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Just to make sure I have the alternative facts straight...  Our government -- but I'm guessing only the deep state part of it --- is now guilty of torturing a poor, naive Russian exchange student who

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liberals suddenly being terrified of Russia and manic for election integrity is just pure comedy gold.

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I don't believe for a moment that any of this is entertaining to you.  I think it gives you a bit of anxiety knowing that your best weapon against a group who you despise is a bumbling fraud as a busi

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Or maybe Mueller just found out about other criminal activity by Cohen and passed it on to the relevant authorities. Why does it have to be one or the other?

Why not both?

 

I do appreciate that Anastasis has finally dropped the charade of pretending to see things from both sides and fully embraced his inner-Swam over the past few months.

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The creep from omg russia to omg porn star payoffs is going to be awesome. I actually hope that Mueller has a play here on cracking privilege to get to something deeper, because the alternative is  going to be underwhelming. And that in itself if quite the statement on where we are.. 

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The FBI just raided Trump’s personal attorneys office. The only way that happens is they’ve got his attorney nailed dead to rights,  and possibly even Trump himself.  Otherwise no way it gets authorized. Methinks if it was just Cohen they wouldn’t have bothered with it.  Sends up way too many alarms to risk it. Ergo they’ve got trump somehow. The endgame is near.

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8 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

The creep from omg russia to omg porn star payoffs is going to be awesome. I actually hope that Mueller has a play here on cracking privilege to get to something deeper, because the alternative is  going to be underwhelming. 

Yea who cares about campaign finance laws. Of course that just ignores the fact that the Trump campaign was openly communicating with Russian intelligence and discussing sanctions with Kremlin lawyers.

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Steve Schmidt just compared DT and his org to a patient

who comes to a doctor complaining of stomach pains. 

The doctor does some tests and then tells the patient -- sorry, I found cancer -- EVERYWHERE. 

That's what's Mueller is discovering in his investigation -- the cancer of corruption EVERYWHERE.
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I echo what lots of folks here are saying. Some more thoughts...

Today's move was so bold that Mueller had to know that it would give Trump the strongest pretext to date for firing him. The FBI came in and seized the files, computers, etc. that are going to show where all the bodies are buried. He's been Trump's lawyer since at least 2011. That's another reason I think the end is nigh. Mueller wouldn't have pulled the trigger on this unless his work was 90%+ done and ready to hand over to the next guy. And yes, it was other FBI people that oversaw and operated these raids, but this was just Mueller being overly cautious. Also, it forces Trump to have to take on the entire FBI and can't focus on Mueller as a single target/bad apple. The more Trump has to allege that every person in the FBI is conspiring against him, the crazier he looks.

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40 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

The creep from omg russia to omg porn star payoffs is going to be awesome. I actually hope that Mueller has a play here on cracking privilege to get to something deeper, because the alternative is  going to be underwhelming. And that in itself if quite the statement on where we are.. 

Not a personal attack on you but your posting style strikes me as odd - I mention this because I don't think you're a troll...

 

  The bigger the bomb is that drops - Trump's personal atty getting raided by the FBI is a big fucking deal - the more chips you push in on 'wow, this really is a complete nothingburger'.  Or to be more accurate you state it as 'I sure hope this isn't the nothinburger it's looking like.' 

Maybe I missed some posts that explain that viewpoint?  

This is getting bad - nobody knows how it will truly end but it's currently on the same trajectory as Watergate.  In fact, I would argue there's a lot more smoke to a lot seedier business compared to watergate at this point (before shit hit the fan - IE the actual crawling through the damn window). 

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Not a personal attack on you but your posting style strikes me as odd - I mention this because I don't think you're a troll...

 

  The bigger the bomb is that drops - Trump's personal atty getting raided by the FBI is a big fucking deal - the more chips you push in on 'wow, this really is a complete nothingburger'.  Or to be more accurate you state it as 'I sure hope this isn't the nothinburger it's looking like.' 

Maybe I missed some posts that explain that viewpoint?  

This is getting bad - nobody knows how it will truly end but it's currently on the same trajectory as Watergate.  In fact, I would argue there's a lot more smoke to a lot seedier business compared to watergate at this point (before shit hit the fan - IE the actual crawling through the damn window). 

He constantly carries water while claiming not to.

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I would have to guess, because Mueller let the USA-SDNY handle this, that it is getting pretty far afield from the trumpcampaigncollusion mandate.

 

It may simply be criminal behavior by Trump, Trumpco and Cohen that precedes the election and campaign.

