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Just to make sure I have the alternative facts straight...  Our government -- but I'm guessing only the deep state part of it --- is now guilty of torturing a poor, naive Russian exchange student who

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liberals suddenly being terrified of Russia and manic for election integrity is just pure comedy gold.

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I don't believe for a moment that any of this is entertaining to you.  I think it gives you a bit of anxiety knowing that your best weapon against a group who you despise is a bumbling fraud as a busi

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5 hours ago, HOOK'EMHOOAH said:

No they don't and as well they shouldn't. No one should just take anything on faith because it's not a reliable pathway to the truth.

but that'll be another fork in the road for these types-when they lose their jobs because of a tariff created recession.

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No one has weaponized Twitter better than Trump.  It’s a remarkable phenomenon to witness.  Elected officials, private companies, global markets, and world leaders have all had their behavior changed by what this lying two bit con-man decides to spout on Twitter.  

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16 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

No one has weaponized Twitter better than Trump.  It’s a remarkable phenomenon to witness.  Elected officials, private companies, global markets, and world leaders have all had their behavior changed by what this lying two bit con-man decides to spout on Twitter.  

But it's just so  . . .  moronic.

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1 hour ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Imagine having the power to suspend Trump’s twitter account.

What would you do? 

I wrestle with the dilemma this must be for Jack Dorsey.

It's no dilemma for him. No such thing as bad publicity. 

Trump is a positive for Twitter, and much needed at a time when they are removing and getting hammered for fake accounts. 

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2 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

 

Such impotent rage.  He managed to knock Helsinki off the front page with the Cohen tape, but he can’t help himself. 

This would be the FISA warrants approved by four Bush I and Bush II and Reagan judges??    RINOs!!!!

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Just now, Gatorubet said:

This would be the FISA warrants approved by four Bush I and Bush II and Reagan judges??    RINOs!!!!

Not to mention the FISA warrant was to surveil the bumbling idiot Carter Page ONLY.  Not someone else, just the guy with a record of being recruited by Russian intelligence. 

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Maria Butina, the Russian woman charged in federal court last week with acting as an unregistered agent of her government, received financial support from Konstantin Nikolaev, a Russian billionaire with investments in U.S. energy and technology companies, according to a person familiar with testimony she gave Senate investigators.

Butina told the Senate Intelligence Committee in April that Nikolaev provided funding for a gun rights group she represented, according to the person. A spokesman for Nikolaev confirmed that he was in contact with her as she was launching the gun rights group in Russia between 2012 and 2014. He declined to confirm whether Nikolaev gave her financial support.

Nikolaev’s fortune has been built largely through port and railroad investments in Russia. He also sits on the board of American Ethane, a Houston ethane company that was showcased by President Trump at an event in China last year, and is an investor in a Silicon Valley start-up.

Nikolaev has never met Trump, according to his spokesman.

However, Nikolaev’s son Andrey, who is studying in the United States, volunteered in the 2016 campaign in support of Trump’s candidacy, according a person familiar with his activities. Nikolaev was spotted at the Trump International Hotel in Washington during Trump’s inauguration in January 2017, according to two people aware of his presence.

In a court filing last week, prosecutors said Butina’s emails and chat logs are full of references to a billionaire as the “funder” of her activities. They wrote that the billionaire is a “known Russian businessman with deep ties to the Russian Presidential Administration.”

Prosecutors did not identify Butina’s funder by name but said he travels often to the United States and was listed by Forbes this year as having a net worth of $1.2 billion — which is the same as Nikolaev’s current listing.

Butina was ordered held without bond this week after she was charged with conspiring to work as a Russian agent. Prosecutors allege that she sought to meet GOP politicians and infiltrate conservative organizations, including the National Rifle Association, at the direction of a Russian government official, in an attempt to advance the Kremlin’s interests.

According to prosecutors, for two years, she traveled back and forth to the United States, often accompanying Russian central banker Alexander Torshin to NRA events and other political meetings. Prosecutors have said that her activities were directed by a high-level Russian government official who matches the description of Torshin.

In August 2016, she came to Washington to study full time as a graduate student at American University.

Butina’s lawyer, Robert Driscoll, has said she is not a Russian agent but rather a student interested in learning about the American political system. The Russian government has proclaimed Butina’s innocence, promoting the hashtag #freeMariaButina on social media. Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov pressed Butina’s case with Secretary of State Mike Pompeo in a phone call Saturday, according to a statement by the Russian government.

Driscoll declined to comment on Nikolaev but said that the Russian businessman cited by prosecutors was a financial supporter of the gun rights group Butina founded in Russia, the Right to Bear Arms. She met him in person only twice, he said.

Prosecutors cited Butina’s interactions with the Russian billionaire to argue she should not be allowed out of jail while awaiting trial. They argued that she has “ties to the Russian oligarchy” and knows wealthy men who could be in a position to offer her “safe harbor” if she decided to flee the United States.

