The Robert Mueller Investigation

[horncyclist 1386]

 

Every statement in this is inaccurate.

[Johnny Sack 8397]

1 minute ago, elguapo said:

#FakeNews the Mueller report very clearly establishes collusion. Be happy your guy was able to wriggle his way out of another jam, no need to lie about it.

It does?  Where?  Can you post the parts where collusion is clearly established?

[GHOSTUSER 361]

49 minutes ago, SubliminalHorn said:

You’re a huge piece of shit. I almost want the far right populists to take total control just so they march your fucking ass either into a camp or out of the country. You’re brown. You’re a second class citizen to them. You don’t make yourself sound smarter parroting their bullshit. You just sound fucking pathetic. Cocksucker. 

I LOVE bullshit like this. It shows complete lack of any real counter to the need to control illegal immigration. Can you give me citation to back up your claim that I’d be subject to the scary Republican concentration camp in your dystopian future? It’s either some Nazi allusion or simple we hate brown people response. You’re a brain dead white liberal and are actually racist towards me because you expect me to toe the line of wanting unchecked immigration because of my background. Liberals go after people like me and Candace Owens even harder than other right wingers because we don’t conform to the identity based bullshit grouping you want us to stay in. That’s racism.

No one in the Trump Administration is attacking the illegals because of their race or ethnicity. They are poor, uneducated people coming illegally. That’s the fucking problem. It’s like you’re expecting the GOP will be instituting the Nuremberg Laws. Let me let you in on something, lots of US born 2nd or 3rd generation children of legal immigrants want immigration controlled. Talk to the Cuban-Americans in Florida and Mexican Americans with means. Lots of them agree with me. 

Edited April 18, 2019 by Iconoclast Texan

[henrygandorf 29174]

12 minutes ago, retread said:

There is def an argument for going ahead with impeachment. Make the Rs in the Senate argue the case for Cheeto.

they don't really have to argue, they just have to vote.  and they won't.

i guess i just don't see the point.  right now, the dems are being painted as whiny crybabies who won't let shit go.  this will help that argument with literally zero chance of removing him.

we got 19 months guys, let's get it together.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23356]

1 minute ago, horncyclist said:

4 minutes ago, Enchubben said:

 

Every statement in this is inaccurate.

Well she does work for a Trump propaganda network 

[Johnny Sack 8397]

Just now, Iconoclast Texan said:

I LOVE bullshit like this. It shows complete lack of any real counter to the need to controlling illegal immigration. Can you give me citation to back up your claim that I’d be subject to the scary Republican concentration camp in your dystopian futur?. You can’t. No one in the Trump Administration is attacking the illegals because of their race or ethnicity. They are poor, uneducated people coming illegally. That’s the fucking problem. It’s like your expecting the GOP will instituting the Nuremberg Laws. Let me let you in on something, lots of US born 2nd or 3rd generation children of legal immigrants want immigration controlled. Talk to the Cuban-Americans in Florida and Mexican Americans with means. Lots of them agree with me. 

We did have a concentration camps once.  But that was a Democrat.

[ChiTownDoc 21098]

16 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

I like gifs? [postsaniliketacosmanpicture]

My position on all this nonsense has been pretty clearly laid out in numerous posts and restatements here. Typically in response to being called a treasonous traitor to the republic for calling out the right out nonsense and hysteria here and the scat site. I said that Trump would likely go down for financial crimes related to international real estate.  I didn't anticipate porn start payouts, and that was clearly a deficit in imagination. You need me to call out Barr for being a hack?  OK. He's a fucking hack. I am not sure his hack ass has infringed the power of the House to impeach.  I wish they would.  I am way fucking upside down in that market but committed to riding it out at this point.

Sorry about the gifs.  They bring me joy.

 

I’m good with that but you’re clearly not as neutral as you see yourself.  All good.  

[jimmyjazz 45554]

I think h-gandorf's rhetorical question is on point.  I get why Trump isn't bitching about Russian meddling in our elections -- there is zero doubt a great deal if not most or all of his bread is buttered with Russian dairy products.

But why aren't other Republicans pitching a fit over election interference?  Is it because they have hitched their wagon to Der Furor, or is it more nefarious, and they're actually in the same financial cahoots?

The Russia --> NRA --> DC pipeline isn't a figment of our imaginations.  It probably crosses the aisle, too.

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5 minutes ago, henrygandorf said:

they don't really have to argue, they just have to vote.  and they won't. 

Thinking back to Clinton, there was the trial in the House with R and D 'lawyers.' So arguments would definitely be made in the House. I was thinking maybe there were some closing arguments in the Senate before the vote. I may be wrong on that. 

