The Robert Mueller Investigation

[JimmyJames 12271]

Trump did commit crimes. The Mueller report proves it. Trumpkins don’t give a shit, because they suck. 

Not really much more to analyze than that. 

[Hornius Emeritus 12415]

1 hour ago, SuingToGetAMessageBoard? said:

Many watch Fox not for news but to get the argument for the side they already believe. 

Everybody, on both sides, does this. It's called confirmation bias. Few of us are willing to entertain notions that don't reinforce what we already believe.

[David Dennison 18651]

32 minutes ago, Zavala said:

He's been accused of treason for two years, viciously attacked and lied about, constantly. Now a $35M investigation with 3 years of spying finds no evidence of collusion with Russia. He is saying these things to trigger you.

That's not what the report said at all.

[Bash Riprock 1695]

 

 

 

4 minutes ago, JimmyJames said:

Trump did commit crimes. The Mueller report proves it. Trumpkins don’t give a shit, because they suck. 

Definition of insanity. 

[Chrispy 132]

31 minutes ago, 2005 said:

Weren't you the one who said some illegal immigrant crashed into your cul de sac, thus they commit crimes.

Well the public doesn't care about that particular crime so it's time you move on. Apparently the statute of limitations of crimes is fluctuating public interest. 

You people have cited the rubric that a crime is a crime re illegals and you cannot reward criminals for crossing the border by allowing them to stay. 

Yet you excuse felonies by a president. According to 600 federal prosecutors. 

You've therefore lost your voice forever re illegals, your hypocrisy has invalidated your whole original purpose for supporting Trump. I never want to hear another goddamn word about the unforgivable crime of border crossing again. If Gallup doesn't care, I don't. 

And this is what happens when you support Trump. He devours your soul. He negates you by indoctrination into the indefensible. You've lost your whole value structure. Your words and principles are emptied. Looted.  Like junk bonds.

You don't care about laws. Just Trump's megla-maniacal survival.

You are officially a tool. A lackey. A flunkey. A bitch. To Trump. To Russia. To the one percent. To the NRA. To the military industrial complex. To Evangelical con artists. To the grifter class. To the opportunistic mafia.

Haven't you seen the Sopranos. Or Goodfellas  You let these people in, they'll steal your industry then burn your world down and they will collect your life's work. And abuse you with laughter. This is how Don and Don Jr behave. 

The Bush people let Wall St steal the American Dream in an oil & property grab. Pompeo is talking about exploiting the melted Arctic. Rapaciously.

You cannot recognize crime when you see it. But you know who can! The FBI. 

The Bush people destroyed the CiA and the Trump people are destroying the FBI. Law and order is fragile. And so is the Constitution. These conservative judges will see to it that America is a memory. A slogan on a cheap hat made by slaves in China 

Put on your flag pin. Raise your flag. War with a patsy is next. The revolution will not be televised. It will be tweeted by Russian trolls. 

You sound just like them. So what if you are real, you have to follow their logic to support the communication of your beliefs.  They've walked you through the rhetorical labyrinth to a dead chess game. Russian death plays chess using you as the opponent. A dried skeleton of a man with a Maga hat on. Ready player none. It's a monopoly ending. And you are the guy on 5th Avenue. Paying for hotels everywhere. In Moscow. In DC. Who cares.

"So what!". You say. It's your epitaph. "Sew what?" Says your kid and grandkids. Sew your allotment of cheap hats, you slave.  

It'll cover the bullet embedded in Daddy's skull. The Mafia plus Russia probably killed JFK & RFK. Now they are the DOJ.  

The FBI came to your rescue. And they were fired and demonized and told to shut up, it's over. Less they be themselves investigated and arrested. 

America. It's over. No pardons.

Equality! Life! Liberty! The pursuit of happiness! Freedom! Justice! The American way! A nation of laws, not men!

Nevermind all that. The world has moved on from that nonsense. All that matters is reality. New Zealand & Pittsburgh etc showed us that nobody (not even the righteous) can stop a speeding bullet and the only one among us who can leap a tall building (in Manhattan or Moscow or Mandalay Bay) is the criminal developer of our new casino planet. 

