The Robert Mueller Investigation

[Biff Tannen 46,066]

3 minutes ago, Chooky said:

A two year investigation that compiled over 300 pages in a final report is reduced to a four-sentence summary by a guy who was appointed within the last couple of months by the people being investigated naturally compels one to look further into Clinton real estate deals 30 years ago and Benghazi and Chinese donors.  Dumb is the new smart and orange is the new Caucasian.  I have to get creative in finding new ways to keep laughing at watching the world's greatest democracy finger itself in the ass.  But witnessing people like Onboard justify everything by comparing two unscrupulous hordes like the Clintons and the Trumps into a compatible, net positive helps with the laughing part.   

Four page, but yes, the point is made.

[Chooky 13,338]

4 minutes ago, BrickHorn said:

If you’re so smart, then why can’t you tell us where Hillary’s emails are?

I know where they are and I can show you but you have to see Anthony Weiner's dick first.  Sounds weird, I know, but it's a process.

[FondrenRoad 4,378]

27 minutes ago, Onboard 2.0 said:

You wanna start with White water (pre federal gov't service) or the Chinese national  campaign funds they received (no controlling legal authority, "listen we were going up against a juggernaut") ? I'm sure you don't think they were guilty of either of those. 

The Rose Law firm billing reports just magically showing up hours after the investigation was over just outside the doors of the Clintons private quarters.  Private meetings on a tarmac between the AG and Bill Clinton (baby talk to be sure), Culminating with 30,00 destroyed e mails regarding weddings and yoga classes.

Mrs. Clinton has written how many minutia filled books of her time in Washington, but whenever questioned under oath has had early onset alzhiemers regarding facts or any issue for that matter.  

And just because you don't get caught doesn't mean you didn't do it.  Smokey, I hope you're more intelligent than that.   The Clintons are very smart and insulated people, that's never been argued otherwise.  I think we're going to see trump skate the same way in all probability.

Whitewater - Just a minute ago, you said you didn't care if Trump was a crook before he worked for the federal gov't.  So whether I believe they were guilty in whitewater or not, its irrelevant since it occurred prior to Bill being President.

Chinese campaign funds - I have little doubt that China was sending money through 3rd parties for Congressional and Presidential campaigns even though China denied it.  I have no doubt that some of that money made it through.  For sure, however, when they tried to send money to Clinton's legal defense fund, it was rejected.  So do I think the Clinton's solicited that money or even knew it was there until after the investigation?  Nope.

Rose Law Firm - Whitewater again.  Alleged criminal activity occurred prior to him being President.  Furthermore, all this is in Starr's book which you can buy in its entirety.  Funny how transparent that investigation was compared to what we are seeing now.  And Starr was a political hitman who fully intended to sink Clinton and found nothing that could make that happen.  Unlike Mueller, who is actually trying to find the truth whatever it may be.

Email destruction - I find it interesting that your concern over private email seems to only matter for Hillary.  Personally, nobody should be using private email for government business.  Or Whats App.  Or texts.  Or Twitter DMs.  But I also think she's an old and dumb technophobe and had no clue as to what she was doing.

Clinton and AG meeting - So two people that know each other have a conversation and they know you are going to see them go behind closed doors together.  Most people looking to do something dirty, don't do it so openly.  For $30 each, they could have used tracfones to collude.  And they may well have been, but that meeting itself is much ado about nothing once again.

Hillary Testimonies - She has probably spent more time under oath on Capitol Hill than any other individual in history.  It should be telling to you that not a single indictment came from it.  Remind me again of how many times Trump has testified under oath?

Not getting caught - For what you believe happened to be true, Hillary would have to be one of the smartest people in the history of the world.  I'd rather vote for the Hillary you believe in than the actual Hillary.  The actual Hillary was an aging Boomer who knows nothing about technology or communications security.

 

Edited March 29, 2019 by FondrenRoad

[Fudge Nuggets 19,408]

17 minutes ago, Chooky said:

A two year investigation that compiled over 300 pages in a final report is reduced to a four-sentence summary by a guy who was appointed within the last couple of months by the people being investigated naturally compels one to look further into Clinton real estate deals 30 years ago and Benghazi and Chinese donors.  Dumb is the new smart and orange is the new Caucasian.  I have to get creative in finding new ways to keep laughing at watching the world's greatest democracy finger itself in the ass.  But witnessing people like Onboard justify everything by comparing two unscrupulous hordes like the Clintons and the Trumps into a compatible, net positive helps with the laughing part.   

Turtle doing his thing to keep the report under wraps tells you everything you need to know.

