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Just to make sure I have the alternative facts straight...  Our government -- but I'm guessing only the deep state part of it --- is now guilty of torturing a poor, naive Russian exchange student who

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liberals suddenly being terrified of Russia and manic for election integrity is just pure comedy gold.

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I don't believe for a moment that any of this is entertaining to you.  I think it gives you a bit of anxiety knowing that your best weapon against a group who you despise is a bumbling fraud as a busi

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Seth Abramson highlighted this from Comey’s House testimony this week:


“2/ So I felt a frission of pleasure when Comey said that the two terms we should speak about when we speak about "collusion" are conspiracy and aiding and abetting. I felt pleasure because he and I seem to be the only people talking about *aiding and abetting* as to Trump-Russia.”

“Collusion” ——> Conspiracy and Aiding and Abetting

Note the common applied terminology in the 14th Amendment:

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Aiding and Abetting, giving comfort, to an enemy who attacked the US ?

Would the 14thA supersede impeachment clauses if Trump conspired to aid and abet the Russian attack to defraud the US ?

 

 

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"Aiding and abetting, giving comfort, to an enemy" here is a term of art straight out of English law from 1300's.  It doesn't apply.  Enemy is essentially related to a formally declared war.  Thus the "light" treason.

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18 hours ago, Jograves said:

Of course, it’s significant. During the campaign, The Apprentice was used as a qualification for the presidency and by not just a few people. I recall people on tv pointing to that as an example of his leadership skills. A fucking tv show. Insanity. 

IIRC Roger Stone had a hand in angling DOTUS to host The Apprentice as part of his long-range plan to have him installed as prez. I think he said so in Get Me Roger Stone, but I could be wrong.

10 hours ago, Paul Wesley said:

The producers of "Apprentice" talked about showing up to the offices in Trump Tower in the early stages of show development, and being kind of shocked at how run-down the Trump offices were.  Everything seemed cheap and shabby and outdated.  The network had to get in there and build/furnish the upscale "board room" that was used for the set.  

 

My sister worked for years as a concierge at the DC Four Seasons. She has a good eye for hotels. That description of his offices matches almost word for word what she thought of his DC hotel.

8 hours ago, shnsajax said:

 


I would put Trumps IQ more on the level of Michael Bishop.


 

 

Maybe his lawyers could get him off on the Pedro Guerrero defense. "Your honor, my client is too dumb to understand how wrong it was to try to buy 16 kilos of cocaine from a federal undercover agent." That actually worked. 

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19 hours ago, David Dennison said:

It's why educated people are fleeing the party in droves.

It's the party of slack-jawed yokels and morons.

 

19 hours ago, JimmyJames said:

Don’t forget the greedy corrupt uber rich top .01 percent who control the rubes. 

 

This is a Les Liaisons Dangereuses. Oh, shit! A what? Dangerous Liaisons. What is that? The movie. I don't know that movie. It was like-like Cruel Intentions. She's All That? Can't Buy Me Love? Almost any movie made in the late '90s? Guys, guys, these are the games that rich people with nothing but time on their hands play with people that they perceive to be below them. 

The Republican Party better listen to Dennis on this one. Those 0.01%'ers hope the yokels and morons don't have the cruelest intentions of them all.......

 

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This is a good analysis of the implications of Friday's filings without a lot of speculative bias.  A good reference to provide for those that aren't Trumpkins but also may not be completely woke yet.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2018/12/mueller-briefs-bad-news-trump-manafort-and-cohen/577681/

Most significant, the special counsel indicates that Cohen “described the circumstances of preparing and circulating his response to the congressional inquiries, while continuing to accept responsibility for the false statements within it.” That statement suggests that the special counsel believes that someone in the Trump administration knew of, and approved in advance, Cohen’s lies to Congress. That’s explosive, and potentially impeachable if Trump himself is implicated.

 

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8 minutes ago, Goredho said:

That statement suggests that the special counsel believes that someone in the Trump administration knew of, and approved in advance, Cohen’s lies to Congress. That’s explosive, and potentially impeachable if Trump himself is implicated.

 

 

I mean, who else could it possibly be?

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So, to be clear, Comey knew about the Trump/Russia connection for three months before the election and remained silent, yet still felt it was his duty to publicly announce the reopening of the email investigation with two weeks ago? Cool.


Forgot publication but read a reaction was that FBI was trying to warn Trump administration that Russia was interfering / meddling in the election. The FBI at the time didn’t fathom that the Trump campaign was coordinating with the Russians
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When Fox News is running opinion articles stating the President is possibly turbofucked, well, he probably is:

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/andrew-c-mccarthy-why-trump-is-likely-to-be-indicted-by-manhattan-us-attorney

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The major takeaway from the 40-page sentencing memorandum filed by federal prosecutors Friday for Michael Cohen, President Trump’s former personal attorney, is this: The president is very likely to be indicted on a charge of violating federal campaign finance laws.

It has been obvious for some time that President Trump is the principal subject of the investigation still being conducted by the U.S. attorney for the Southern District of New York.

Cohen earlier pleaded guilty to multiple counts of business and tax fraud, violating campaign finance law, and making false statements to Congress regarding unsuccessful efforts to build a Trump Tower in Moscow.

Yes, Cohen has stated he did the hands-on work in orchestrating hush-money payments to two women who claim to have had sexual liaisons with Trump many years ago (liaisons Trump denies).

But when Cohen pleaded guilty in August, prosecutors induced him to make an extraordinary statement in open court: the payments to the women were made “in coordination with and at the direction of” the candidate for federal office – Donald Trump.