Edited April 18, 2019 by retread

[Anastasis 23394]

1 minute ago, ChiTownDoc said:

I’m good with that but you’re clearly not as neutral as you see yourself.  All good.  

Of course I am not neutral.  I staked out a position wrt conspiracy and coordination a couple years ago.  That position was that the Trump campaign was not capable of coordinating among themselves, much less with a foreign entity to overthrow our democracy by posting pictures of LGBTQ Bernie on twitter. In response I was told that #bothsides went to Prague and similar such nonsense.    

[henrygandorf 29174]

1 minute ago, retread said:

Thinking back to Clinton, there was the trial in the House with R and D 'lawyers.' So arguments would definitely be made in the House. I was thinking maybe there were some closing arguments in the Senate before the vote. I may be wrong on that. 

i have no real recollection of that process, so you could totally be right.  what i was saying is that the argument doesn't really mean shit, even if they technically have to.  we don't have the votes and never ever will.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23356]

Really seems like wishful thinking that we’re going to have a free and fair election in 2020 after today when Trump can openly encourage foreign governments to commit crimes to get re-elected and suffer absolutely no consequences. 

[troph 24562]

I’m pissed.

In a fb convo with my conservative dad and he’s unwilling and immune to reason.

Quotes from the report are met with “hogwash you’re just mad he’s conservative” and more.

Mueller basically says I can’t prosecute but congress can, here are the factual circumstances that could be obstruction and I can’t conclude that trump didn’t commit crimes.

You know what? Bring the judiciary committee process to a quick conclusion and proceed with impeachment.

I don’t give a rats ass if it isn’t politically viable or isn’t the political savvy thing to do.

Do the right thing goddammit!

[henrygandorf 29174]

6 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

I get why Trump isn't bitching about Russian meddling in our elections -- there is zero doubt a great deal if not most or all of his bread is buttered with Russian dairy products.

but he should be, right? 

even if literally everyone knows it's political theater (some won't figure it out for a while).  it helps his bullshit story if he acts pissed off and it plays to his base.  if he redirected some (fake) anger at russia (instead of at the left) it would play amazingly.  for that reason alone, i hope he doesn't do it.

[GHOSTUSER 361]

10 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

But why aren't other Republicans pitching a fit over election interference?  Is it because they have hitched their wagon to Der Furor, or is it more nefarious, and they're actually in the same financial cahoots?

Because we have weeded out the RINOs save for a few that are remaining. Unfortunately, their ranks were added by Romney but they’re nearly extinct. I’d rather have a Democrat that we can attack than a RINO. Republicans punch back and no longer apologize for everything like RINOs did. That’s why has the highest approval rating amongst Republicans in recent memory.

Edited April 18, 2019 by Iconoclast Texan

[jimmyjazz 45554]

2 minutes ago, Iconoclast Texan said:

Because we have weeded out the RINOs save for a few that are remaining. Unfortunately, their ranks were added by Romney. I’d rather have a Democrat to go after than a RINO

So you're going with the angle that current Republicans aren't concerned with external election interference?

OK, if that's the way you think it should be played.

God damn you are truly simple.

[troph 24562]

they don't really have to argue, they just have to vote.  and they won't.
i guess i just don't see the point.  right now, the dems are being painted as whiny crybabies who won't let shit go.  this will help that argument with literally zero chance of removing him.
we got 19 months guys, let's get it together.

No.

Take the mic from Barr and fulfill your constitutional obligation. You can’t say trump is a constitutional crisis and that he is breaking the law and not fulfill your own duties. It is my position that the House is obligated to pursue this for the preservation of the rule of law.

[henrygandorf 29174]

Just now, jimmyjazz said:

So you're going with the angle that current Republicans aren't concerned with external election interference?

OK, if that's the way you think it should be played.

God damn you are truly simple.

exactly.  you can't have it both ways.

either you have to accept that trump worked with russia, or you have to at least act pissed off and concerned.

[retread 2951]

11 minutes ago, henrygandorf said:

i have no real recollection of that process, so you could totally be right.  what i was saying is that the argument doesn't really mean shit, even if they technically have to.  we don't have the votes and never ever will.

Agree. Rs in the Senate would never convict. One positive of impeachment would be making the Rs (prob in the House) argue for Trump and justify his actions.

I think I misspoke. There may be some brief, concluding statments in the Senate, but the majority of the arguments occur in the House.

Edited April 18, 2019 by retread

[notre dame joe 172]

6 hours ago, Foosters said:

Let's play a game. Imagine every time the above has the word "president" in it, it is referring to Obama. Does your above statement change?