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What's the end game here? Barr/Trump tell Nadler to pound sand. Nadler sends a subpoena. They tell him to pound sand again. It goes to the courts. 

Is that how this is going to play out?

[hobbes2702 13,354]

35 minutes ago, Onboard 2.0 said:

No, what it says is it's easier to commit crimes than it is to get caught.

Dude just stop. You look like a fool

[JimmyJames 12,271]

4 minutes ago, retread said:

What's the end game here? Barr/Trump tell Nadler to pound sand. Nadler sends a subpoena. They tell him to pound sand again. It goes to the courts. 

Is that how this is going to play out?

Probably, although mueller will be subpoenaed to testify before that scenario unfolds, it in fact that’s how it’s played out. 

The turtle, senator poodle, and queen Lindsay’s recent antics are the biggest tell that the report is damning and so they are at least gonna try to hide it from the public. In this day and age I have no idea how that is gonna work since the dems control the house but that’s apparently the plan and they’re sticking to it. 

[deech 2,381]

I get that some components of the report need to be refined or redacted for public consumption as they may give away intelligence related issues.

I just don't understand how after so many Rs spoke out about wanting it to be made public now Turtle and Rs don't want the actual report out there.

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12 minutes ago, JimmyJames said:

Probably, although mueller will be subpoenaed to testify before that scenario unfolds, it in fact that’s how it’s played out. 

The turtle, senator poodle, and queen Lindsay’s recent antics are the biggest tell that the report is damning and so they are at least gonna try to hide it from the public. In this day and age I have no idea how that is gonna work since the dems control the house but that’s apparently the plan and they’re sticking to it. 

Agree. If the report just reiterated the Russian contacts/involvement that are publicly available, then who cares. Release the report. All of those things have already been normalized. Must be some juicy details in there.

Edited March 29, 2019 by retread

[Biff Tannen 46,066]

7 minutes ago, deech said:

I just don't understand how after so many Rs spoke out about wanting it to be made public now Turtle and Rs don't want the actual report out there.

Because the Rs are lying cunts.  Pretty simple really.

[Chooky 13,338]

I've always kinda liked Mike Conoway.  It's sad to watch him submit and hand his party over to the lunacy of Trumpublicanism.  The Bush family propelled him into the political realm.  He's not a moron, so it makes me wonder how he justifies this bullshit to himself and if it even stings anymore.  

[triplehorn 2,664]

1 hour ago, Biff Tannen said:

Four page, but yes, the point is made.

Barr used four ‘partial’ sentences from Mueller report in his memo.  84 works, no complete sentences.

When you consider what’s already in tbe public domain, what Barr is trying to hide has to tip some scales.

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6 minutes ago, Chooky said:

I've always kinda liked Mike Conoway.  It's sad to watch him submit and hand his party over to the lunacy of Trumpublicanism.  The Bush family propelled him into the political realm.  He's not a moron, so it makes me wonder how he justifies this bullshit to himself and if it even stings anymore.  

Can't really think of any Rs that have voiced opposition to Cheeto. Flake and Corker made some flowery speeches before running out the back door. That's about it.  

[LongestHorn 772]

3 minutes ago, triplehorn said:

Barr used four ‘partial’ sentences from Mueller report in his memo.  84 works, no complete sentences.

When you consider what’s already in tbe public domain, what Barr is trying to hide has to tip some scales.

Barr was told to write a cover letter for the report, but he heard cover-up letter.

[Horn Dog 10,156]

1 hour ago, Onboard 2.0 said:

No, what it says is it's easier to commit crimes than it is to get caught.

[JimmyJames 12,271]

Again, the longer this drags on the more curious people will become to see what is actually in it. The republicans are gonna make the release of the mueller report one of the most anticipated event in history. It’s a dumb losing strategy but team trumpkin and the R sycophants aren’t known for their long term strategic thinking.

[Chrispy 132]

7 minutes ago, Horn Dog said:

I can’t stop watching this gif, it’s greatness. 

[Zavala 1,384]

11 minutes ago, triplehorn said:

Barr used four ‘partial’ sentences from Mueller report in his memo.  84 works, no complete sentences.

When you consider what’s already in tbe public domain, what Barr is trying to hide has to tip some scales.

 

6 minutes ago, LongestHorn said:

Barr was told to write a cover letter for the report, but he heard cover-up letter.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/01/09/graham-william-barr-robert-mueller-best-friends-wives-attended-bible-study-together/

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6574343/Attorney-General-pick-Barr-expresses-confidence-Mueller.html

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/01/15/trump-russia-mueller-barr-friends-1102244

[Hugo Stiglitz 23,367]

1 hour ago, retread said:

What's the end game here? Barr/Trump tell Nadler to pound sand. Nadler sends a subpoena. They tell him to pound sand again. It goes to the courts. 