Nikolaev last had contact with the Russian activist in 2014, according to his spokesman, who said that at the time, Butina had a “public profile in Russia as a blogger on key domestic issues that were of interest.”

Nikolaev’s connections to the Russian government “cannot be characterized as deep,” his spokesman said.

“Mr. Nikolaev has no connections to the Russian government other than those that are strictly required professionally,” said the spokesman, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss the ongoing investigation.

He declined to offer details about the political volunteer work by Andrey, Nikolaev’s son.

“Like countless other young people studying in the U.S., Andrey volunteered to hand out leaflets just for the experience,” he said.

Andrey Nikolaev did not respond to a request through the spokesman for comment. Trump campaign officials did not respond to requests for comment.

Konstantin Nikolaev is a major investor in American Ethane and sits on the company’s board.

The company was spotlighted by Trump during a visit to Beijing in November. During the trip, Trump and Chinese President Xi Jinping presided over a ceremony in which U.S. companies publicly signed deals with Chinese partners. One of the 15 deals deal inked at the event was a $26 billion deal for American Ethane to deliver liquid ethane to China.

At the event, Trump and Xi sat on a raised stage and applauded while executives, including American Ethane chief executive John Houghtaling II, came forward to sign trade deals at a table festooned with American and Chinese flags.

The White House declined to comment. Houghtaling declined to comment, except to say that Nikolaev had no role in the China deal or the Beijing ceremony.

Nikolaev has also put money into other U.S. companies. In 2016, he invested in a San Francisco start-up called Grabr, according to a company press release. Grabr operates an online service that allows shoppers to buy unusual products internationally by enlisting the help of ordinary international travelers willing to buy and transport goods for a fee.

Another investor in Grabr, according to the company, is Alexey Repik, a Russian pharmaceutical executive who attended Trump’s inauguration and had access to an array of exclusive events.

Repik said he is a minor investor in Grabr with Nikolaev but that the two are not close. He said he does not know Butina or support pro-gun efforts.

It is unclear if Nikolaev also attended any official inaugural events, but he was seen at Trump’s D.C. hotel, which served as hub of inauguration celebrations. His spokesman declined to comment on what he was doing there.

Also in town for the festivities: Butina, who made an appearance at one of the inaugural balls, according to a person aware of her attendance. This week, prosecutors submitted as evidence a selfie she snapped of herself in front of the Capitol during the swearing-in ceremony.

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41 minutes ago, riloh05 said:

did hrc collude against bernie? pretty sure that happened. why is this not being investigated. i will hang up and listen.

As already said, that is not a federal government issue. 

It’s up to the Democrats to decide whether to make changes and prevent it from happening again. 

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47 minutes ago, riloh05 said:

did hrc collude against bernie? pretty sure that happened. why is this not being investigated. i will hang up and listen.

And remember when Obama colluded against fashion sense when he ate fancy mustard in a brown suit?  Why no special prosecutor?  Do something!  Sad!

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1 hour ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

However, Nikolaev’s son Andrey, who is studying in the United States, volunteered in the 2016 campaign in support of Trump’s candidacy, according a person familiar with his activities. Nikolaev was spotted at the Trump International Hotel in Washington during Trump’s inauguration in January 2017, according to two people aware of his presence.

Would that be a campaign violation in and of itself?

 

Haven't looked at it in a while, but I seem to recall that campaigns are not to take money or anything of value from a foreign national.  That would seem to include volunteer services.

Answering my own question, no, it seems.  https://www.fec.gov/updates/foreign-nationals/

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1 hour ago, riloh05 said:

did hrc collude against bernie? pretty sure that happened. why is this not being investigated. i will hang up and listen.

Because the DNC is entitled to nominate whoever and however it wishes. There is no legal standard or obligation. 

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Because the DNC is entitled to nominate whoever and however it wishes. There is no legal standard or obligation. 

That makes sense...and maybe i am just too basic. i am really trying to make sense of this and i am not a trumpster. did this happen before 11/16 or after 1/17? how would trump have any stroke to pull anything off? i thought or was told by many others that trump doesnt know how any of this works...so i do not get/understand his involvement if he was indeed isolated. are thesenot fair questions for someone who doesnt follow this shit daily?

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5 minutes ago, riloh05 said:

That makes sense...and maybe i am just too basic. i am really trying to make sense of this and i am not a trumpster. did this happen before 11/16 or after 1/17? how would trump have any stroke to pull anything off? i thought or was told by many others that trump doesnt know how any of this works...so i do not get/understand his involvement if he was indeed isolated. are thesenot fair questions for someone who doesnt follow this shit daily?

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Get's tiring when peeps show up with basic questions when threads exist with hundreds of pages already posted answering this already.  Just do a search or don't depending on level of sincerity.  

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50 minutes ago, SubliminalHorn said:

Their party, their rules for choosing a candidate. Are you and other trumpkins suggesting that the federal government control parties? Y’all love authoritarianism, don’t y’all. 

Lulz, you think I'm a Trumpkin.

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