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Just to make sure I have the alternative facts straight...  Our government -- but I'm guessing only the deep state part of it --- is now guilty of torturing a poor, naive Russian exchange student who

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liberals suddenly being terrified of Russia and manic for election integrity is just pure comedy gold.

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I don't believe for a moment that any of this is entertaining to you.  I think it gives you a bit of anxiety knowing that your best weapon against a group who you despise is a bumbling fraud as a busi

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Why?  I am not quite as convinced of their criminality as their venality, but if they stepped on their collective dick, why wouldn't they be charged?

Positive rep point for using “venality.” That, and 25 cents, will buy you a quarter.
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45 minutes ago, Tuco said:


Positive rep point for using “venality.” That, and 25 cents, will buy you a quarter.

Ivanka is a criminal, just like the rest of the family. They are rich, white criminals with enough money to buy off the judicial system. It only took a $25,000 campaign contribution to buy off Cyrus Vance.

https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/how-ivanka-trump-and-donald-trump-jr-avoided-a-criminal-indictment

He's some more Ivanka crime.

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/03/13/donald-trumps-worst-deal

https://www.newsweek.com/ivanka-trump-diamonds-caught-alleged-money-laundering-scheme-757168

https://www.salon.com/2017/11/20/is-ivanka-trump-a-target-of-investigation-now-it-seems-likely/

Whether they are convicted is one thing, but they have spent their entire adults lives surrounded by criminals and involved in shady deals. 

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11 hours ago, GRHorn said:

I’m basing it off the cynical view that powerful people and the people closely connected to them are almost never held accountable. Even if they did something illegal. 

The powerful have lackeys to handle the shit and create deniability.  For example Hilary buying the dossier through a law firm Perkins Cole which thus owes a duty of confidentiality.  It's no wonder every outsider is met with yells of CRIMINAL, because the insiders know the legal way to do the same thing. 

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35 minutes ago, notre dame joe said:

The powerful have lackeys to handle the shit and create deniability.  For example Hilary buying the dossier through a law firm Perkins Cole which thus owes a duty of confidentiality.  It's no wonder every outsider is met with yells of CRIMINAL, because the insiders know the legal way to do the same thing. 

Yep this is definitely one angle that contributes to it. You could also throw in investigators/bureaucrats who are involved in similar entanglements or something else they’d like to remain in the dark. Or perhaps they owe a favor or would like to curry favor. Or just any connection coming from the revolving door between government and lobbyists and on and on.  

At this point, you could just throw in that there’s a standing precedent that some people are above the law. In short, corruption top to bottom is probably the biggest issue with our government and financial system specifically. It’s reached the level that changing the person at the top doesn’t even matter. I’m not sure what is the best way to tackle it.  

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What you guys are asking for is a de jure coup d'etat. You've tried to have him declared insane, which was a common tactic in the USSR and is used today in China. You fabricate elaborate but evidence free theories of how Putin stole the election. You want a show trial with fake evidence and predetermined outcomes, like they do in North Korea, Iran, and the old Soviet Union. You want to subvert the democratic process because orange man bad. 

You people are so blinded by hate you would completely destroy the democratic process because you're candidate didn't get elected. 

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Why are these guys always telling us what we think and never telling us about all of Trump's admirable qualities. 

35 minutes ago, Thetexashammer said:

What you guys are asking for is a de jure coup d'etat. You've tried to have him declared insane, which was a common tactic in the USSR and is used today in China. You fabricate elaborate but evidence free theories of how Putin stole the election. You want a show trial with fake evidence and predetermined outcomes, like they do in North Korea, Iran, and the old Soviet Union. You want to subvert the democratic process because orange man bad. 

You people are so blinded by hate you would completely destroy the democratic process because you're candidate didn't get elected. 

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Did y'all ever find Obama's real birth certificate? 

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Why are these guys always telling us what we think and never telling us about all of Trump's admirable qualities. 

Wait wait. I think I know the answer. Because he doesn't have any? Also, punctuation.

 

In all seriousness, were you trying to start an argument or something? We agree - he's terrible. I've said it a million times. I don't salute the man, I salute the rank. He was elected. It will run its course.

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1 minute ago, Thetexashammer said:

Wait wait. I think I know the answer. Because he doesn't have any? Also, punctuation.

 

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because you're candidate didn't get elected. 

 

Fucking LOL. 

So a terrible man, with no admirable qualities, has smoke all around him with regards to unethical and possibly illegal activity, and your idea of "running the course" is to allow the president's hand picked lackey in the AG office to tell us all that there's nothing to see here? Full stop? 

You may salute the office just a bit too much. 

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50 minutes ago, Thetexashammer said:

Wait wait. I think I know the answer. Because he doesn't have any? Also, punctuation.

 

In all seriousness, were you trying to start an argument or something? We agree - he's terrible. I've said it a million times. I don't salute the man, I salute the rank. He was elected. It will run its course.

You don’t know the different between your and you’re so maybe you shouldn’t lecture about punctuation 

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Fucking LOL. 

So a terrible man, with no admirable qualities, has smoke all around him with regards to unethical and possibly illegal activity, and your idea of "running the course" is to allow the president's hand picked lackey in the AG office to tell us all that there's nothing to see here? Full stop? 

You may salute the office just a bit too much. 