The one who rebrands America with his own gilded logo, that's the guy. Worship him and worship his kids. The hit men will shoot the pretender's legs out from under him. Dance, spider, dance. Let him be found in a spider hole later and hung. 

The rest of us will hurdle - from a burning building, like dumb angels. Toppled by demolition to make way for the new phallic symbol. The Towering Inferno of descending bullets and bodies will become an hilarious meme.

A crime excused by time, and distraction, and polling, and stonewalling and an Attorney General who wants to strangle "his baby". Wrapped up in a blanket and executed, for the executive branch.

Build that Stone Wall

If there are any heroes left, maybe the transsexuals are it. Heroes and Heroines, in One. Fell. Swoop. Maybe that's why Trump wants to throw them out of the military.

Anyway - there may still be a revolution worth televising.

 

No, my wife’s vehicle was struck by an intoxicated illegal alien. But of course we moved on; illegals driving without a drivers license is unfortunately all too common. 

The collusion delusion is over. If you’re having difficulties letting go, then I believe Surly is the perfect place to indulge your fantasy. 

[Chooky 13302]

2 minutes ago, Chrispy said:

The collusion delusion is over.

A lot of people who spent most of their lives prosecuting federal crimes, federal prosecutors, are saying the president committed crimes.  They're probably all idiots.

[bolverk 29397]

12 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

This is where the hysteria became counterproductive.  Across a variety of media outlets in the mainstream, "Trump Russia Collusion" was built up into a grand coordinated conspiracy revolving around everything from brokerage rights, to coordinated micro targeting and content delivery, to the Trump campaign straight up funding and organizing the hacking efforts under the control of the Kremlin.  This is not Mensch shit, this is the shit that was trafficked every fucking night on MSNBC and CNN, with shit heads like Clapper and Brennan on the payroll promising the viewers an insider perspective and a final barrage of indictments that catch up Trump family and all the treasonous collaborators. This shit was built up in a way to set expectations of extreme malfeasance that had an extremely small probability of being proved up. It played out in media, it played out on this very thread, and there are people here who are still working through their stages of grief over it. They set up a let down. The expectations so high such that the end result, a buffoon narcissist surrounded by some corrupt operators and a bunch of bumbling amateurs trying to work any number of self-serving angles w/ort to the consequence or potential implications instead of working through the right established protocols and screens, just doesn't resonate with the same impact that it would have without all the noise that was created.  People have tuned out, literally. Viewership is down.  And dipshits like Hugo who gassed this fucking place out for 2+ years ask "Who is an honest broker of information in your view?" without a single sense of self-awareness. 

And, yet, my text you quoted is clearly outlined in the report. You're on record for not disputing those findings. Yeah, maybe it's not collusion, but what the hell does one call that activity? My vocabulary is maybe a bit limited but the descriptors in the Queen's English would seem to suggest something along the lines of colluding, conspiring, coordinating or some other co- word, regardless of what is translated into legalese. I'm obviously not a lawyer but am hard-pressed to come up something else to describe Trump and his campaign's actions vis-a-vis the Kremlin, which is a different question than how it might relate to election law.

If you can come up with a different one-word descriptor, I'm all ears.

[Chrispy 132]

Just now, Chooky said:

A lot of people who spent most of their lives prosecuting federal crimes, federal prosecutors, are saying the president committed crimes.  They're probably all idiots.

Yeah, and a lot don’t. If you guys want to continue the delusion, well, I say I have at it. It’s entertaining on my end and will help the Republicans tremendously. 

[bolverk 29397]

1 minute ago, Chrispy said:

Yeah, and a lot don’t. If you guys want to continue the delusion, well, I say I have at it. It’s entertaining on my end and will help the Republicans tremendously. 

Do you disagree with the findings of the Mueller report?

[Anastasis 23393]

10 minutes ago, bolverk said:

 If you can come up with a different one-word descriptor, I'm all ears.

