The Robert Mueller Investigation

[Hornius Emeritus 12481]

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13 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

And that’s a big part of the reason that we’re toast. The GOP has succeeded in minimizing and normalizing a relentless and multi-layered criminal enterprise by the administration. That’s going to be our new normal after this. Once you go criminal banana republic, you don’t go back. The damage done to our institutions is irrevocable.

Yep. I'm not sure how you go from brazen and outlandish illegal activity back to light criminality that was the norm in DC before Trump.

[triplehorn 2664]

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Yep. I'm not sure how you go from brazen and outlandish illegal activity back to light criminality that was the norm in DC before Trump.

1) Lots of prison time for lots of folks

2) Reform

 

 

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^ I think we'll have to have congressmen/women (Rs and Ds) who are willing to throw others in their caucus overboard for illegal or unethical behavior. 

Edited December 13, 2018 by retread

[kevwun 15852]

Let the House pass it and then force the Republican Senators to approve it or have it used against them in 2020 on the campaign trail.  Not very easy to explain why you support corruption.  I have no doubt they will try, but that combined with the Trump weight around their necks will be too much to overcome.

[triplehorn 2664]

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^ I think we'll have to have congressmen/women (Rs and Ds) who are willing to throw others in their caucus overboard for illegal or unethical behavior. 

You mean like Sen. Franken ?

 

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[HenryJames 66157]

 

[kevwun 15852]

Goodbye NRA.

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4 minutes ago, triplehorn said:

You mean like Sen. Franken ?

I agree. The Ds showed good faith with that. I won't be holding my breath waiting for the Rs to reciprocate.

[Chad Fuck 17740]

2 minutes ago, kevwun said:

Goodbye NRA.

If only we were so lucky.

You know the magatrons don't care.

[ADHD 28]

If this can all end with the demise of the GOP, the NRA and FOX News, it would seem a masterplan.

But whose. 

[hayden_horn 11365]

6 minutes ago, kevwun said:

Goodbye NRA.

yeah, that nra money is going to bring down more than the nra, i reckon.

this, to me, is a bigger story than just trump. there's a reason so many congress critters ran for the hills.

[Pig Bellmont 8719]

2 minutes ago, hayden_horn said:

yeah, that nra money is going to bring down more than the nra, i reckon.

this, to me, is a bigger story than just trump. there's a reason so many congress critters ran for the hills.

Completely agree. Paul Ryan for example. People trying to get out before shit hits the fan and they are implicated 

[hayden_horn 11365]

Just now, Pig Bellmont said:

Completely agree. Paul Ryan for example. People trying to get out before shit hits the fan and they are implicated 

hint: it's the russians!

[Brian Fantana 6690]

22 minutes ago, HenryJames said:

 

Wait I thought @Fozzz assured us she was just a lobbyist

[yaqdum 182]

13 minutes ago, hayden_horn said:

yeah, that nra money is going to bring down more than the nra, i reckon.

this, to me, is a bigger story than just trump. there's a reason so many congress critters ran for the hills.

yes, and i bet there's a lot more roosky money flowing around this country than just in congress.  if i were an entity that took it, i'd be sweating right now.  that mueller bunch is on the hunt.

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[Yuk 1554]

 

[hayden_horn 11365]

oh, weird:

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The 2016 Bonanza

The NRA went big in 2016, breaking its own spending records to help catapult Donald Trump into the White House and protect Republican majorities in the House and Senate. The organization’s Federal Election Commission reports show that the nation’s preeminent gun-rights group spent at least $54.4 million boosting Republicans — with Donald Trump being, by far, the biggest beneficiary of that firepower, reaping $31.2 million in support.

The bulk of the NRA’s spending in 2016, $35.2 million, was channeled not through its political action committee, but through its 501(c)(4) nonprofit arm. It’s this section of the NRA — which doesn’t have to disclose its donors — whose finances are reported in the audit obtained by OpenSecrets.

Such nonprofits are not supposed to have politics as their primary purpose, but they can raise and spend unlimited funds from anonymous donors and easily spend millions on elections without much oversight from the IRS or the FEC. The fact that they can do so without disclosing their donors is why they are often referred to as “dark money” groups.

The NRA’s massive 2016 push was part of what ultimately became a $100 million spike in the group’s outlays between 2015 and 2016. But that spending wasn’t matched with similar growth in revenue, leaving the NRA with a deficit of more than $14.8 million.

This deficit is in what’s called “unrestricted” net assets, which are funds that are available to be spent at the discretion of a board.

A year later, with its chosen candidate in office, the NRA’s spending plummeted by $76 million, according to the audit.

wonder where all that 501(c)(4) money came from?

https://www.opensecrets.org/news/2018/09/nra-in-the-red-for-2nd-straight-year/

uh-huh.