No. Obama's Wingman Eric Holder would assure the special counsel is removed by never appointing one.

4 hours ago, henrygandorf said:

ok, so i'm trying to pay attention but also get a little tiny bit of work in, so i'm behind.

it seems as if he didn't obstruct justice "officially" because the underlings didn't follow his orders to obstruct justice.  while earlier i asked if "attempted obstruction" is a thing, i think the more accurate assessment is "conspiracy to obstruct justice" which i'm pretty damn sure is a thing.  has this been discussed?  he obviously has a history of instructing his people to do illegal things for him - a bunch are already going to jail for it.

secondly, i know the metaphors with the pawn shops and how "receiving stolen goods" is a crime, but receiving stolen/hacked info used in a conspiracy to defraud the public to win an election (see clip below) is somehow not a crime, because the administration didn't technically "ask" or "organize" the front end of the theft.  but what if somehow they took his campaign "hey russia, can you please hack this for me..." and presumed he was legit asking, since within 5 hours, they starting hacking?

it's not really something, but it sure seems like it's not nothing.  if that makes sense.

 

There's a freedom of speech that does not extend to hot watches.

[jimmyjazz 45554]

1 minute ago, troph said:

No.

Take the mic from Barr and fulfill your constitutional obligation. You can’t say trump is a constitutional crisis and that he is breaking the law and not fulfill your own duties. It is my position that the House is obligated to pursue this for the preservation of the rule of law.

I don't completely disagree, but I'd like to see them establish more facts in public via hearings with Mueller & Barr before initiating impeachment proceedings.  I'm on board with getting there soon enough -- early summer, perhaps -- but the House majority needs to be careful and set things up to reveal the Senate as the festering coffee klatch of sycophantic shitbags they are, or at least as is reasonably possible.

[notre dame joe 172]

https://legalinsurrection.com/2019/04/on-your-mark-get-set-mueller-report/

 

btw on the 15th William Jacobson predicted all of today's headlines.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23356]

Two unbelievable findings or lack of findings in Volume 1 of the Mueller Report:

1.  Papadopolus told NO ONE in the Trump campaign that Russia had Hillary’s emails.

2.  J.D. Gordon completely took it upon himself to change the GOP platform language to be more pro Russia because he FELT it would have better synergy with Trump’s campaign messaging. 

[elguapo 4583]

22 minutes ago, Johnny Sack said:

It does?  Where?  Can you post the parts where collusion is clearly established?

Manafort regularly shared polling data with Russian intel operative

Trump Tower meeting

"Russia if you're listening"

Trump orders Flynn to find missing HRC emails. Flynn contacts individuals who are exploring liaising with foreign intelligence services to obtain said emails

Papadap trying to set up a meeting b/w Trump and Putin while aware of the Russia email hack

 

[triplehorn 2664]

3 minutes ago, henrygandorf said:

they don't really have to argue, they just have to vote.  and they won't.

i guess i just don't see the point.  right now, the dems are being painted as whiny crybabies who won't let shit go.  this will help that argument with literally zero chance of removing him.

we got 19 months guys, let's get it together.

I've long maintained that Mueller's ongoing prosecutions, which are now under the purview of EDNY, SDNY, EDVA, DC US Atty, etc. will have to penetrate GOP Congress/RNC on joint corruption with Trump before a sufficient sense of urgency is generated to make Senate GOP budge.  Dems can't control that, but waiting for it in the near term as they bring in Barr then Mueller, and gain access to the unredacted report makes a lot of sense 

Speaking of urgency, wonder what the timeline is on this from Michael Cohen and his Atty:

Spoiler

 

Things could snowball pretty damn quickly going forward.  Dems are not being unwise to pace themselves right now.

[Mojo Hand 4580]

3 minutes ago, elguapo said:

Manafort regularly shared polling data with Russian intel operative

Trump Tower meeting

"Russia if you're listening"

Trump orders Flynn to find missing HRC emails. Flynn contacts individuals who are exploring liaising with foreign intelligence services to obtain said emails

Papadap trying to set up a meeting b/w Trump and Putin while aware of the Russia email hack

 

Just to name a few.  The report establishes both collusion and obstruction, just not criminality based on the collusion.  Dems should move to impeach quickly, but won't because they are pussies. 

[Horn Under a Bad Sign 20343]

22 minutes ago, Iconoclast Texan said:

Because we have weeded out the RINOs save for a few that are remaining.

 

You got a lifelong Democrat elected President.

[Foosters 17730]

13 minutes ago, notre dame joe said:

No. Obama's Wingman Eric Holder would assure the special counsel is removed by never appointing one.