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Steve Schmidt just compared DT and his org to a patient

who comes to a doctor complaining of stomach pains. 

The doctor does some tests and then tells the patient -- sorry, I found cancer -- EVERYWHERE. 

That's what's Mueller is discovering in his investigation -- the cancer of corruption EVERYWHERE.
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As I understand it, Mueller went to Rosenstein and Rosenstein decided to hand this over to NY Southern District.

Emails, Tax documents, and Cohen's and Trump Org. business records were seized.

Communications between Trump and Cohen reportedly were also seized.  Who knows what else.
 

 

 

How is that legal?(bolded part)  Does attorney/client privilege not make that inadmissible and not eligible for examination?  (I'm not a lawyer)

McMasters, Clapper, and Comey lie under oath while performing FBI duties(reportedly) and are walking free while the Manafort and Flynn are wearing ankle bracelets at minimum for similar lies(over different topics).  Why the disparate treatment?  Are the thresholds for reasonable lawyers/judges different wrt ability to convict or indict(at minimum)?

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How is that legal?(bolded part)  Does attorney/client privilege not make that inadmissible and not eligible for examination?  (I'm not a lawyer)

McMasters, Clapper, and Comey lie under oath while performing FBI duties(reportedly) and are walking free while the Manafort and Flynn are wearing ankle bracelets at minimum for similar lies(over different topics).  Why the disparate treatment?  Are the thresholds for reasonable lawyers/judges different wrt ability to convict or indict(at minimum)?

Look up the crime fraud exception. Attorney client privilege is not a security blanket that grants immunity from prosecution or discovery in a criminal case. 

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6 minutes ago, zork said:

How is that legal?(bolded part)  Does attorney/client privilege not make that inadmissible and not eligible for examination?  (I'm not a lawyer)

McMasters, Clapper, and Comey lie under oath while performing FBI duties(reportedly) and are walking free while the Manafort and Flynn are wearing ankle bracelets at minimum for similar lies(over different topics).  Why the disparate treatment?  Are the thresholds for reasonable lawyers/judges different wrt ability to convict or indict(at minimum)?

negged you for repeating the same line of BS. Read up bubba. 

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negged you for repeating the same line of BS. Read up bubba. 

Why not give Cohen immunity in order to try and catch the bigger fish?

 

2 minutes ago, JimmyJames said:

I don’t know guys. Zork seems pretty concerned. 

I've been drinking today/tonight.  So I reacted.

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What possible reason would they have to give him immunity? They've got him by the short hairs. No one in their right mind would give someone immunity if you've got enough evidence on them already to convince the FBI, Mueller's investigators, the US Attorney for the Southern District of New York, a bunch of officials at the Justice Department and at least one judge to give you a search warrant to investigate an attorney's office within an extraordinarily powerful attorney's office (Squire, Patton and Boggs). 

Everyone involved with this case knows the implications with attorney/client privilege and that Cohen is DJT's personal attorney. Every detail of this is gong to be dissected by Hannity et. al and it needs to be done literally by the book. The FBI and SDNY will have had this on lockdown and way more evidence than they need to get a warrant like this.

No fucking way this is a fishing expedition. 

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What possible reason would they have to give him immunity? They've got him by the short hairs. No one in their right mind would give someone immunity if you've got enough evidence on them already to convince the FBI, Mueller's investigators, the US Attorney for the Southern District of New York, a bunch of officials at the Justice Department and at least one judge to give you a search warrant to investigate an attorney's office within an extraordinarily powerful attorney's office (Squire, Patton and Boggs). 

Everyone involved with this case knows the implications with attorney/client privilege and that Cohen is DJT's personal attorney. Every detail of this is gong to be dissected by Hannity et. al and it needs to be done literally by the book. The FBI and SDNY will have had this on lockdown and way more evidence than they need to get a warrant like this.

No fucking way this is a fishing expedition. 

You are probably right.  Going against privilege is not something you hear about every day.(cutting through the privilege standard)

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1 minute ago, ChiTownDoc said:

Not a personal attack on you but your posting style strikes me as odd - I mention this because I don't think you're a troll...

 

  The bigger the bomb is that drops - Trump's personal atty getting raided by the FBI is a big fucking deal - the more chips you push in on 'wow, this really is a complete nothingburger'.  Or to be more accurate you state it as 'I sure hope this isn't the nothinburger it's looking like.' 

Maybe I missed some posts that explain that viewpoint?  

This is getting bad - nobody knows how it will truly end but it's currently on the same trajectory as Watergate.  In fact, I would argue there's a lot more smoke to a lot seedier business compared to watergate at this point (before shit hit the fan - IE the actual crawling through the damn window). 

