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1 minute ago, Johnny Sack said:

Watching the media react to this is amazing. This is peak cognitive dissonance.

They needed something on Trump. Anything. They staked their credibility on Trump going down. They deified Bob Mueller -- the one who will save us from orange man bad.

But when the result of two years of apparently exceptionally thorough investigation could only come up with "some of us think (and others reasonably disagree) it might have been provable as obstruction of justice if he had actually gone through with things he said he was going to do but didn't do."

What's really crazy is that this is the point of self-immolation of an entire profession. And they have no interest in putting out the fire.

This will be going on for the entire Trump presidency, no matter how long it lasts.

That's good for people who oppose Donald Trump.

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2 minutes ago, Johnny Sack said:

Watching the media react to this is amazing. This is peak cognitive dissonance.

They needed something on Trump. Anything. They staked their credibility on Trump going down. They deified Bob Mueller -- the one who will save us from orange man bad.

But when the result of two years of apparently exceptionally thorough investigation could only come up with "some of us think (and others reasonably disagree) it might have been provable as obstruction of justice if he had actually gone through with things he said he was going to do but didn't do."

What's really crazy is that this is the point of self-immolation of an entire profession. And they have no interest in putting out the fire.

How are you a functioning person with shit for brains?

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Johnny Sack

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3 minutes ago, Brian Fantana said:

God damn the irony is so thick you could cut it with a knife.

Friendly reminder that some liberals (even on this board) thought the following things:

Trump is an idiot
Its super obvious that he colluded with Russia and is a foreign agent
Trump got away with it due to technicalities and weaponizing the DOJ.
Trump did not want to win the Presidency.

All at the same time.

It must hurt to be that stupid.

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DDD Dad

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5 minutes ago, Iconoclast Texan said:

My parents didn’t flee shit. Been here a decade before revolution. Those friends of ours that did leave Iran did so legally. Thanks for playing. Our situation was nothing like the mess of migrants today.

We don't care.

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27 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

Intelligence apparatus wiping its ass with the Constitution?  We live in a world with that no longer matters.  If you think it does, you are a trumpkin who sucks Devin Nunes cock by choice. 

You are the guy who bitches about Lincoln's questionable acts while in the midst of a civil war.   Violating habeas corpus was bad, but letting the fucking slave holding traitor rebels win was worse.   Here, you focus on hating intelligence when it caught Russia working to elect a shit stain of a terrible President.     Occam's razor says that when your hated enemy wants Trump for their benefit, that should be enough evidence for any patriotic American to at least question their support of Trump - the enemy's preferred guy. 

But that was the old GOP.    That is not how you roll.

 

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Friendly reminder that some liberals (even on this board) thought the following things:

Trump is an idiot
Its super obvious that he colluded with Russia and is a foreign agent
Trump got away with it due to technicalities and weaponizing the DOJ.
Trump did not want to win the Presidency.

All at the same time.

It must hurt to be that stupid.

You should worry more about the person you quoted and what they thought rather than some fucking stupid strawman

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Longhorn_Fan68

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4 minutes ago, Johnny Sack said:

Friendly reminder that some liberals (even on this board) thought the following things:

Trump is an idiot
Its super obvious that he colluded with Russia and is a foreign agent
Trump got away with it due to technicalities and weaponizing the DOJ.
Trump did not want to win the Presidency.

All at the same time.

It must hurt to be that stupid.

dude, the Mueller report literally said all of those things. so if we thought it, it's probably because it was true.

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Anastasis

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3 minutes ago, Gatorubet said:

 But that was the old GOP.    That is not how you roll.

I remember the old Shaggy, where things like warrantless wiretaps and abuses of the intelligence community were considered almost universally offensive.  IG report should be fun. Steele has refused to cooperate with the IG....cause wait for it...he feels that it would be inappropriate as a foreign intelligence operative to engage with an FBI investigation.  LOL. Good fucking times man. You can't make this shit up. 

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12 minutes ago, Johnny Sack said:

Watching the media react to this is amazing. This is peak cognitive dissonance.

