The Robert Mueller Investigation

[Biff Tannen 46167]

4 minutes ago, FondrenRoad said:

President Camacho is a true statesman compared to President Trump. He was incompetent, but gave a shit.  Trump is incompetent and doesn't give a shit.  We are already in a worse place. 

This.  Camacho would be step up.  The only way we could take a step further backward is if someone equally as horrid as the dotard, but actually intelligent, gets elected takes power.

[retread 2951]

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

Edited April 18, 2019 by retread

[Bruh Man 3160]

Trump using the vets as props for his coordinated NO COLLUSION bitch fest. 

 

[jimmyjazz 47203]

I doubt any of those Wounded Warriors had bone spurs.  Advantage, Trump.

[David Dennison 19542]

12 minutes ago, Cheeseweasel said:

I lean slightly right and I'll be the first to admit, this was a PR move by Barr. He was setting the table for the media to be on the defensive. He's writing the headlines.

It's not going to work.

[Mojo Hand 4580]

15 minutes ago, Jhawk said:

So if the precedent of how Hilary was treated was cited in this case would you be pissed or happy?

Absolutely, if Barr came out in his press conference and blasted Trump extensively for his wrongful behavior that simply didn't rise to the level of criminality based on intent, after Trump had submitted personally to an investigatory interview to prove that and other aspects of the alleged crimes, I'd be extremely happy.   I'd be even happier if Trump went before Congress to testify under oath for 11 hours.   

But we don't live in that world.  Well, only for Trump we don't live in that world. 

Edited April 18, 2019 by Mojo Hand

[Mojo Hand 4580]

25 minutes ago, BrickHorn said:

I wish I could rep this infinity times.

Admittedly, I wouldn't mind making fetch happen on that one. 

[Biff Tannen 46167]

4 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

It's not going to work.

Dude, I admire your optimism, but everything has worked for them so far.  Why would it stop now?

[Mojo Hand 4580]

6 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

It's not going to work.

Narrator:  it worked. 

David Dennison:  Ah! Well. Nevertheless. 

[hayden_horn 11402]

2 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

Dude, I admire your optimism, but everything has worked for them so far.  Why would it stop now?

 

Just now, Mojo Hand said:

Narrator:  it worked. 

David Dennison:  Ah! Well. Nevertheless. 

 

[Yuk 1618]

 

[WhatTheBuck 28930]

1 minute ago, JimmyJames said:

If there was no conspiracy with the Russians by anyone in the campaign what was the purpose of Manafort giving internal campaign polling data to the Russians? 

And why did they all unanimously lie about over 100 interactions with Russian operatives? Why did the first hacked DNC email dump on Wikileaks come 30 minutes after the Access Hollywood "grab 'em by the pussy" tape was released? Why didn't they report it to the FBI when an offer of help from the Russian government was offered? Why did they take the meeting? Why did Kevin McCarthy state behind closed doors that he thought Trump was getting paid by the Russians?

It's all in plain sight. 

[David Dennison 19542]

4 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

Dude, I admire your optimism, but everything has worked for them so far.  Why would it stop now?

It's not working. 

[henrygandorf 29225]

10 minutes ago, Bruh Man said:

Trump using the vets as props for his coordinated NO COLLUSION bitch fest. 

 

he prefers warriors that didn't get wounded. advantage - bone spurs. 

[Biff Tannen 46167]

1 minute ago, David Dennison said:

It's not working. 

Ok cool, hook em.

[Yuk 1618]

 

[Cheeseweasel 26439]

2 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

It's not working. 

Denial is not just a river in Egypt. 

[Chuckie Finster 23079]

Just now, Yuk said:

 

holy shit can't believe the piss tape is real

[Anastasis 23720]

1 minute ago, Yuk said:

 

Flips to page 50...

[RomaVicta 30590]

49 minutes ago, hayden_horn said:

so, when donald trump junior met with russians about dirt on hillary, which we know about, because HE released those emails, that was not collusion?

these cockroaches are hiding in plain sight, yall

They have trained their base to accept any answer that supports their prejudice as a sufficient answer. It's the ascendence of sophistry. Or, maybe clown sophistry considering who is in charge of the circus.

Idiot world.

[David Dennison 19542]

Just now, Biff Tannen said:

Ok cool, hook em.

If it were working, his numbers would be better. He would be getting more popular, especially in this economy. Instead, he's historically unpopular and looking at being a one term president.

This has been a drag on his presidency and has weakened him politically. He can't get anything done on the Hill and increasingly has to resort to questionable tactics to get anything done. After today, it's only going to get worse. The only thing protecting him is the office he holds. He's going to get more desperate in the coming months, not less. The 2016 campaign is going to look tame compared to his unhinged rants leading up to 2020. 

His actions are not the actions of a man who is winning the political battle.