Is that how this is going to play out?

Mueller must testify and be able to speak openly.

[Anastasis 23,704]

1 hour ago, retread said:

What's the end game here?

 

[Born to Run 6,598]

Again, the longer this drags on the more curious people will become to see what is actually in it. The republicans are gonna make the release of the mueller report one of the most anticipated event in history. It’s a dumb losing strategy but team trumpkin and the R sycophants aren’t known for their long term strategic thinking.

Their only play is to run the clock out to 2020. Shifting demographics are against them. GOP policy is waning in popularity - what little policy they have.

Given their hand, it’s a smart play. Who knows what kind of crisis will develop down the road. Wouldn’t take much to eclipse Americans concern about very complex investigation.

No one is turning on Trump until it’s absolutely prudent.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23,367]

45 minutes ago, JimmyJames said:

Again, the longer this drags on the more curious people will become to see what is actually in it. The republicans are gonna make the release of the mueller report one of the most anticipated event in history. It’s a dumb losing strategy but team trumpkin and the R sycophants aren’t known for their long term strategic thinking.

Trump is trying to distract with Obamacare and closing the border.  He’s going to do more crazy shit.  He thinks he can make the public interest go away if he can get the media to focus on something else.  He will also keep attacking the media until they bend to his will.

This is another test of journalists/media to keep the American people focused on what is important.  It already doesn’t feel like a report on the biggest and most consequential scandal in American history, but it is and Trump knows it. 

He is losing control of public perception and the Mueller report could be a metaphorical stab in the heart of Trump.

[Gap03 3,375]

55 minutes ago, Horn Dog said:

I have a dream that one day one of these episodes will end like this ...

[4th&Five 41,908]

 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23,367]

Not good enough.  This is bullishit

Release it now.

[Message Board User 12,405]

 

[FondrenRoad 4,378]

7 minutes ago, 4th&Five said:

 

Its gonna be so redacted that it looks like a ream of brand new paper they just bought from Staples.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23,367]

Democrats please step up for the love of fucking god.  I’d start impeachment proceedings if Barr doesn’t hand this report over to congress by 5PM.  This is fucking bullshit.

[EMAWesome 101]

2 hours ago, SmokeyTheBear said:

And why were the Republicans inept at pinning them down on anything during the years of investigations if they were so corrupt?

Because Republicans are pretty much inept at accomplishing anything that works in their favor politically.  

Edited March 29, 2019 by EMAWesome

[EMAWesome 101]

3 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Democrats please step up for the love of fucking god.  I’d start impeachment proceedings if Barr doesn’t hand this report over to congress by 5PM.  This is fucking bullshit.

Oh please do this.  I'm starting to understand why Democrats favor gun control so much.  They think it will help them keep from shooting their toes off of their feet.  Go ahead and start impeachment proceedings.  It will give me time to buy stock in suicide prevention hot lines before Election Day next year.

[Bash Riprock 1,695]

So Mid-April is bringing round 2 of lib tears. 

[Lagunamadre 1,975]

9 minutes ago, Message Board User said:

 

400 pages seems like a lot to say "Complete and Total Exoneration!!!!", Mueller must have been using some huge ass font. 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23,367]

There’s no reason Pelosi and Schiff can’t see the full unredacted report now.  They have as high a security clearance as Barr.  

Edited March 29, 2019 by Hugo Stiglitz

[LonghornJudas 1,137]

Just now, Lagunamadre said:

400 pages seems like a lot to say "Complete and Total Exoneration!!!!", Mueller must have been using some huge ass font. 

Hey, you never know.

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9 minutes ago, FondrenRoad said:

Its gonna be so redacted that it looks like a ream of brand new paper they just bought from Staples.

I believe Trump has said something to the effect that he's going to let Barr address exec privilege issues. More good cop, bad cop.

Will Coverup-General strike again?

[jimmyjazz 46,990]

35 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

 

Oof.  If you're gonna put up a cover, at least give us Joe Ely's version.  (This makes me wonder -- why wasn't Joe one of the Highwaymen?)

[Hugo Stiglitz 23,367]

16 minutes ago, EMAWesome said:

Oh please do this.  I'm starting to understand why Democrats favor gun control so much.  They think it will help them keep from shooting their toes off of their feet.  Go ahead and start impeachment proceedings.  It will give me time to buy stock in suicide prevention hot lines before Election Day next year.

