus.  And if they got caught, the resulting sanctions against russia and then rosneft would devalue their investment to nearly nothing.  

I have never heard even one single legitimate source even speculate about the rosneft deal.  It was mentioned in the dossier.

You are a total and complete loon.

[kevwun 15799]

You still pretending the dossier isn't a reliable document?  Maybe you'll give up when the pee tape finally leaks.

Edited November 8, 2018 by kevwun

[sheeeit 129]

11 minutes ago, Captainant said:

Not to mention the trump mansion sale to the recently detained russian oligarch who bought a mansion for a significantly above market value that totally wasn't a money laundering scheme. 

Lulz.  Considering that the mansion was not actually bought above market considering that a mansion in the same community sold for a HIGHER price per foot than the one Trump owned earlier that year, your take is all fucked up.  Further, the estate has since been subdivided and the owner has sold 2 empty lots for over $70M and he still owns the main house and acreage.  You could actually argue Trump did not get enough for it.

By the way, all of this is public record.  It is the reason that no reputable journalist mentions it anymore because the whole thing was explained and debunked.

[kevwun 15799]

The public record is fake news.

[sheeeit 129]

3 minutes ago, kevwun said:

You still pretending the dossier isn't a reliable document?  Maybe you'll give up when the pee tape finally leaks.

If a pee tape leaks (pun intended) I will buy drinks for every one of you at the bar of your choice for an entire night.

[Chrispy 132]

19 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

It's almost like they were conning their supporters the whole time, but that couldn't be.

I’m used to politicians lying, that comes with the territory, but this is a spectacular failure by the Republicans. 

[Gil Bang 25975]

 

[kevwun 15799]

He's gonna bring it to the floor.  Then after some serious soul searching, he'll vote against it.

Edited November 8, 2018 by kevwun

[Anastasis 23477]

Jeffrey Fn Flake LOL. 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

Let’s not rush to judgement on Jeff Flake.

[Huckleberry 33006]

1 minute ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Let’s not rush to judgement on Jeff Flake.

Okay, now that's funny. At least you have some self-awareness.

[Red Five 40862]

If a pee tape leaks (pun intended) I will buy drinks for every one of you at the bar of your choice for an entire night.

Just adding myself to this.

[BurntOrange&White 39934]

Let’s not rush to judgement on Jeff Flake.

Something about fool me once twice blah blah blan

[Stilicho 1397]

30 minutes ago, Gil Bang said:

 

[Biff Tannen 45691]

Wait, when does the Senate convene?  I thought everyone was out of session until January?

[triplehorn 2664]

They're in session.  It's why Trump can't make a recess appt to replace Sessions.

[shnsajax 3591]

2 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

Wait, when does the Senate convene?  I thought everyone was out of session until January?

Nov 13th.

https://www.senate.gov/legislative/resources/pdf/2018_calendar.pdf

[triplehorn 2664]

^^^ I stand corrected. 

I read somewhere a recess appt coudn't be made at this time.  Maybe recess appts involve different conditions surrounding being out of session.  don't know.

[F250 28785]

56 minutes ago, kevwun said:

He's gonna bring it to the floor.  Then after some serious soul searching, he'll vote against it.

Actually, Donald will show up to perform a live Dirty Sanchez on Flake as a coup de grâce to Jeff's political career. Flake will then just stare into camera as a single tear rolls down his face and into the shit smear wiped across his upper lip.

 

[Anastasis 23477]

Just now, triplehorn said:

^^^ I stand corrected. 

I read somewhere a recess appt coudn't be made at this time.  Maybe recess appts involve different conditions surrounding being out of session.  don't know.

I think it would have to happen after Dec 14.

[triplehorn 2664]

 

[hobbes2702 13048]

2 hours ago, Chrispy said:

The Republican’s acquiescence on this issue is a total embarrassment. 

That damn Q keeps letting us down eh comrade

[retread 2951]

 

 

 

[horncyclist 1391]

47 minutes ago, triplehorn said:

 

What is this supposed to be about?

[triplehorn 2664]

No idea.  Rosenstein, through his personal atty, may be attempting to oppose Trumps end run on the DAG to name a hatchet man to be acting US AG instead.  The Sessions thread has a link to a piece on the federal vacancies act offering rationale for Whitaker’s appointment.  

If Whitaker can be named, perhaps there’s a finer matter related to DOJ guidelines around recusal where Rosenstein is advocating for his authority through the courts.  I’m Not a lawyer, obviously.  But this is likely linked to Whitaker/Mueller investigation.

[triplehorn 2664]

Flake and Corker could switch parties and vote through that Senate Judiciary Mueller protection bill that McConnell refuses to take to the floor.  ha, who am I kidding.

FFFFFlake

[retread 2951]

Still doesn't make sense why Sessions would resign. He was essentially fired, but he didn't make DOTUS actually fire him.

Seems like if you take all that abuse for a year and a half, you'd stick it out until Mueller finished. Sessions was keeping it all in equilibrium as long as he stuck in there.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

3 minutes ago, retread said:

Still doesn't make sense why Sessions would resign. He was essentially fired, but he didn't make DOTUS actually fire him.

Seems like if you take all that abuse for a year and a half, you'd stick it out until Mueller finished. Sessions was keeping it all in equilibrium as long as he stuck in there.

Because Sessions is still a team player.  Trump would have fired him if necessary but Sessions knew the forced resignation path would soften the blow politically. (Optics, GOP, all that shit).

Jeff Sessions is not Sally Yates. 

[triplehorn 2664]

10 minutes ago, retread said:

Still doesn't make sense why Sessions would resign. He was essentially fired, but he didn't make DOTUS actually fire him.

Seems like if you take all that abuse for a year and a half, you'd stick it out until Mueller finished. Sessions was keeping it all in equilibrium as long as he stuck in there.

It’s certainly possible Sessions’ role sticking it out for Mueller was completed.

[horncyclist 1391]

Happy Felony Friday! Junior indicted today? Roger Stone? Who you got?

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

Stone and Wikileaks if anyone 

[Ted Lange 16110]

14 hours ago, retread said:

 

 

 

 

 Moron

[kevwun 15799]

Susan Collins sounds deeply troubled.  I'm sure it will be a very hard decision for her to vote to confirm whatever sack of puss Trump nominates as AG.