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Horn Under posted this yesterday.  If you haven't checked it out, it's a clear concise must listen:

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Holy shit. Did y'all listen to Fresh Air today on NPR?  Carole Cadwalladr, a highly respected British Journalist who writes for the Guardian and the Obeserver, laid out the connections between the Russians, Trump, Brexit, Bannon, and Robert Mercer:

https://www.npr.org/podcasts/381444908/fresh-air

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They elaborate on Aaron Banks and his mysterious role in the Brexit campaign.  No one knew where any of his massive amounts of cash was coming from.  It couldn't be verified from any identifiable source.  Most of it seemed to be coming from dark accounts at offshore sites.

Now today:

 

 

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Time to drive a stake through the "everyone does it" ruse:

 

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  On 7/20/2018 at 7:56 PM, Pescado_Rojo said:

wait...so Manafort is an actual, honest to god cuck?

hahahahahahahahahaahahhaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha......

 

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That is a fucking depressing text thread.  Had to stop reading.  Two adult sisters, talking about their sex-addict, asshole dad and his failing marriage to their brain-damaged, depressed, OCD 60 year old mom who feels she must continue having group sex to remain married.  It's like a German art film. I need to go wash my eyeballs and cry or something. Manafort should be looking forward to prison; maybe he'll get shanked out of his miserable fucking existence.

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  On 7/20/2018 at 8:31 PM, Tuco said:

That is a fucking depressing text thread.  Had to stop reading.  Two adult sisters, talking about their sex-addict, asshole dad and his failing marriage to their brain-damaged, depressed, OCD 60 year old mom who feels she must continue having group sex to remain married.  It's like an German art film. I need to go wash my eyeballs and cry or something. Manafort should be looking forward to prison; maybe he'll get shanked out of his miserable fucking existence.

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I stopped reading it too.  I felt like a creep*. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

*And I have no problem watching 19 year old girls jam sharpies up their ass on reddit. 

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  On 7/20/2018 at 8:33 PM, Gil Bang said:

I stopped reading it too.  I felt like a creep*. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

*And I have no problem watching 19 year old girls jam sharpies up their ass on reddit. 

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In deciding whether I (a) feel like a creep or (b) can fap to this, I looked up images of Paul Manafort's wife.

I definitely feel like a creep.

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  On 7/20/2018 at 8:59 PM, horncyclist said:
  On 7/20/2018 at 8:54 PM, Bruh Man said:
Gangbangs with six black guys. Where are the compassionate Christian conservatives to defend this? Still fretting over this guy? Shame....
 
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I see you conveniently chose a photo where he's NOT wearing a tan suit.

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Where's the flag on his lapel? Daughter covering it up?  He hates the flag!   Not patriotic enough!  #MAGA.

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This is an outstanding but long read on Robert Mueller

 

THE UNTOLD STORY OF ROBERT MUELLER'S TIME IN COMBAT

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One day in the summer of 1969, a young Marine lieutenant named Bob Mueller arrived in Hawaii for a rendezvous with his wife, Ann. She was flying in from the East Coast with the couple’s infant daughter, Cynthia, a child Mueller had never met. Mueller had taken a plane from Vietnam.
 
After nine months at war, he was finally due for a few short days of R&R outside the battle zone. Mueller had seen intense combat since he last said goodbye to his wife. He’d received the Bronze Star with a distinction for valor for his actions in one battle, and he’d been airlifted out of the jungle during another firefight after being shot in the thigh. He and Ann had spoken only twice since he’d left for South Vietnam.
 
Despite all that, Mueller confessed to her in Hawaii that he was thinking of extending his deployment for another six months, and maybe even making a career in the Marines.
 
Ann was understandably ill at ease about the prospect. But as it turned out, she wouldn’t be a Marine wife for much longer. It was standard practice for Marines to be rotated out of combat, and later that year Mueller found himself assigned to a desk job at Marine headquarters in Arlington, Virginia. There he discovered something about himself: “I didn’t relish the US Marine Corps absent combat.”
 
So he headed to law school with the goal of serving his country as a prosecutor. He went on to hold high positions in five presidential administrations. He led the Criminal Division of the Justice Department, overseeing the US investigation of the Lockerbie bombing and the federal prosecution of the Gambino crime family boss John Gotti. He became director of the FBI one week before September 11, 2001, and stayed on to become the bureau’s longest-serving director since J. Edgar Hoover.
 
And yet, throughout his five-decade career, that year of combat experience with the Marines has loomed large in Mueller’s mind. “I’m most proud the Marines Corps deemed me worthy of leading other Marines,” he told me in a 2009 interview.
 
 
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  On 7/20/2018 at 8:27 PM, Anastasis said:

"For the last 40 years, IC covert action requires a POTUS "finding" + there's Congressional (HPSCI/SSCI) oversight."