[ADHD 28]

Bannon split town early on. That told me there was something to fear. And there is. There is a legit fear of Russia and treason, and the repercussions therein. Either prison or polonium.

RT is a bad connect.

[yaqdum 182]

you know, somebody else i'd like to see on this merry-go-round is r murdoch.  i'd like to see him go directly from news titan to noose tighten.

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Pence and Hannity are in my top 5 wish list of non-obvious Mueller/SDNY targets.

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[triplehorn 2664]

Butina pleads guilty to Conspiracy against the US and is a cooperating witness.  18 U.S.C. § 371.  Sound familiar ?

Step by step this is leading straight to Trump/GOP conspiring with Russia and their river of dirty cash to throw the election and bribe for foreign policy changes on demand. 

Follow the money.  The illicit paper trail will be as open and shut as it was for Manafort.  RUS ---> NRA (among other conduits) ---> Trump/GOP.

 

[Brisketexan 105256]

48 minutes ago, retread said:

^ I think we'll have to have congressmen/women (Rs and Ds) who are willing to throw others in their caucus overboard for illegal or unethical behavior. 

You mean to enable it/allow it?  I agree.  The level of commitment to protecting corruption and treason is impressive.

[ADHD 28]

RUS ---> NRA (among other conduits) ---> Trump/GOP -->RUS (among other conduits, like Saudi Arabia & Israel)

[ADHD 28]

= Treason.

[Ted Lange 16113]

18 minutes ago, hayden_horn said:

oh, weird:

wonder where all that 501(c)(4) money came from?

https://www.opensecrets.org/news/2018/09/nra-in-the-red-for-2nd-straight-year/

uh-huh.

Every Republican except Collins against.   Wonder why. 

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2 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

You mean to enable it/allow it?  I agree.  The level of commitment to protecting corruption and treason is impressive.

Yes. I do think the Rs are the heavy favorites to win the dirty politician count, and by a landslide.

Goes back to earlier discussions about how to return to normal and how to hit the reset button on criminality in DC. Somehow, both sides would have to come together and strive for major reform and major investigations. I'm afraid too many are heavily invested in covering up corruption for this to happen.

[yaqdum 182]

14 minutes ago, retread said:

Pence and Hannity are in my top 5 wish list of non-obvious Mueller/SDNY targets.

my assumption is that both are in the magazine.  it's murdoch who's being so quiet.  you can hear the marshmellows bubbling over the campfire.

[SmokeyTheBear 5562]

45 minutes ago, ADHD said:

If this can all end with the demise of the GOP, the NRA and FOX News, it would seem a masterplan.

But whose. 

Some Frankenstein of George Soros and Hillary Clinton obviously....

 

Edited December 13, 2018 by SmokeyTheBear

[Ted Lange 16113]

 

[ADHD 28]

The Russian took many selfies of themselves brandishing smocking guns.

There is so much corruption embedded in all this, where to begin? As soon as Mueller "wraps it up" new cimes will take place. There is so much crime and criminality to hunt for, but which hunt is the prime one. Idk .. which hunt do u choose?!!

Which hunt!??

[SmokeyTheBear 5562]

Just now, ADHD said:

The Russian took many selfies of themselves brandishing smocking guns.

There is so much corruption embedded in all this, where to begin? As soon as Mueller "wraps it up" new cimes will take place. There is so much crime and criminality to hunt for, but which hunt is the prime one. Idk .. which hunt do u choose?!!

Which hunt!??

[triplehorn 2664]

9 minutes ago, yaqdum said:

my assumption is that both are in the magazine.  it's murdoch who's being so quiet.  you can hear the marshmellows bubbling over the campfire.

Recall Fox News and Fox Politics stopped tweeting two days after Murdoch went to visit Mitch McConnell late after hours as soon as the Senate shut-down commenced in November.

VV

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[The Royal We 3072]

I was wondering about that - have they resumed their tweeting at this point?

[RomaVicta 29967]

21 hours ago, NBMisha said:

The last one I remember was n 76 or 78 when Prop 13, which froze property taxes at sale price was passed with a sizeable majority, against the campaign of then governor Jerry Brown.  When asked the next day if he would honor the vote, he said yes because "I don't learn fast but I learn real good".  Then I did a 180 and thought he was good.

I voted for him in the primary where his main issue was campaign and political reform. I think that was the year Clinton got the nomination. It was an interesting Dem field because all of the heavy hitters like Sam Nunn thought HW Bush would be unbeatable when his favorables hit the 90s after the first Iraq war.

A lot of bitter big time Dems missed their shot. Fuck 'em for being chicken.

[UncleCharlie 334]

Butina better be in a nuke proof bunker.  Russians don't like cooperation with prosecutors.

[WhatTheBuck 28797]

7 minutes ago, UncleCharlie said:

Butina better be in a nuke proof bunker.  Russians don't like cooperation with prosecutors.