 

Ladies and gentlemen, this is a coward's response.

[GHOSTUSER 361]

17 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

So you're going with the angle that current Republicans aren't concerned with external election interference?

OK, if that's the way you think it should be played.

God damn you are truly simple.

No one wants another country to manipulate our election. Y’all were dreaming that you could pin Trump directly colluding with Russia, that he was a puppet on a string. You’re dreams have been dashed and instead grasping at obstruction straws. We’re not going to turn on our President for that weak assed shit. 

[hobbes2702 12804]

Yea we don’t care that our president committed crimes. Someone put Hillary in a cell

As usual, you’re just a fucking moron

Edited April 18, 2019 by hobbes2702

[David Dennison 18655]

38 minutes ago, Johnny Sack said:

We did have a concentration camps once.  But that was a Democrat.

We have them now, and he's a Republican.

[TexArcher 37508]

52 minutes ago, henrygandorf said:

right, of course.  and use of the word "war" was intentional, but my question was probably more rhetorical.

my real question is - if the russians attacked us (which they did) and trump was not involved (which he keeps claiming) then why isn't he screaming bloody murder about all the retribution he's going to get?  why aren't we making threats?  maybe we are doing the normal amount of counter-intelligence and spying and who the f knows, but you'd think at least for appearances, our president (who just got "fully exonerated") would be making big blowhard speeches while waving his fist saying "they won't fucking get away with this!"  i mean shit, that's what i'd do.  it would fire the fuck up out of his base and everyone else who's been trained to hate russia for decades.

if you were a staunch republican, and you believed every word out of his mouth, wouldn't you be screaming for retribution? 

I'm pretty sure I understand why Trump isn't furious at Russia.  Putin's meddling helped Trump win the White House; even if no one from Trump's camp was involved, they probably knew and definitely benefitted.  And Trump admires Putin and is dumb enough to think it's mutual.  He's not pissed at Putin because in his mind that's his buddy and his business partner.  Part of why Trump won't release his tax returns is because they'll show gains from hedge funds that are most certainly profitting in Russia.  And Trump has probably laundered money for Russian oligarchs who are loyal to Putin.  Etc.  He's not mad at Putin because he can't be and he doesn't want to be anyway. 

As for why isn't the average Republican pissed off at Russia?  Because Fox News hasn't told them to be.

[Onboard 2.0 9083]

14 minutes ago, elguapo said:

Manafort regularly shared polling data with Russian intel operative

Trump Tower meeting

"Russia if you're listening"

Trump orders Flynn to find missing HRC emails. Flynn contacts individuals who are exploring liaising with foreign intelligence services to obtain said emails

Papadap trying to set up a meeting b/w Trump and Putin while aware of the Russia email hack

 

THAT is a bizarro thing. Why would he do that ?

[GHOSTUSER 361]

1 hour ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

 

Need to get Ilhan Omar to be a lead sponsor as well. Radicals seeking impeachment will help burnish that this is a witch hunt. Y’all are making this too easy for us.

[Jack Straw 2953]

2 hours ago, Johnny Sack said:

You are such a pussy for negging people in the politics forum.  

The politics board is not your personal safe space to proudly display what a habitually dishonest, racist piece of garbage you are without internet “consequence.”  You’re going to have to learn to live with the blowback you rightfully get here for being a low life racist and party over country traitor.  Constantly whining about it exposes you further as being a gigantic pussy on top of the rest of it. 

[David Dennison 18655]

Just now, Iconoclast Texan said:

Need to get Ilhan Omar to be a lead sponsor as well. Radicals seeking impeachment will help burnish that this is a witch hunt. Y’all are making this too easy for us.

Robert Mueller accused the president of breaking the law and this is the best you can do?

[troph 24562]

20 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

I don't completely disagree, but I'd like to see them establish more facts in public via hearings with Mueller & Barr before initiating impeachment proceedings.  I'm on board with getting there soon enough -- early summer, perhaps -- but the House majority needs to be careful and set things up to reveal the Senate as the festering coffee klatch of sycophantic shitbags they are, or at least as is reasonably possible.

I agree.  I think they move swiftly but completely with a review of documents, Barr and Mueller testimony and follow through with subpoenas needed for testimony and documents.  These hearings should be public.  and then based on oversight committee hearing finding, pursue impeachment.  politically make the republicans say nope.  constitutionally, fulfill your duty.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23356]

2 minutes ago, Onboard 2.0 said:

THAT is a bizarro thing. Why would he do that ?

Because he’s a compromised Kremlin operative? 