[WhatTheBuck 28930]

5 minutes ago, hayden_horn said:

 

 

[4th&Five 42005]

 

[TexEx15 17949]

 

[Horndog 2295]

28 minutes ago, JimmyJames said:

When discussing the obstruction section the AG went out of his way to talk about how frustrated the president was about the investigation and how the president thought it was hurting his presidency. How Barr can know that I have no idea but it sounded like a weak excuse for whatever trump did. 

More likely  dotus was frustrated by the fact that most of his officials were getting indicted.

[Anastasis 23720]

Stone materials appear redacted. 

[4th&Five 42005]

But no obstruction.

 

[Cheeseweasel 26439]

1 minute ago, Anastasis said:

Stone materials appear redacted. 

Ongoing investigation?

[Anastasis 23720]

Jr. materials redacted.

[Anastasis 23720]

Just now, Cheeseweasel said:

Ongoing investigation?

"harm to ongoing matter"

[Anastasis 23720]

Aspects that Cohen has testified to publicly redacted.

[David Dennison 19542]

Yeah, this is going to stop the bleeding.

 

[hayden_horn 11402]

Quote

IV. Conclusion

Because we determined not to make a traditional prosecutorial judgment, we did not draw ultimate conclusions about the President's conduct. The evidence we obtained about the President's actions and intent presents difficult issues that would need to be resolved if we wer making a traditional prosecutorial judgment. At the same time, if we had confidence after a thorough investigation of the facts that the President clearly did not commit obstruction of justice, we would so state. Based on the facts and the applicable legal standards, we are unable to reach that judgment. Accordingly, while this report does not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him.

 

[Cheeseweasel 26439]

Just now, Anastasis said:

Jr. materials redacted.

[Biff Tannen 46167]

uh, this seems big, no?

Edit: Derp, referring to Agalarov's father

Edited April 18, 2019 by Biff Tannen

[Chuckie Finster 23079]

Barr used the term "collusion" four times in his prepared remarks today.

Second fucking page of the report: "But collusion is not a specific offense or theory of liability found in the United States Code, nor is it a term of art in federal criminal law."

[Cheeseweasel 26439]

1 minute ago, hayden_horn said:

 

It's a solid conclusion. Congress has the ability to impeach. 

[jimmyjazz 47203]

Quote

Accordingly, while this report does not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him.

Rudy is on the case.

[David Dennison 19542]

Just now, Cheeseweasel said:

It's a solid conclusion. Congress has the ability to impeach. 

This is a road map for Congress. That's what Mueller clearly intended it to be. That's why Congress needs the whole report.

[jimmyjazz 47203]

2 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

uh, this seems big, no?

 

I think that is a reference to Agalarov's father.

[Biff Tannen 46167]

Just now, jimmyjazz said:

I think that is a reference to Agalarov's father.

Yeah I edited.  I'll let the pros handle it going forward.

[Cheeseweasel 26439]

3 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

This is a road map for Congress. That's what Mueller clearly intended it to be. That's why Congress needs the whole report.

Didn't Barr say a full report would be given to (what I assume is) the Gang of 8?

[Mojo Hand 4580]

Quick take, seems like this confirms that the Trump campaign knowingly helped Russia throw the election to him.   Whether or not technically criminal, that should be impeachable and the biggest political scandal I can remember. 

[jimmyjazz 47203]

2 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

Yeah I edited.  I'll let the pros handle it going forward.

It's still interesting.  I maintain that the Trump Tower meeting and Junior's dumbass email dump is the strongest evidence of collusion in the whole mess.

[Captainant 28539]

Just now, Cheeseweasel said:

Didn't Barr say a full report would be given to (what I assume is) the Gang of 8?

He said a "less redacted" report would be provided. Because apparently the gang of 8 can't handle highly classified materials?

[David Dennison 19542]

Just now, Mojo Hand said:

Quick take, seems like this confirms that the Trump campaign knowingly helped Russia throw the election to him.   Whether or not technically criminal, that should be impeachable and the biggest political scandal I can remember. 

Today is not a good day for the Trump administration.

[skeeter 455]

 

[jimmyjazz 47203]

Just now, Mojo Hand said:

Quick take, seems like this confirms that the Trump campaign knowingly helped Russia throw the election to him.   Whether or not technically criminal, that should be impeachable and the biggest political scandal I can remember. 

I think it's important to keep all of this straight . . . what's "this" you are referring to?  Specific statements within the report or more of a general vibe?

[WhatTheBuck 28930]

6 minutes ago, Chuckie Finster said:

Barr used the term "collusion" four times in his prepared remarks today.

Second fucking page of the report: "But collusion is not a specific offense or theory of liability found in the United States Code, nor is it a term of art in federal criminal law."

Yep. Barr's a political actor, nothing more. 

[Mojo Hand 4580]

Just now, Captainant said:

He said a "less redacted" report would be provided. Because apparently the gang of 8 can't handle highly classified materials?

It's without the grand jury stuff, which by law cannot be released.   No word though on whether Barr has asked the grand jury court for permission to release those materials, which he could easily do.