You don’t understand how that would play out.  First, the democrats don’t want to impeach Trump.  The democrats can say “we are going hold off impeachment as long as you make the report public now.”   

The polls show overwhelming support the American people want to see the report, they would likely go along with democrats playing hard ball with the impeachment process to get the Mueller report out.

Democrats can start and stop the impeachment process anytime they want and they lose nothing for 2020 as long as a vote for impeachment never takes place.  Time to put the figurative gun to this administration’s head.  

They said “we have to wait for Mueller” well the wait for Mueller is over.  They don’t need to wait for Barr.  

Edited March 29, 2019 by Hugo Stiglitz

[bad_teammate 13,483]

Demand access to the full and unredacted report immediately and threaten Barr with impeachment for obstruction.

But Pelosi won't do that, because she's garbage.

[Anastasis 23,704]

4 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

Oof.  If you're gonna put up a cover, at least give us Joe Ely's version.  (This makes me wonder -- why wasn't Joe one of the Highwaymen?)

Youtube lacks high quality videos on the subject.

 

Edited March 29, 2019 by Anastasis

[Biff Tannen 46,066]

No one does it like REK.

[jimmyjazz 46,990]

Just now, Biff Tannen said:

No one does it like REK.

Well, I have friends in his band, and it's a helluva song he wrote . . . but . . .

[Born to Run 6,598]

Trump is trying to distract with Obamacare and closing the border.  He’s going to do more crazy shit.  He thinks he can make the public interest go away if he can get the media to focus on something else.  He will also keep attacking the media until they bend to his will.
This is another test of journalists/media to keep the American people focused on what is important.  It already doesn’t feel like a report on the biggest and most consequential scandal in American history, but it is and Trump knows it. 
He is losing control of public perception and the Mueller report could be a metaphorical stab in the heart of Trump.

The media keeps fucking this up. So many over reactive articles and headlines this week all based on Barr’s 4 page fuckery. Headlines should be “Waiting on Mueller Report” not “Now That Mueller is done” or “Gulliani May have saved Trump”.
Report the damn facts

Most people don’t dig deep into the issues.

[notre dame joe 202]

22 hours ago, Bash Riprock said:

Closing in / Closing down    exoneration / no probable cause  potato  / other potato

 

4 hours ago, seven said:

Trump was extremely fortunate to inherit such a great economy 

So the Bush bailouts worked pretty well aye?  Most of Obama's early successes came from his major decision not to mess with what GWB put in place.

Edited March 29, 2019 by notre dame joe

[Bash Riprock 1,695]

[XingTheRubicon 134]

3 hours ago, GW Hayduke said:

Imagine if there was a cable news network, a series of talk radio hosts, and elected representatives from a particular party that all parroted for a decade the same talking point that Hillary was corrupt. Then, imagine that the closest they ever got to proving any actual corruption was an email server. At some point, folks should hope that some degree of self-awareness would take hold or they would move on, and then they would be able to see what their party is doing today, right now. 

Imagine if there was every other network, a series of effeminate TV anchors/hosts, and elected representatives from a particular party that all parroted for 2 years the same talking points that our commander-in-chief was a Russian double agent.  Then, imagine that the closest they ever got to proving any actual collusion was a Rachel Maddow dream.  At some point, folks should hope that some degree of self-awareness would take hold or they would move on.  Then, they would be able to see what their party is doing (guaranteed loser socialism) today, right now.

Edited March 29, 2019 by XingTheRubicon

[Degenerate Gardner 4,135]

Oh good,  the meme factory is belching out smoke again.

[Anastasis 23,704]

Barr's letter indicated redaction of the following elements is underway, with the assistance of the special counsel:

1) Material subject to Federal Rule on Criminal Procedure 6c

2) IC identified sensitive information

3) Material related to ongoing investigations in other jurisdictions

4) Potential damaging information related to peripheral third parties

 

What does 6C cover?

[Cheeseweasel 26,439]

https://www.law.cornell.edu/rules/frcrmp/rule_6 (6E)

"But in making his decision, Barr is bound by federal laws that limit how certain material from federal investigations can be shared. In particular, one section of the Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure — known in legal circles by its number, 6e — prohibits, with few exceptions, the public release of information obtained through grand jury testimony. The rule is intended to keep information classified in federal criminal investigations, and protect the privacy of an individual or entity that has not been charged with a crime."

[JimmyJames 12,271]

So they’re gonna redact any mention of trump? 

[Lagunamadre 1,975]

35 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

No one does it like REK.

This thread needs more Robert Earl Keen.