They needed something on Trump. Anything. They staked their credibility on Trump going down. They deified Bob Mueller -- the one who will save us from orange man bad.

But when the result of two years of apparently exceptionally thorough investigation could only come up with "some of us think (and others reasonably disagree) it might have been provable as obstruction of justice if he had actually gone through with things he said he was going to do but didn't do."

What's really crazy is that this is the point of self-immolation of an entire profession. And they have no interest in putting out the fire.

Why am I not surprised your simple brain is getting almost all the facts wrong?

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1 minute ago, SuingToGetAMessageBoard? said:

The report is fascinating and should be read by everyone.  It's a great cut through the fog.  My favorite parts are Trump telling everyone to do ridiculous stuff and Christie/McGahn giving him the ohokayjlaw.gif and completely ignoring him.

yup. we effectively have no president

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If your take after looking at Mueller's report is that there are going to be lots and lots of dems who will be going to jail for a long, long time, then yeah, you probably shouldn't be making fun of anyone's intelligence.

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14 minutes ago, Johnny Sack said:

But when the result of two years of apparently exceptionally thorough investigation could only come up with "some of us think (and others reasonably disagree) it might have been provable as obstruction of justice if he had actually gone through with things he said he was going to do but didn't do."

Again. This is not what the report says at all. Muller went to great lengths to explain that the SCO took an approach that would never result in a conclusion that POTUS had obstructed justice, but that it would have reached a conclusion that he hadn't if the evidence established that he hadn't. 

Read it for yourself:

We first describe the considerations that guided our obstruction-of-justice investigation,and then provide an overview of this Volume:

First, a traditional prosecution or declination decision entails a binary determination to initiate or decline a prosecution, but we determined not to make a traditional prosecutorial judgment. The Office of Legal Counsel (OLC) has issued an opinion finding that the indictment or criminal prosecution of a sitting President would impermissibly undermine the capacity of the executive branch to perform its constitutionally assigned functions in violation of the constitutional separation of powers. Given the role of the Special Counsel as an attorney in the Department of Justice and the framework of the Special Counsel regulations, see 28 U.S.C. 515;28 C.F.R. § 600.7(a), this Office accepted OLC's legal conclusion for the purpose of exercising prosecutorial jurisdiction. And apart from OLC's constitutional view, we recognized that a federal criminal accusation against a sitting President would place burdens on the President's capacity to govern and potentially preempt constitutional processes for addressing presidential misconduct.

Second, while the OLC opinion concludes that a sitting President may not be prosecuted,it recognizes that a criminal investigation during the President's term is permissible. The OLC opinion also recognizes that a President does not have immunity after he leaves office. And if individuals other than the President committed an obstruction offense, they may be prosecuted at this time. Given those considerations, the facts known to us,and the strong public interest in safeguarding the integrity of the criminal justice system,we conducted a thorough factual investigation in order to preserve the evidence when memories were fresh and documentary materials were available.

Third we considered whether to evaluate the conduct we investigated under the Justice Manual standards governing prosecution and declination decisions, but we determined not to apply an approach that could potentially result in a judgment that the President committed crimes. The threshold step under the Justice Manual standards is to assess whether a person's conduct constitutes a federal offense .U.S.Dep't of Justice, Justice Manual§ 9-27.220 (2018) (JusticeManual). Fairness concerns counseled against potentially reaching that judgment when no charges can be brought. The ordinary means for an individual to respond to an accusation is through a speedy and public trial, with all the procedural protections that surround a criminal case. An individual who believes he was wrongly accused can use that process to seek to clear his name. In contrast,a prosecutor's judgment that crimes were committed, but that no charges will be brought, affords no such adversarial opportunity for public name-clearing before an impartial adjudicator. The concerns about the fairness of such  a determination would be heightened in the case of a sitting President, where a federal prosecutor's accusation of a crime,even in an internal report,could carry consequences that extend beyond the realm of criminal justice. OLC noted similar concerns about sealed indictments. Even if an indictment were sealed during the President's term, OLC reasoned, it would be very difficult to preserve [an indictment's]secrecy, and if an indictment became public,[t]he stigma and opprobrium could imperil the President's ability to govern. Although a prosecutor's internal report would not represent a formal public accusation akin to an indictment, the possibility of the report's public disclosure and the absence of a neutral adjudicatory forum to review its findings counseled against potentially determining that the person's conduct constitutes a federal offense. Justice Manual§9-27.220.