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Yeah, I believe that the "IC" (hate that term, btw), calmed down considerably after the Church Commission in the 70s, but I think you're baying at the moon if you don't believe that they have reverted to the mean in the 40 years since.  They're probably not as good at it, though, since all the Angletons and Donovans got run out or died.

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  On 7/21/2018 at 3:39 AM, Hugo Stiglitz said:
Just look at what France got. It appears we got short changed with Butina.  

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Her with Anna Chapman

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Let's be honest. The most damning indictment of the NRA and Republican Party is that Russia realized they only had to send Two Face Butina, the definition of B Team, to America so they could send the A Team elsewhere.

 

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  On 7/21/2018 at 4:09 AM, TwiceHorn said:

Yeah, I believe that the "IC" (hate that term, btw), calmed down considerably after the Church Commission in the 70s, but I think you're baying at the moon if you don't believe that they have reverted to the mean in the 40 years since.  They're probably not as good at it, though, since all the Angletons and Donovans got run out or died.

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What is your issue with the term "Intelligence Community" or it's abbreviated "IC" for short? We, the IC, have no problem being referred to as such as it encompasses the various independent agencies. Especially when the data that is collected and processed concludes the same thing despite methodology and the ability to utilize certain techniques and technologies is completely different from one agency to the next.

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  On 7/21/2018 at 8:43 AM, HOOK'EMHOOAH said:

What is your issue with the term "Intelligence Community" or it's abbreviated "IC" for short? We, the IC, have no problem being referred to as such as it encompasses the various independent agencies. Especially when the data that is collected and processed concludes the same thing despite methodology and the ability to utilize certain techniques and technologies is completely different from one agency to the next.

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I think it's too monolithic, as indicated in your last sentence.  And it implies too much cooperation or agreement.  While ELINT, SIGINT and "data intelligence" might be in agreement often, particularly as to Russia over the last few years,  the HUMINT agencies are more notorious for their infighting and lack of cooperation and agreement than anything else, at least the civilian agencies, viz. CIA and FBI.

 

But on further reflection, I think i dislike it mostly because it is just a sign o the times. 

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  On 7/21/2018 at 12:25 PM, TwiceHorn said:

I think it's too monolithic, as indicated in your last sentence.  And it implies too much cooperation or agreement.  While ELINT, SIGINT and "data intelligence" might be in agreement often, particularly as to Russia over the last few years,  the HUMINT agencies are more notorious for their infighting and lack of cooperation and agreement than anything else, at least the civilian agencies, viz. CIA and FBI.

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The bottom line is that with any investigatory agency, everything runs on evidence and how reliable that evidence is. When there is more independent verification for any piece of evidence, it is given a higher reliability. That is why single source intelligence is given low credibility. The term Intelligence Community or IC isn't meant to be monolithic, it's just a way to encompass each independent agency whether they are law enforcement, civilian, military, or anything else. It's a rare event that the entire IC would have to be called upon in the instance of what happened in the 2016 election. Each agency used their independent methods and tools to gather evidence and make a determination. From those independent verifications, a consensus was determined with all the sources concluded the same thing, thus the overall determination coming from the IC as a whole.

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  On 7/20/2018 at 8:54 PM, Bruh Man said:

Gangbangs with six black guys. Where are the compassionate Christian conservatives to defend this? Still fretting over this guy? Shame....

 

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Cross post for fun:

 

“Knock knock!”
“Who’s there?”
“Tijuana!” 
“Tijuana who?”
“Tijuana bring your mother to the gang bang
Oh yes you do
It’s been a long time since she had a screw
When she was younger and in her prime
she used to gang bang all the time!”

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  On 7/21/2018 at 5:12 PM, Hugo Stiglitz said:
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There's not going to be any horse trading.  This is a gross attempt by Russia to directly dictate and use Trump to neutralize the function of our legal system in a criminal matter:

 

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MOSCOW (Reuters) - Russia’s foreign minister told his U.S. counterpart on Saturday that a woman arrested in the United States on accusations she was a Russian agent had been detained on “fabricated charges” and should be released.

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On Wednesday, a U.S. judge ordered Butina jailed until her trial after U.S. prosecutors argued she has ties to Russian intelligence and could flee the United States.

Butina has been accused of working with a high-powered Russian official and two unidentified U.S. citizens, trying to infiltrate a pro-gun rights organization in the United States and influence the United States’ foreign policy toward Russia.

Lavrov said the actions of the American authorities, who arrested Butina “on the basis of fabricated charges”, were unacceptable and called for her release as soon as possible.

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This is crazytown desperation.  If there is any indication that Trump follows these orders, it's beyond break the glass time.

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