[henrygandorf 29174]

10 minutes ago, Iconoclast Texan said:

No one wants another country to manipulate our election. Y’all were dreaming that you could pin Trump directly colluding with Russia, that he was a puppet on a string. You’re dreams have been dashed and instead grasping at obstruction straws. We’re not going to turn on our President for that weak assed shit. 

your.

[GRHorn 105]

3 hours ago, ChiTownDoc said:

What's you guys?  I'm not a Democrat.  I've also never seen this level of lying bullshit from any President from either party.  It's a fucking disgrace.  And his AG not even pretending to be neutral?  Do you know anything about separation of powers?  

I’m not convinced that you do. 

[Zonahorn 8079]

1 hour ago, Iconoclast Texan said:

You are a gigantic cunt that likes to neg. Bitch

LMAO, you are the whiniest bitch on the board and you negged first

[Hugo Stiglitz 23356]

So let’s say there wasn’t people getting in the way of Trump obstructing justice, so then what? We just live with tyranny and deal with it?  

Seems like a horrible legal defense. 

[retread 2951]

9 minutes ago, troph said:

I agree.  I think they move swiftly but completely with a review of documents, Barr and Mueller testimony and follow through with subpoenas needed for testimony and documents.  These hearings should be public.  and then based on oversight committee hearing finding, pursue impeachment.  politically make the republicans say nope.  constitutionally, fulfill your duty.

And these long delays aren't helping the House Ds get the truth out there. Mueller should be testifying next week (week after at the latest).

Edited April 18, 2019 by retread

[Bama Chick 28596]

Hmmmmm. This footnote sure sounds like Mueller taking a position.

[Onboard 2.0 9083]

8 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Because he’s a compromised Kremlin operative? 

Yeah, I'm gonna have to disagree on that one u less there's something Mueller has up his sleeve as a special report 

[henrygandorf 29174]

14 minutes ago, TexArcher said:

I'm pretty sure I understand why Trump isn't furious at Russia.

obviously he's not.  that's the point.  if he was telling the truth, he would be.  so i'm kinda surprised he hasn't acted that way to keep the narrative.

  Putin's meddling helped Trump win the White House; even if no one from Trump's camp was involved, they probably knew and definitely benefitted.

haven't you heard?  trump won one of the greatest electoral college victories of all time.  he definitely didn't have any help doing so - it was totally legit.  no chance he would give them any credit, even if the mueller report proved it was rigged and he was in handcuffs right now.  zero chance.

[elguapo 4583]

4 minutes ago, henrygandorf said:

obviously he's not.  that's the point.  if he was telling the truth, he would be.  so i'm kinda surprised he hasn't acted that way to keep the narrative.

 

Why are you surprised? Putin owns Trump, isn't that clear to you by now?

[Rimbo 25778]

1 hour ago, Anastasis said:

Yeah, I'm not a fan of the idea, either, but then, I wasn't a fan of the direction the GOP has gone under Trump, either. They're kinda pissing all over the ideals of Family Values and Limited Government that used to be principles of the GOP. Instead, we have an adulterer and a liar whose goal is to become a dictator, and they're more than happy to have him.

Be careful what you wish for, Trump supporters... you may very well get it. And what happens when a Democrat becomes president and exercises the same powers you're so happy to see Trump expanding? Will you be so happy, then? Letting Congress limit the power of the President is a good thing.

[henrygandorf 29174]

1 minute ago, elguapo said:

Why are you surprised? Putin owns Trump, isn't that clear to you by now?

nevermind.  i've never claimed he should actually be pissed off.  i know he's right where he wants to be.

i'm just saying for the sake of his narrative + political theater, it seems to make sense that he should act angry, but never has (at russia).  if this was a movie, and we had no other backstory, we would expect our president to address the nation and make threats.  he's been tweeting today, but why is he only tweeting about democrats and being framed?  why isn't he tweeting about the dirty russians and keeping our future elections safe and the future of democracy that we all hold so dear?

eh, maybe he will and i'll be happy to have some closure on the idiocy.

[elguapo 4583]

Just now, henrygandorf said:

nevermind.  i've never claimed he should actually be pissed off.  i know he's right where he wants to be.

i'm just saying for the sake of his narrative + political theater, it seems to make sense that he should act angry, but never has (at russia).  if this was a movie, and we had no other backstory, we would expect our president to address the nation and make threats.  he's been tweeting today, but why is he only tweeting about democrats and being framed?  why isn't he tweeting about the dirty russians and keeping our future elections safe and the future of democracy that we all hold so dear?

eh, maybe he will and i'll be happy to have some closure on the idiocy.

Because it's better for Putin if everyone knows he's Trump's daddy.