Oh its a total shit show, no doubt. I have been long on record. You dig deep enough in Trump's shit you are gonna find corn, or porn, or whatever.

Where I have pushed back is on this concept that there was some organized effort within the Trump campaign to undermine the american political system via collusion with russia. I dont think that the Trump election team was capable of organizing within themselves, much less organizing with russia. I think it was amateur hour all around. 

Maybe I'm wrong, and the triplehorn's of the board and their easter congressional perp walk projections are spot on. I'll fucking eat that crow if that day comes, and there is no doubt that a significant number of posters here will line up to ensure that plays out. 

Until then, I generally agree. The President's lawyer getting popped with an AM FBI raid is bad. And shit is hitting the fan. There appears to be an angle where they are cracking attorney client privilege that could spill into Russia stuff. Trump will get impeached Jan/Feb 2019 and if there is anything that actually points to collusion he gets removed form office. I am not sure that big tit porn stars getting campaign pay offs will be sufficient, buts thats where we are atm.  

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14 minutes ago, zork said:

Why not give Cohen immunity in order to try and catch the bigger fish?

 

I've been drinking today/tonight.  So I reacted.

Immunity? that's laughable. He's toast. What was that tweet I saw? Oh yes, veteran of 20 years in the FBI, " The lawyers we raided got arrested." 

that's why. It's easier to pry information out of a man looking at Federal hard time than one that might still skate. This shyster is going away somewhere dark and forbidding. He has no cards to play. 

 

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Immunity? that's laughable. He's toast. What was that tweet I saw? Oh yes, veteran of 20 years in the FBI, " The lawyers we raided got arrested." 

that's why. It's easier to pry information out of a man looking at Federal hard time than one that might still skate. This shyster is going away somewhere dark and forbidding. He has no cards to play. 

 

What specific items has he done that makes Cohen a "shyster"?

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Stormy is relevant to the national conversation because she showed that Trump has not only been blackmailed over his sexual activities, but that it worked and he both lied and paid money to try to cover it up. We know now this about Karen McDougal as well, so there is ample evidence that Trump can be successfully blackmailed over his sexual activities. 

I've never thought that the only thing Vlad has on DOTUS is a tape of some hookers pissing on a bed before Trump fucks them in other parts of the hotel suite. I still think it's hookers + possibly piss + a shit ton of money laundering and organized crime connections (basically all also alleged in the Steele dossier). 

However, McDougal and Daniels add a lot of credibility to the idea that Trump could be successfully blackmailed by the existence of such a tape alone. 

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I can't really fault Anastasis and Tahoe for being reticent. All we are seeing are the sparks flying from the forge. Something is happening in the midst of smoke and cinders, but it is terribly difficult to make out exactly what. Hell, yes there is enough smoke to obscure a section of farm land, but where is the fire? 

Mueller is too smart to come straight at the king before he has prepared for the war. He's read Sun Tzu. He knows what he is doing. Bringing down the Teflon Don was where he made his bones. This might not all get played out by 2020. I don't really expect it will. This will hang over us like a pall for the next generation. At least the kids won't have their afternoon cartoons interrupted by the Senate hearings like I did. 

It will take years for the cases to wind through the courts. The only thing that makes it go faster is when somebody rolls over. That seems to be happening with some regularity though. perhaps we can be done with this by oh, some time next decade

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What specific items has he done that makes Cohen a "shyster"?

Yeah man, I am not biting on that. Find me some credible sources that would call him a competent lawyer. There isn't one around here. I can't think of any of the lawyers on here that would take out a loan to cover a debt to a porn star to cover for a client with a known history of not paying his bills. 

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1 minute ago, Anastasis said:

That you motherfuckers are putting me in the same camp with Tahoe has me questioning my faith in Jesus. 

Hey man, you and him are in the same got dam boat. You can't vote for a D because why? I know he is bought and paid for. The arguments I hear from the both sound very similar. I respect you both. But, you have very similar stances. Neither one of you is ready to say there is something there. It is short of what the 8badmofo and clearlakes call a witch hunt, but neither of you is ready to give credence to the investigation. Yes, of course they were rubes. They had not one inkling that they were being played, but play along they did. Oh You have some VERY JUICY DIRT ON THE DNC?! i MUST HAVE IT! MEET ME TOMORROW OR SOONER!

that is what is the problem. and we are all waiting around for Mueller to connect the dots between the Dotard in Chief and the dare I say it? conspiracy! to get him elected

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