The Robert Mueller Investigation

[TwiceHorn 31280]

4 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Any bets?

I'm guessing 5 years concurrent. 

I'm guessing five consecutive.  However, Mueller wanted to bring this and the ED Va cases together, which would have increased the odds of concurrent, but Manafort objected.  I don't know how that plays into this (probably not at all, formally).

[Pig Bellmont 8691]

 

[SuingToGetAMessageBoard? 3861]

Jackson seems to be pretty harsh here. Makes it sound like a not lenient sentence.

[Biff Tannen 45495]

[SuingToGetAMessageBoard? 3861]

every time there is something good for Manafort, Jackson says "yeah, but..."

[Brisketexan 104624]

9 minutes ago, Pig Bellmont said:

 

Seems the judge doesn't care for fancy ostrich-skin jackets...

[SuingToGetAMessageBoard? 3861]

 

Just incredible his lawyers took the route of "c'mon, no one even usually notices these crimes" as an argument for leniency, and Jackson was not impressed.

 

[Chooky 13302]

A pretty good legal defense would be "hey, if it wasn't for law enforcement and nosy people being aware of my crimes, nobody would even know that I loved doing crime."

[Hugo Stiglitz 23356]

4 minutes ago, SuingToGetAMessageBoard? said:

 

Just incredible his lawyers took the route of "c'mon, no one even usually notices these crimes" as an argument for leniency, and Jackson was not impressed.

 

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The judge slams Manafort and his lawyers for making the "unsubstantiated" claim that Manafort was only charged by Mueller's office because they couldn't charge him with anything related to the campaign. "The noncollusion mantra is simply a non sequitor"

[Pig Bellmont 8691]

 

[triplehorn 2664]

That's a pre-requisite for a job with TrumpCo

Edited March 13, 2019 by triplehorn

[Hugo Stiglitz 23356]

[Pig Bellmont 8691]

 

[triplehorn 2664]

 

The 'no collusion' mantra is simply a non sequitur." It's also not accurate, since the investigation is ongoing, she says.

uh oh.  She knows what's coming.

[Nivek 16859]

 
Just incredible his lawyers took the route of "c'mon, no one even usually notices these crimes" as an argument for leniency, and Jackson was not impressed.
 

Why not? They going to argue the facts? Nope.

[Pig Bellmont 8691]

So with credit for time served I think after today Manafort will serve 6.5 years in prison. 

60 months (with 30 running concurrently) plus 13 months on top for witness tampering 

Edited March 13, 2019 by Pig Bellmont

[SuingToGetAMessageBoard? 3861]

 

So a bonus 2.5 years in prison.

 

[SuingToGetAMessageBoard? 3861]

Wait. No.  Count 2 starts after?  So 3 years 7 months bonus.

[Chooky 13302]

Whenever I shit through the sunroof of one of my friend's cars or bang their wives I like to show up a few days later in a wheelchair like "hey, I know I crossed the line but I bet you feel pretty bad being so mad at me while my back hurts."

[Biff Tannen 45495]

So what's his total time in the clink?

[Gap03 3286]

So 7 1/2 years all in, right?

[SuingToGetAMessageBoard? 3861]

47 months for the last trial plus bonus 43 here I think.  90 months.  7.5 years.

[Pig Bellmont 8691]

Just now, Gap03 said:

So 7 1/2 years all in, right?

I think you have to subtract his time served to date

[Biff Tannen 45495]

holy fuck, can an actual lawyer answer this?

[Native Horn 3492]

1 minute ago, Biff Tannen said:

holy fuck, can an actual lawyer answer this?

No lawyers on the Surl, they're too busy.

[SuingToGetAMessageBoard? 3861]

1 minute ago, Biff Tannen said:

holy fuck, can an actual lawyer answer this?

can an actual good lawyer.

 

everyone here is a lawyer.

[Pig Bellmont 8691]

1 minute ago, Biff Tannen said:

holy fuck, can an actual lawyer answer this?

Lulz. I’m offended. But you probably mean an actual *criminal* lawyer. @scottsins?

[WhatTheBuck 28712]

31 minutes ago, SuingToGetAMessageBoard? said:

Jackson seems to be pretty harsh here. Makes it sound like a not lenient sentence.

 

29 minutes ago, SuingToGetAMessageBoard? said:

every time there is something good for Manafort, Jackson says "yeah, but..."

And then goes pretty easy on him. The "Woe is me" strategy paid off. 

[Red Five 40665]

I am not a lawyer, per se, but I have watched A Few Good Men many, many times. What would you like to know?

[Biff Tannen 45495]

7.5 years?  Out of a total possible 35?

[Pescado_Rojo 19331]

come on guys, it's not like he got caught with a dime bag or something...

[TwiceHorn 31280]

He will receive credit for time served and 54 days/year "good time" for good behavior. 

35 years (or whatever was adding the maximum for every count) was never realistically on the table.

[Gap03 3286]

3 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

7.5 years?  Out of a total possible 35?

Hopefully Mueller is offended by the absurdity of this and decides to drag him back into court for other crimes.  Or, even better, refers something to a state AG so that Manafort can spend some time in non-country club prison.  

[Chooky 13302]

6 minutes ago, Red Five said:

I am not a lawyer, per se, but I have watched A Few Good Men many, many times. What would you like to know?

The truth and whether or not you personally think I can handle it.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23356]

Can we ship him back to Ukraine now? 

Their justice system will love Paul Manafort.

[TwiceHorn 31280]

13 minutes ago, Gap03 said:

Hopefully Mueller is offended by the absurdity of this and decides to drag him back into court for other crimes.  Or, even better, refers something to a state AG so that Manafort can spend some time in non-country club prison.  

It's what white guys get for white collar crimes.  I think I would have said 10 was about right, but that's influenced by the fact that I think most sentences are overboard.

Edited March 13, 2019 by TwiceHorn

[Hugo Stiglitz 23356]

Manafort just got indicted again.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23356]

 

[Pig Bellmont 8691]

”No one is above the law in New York.” Vance says

[Irwin F Fletcher 3550]

That's too bad, that guy can't catch a break.

[Gap03 3286]

1 minute ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

 

Nice ... you think that the Feds would let him serve some time in Rikers before they shut it down?

[hobbes2702 12844]

But he’s really sorry guys

[406W30th 1111]

1 minute ago, Irwin F Fletcher said:

That's too bad, that guy can't catch a break.

He's otherwise blameless.

 

[kevwun 15651]

Looks like the good guys have decided Manafort needs to die in prison.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23356]

I’ve always suspected whatever Manafort gets charged with are likely charges Trump could get hit with except on a much bigger scale.

[Loco 3752]

5 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

 

[Pig Bellmont 8691]

Makes you wonder about other sealed indictments...

Edited March 13, 2019 by Pig Bellmont

[Chooky 13302]

1 minute ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

 

Curious timing.  Just in case anyone forgets that most prosecutors can be grandstanding cunts.

[TwiceHorn 31280]

1 minute ago, Chooky said:

Curious timing.  Just in case anyone forgets that most prosecutors can be grandstanding cunts.

Cyrus Vance's photo is in some dictionaries under that definition, yes.

[hobbes2702 12844]

Can one of the surly lawyers address the double jeopardy questions with these new charges?