My post has nothing to do with the descriptors, it has the to with the broad unfulfilled expectations and the resulting political reality. The hysteria set up a situation where the events you describe don't register, and political cover to turn the other way on obstruction has been provided to the GOP in the Senate. Some people used terms along the way like "focus on real shit people" to signal the set up.  They were shouted down as treasonous traitors to the republic, and confronted with brainless #bothsides quips.  

Edited May 7, 2019 by Anastasis

[Chrispy 132]

2 minutes ago, bolverk said:

Do you disagree with the findings of the Mueller report?

Not particularly, I suspected it would be a flop from the very beginning. 

[jimmyjazz 45546]

39 minutes ago, TtomTerrific said:

only eight pages.

your catalog is strong though....just wanted to keep this specific to this thread and its last few pages. 

 

 

 

 

 

Lulz.  You need to learn what "race-baiting" is.

[jimmyjazz 45546]

13 minutes ago, Chrispy said:

Yeah, and a lot don’t.

Prove it.

[TtomTerrific 200]

you are doing your best to demonstrate for all of us. 

 

how's that working out?

[jimmyjazz 45546]

1 minute ago, TtomTerrific said:

you are doing your best to demonstrate for all of us. 

 

how's that working out?

You don't know the definition.  Figures.  I have never race-baited in my life.

[bolverk 29397]

4 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

My post has nothing to do with the descriptors, it has the to with the broad unfulfilled expectations and the resulting political reality. The hysteria set up a situation where the events you describe don't register, and political cover to turn the other way on obstruction has been provided to the GOP in the Senate. Some people used terms along the way like "focus on real shit people" to signal the set up.  They were shouted down as treasonous traitors to the republic, and confronted with brainless #bothsides quips.  

Conspire, collude, coordinate may not "register" with folks who don't follow this shit, but he was found to have expected help, sought help, asked for help, knew that help was happening, assisted that help, and capitalized on that help. You've agreed to all that. Our "unfulfilled" expectations were due to the political system being so broken that ONE SIDE refuses to acknowledge those facts and is actively working to OBSTRUCT the investigation.

[bolverk 29397]

18 minutes ago, bolverk said:

Do you disagree with the findings of the Mueller report?

 

12 minutes ago, Chrispy said:

Not particularly, I suspected it would be a flop from the very beginning. 

Glad to know that you agree that Trump expected help, sought help, asked for help, knew that help was happening, assisted that help, and capitalized on that help. The only "flop" is the flaccid penis of the Republican Party to do anything about protecting the checks and balances of the American political system.

[TtomTerrific 200]

 

 

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2 hours ago, BradInATX said:

Ttom, are you going to answer my question?

What percentage of neo-Nazis do you think are Trump supporters, in your best estimation?

what?

I am neither a Trump supporter nor a Nazi...I have no idea.

What percentage of ANITFA are fascists in your best estimation?

what percentage of them could actually win a fist fight?

take the loss, pussy. 

[TtomTerrific 200]

18 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

You don't know the definition.  Figures.  I have never race-baited in my life.

you have in the example given and are anxious to do it again in some insane attempt to win back the populist sensibilities, while the entire thing is backfiring on you, politically. 

Edited May 8, 2019 by TtomTerrific

[BradInATX 9208]

what?
I am neither a Trump supporter nor a Nazi...I have no idea.
What percentage of ANITFA are fascists in your best estimation?
what percentage of them could actually win a fist fight?
take the loss, pussy. 

So you're just talking out your ass. Got it.

[Chrispy 132]

5 minutes ago, bolverk said:

 

Glad to know that you agree that Trump expected help, sought help, asked for help, knew that help was happening, assisted that help, and capitalized on that help. The only "flop" is the flaccid penis of the Republican Party to do anything about protecting the checks and balances of the American political system.

If only there were an investigation that could’ve brought charges for all of this supposed collusion. Move on from this nonsense with your sanity intact. 

[SubliminalHorn 6673]

I thought Ttom was in rehab or something

[bolverk 29397]

10 minutes ago, Chrispy said:

If only there were an investigation that could’ve brought charges for all of this supposed collusion. Move on from this nonsense with your sanity intact. 