More at the link.

 

 

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And Rand Paul on this morning playing defense for Trump. "We over criminalize filling out forms wrong","broken campaign finance laws should be a fine not jail time", "special prosecutors are a huge mistake and go after a person, not a crime"."Mueller was unfair to Flynn","illegally eavesdropped on him".

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And Rand Paul on this morning playing defense for Trump. "We over criminalize filling out forms wrong","broken campaign finance laws should be a fine not jail time", "special prosecutors are a huge mistake and go after a person, not a crime"."Mueller was unfair to Flynn","illegally eavesdropped on him".

And then right after this he goes off on expanding executive power and the Patriot Act.  Make up your mind jackass.

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And Rand Paul on this morning playing defense for Trump. "We over criminalize filling out forms wrong","broken campaign finance laws should be a fine not jail time", "special prosecutors are a huge mistake and go after a person, not a crime"."Mueller was unfair to Flynn","illegally eavesdropped on him".


Hoping and betting Ryan may be implicated
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14 hours ago, Paul Wesley said:

The producers of "Apprentice" talked about showing up to the offices in Trump Tower in the early stages of show development, and being kind of shocked at how run-down the Trump offices were.  Everything seemed cheap and shabby and outdated.  The network had to get in there and build/furnish the upscale "board room" that was used for the set.  

Trump was never what they presented on the show.  He was a short-fingered vulgarian carnival barker who defrauded investors, ran a fake charity that specialized in self-dealing, and was eager to work with global oligarchs looking to legitimize dirty money.

This is a great description of trump.  Concisely brings in both character and crimes, past and present.

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10 minutes ago, Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand said:

Obama: As outgoing president, it's my duty to inform you that our intelligence has grave concerns regarding Flynn.

 

Trump: Oh yeah? Well check this out, Osama. Flynn! You're hired!

Obama tried to work with McConnell during election to put out a statement regarding Russian meddling but McConnel balked. McConnel if he isn’t just as dirty as Trump is knowingly complicit. 

Lock him up!!

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I've read that Obama was also concerned with how Putin might retaliate on election day. He was counting on Hillary winning and dealing with it later.

https://www.npr.org/2018/06/19/621338178/journalist-warns-cyber-attacks-present-a-perfect-weapon-against-global-order

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SANGER: The voting systems, not the systems where you actually cast your vote because those are pretty well off-line but the system where you register to vote. So that if you showed up, Dave, at your polling place on Election Day and they might say, well, thanks for coming in, Dave, but we show that you moved to New Mexico three months ago.

And you could imagine the chaos that could be played with there. And those are outward-facing systems, those are connected to the Internet. So you could cause a lot of chaos in that. And President Obama's concern, and I fully understand it, was they could come back and cause chaos in the election. Why was that a concern? Because Donald Trump was already running around saying this election has been rigged.

And they all thought in the White House, Hillary's going to win and Trump is going to turn around and say, the election was rigged for her, and that will create chaos. And they didn't want to play into that narrative. And they thought that was the most likely outcome. It never dawned on them that Hillary might lose and that it would go the other way. And so they thought they had time.

They thought that they could deal with the Russians and retaliate against the Russians after Hillary Clinton was elected and then hand the plan off to her. Well, it didn't turn out that way.

 

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9 hours ago, Chuckie Finster said:


So, to be clear, Comey knew about the Trump/Russia connection for three months before the election and remained silent, yet still felt it was his duty to publicly announce the reopening of the email investigation with two weeks ago? Cool.

Yep. Fuck him. Maybe he was colluding too and Trump just forgot to pay him. Making one of those investigations public and not the other is shady as fuck. 

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Comey obviously fucked up a little bit.

However, Comey wanted to write an op-Ed in the NYT about the Russian interference before the election but the White House nix’d it. 

What a horrible situation to be in for Comey, he was screwed no matter what he did or didn’t do.

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4 hours ago, Bama Chick said:

Man, we really need Thompson and George Carlin back from the dead.

Can you imagine their takes on the epic clown show that is America?

Meh. They banged this drum for 20+ years. Their only take would be that the conspirators are now too stupid to conspire effectively. 

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3 hours ago, SuingToGetAMessageBoard? said:

January 2, 2019, both houses of Congress simultaneously present, approve conformed bill decriminalizing campaign finance violations, obstruction of justice.  Immediately sent to White House for signature.  

forgot to include pardons now include freedom from federal and state prosecution.  

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Oh no.  Corsi has sued Mueller & Co. Might as well just shut it all down.

 

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/12/09/corsi-mueller-lawsuit-klayman-stone-wikileaks-1054204

 

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An author and conspiracy theorist who says he’s being threatened with indictment by special counsel Robert Mueller’s team in the Trump-Russia probe filed a federal lawsuit Sunday night accusing Mueller of constitutional violations and leaking grand jury secrets.

Jerome Corsi’s new suit against Mueller also accuses the special prosecutor of trying to badger Corsi into giving false testimony that he served as a conduit between Wikileaks found Julian Assange and Roger Stone, a longtime adviser to then-candidate Donald Trump.

 

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Corsi is demanding $100 million in actual damages and $250 million in punitive damages for injury to his reputation.

The suit, filed in U.S. District Court in Washington, is just the latest maneuver in a public campaign against Mueller by Corsi and his attorneys. Last month, they gave reporters copies of draft court documents showing that Mueller wanted Corsi to plead guilty to a false statements charge.

 

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