Fourth, if we had confidence after a thorough investigation of the facts that the President clearly did not commit obstruction of justice, we would so state. Based on the facts and the applicable legal standards, however, we are unable to reach that judgment. The evidence we obtained about the President's actions and intent presents difficult issues that prevent us from conclusively determining that no criminal conduct occurred. Accordingly, while this report does not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him.

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Again. This is not what the report says at all. Muller went to great lengths to explain that the SCO took an approach that would never result in a conclusion that POTUS had obstructed justice, but that it would have reached a conclusion that he hadn't if the evidence established that he hadn't. 

Read it for yourself:

 

 

Worthless effort. Clearly the Mueller Report doesn't say what it says.

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49 minutes ago, EMAWesome said:

So does his mom.

 

 

At least I'm not filled with hatred (snarkiness yes, sarcasm yes, hate no) which is more than I can say for a lot of the hypocrites on this board.

But what would you do if Barry Switzer were at the other end of the bar?

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3 minutes ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

Worthless effort. Clearly the Mueller Report doesn't say what it says.

You know that feeling you get when you learn you were wrong about something?  Kind of a "well, I'm glad I got straightened out on that, I really should have done more homework, that's kinda embarrassing" perspective?
 

Yeah, Johnny Sack doesn't have any idea how that feels.

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9 minutes ago, Johnny Sack said:

You guys have 481 pages worth of delusion.  Now the report is released and you're in the denial stage.

Says the guy who gave 10k to every Harris county Republican in the last election. Did you get a good return on that investment?

Trumps a criminal. There is now proof of it.  The only people still in denial are trumpkins like yourself. 

But I agree he won’t be impeached because the Republican Party is a criminal enterprise now as well. All thanks to dear leader. 

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2 minutes ago, JimmyJames said:

Says the guy who gave 10k to every Harris county Republican in the last election. Did you get a good return on that investment?

Trumps a criminal. There is now proof of it.  The only people still in denial are trumpkins like yourself. 

But I agree he won’t be impeached because the Republican Party is a criminal enterprise now as well. All thanks to dear leader. 

I did not do that.  Obsess much?

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David Dennison

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Says the guy who gave 10k to every Harris county Republican in the last election. Did you get a good return on that investment?

Trumps a criminal. There is now proof of it.  The only people still in denial are trumpkins like yourself. 

But I agree he won’t be impeached because the Republican Party is a criminal enterprise now as well. All thanks to dear leader. 

But there will be lots of impeachment hearings. They just aren't going to be called impeachment hearings. 

Lots of folks are going to be making a trip to the Hill.

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14 minutes ago, SuingToGetAMessageBoard? said:

Also, despite the refrain that Trump's administration is just a bunch of retards, it seems like while Trump is an indisputable retard, he has some decent advisers.

He has advisors who don’t want to go to jail for him.   Or find their careers completely ruined.  

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3 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

Triple, do you feel any sense of regret for your role in gaslighting this forum with conspiracy nonsense for the last 2+ years?

Gaslighting is when you deliberately attempt to make others feel they are crazy.  Which is exactly what you are repeatedly engaging in with your "delusional" gibberish.  Own it dude.

Outside of that, what specifically originated from me that's now off the table ?  All indications are that everything is still progressing.  Hilariously, that also still includes Carter Page Phd's foibles in Russia on behalf of Trump after the election.  

You referencing a couple humorous random bits from Louise Mensch that were posted once are not representative of anything I have consistently held in my mind about Trump and GOP betraying our country.

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