The evidence was passed on to Congress for their disposal to determine appropriate charges but Barr interfered with the catch.

[TtomTerrific 200]

10 minutes ago, BradInATX said:

13 minutes ago, TtomTerrific said:

what?
I am neither a Trump supporter nor a Nazi...I have no idea.
What percentage of ANITFA are fascists in your best estimation?
what percentage of them could actually win a fist fight?
take the loss, pussy. 

So you're just talking out your ass. Got it.

what are you talking about?  I have never made any statement about the relationship between Trump supporters and Nazis.

If I had to guess..since there is a two party system firmly entrenched and the left insists upon identity politics driving the narrative, that those who are not in favor with the left are now galvanized in an equally ugly way in a fight back, and they outnumber the leftist white guy "enlightened" assholes who have NO skin in the game, are going to elect someone like Donald Trump, in a landslide, ....twice......mostly out of hate and leftist white guy "enlightened" assholes with nothing to lose will  remain convinced that doing the same shit, no matter how many times Lucy pulls back the football, is their best play and we will start looking at specious attempts at impeachment and removal of the electoral college....cuz that must be it. 

[Biff Tannen 45491]

1 hour ago, bolverk said:

The evidence was passed on to Congress for their disposal to determine appropriate charges but Barr interfered with the catch.

Why do y'all keep responding?  They know this, they are not debating in good faith, and are only here to troll and spout lies.

[BradInATX 9208]

what are you talking about?  I have never made any statement about the relationship between Trump supporters and Nazis.
If I had to guess..since there is a two party system firmly entrenched and the left insists upon identity politics driving the narrative, that those who are not in favor with the left are now galvanized in an equally ugly way in a fight back, and they outnumber the leftist white guy "enlightened" assholes who have NO skin in the game, are going to elect someone like Donald Trump, in a landslide, ....twice......mostly out of hate and leftist white guy "enlightened" assholes with nothing to lose will  remain convinced that doing the same shit, no matter how many times Lucy pulls back the football, is their best play and we will start looking at specious attempts at impeachment and removal of the electoral college....cuz that must be it. 

You tried to act like you dunked on a poster above because there might be 1 or 2 nazis that voted for Hillary. Then I asked you how many you thought there were, and you said you don't. Which means your entire premise was full of shit.

[Chrispy 132]

6 minutes ago, bolverk said:

The evidence was passed on to Congress for their disposal to determine appropriate charges but Barr interfered with the catch.

Ah, the new spin after the report flopped. 

[JimmyJames 12271]

1 hour ago, Chrispy said:

No, my wife’s vehicle was struck by an intoxicated illegal alien. But of course we moved on; illegals driving without a drivers license is unfortunately all too common. 

The collusion delusion is over. If you’re having difficulties letting go, then I believe Surly is the perfect place to indulge your fantasy. 

Bless your heart. Maybe if you had been helping drive your wife around instead of flying around piloting your private jet, then that illegal alien drunken disaster wreck could have been averted.

Do you realize you are the most obvious troll on this board who consistently spouts out a bunch of nonsense? Did the illegal aliens cause your daughter to get sick all night too causing you to lose your precious sleep? Maybe it was the measles and the lack of vaccines. 

You really should just give it up. Not sure what you are trying to accomplish here other than mild annoyance but I can assure you it aint workin. 

 

Edited May 8, 2019 by JimmyJames

[Hugo Stiglitz 23356]

On this page no one will quote a troll...dammit too late

[bolverk 29397]

 

 

 

3 minutes ago, TtomTerrific said:

what are you talking about?  I have never made any statement about the relationship between Trump supporters and Nazis.

If I had to guess..since there is a two party system firmly entrenched and the left insists upon identity politics driving the narrative, that those who are not in favor with the left are now galvanized in an equally ugly way in a fight back, and they outnumber the leftist white guy "enlightened" assholes who have NO skin in the game, are going to elect someone like Donald Trump, in a landslide, ....twice......mostly out of hate and leftist white guy "enlightened" assholes with nothing to lose will  remain convinced that doing the same shit, no matter how many times Lucy pulls back the football, is their best play and we will start looking at specious attempts at impeachment and removal of the electoral college....cuz that must be it. 