But what does she know? And can she be trusted to tell everything she knows if she happens to know any high level intel (which I would guess is doubtful).

Feign cooperation, tell them trivial shit, do your time, your parents don't get killed, and you're rewarded when you get out of jail. 

[kevwun 15852]

The problem with that is Team Mueller is smart enough to know when they are being fed bullshit.  See Manafort, Paul.

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[Laga4 1270]

16 minutes ago, UncleCharlie said:

Butina better be in a nuke proof bunker.  Russians don't like cooperation with prosecutors.

The republicans won't either. 

[WhatTheBuck 28797]

30 minutes ago, RomaVicta said:

It was an interesting Dem field because all of the heavy hitters like Sam Nunn thought HW Bush would be unbeatable when his favorables hit the 90s after the first Iraq war.

Correction: During the Gulf War. His approval rating after the war fell when people noticed the economy was in the shitter. If he had sustained the war through the election then he would've won a second term.

Dubya made sure not to make the same mistake. 

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[hayden_horn 11365]

5 minutes ago, WhatTheBuck said:

But what does she know? And can she be trusted to tell everything she knows if she happens to know any high level intel (which I would guess is doubtful).

Feign cooperation, tell them trivial shit, do your time, your parents don't get killed, and you're rewarded when you get out of jail. 

read that twitter thread above. 

holy shit.

i've been saying that the nra is going to suffer here, but i think the republican party might completely implode. how much complicity is there? jesus christ, erickson HELPED her draft a statement back to the fucking russian government! 

she was all over the place.

remember yesterday when certain posters were trying to say she wasn't a spy in the strictest sense of the word? that distinction seems purely academic. she was clearly and intentionally an agent of the russian government trying to influence political actors in our country to further russian interests in return for russian money.

holy fuck, it's worse than i thought. 

[Fozzz 152]

The idiocy itt has spread to #shitlibtwitter.

 

Note how the second screenshot does nothing to counter the comments made by Aaron in the first screenshot.  The only thing Aaron is wrong about is that it technically wasn't a FARA charge, although what she was charged with criminalizes similar conduct.

[UncleCharlie 334]

11 minutes ago, WhatTheBuck said:

But what does she know? And can she be trusted to tell everything she knows if she happens to know any high level intel (which I would guess is doubtful).

Feign cooperation, tell them trivial shit, do your time, your parents don't get killed, and you're rewarded when you get out of jail. 

There was a reason Red Sparrow came out in early 2018...do you not even conspiracy theory bro?

[Born to Run 6569]

Correction: During the Gulf War. His approval rating after the war fell when people noticed the economy was in the shitter. If he had sustained the war through the election then he would've won a second term.
Dubya made sure not to make the same mistake. 

I recall SNL had a skit roughly called “who will be the democratic candidate to loose to Bush”

2 years is a long time in politics

[kevwun 15852]

3 minutes ago, Fozzz said:

The idiocy itt has spread to #shitlibtwitter.

 

Note how the second screenshot does nothing to counter the comments made by Aaron in the first screenshot.  The only thing Aaron is wrong about is that it technically wasn't a FARA charge, although what she was charged with criminalizes similar conduct.

You think it's fine for the Russian government to be funneling money through the NRA to Republican politicians?  Eventually it's going to come out that this was also to be in exchange for lifting sanctions.  Just wait.

[Dahobbs 17650]

5 minutes ago, Fozzz said:

The idiocy itt has spread to #shitlibtwitter.

 

Note how the second screenshot does nothing to counter the comments made by Aaron in the first screenshot.  The only thing Aaron is wrong about is that it technically wasn't a FARA charge, although what she was charged with criminalizes similar conduct.

This is still a stupid point. But keep being stupid if you want. 

[RomaVicta 29967]

10 minutes ago, WhatTheBuck said:

Correction: During the Gulf War. His approval rating after the war fell when people noticed the economy was in the shitter. If he had sustained the war through the election then he would've won a second term.

Dubya made sure not to make the same mistake. 

True. Thinking that was common knowledge, I refer to the time when politicians were deciding to run. At that moment, Bush seemed unbeatable.

I could have been clearer. Apologies.

[RomaVicta 29967]

3 minutes ago, Dahobbs said:

This is still a stupid point. But keep being stupid if you want. 

Yep. The quality of Fozz' sophistry is diminishing.

[yaqdum 182]

4 minutes ago, RomaVicta said:

Yep. The quality of Fozz' sophistry is diminishing.

hey, c'mon.  with no more than he has to stand on at some point it just becomes hey, look at me.

[yaqdum 182]

51 minutes ago, triplehorn said:

Recall Fox News and Fox Politics stopped tweeting two days after Murdoch went to visit Mitch McConnell late after hours as soon as the Senate shut-down commenced in November.

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you know, i had forgotten that.  good reminder.