The Robert Mueller Investigation

[Biff Tannen 45477]

Just now, Anastasis said:

 

[Anastasis 23375]

Don't be a humorless fuck. 

[Biff Tannen 45477]

1 minute ago, Anastasis said:

Don't be a humorless fuck. 

Hey, I like that meme.  Sue me.

[JimmyJames 12271]

Barr with his spying comment already showed his “I’m actually a complete hack” card.

Expect heavy redactions of anything remotely damning for whatever bullshit reason he can weasel up. I’m not expecting much tomorrow except a shitload of black magic marker. 

[Anastasis 23375]

Just now, JimmyJames said:

Barr with his spying comment already showed his “I’m actually a complete hack” card.

 Expect heavy redactions of anything remotely damning for whatever bullshit reason he can weasel up. I’m not expecting much tomorrow except a shitload of black magic marker. 

The real fun kicks off with the investigator generals report in June. 

[JimmyJames 12271]

1 minute ago, Anastasis said:

The real fun kicks off with the investigator generals report in June. 

What I don’t get is why haven’t members of Congress with security clearance been allowed to at least read the damn thing. The fucking Starr report was being printed and on it’s way to book people by now.

[Anastasis 23375]

Just now, JimmyJames said:

What I don’t get is why haven’t members of Congress with security clearance been allowed to at least read the damn thing. The fucking Starr report was being printed and on it’s way to book people by now.

Congress can eat a dick.  Every single American should get to read the thing. 

[David Dennison 18605]

5 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

The real fun kicks off with the investigator generals report in June. 

Something tells me there won't be a single word redacted in that report.

But I'm cynical.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23356]

I’m skeptical as to how much will be redacted.  Much of Trump’s obstruction of justice was done in public and it will be difficult to find justification for redacting that information from the Mueller report but with the Coverup General, who knows? 

[Biff Tannen 45477]

23 minutes ago, JimmyJames said:

What I don’t get is why haven’t members of Congress with security clearance been allowed to at least read the damn thing. The fucking Starr report was being printed and on it’s way to book people by now.

So much this.

[suddenly shaggy 929]

Don't worry Hugo, Barr will find whatever justification he needs to. He's an old pro at keeping damaging facts away from Congress. 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23356]

1 minute ago, suddenly shaggy said:

Don't worry Hugo, Barr will find whatever justification he needs to. He's an old pro at keeping damaging facts away from Congress. 

Mueller’s silence is deafening 

[shnsajax 3589]

There was the claim that Mueller was helping with the redaction's which I am skeptical of. Wonder if Mueller would sign off on a redacted report?

[retread 2951]

Barr to give press conference and take questions at 9:30 AM tomorrow. Get Cheeto's narrative out there first.

Edited April 17, 2019 by retread

[henrygandorf 29174]

2 minutes ago, retread said:

Barr to give press conference and take questions at 9:30 AM tomorrow. Get Cheeto's narrative out their first.

so i got to set an alarm for 630am like some kind of asshole?

[bolverk 29360]

4 minutes ago, shnsajax said:

There was the claim that Mueller was helping with the redaction's which I am skeptical of. Wonder if Mueller would sign off on a redacted report?

This is where I'm at.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23356]

3 minutes ago, retread said:

Barr to give press conference and take questions at 9:30 AM tomorrow. Get Cheeto's narrative out their first.

So inappropriate... If you were giving Barr the benefit of the doubt, this presser should end that presumption.  The only person that should give a press conference is Mueller. Barr is a complete Trump stooge. 

Edited April 17, 2019 by Hugo Stiglitz

[retread 2951]

Mueller will hopefully have his say in open Congressional hearings.

[henrygandorf 29174]

1 minute ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

So inappropriate... If you were giving Barr the benefit of the doubt, this presser should end that presumption.  The only person that should give a press conference is Mueller. Barr is a complete Trump stooge. 

i'm sure they're relying on a bunch of the american public hearing barr, then not tuning in to watch the "analysis" the rest of the day.  sad thing is they'll probably get away with it as a plan for a lot of the country.

[henrygandorf 29174]

Just now, retread said:

Mueller will hopefully have his say in open Congressional hearings.

this.  let barr do the barr/trump show, and wait til mueller gets called to testify.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23356]

Just now, henrygandorf said:

this.  let barr do the barr/trump show, and wait til mueller gets called to testify.

This isn’t a legal battle anymore, it’s full blown political warfare and strategic deception.  They are going to put enough spin on this thing it will not matter what Mueller has to say under oath. 

[retread 2951]

I think Mueller's testimony will be very compelling. I hope it is.

3 minutes ago, henrygandorf said:

i'm sure they're relying on a bunch of the american public hearing barr, then not tuning in to watch the "analysis" the rest of the day.  sad thing is they'll probably get away with it as a plan for a lot of the country.

Yep. Barr's an old hand at this bit.  He knows he can get away with dissembling just like his orange buddy.

Edited April 17, 2019 by retread

[Hugo Stiglitz 23356]

Mueller should have had his ass hauled up to the hill the second he handed in his report. 

[Anastasis 23375]

Redaction-gate in full swing. Rosenstein is in on it too. 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23356]

You mean the guy that helped Trump obstruct justice by writing the “Comey should be fired because he was mean to Hillary” memo.

[Anastasis 23375]

Just now, Hugo Stiglitz said:

You mean the guy that helped Trump obstruct justice by writing the “Comey should be fired because he was mean to Hillary” memo.

Impossible to keep up with your shifting winds of assessment.  They tend to be confounded by strong priors. 