Please provide your definition of "identity politics" by comparing and contrasting White Nationalism and Judeo-Christian values with the Civil Rights movement and Secularism.

[TtomTerrific 200]

I "dunked on a poster?"

I am going to need to know more about that....I am staunchly anti-personal attack here until just this last two weeks wherein I have discovered that that is completely acceptable here as a means of "I have no rebuttal"

I can palm a basketball and could grab the rim while in college, but I am not sure that "dunking on a poster" makes any sense to me.

Unless it was Fooster....I would dunk on his bitch ass any day, any time. 

The pussification of this board and its movement left are not discrete energies, in my "estimation"

But I never said shit about Nazis.

[bolverk 29397]

6 minutes ago, Chrispy said:

Ah, the new spin after the report flopped. 

That flop you keep citing is the sound of the Republican Party's dick on your tongue.

[JimmyJames 12271]

8 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

On this page no one will quote a troll...dammit too late

On this page, I will only quote trolls...

[Chrispy 132]

4 minutes ago, JimmyJames said:

Bless your heart. Maybe if you had been helping drive your wife around instead of flying around piloting your private jet, then that illegal alien drunken disaster wreck could have been averted.

Do you realize you are the most obvious troll on this board who consisntly spouts out a bunch of nonsense? Did the illegal aliens cause your daughter to get sick all night too causing you to lose your precious sleep? Maybe it was the measles and the lack of vaccines. 

You really should just give it up. Not sure what you are trying to accomplish here other than mild annoyance but I can assure you it aint workin. 

 

I don’t pilot or own a private jet, the Cessna is a turboprop twin-engine. It’s nothing fancy, trust me. My daughter is doing amazing, just turned 2 years old, did you get the invite to her party? 

I’m not annoying you? I find that very hard to believe Jimmy, very hard. 

[JimmyJames 12271]

Just now, Chrispy said:

I don’t pilot or own a private jet, the Cessna is a turboprop twin-engine. It’s nothing fancy, trust me. My daughter is doing amazing, just turned 2 years old, did you get the invite to her party? 

I’m not annoying you? I find that very hard to believe Jimmy, very hard. 

No Chrispy, I didn’t get an invite. You must have the wrong address.

Oh sometimes you annoy me just a little bit. So not to worry. Job well done.

But not really and  for the most part I enjoy trolling you and recognize you for what you are, so any annoyance quickly fades. 

It’s just fascinating to me that your entire purpose here seems to troll and attempt to annoy the board, but to what end? It’s not like you ever post anything substantive here, even in support of dear leader. If you have, please point that post out so we can all see it. Because I never have seen it once. 

Anyway. Troll on Chrispy troll. The internet needs people like you. Apparently. 

[Chrispy 132]

7 minutes ago, bolverk said:

That flop you keep citing is the sound of the Republican Party's dick on your tongue.

That’s the second time you’ve mentioned Republican penis to me. We seem to be uncovering a deeply rooted pathology here. 

[jimmyjazz 45546]

49 minutes ago, TtomTerrific said:

you have in the example given and are anxious to do it again in some insane attempt to win back the populist sensibilities, while the entire thing is backfiring on you, politically. 

You're a moron.  That's not race-baiting.  Do some fucking homework.

[David Dennison 18651]

1 minute ago, Chrispy said:

That’s the second time you’ve mentioned Republican penis to me. We seem to be uncovering a deeply rooted pathology here. 

What's the pathology?

[Chrispy 132]

2 minutes ago, JimmyJames said:

No Chrispy, I didn’t get an invite. You must have the wrong address.

Oh sometimes you annoy me just a little bit. So not to worry. Job well done.

But not really and  for the most part I enjoy trolling you and recognize you for what you are, so any annoyance quickly fades. 

It’s just fascinating to me that your entire purpose here seems to troll and attempt to annoy the board, but to what end? It’s not like you ever post anything substantive here, even in support of dear leader. If you have, please point that post out so we can all see it. Because I never have seen it once. 