You don't get to talk about "smoke" anymore. Four investigations. None found anything. None. Nothing. It's over. Move on. Or pursue your coup d'etat. The choice is yours.

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1 minute ago, Thetexashammer said:

Name one positive trait.

He looks frail and confused and nervous but he probably won't expire before eviscerating chunks of the longest standing democracy, that was based on the greatest document known to mankind, and even by winning a second term he will be remembered as the pied piper of handing the largest socialist surge the country has ever known to an unprecedented level of executive power?

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14 minutes ago, hobbes2702 said:

False.

If a black, foreign, Muslim president's National Security Advisor goes straight from the gate to prison???...

He's done. It's over. Fuckin' advised against it.

That's not even the biggest part of the Trump iceberg we can see. The other 2/3 part we can see is his campaign manager and lawyer going to prison. And everyone knows with farmed out cases, the visible part of the iceberg is still lesser that about to breach little more than half-way through this spree of an administration.

 

Nevertheless, must fight duopoly.

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8 hours ago, GRHorn said:

Yep this is definitely one angle that contributes to it. You could also throw in investigators/bureaucrats who are involved in similar entanglements or something else they’d like to remain in the dark. Or perhaps they owe a favor or would like to curry favor. Or just any connection coming from the revolving door between government and lobbyists and on and on.  

At this point, you could just throw in that there’s a standing precedent that some people are above the law. In short, corruption top to bottom is probably the biggest issue with our government and financial system specifically. It’s reached the level that changing the person at the top doesn’t even matter. I’m not sure what is the best way to tackle it.  

I really don't know either.  For context last night the biographer of Texas' on LBJ was on NPR.  This guy moved to the hill country (from NYC) for 3 years to become acclimated with his childhood.  He also found buried in the papers a scorecard of the money Johnson funneled in Congress; a classic graft in which his pet construction company landed big government contracts and kicked it back to their politician.  Johnson rose up the ranks by dictating which of his colleagues could wet their beaks too. 

 

LBJ signed the Civil Rights Act, Great Society, and Vietnam escalation.  See, maybe America does have the best system? (hire lobbyists, hire someone who understands the campaign finance laws, keep quid pro quo down to reasonable levels).  

 

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7 hours ago, Thetexashammer said:

You don't get to talk about "smoke" anymore. Four investigations. None found anything. None. Nothing. It's over. Move on. Or pursue your coup d'etat. The choice is yours.

So you trust the president and his AG to simply wave a wand and say there's nothing of value to the American public in the report? 

I've never heard of saluting the office from your knees, but hey it's a free world so you do you. 

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So you trust the president and his AG to simply wave a wand and say there's nothing of value to the American public in the report? 
I've never heard of saluting the office from your knees, but hey it's a free world so you do you. 


Just ignore the dumbfuck.


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8 hours ago, Thetexashammer said:

You don't get to talk about "smoke" anymore. Four investigations. None found anything. None. Nothing. It's over. Move on. Or pursue your coup d'etat. The choice is yours.

Same thing was said/done with the Hillary investigation but there you guys were in your email circle jerk.  Fuck off.

IMO the Mueller Report might surprise some people in what it reveals about those in charge.  Like others have said, most of the criminal investigations have been passed off to other jurisdictions so we won't know what comes of them for a while.

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4 hours ago, CowboyFred said:

Same thing was said/done with the Hillary investigation but there you guys were in your email circle jerk.  Fuck off.

IMO the Mueller Report might surprise some people in what it reveals about those in charge.  Like others have said, most of the criminal investigations have been passed off to other jurisdictions so we won't know what comes of them for a while.

Emails lol. 

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15 hours ago, Thetexashammer said:

What you guys are asking for is a de jure coup d'etat. You've tried to have him declared insane, which was a common tactic in the USSR and is used today in China. You fabricate elaborate but evidence free theories of how Putin stole the election. You want a show trial with fake evidence and predetermined outcomes, like they do in North Korea, Iran, and the old Soviet Union. You want to subvert the democratic process because orange man bad. 

You people are so blinded by hate you would completely destroy the democratic process because you're candidate didn't get elected. 

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We'll see about all that when the full report finally comes out.

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If you can set aside the death spiral that we're all enjoying on the way down, it should be pretty entertaining hearing him try to spin all of the negative testimony/facts. He can't just say NO COLLUSION over and over if there's a lot more information out there.

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38 minutes ago, retread said:

He's gonna spend all weekend tweet-refuting the facts revealed tomorrow, isn't he?

well, considering the reports coming from ex and current staffers, the president's temper is an issue, and he's going to "go bonkers" when it comes out.  presumably, most everyone who lied has already been indicted, so i would assume he's gonna spend all weekend trashing his people for telling the truth.  how dare they?

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42 minutes ago, retread said:

If you can set aside the death spiral that we're all enjoying on the way down, it should be pretty entertaining hearing him try to spin all of the negative testimony/facts. He can't just say NO COLLUSION over and over if there's a lot more information out there.

He tweets almost daily about great progress being made on a non-existent wall.  

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1 minute ago, troph said:

The thing is going to be so redacted it won’t show us much of anything. He may bomb folks on Twitter all weekend but that doesn’t mean we will learn much.

If that's the case, it's a win for Democrats and will be that much worse for the White House when the entire report makes its way to the public.

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