[TwiceHorn 31184]

43 minutes ago, JimmyJames said:

What I don’t get is why haven’t members of Congress with security clearance been allowed to at least read the damn thing. The fucking Starr report was being printed and on it’s way to book people by now.

Major point of clarification.  The Starr Report wasn't the report generated at the conclusion of his investigation.  It was an interim report statutorily required by 28 USC 595(c):

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An independent counsel shall advise the House of Representatives of any substantial and credible information which such independent counsel receives, in carrying out the independent counsel’s responsibilities under this chapter, that may constitute grounds for an impeachment. Nothing in this chapter or section 49 of this title shall prevent the Congress or either House thereof from obtaining information in the course of an impeachment proceeding.

Congress leaked it.  And it was probably unlawful to do so.  It certainly violated Fed. R. Crim. Pro 9 to the extent it included grand jury material.

Just like there were laws then, there are different laws now.  And those laws were specifically drafted to avoid the haphazard release that occurred with the Starr "Report," which isn't quite the same thing as Mueller's Report.

And security clearance only entitles those members with it to see national security information, not grand jury or other confidential information.

[Biff Tannen 45477]

1 minute ago, TwiceHorn said:

And security clearance only entitles those members with it to see national security information, not grand jury or other confidential information.

Would the whole 3rd party privacy bullshit by Barr fall under "other confidential information"?  If so, this is all nonsense and a waste of time.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23356]

5 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

Impossible to keep up with your shifting winds of assessment.  They tend to be confounded by strong priors. 

Rosenstein has demonstrated he has acted in good faith for the most part. He did hire Mueller.  However, he should have recused himself from the obstruction of justice side of the investigation because he is a key witness.   

[Bruh Man 3160]

 

[JimmyJames 12271]

So redact the report investigating trump from any mention of trump then. That’ll be a worthwhile read.

[Anastasis 23375]

[Hugo Stiglitz 23356]

4 minutes ago, Bruh Man said:

 

Banana Republic 

[4th&Five 41457]

 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23356]

BUT BILL CLINTON LORETTA LYNCH TARMAC MEETING 

[SmokeyTheBear 5562]

5 minutes ago, Bruh Man said:

 

I wonder if there is any correlation between these talks and Trumps latest hate towards Mueller? Nah

[Hugo Stiglitz 23356]

Just now, 4th&Five said:

 

Damn you! Beat me to it.

[JimmyJames 12271]

Just now, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Banana Republic 

Yeah but grand jury material was provided and in it so the public can’t read it, nor can members of congress with security clearance. Barr can tell trump whatever he wants to that’s in though, apparently. Seems legit. 

[Anastasis 23375]

Just now, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Damn you! Beat me to it.

Twitter beat you to an original thought.  Not surprising. 

[CowboyFred 1151]

1 hour ago, Biff Tannen said:

that was my first avatar on shaggy back in 2011...cool story bro.

[shnsajax 3589]

Banana Republic 

This is why you wait till after the first report is released. Have Mueller testify to the redactions and so called corrections as well.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23356]

Just now, shnsajax said:

This is why you wait till after the first report is released. Have Mueller testify to the redactions and so called corrections as well.

 

The thing you want to do is make sure the president and his stooge AG get all the information ahead of everyone else so they can conspire to mislead the public before the facts come out. 

[JimmyJames 12271]

The fix is in people. Stop defending non releasing the report based on your legalese bullshit, and I’m saying this as a lawyer. 

This ain’t the grand jury proceedings to decide whether or not Juanita Moldovar should be prosecuted for a gun crime or not. This is the country, its president, and its legitimacy at stake. There is always an exception to every rule, as you well know. 

Just release the damn thing and stop playing these reindeer games and let the public decide, one way or the other.  If it exonerates trump then the public should see that. If it doesn’t, the public should see that too. 

[Red Five 40593]

I heard there will also be a three hour infomercial tonight on Fox News with Rudy G sharing his interpretation of the report.

Not really, but you probably believed it.

[jimmyjazz 45513]

1 hour ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

I’m skeptical as to how much will be redacted.  Much of Trump’s obstruction of justice was done in public and it will be difficult to find justification for redacting that information from the Mueller report but with the Coverup General, who knows? 

If it's redacted, nobody will be able to tell that it was information previously seen in public.

[TwiceHorn 31184]

26 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

Would the whole 3rd party privacy bullshit by Barr fall under "other confidential information"?  If so, this is all nonsense and a waste of time.

Its not bullshit.  It may be bullshit as applied by Barr, but it isn't bullshit.  It's all the third parties smeared in the Starr report, most prominently Monica Lewinksy, that the current regs were supposed to protect.

The other categories of redaction are grand jury information and ongoing investigation information, neither of which Congress is entitled to see, security clearance or no, absent a court order.

Edited April 17, 2019 by TwiceHorn

[zork 629]

1 hour ago, Anastasis said:

Congress can eat a dick.  Every single American should get to read the thing. 

 

[henrygandorf 29174]

i love the report coming out now that "trump may hold a press conference a few hours after barr's", but may not.

yeah, guess you wanna see how much barr sticks to the script first.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23356]

Trump is absolutely doing one of those marathon press conferences tomorrow where he rambles for hours.  There’s no way he can resist. 

[JimmyJames 12271]

8 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Its not bullshit.  It may be bullshit as applied by Barr, but it isn't bullshit.  It's all the third parties smeared in the Starr report, most prominently Monica Lewinksy, that the current regs were supposed to protect.

Monica was smeared long before the Starr report came out. So if that’s the justification then its bullshit.

Kind of like Kavenaugh saying he’s now learned his lesson from his work on the Clinton investigation and now opposes what an independent counsel does and its trampling of presidential prerogative. Complete and total horseshit.