Anyway. Troll on Chrispy troll. The internet needs people like you. Apparently. 

That’s too bad, I sent it to the sanitarium, I thought the orderlies would inform you. 

[JimmyJames 12271]

1 minute ago, Chrispy said:

That’s too bad, I sent it to the sanitarium, I thought the orderlies would inform you. 

BURN!!!!

[JimmyJames 12271]

Lol Chrispy. I knew you weren’t American. You should bring back your pal tjhooker instead who took his ball and went home. 

[bolverk 29397]

8 minutes ago, Chrispy said:

That’s the second time you’ve mentioned Republican penis to me. We seem to be uncovering a deeply rooted pathology here. 

I'm thrilled to hear you're coming to terms with it but knew you had it in you. So very proud to know that I played a part in you living your truth and can't wait to hear your story soon.

God bless.

[TtomTerrific 200]

2 hours ago, jimmyjazz said:

You're a moron.  That's not race-baiting.  Do some fucking homework.

allowing the race baiter to define race baiting while denying his race baiting seems irresponsible. 

Edited May 8, 2019 by TtomTerrific

[TtomTerrific 200]

you interject racial conflict into almost every argument that you lose where it has no relevance, as a drowning man lashes violently for some sort of life preserver... thus co-opting an actual sociological pathology for your selfish political "gotchya" moment on a message board.  All you do with that is marginalize the actual victims of racism and get someone like Donald Trump elected in a landslide. 

 

nice work 

 

 

[David Dennison 18651]

Landslide?

[TexEx15 17456]

4 hours ago, Zavala said:

He's been accused of treason for two years, viciously attacked and lied about, constantly. Now a $35M investigation with 3 years of spying finds no evidence of collusion with Russia. He is saying these things to trigger you.

Oh poor Trump attacked and lied about...  GTFO with that bullshit.  That’s Trump’s MO and you are acting like he’s the victim?  To you and anyone whom feels that was I say fuck you!

[Chooky 13302]

2 hours ago, Chrispy said:

Yeah, and a lot don’t. If you guys want to continue the delusion, well, I say I have at it. It’s entertaining on my end and will help the Republicans tremendously. 

I don't believe for a moment that any of this is entertaining to you.  I think it gives you a bit of anxiety knowing that your best weapon against a group who you despise is a bumbling fraud as a businessman who is completely unable to be consistently truthful even about inconsequential details as a president.  The guy is a complete mediocrity in the realm of business and he's fighting for his life to conceal the financial records that will prove that.  At best.  At best he's breaking the most common norms of a system built on checks and balances to hide the fact that he regularly lost large amounts of other people's money.  You support the destruction of basic aspects of democracy so a con artist rube who has spent most of his life cultivating a celebrity profile can save himself from the embarrassment of truth. 

And the best you can hope for is that he's fighting so desperately to hide the fact that he's a mediocre mind rather than an overt criminal.  Staunch conservatives who have spent their lifetime as prosecutors are saying he has committed crimes.  There will always be handfuls of wanks who will say otherwise, especially on cable news, but I think you and everyone else are perfectly aware of why you're especially narrow and selective on whose opinion you value there. 

You quoted me in a post and used the word "delusion" while insisting that a report exonerated him when it clearly did not.  Trump is currently shitting his pants and fighting the public testimony of a guy whose report he claims completely exonerates him.  And you've just decided, based on the word of a guy who lies almost everyday, to believe him instead of showing slight curiosity to see if the guy who exonerated him will in fact exonerate him.  What's at stake is the separation of powers and whether there are particular people in this country who are above the law.  You're claiming that people are delusional while supporting a person fighting a war to hide specific realities.  You aren't entertained.  You're emotionally invested in a guy who lies on a comical level and it gives you angst that the momentum for transparency is surging.

[TexEx15 17456]

3 hours ago, Chrispy said:

Not particularly, I suspected it would be a flop from the very beginning. 

The only people to whom the report “flopped” is you and people of your ilk.

[Anastasis 23393]

Long form chooky posts bring heat. 

[tucker 238]

Good job Ds