The Robert Mueller Investigation

[Hugo Stiglitz 23356]

They had to switch campaign managers because the press about him being a Russian agent couldn’t be suppressed. 

Otherwise, Manafort would have been on board until Election Day.

[Judge Roybeanbag 11796]

6 minutes ago, Incredulity said:

Because I don’t believe Trump could “collude” with Russians to steal the election and that “collusion” be something that takes a year to uncover?

No, because you simply refuse to believe anything else despite the mounting evidence, because it goes against your partisan mindset.  

Edited May 11, 2018 by Judge Roybeanbag

[Judge Roybeanbag 11796]

We could tell you sky is blue, and you would say nah, it’s green and Hillary and Obama faked it!  

[Incredulity 11532]

I honestly don’t care if Mueller gets Trump or not.

I don’t buy the Mueller supercop long game narrative.   He is going to end up with a comprehensive report of innuendo, carelessness and amateur hour campaign shit that will garner a collective yawn and alot of consternation on MSNBC.

 

[Judge Roybeanbag 11796]

Why do you think Ryan announced his retirement 2 days after Cohen was raided?  Does it matter that Broidy was RNC finance chairman? Does it bother you Cohen was vice chairman?  Just asking questions.  

[Judge Roybeanbag 11796]

You’re a disingenuous twat or a retard. Or both. 

I wrote that before your last reply. At least you acknowledge it isn’t right. 

Edited May 11, 2018 by Judge Roybeanbag

[Brian Fantana 6654]

8 minutes ago, Incredulity said:

I honestly don’t care if Mueller gets Trump or not.

I don’t buy the Mueller supercop long game narrative.   He is going to end up with a comprehensive report of innuendo, carelessness and amateur hour campaign shit that will garner a collective yawn and alot of consternation on MSNBC.

 

You obviously don't care. Obviously. 

[ShaggyBevo RIP 3867]

3 hours ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

 

Lordy Cohen is an idoit. Your shit just got raided and you should have understood all your communications are being monitored and you write that email? 

[Incredulity 11532]

Actually quite candid and forthcoming.  

Trump is and was winging it.  At this point there is going to have to be smoking gun evidence directly on Trump to end his presidency.  He sure as fuck isn’t resigning over payment to Stormy or one of his kids talking to Russians.  

 

 

[Brisketexan 104465]

Actually quite candid and forthcoming.  
Trump is and was winging it.  At this point there is going to have to be smoking gun evidence directly on Trump to end his presidency.  He sure as fuck isn’t resigning over payment to Stormy or one of his kids talking to Russians.  
 
 

Hint...he won’t resign if there’s video of him giving Putin our nuclear codes for a briefcase full of gold.

[deech 2251]

35 minutes ago, Incredulity said:

Actually quite candid and forthcoming.  

Trump is and was winging it.  At this point there is going to have to be smoking gun evidence directly on Trump to end his presidency.  He sure as fuck isn’t resigning over payment to Stormy or one of his kids talking to Russians.  

 

 

The fucking Russians paid Cohen directly to pay off hush money payments to Stormy Daniels and others during the height of the campaign.  What the fuck else do you need?  

[Incredulity 11532]

13 minutes ago, deech said:

The fucking Russians paid Cohen directly to pay off hush money payments to Stormy Daniels and others during the height of the campaign.  What the fuck else do you need?  

Something beyond the word of Stormy Daniels attorney.  

[David Dennison 18608]

2 minutes ago, Incredulity said:

Something beyond the word of Stormy Daniels attorney.  

Are bank records OK? Suspicious Activity Reports?

[Hugo Stiglitz 23356]

Incredulity is a decent troll.

Someone’s gotta do it while Swam is MIA.

[David Dennison 18608]

1 minute ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Incredulity is a decent troll.

Someone’s gotta do it while Swam is MIA.

Team Trump cracks me up.

[deech 2251]

13 minutes ago, Incredulity said:

Something beyond the word of Stormy Daniels attorney.  

So New York Times allege they reviewed the bank records and confirm it:

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/08/us/politics/michael-cohen-shell-company-payments.html

 

That work - or now do we need a Fox news review of the bank records?

[Incredulity 11532]

It is unclear whether that or any of the other transactions were improper, but Mr. Avenatti has asserted that Mr. Cohen’s use of Essential Consultants potentially violated banking laws. The financial records indicate that at least some of the money that passed through Essential Consultants was from sources and in amounts that were inconsistent with the company’s stated purpose.

 

 

[Anastasis 23375]

8 minutes ago, deech said:

So New York Times allege they reviewed the bank records and confirm it:

 https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/08/us/politics/michael-cohen-shell-company-payments.html

 

That work - or now do we need a Fox news review of the bank records?

I am behind the paywall, so can you please quote the section where the linked article confirms "The fucking Russians paid Cohen directly to pay off hush money payments to Stormy Daniels..."

[Hugo Stiglitz 23356]

Even if that’s proven true, it’s not like some Russian spies got together with Trump and his campaign staff in a hotel room and discussed how best to work together on defeating Hillary Clinton during the campaign.

Until that’s proven true, NO COLLUSION!

Edited May 11, 2018 by Hugo Stiglitz

[Incredulity 11532]

5 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

I am behind the paywall, so can you please quote the section where the linked article confirms "The fucking Russians paid Cohen directly to pay off hush money payments to Stormy Daniels..."

Narrator 

It doesn’t.

Edited May 11, 2018 by Incredulity

[Jhawkmvp 1488]

32 minutes ago, Incredulity said:

Something beyond the word of Stormy Daniels attorney.  

 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23356]

Solid thread

 

 

[Anastasis 23375]

5 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Solid thread

 

 

Sounds like Mueller overplayed his hand. 

[David Dennison 18608]

Just now, Anastasis said:

Sounds like Mueller overplayed his hand. 

Does it?

[Anastasis 23375]

Just now, David Dennison said:

Does it?

When the case was filed in February, many legal experts viewed it as a so-called "name-and-shame" indictment, filed to call public attention to the alleged crimes and to make international travel more difficult for the defendants, but with no real expectation that any defendant was likely to show up in court. The Russian firm's appearance could be seen as an effort to call prosecutors' bluff by forcing them to proceed to a trial they never expected to have to put on.

 

 

 

 

[Jim Tom Pinch 120]

9 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

Sounds like Mueller overplayed his hand. 

It only sounds like it because that’s exactly what he did.

[Gil Bang 25865]

get back to me when he dismisses the charges.

[TwiceHorn 31184]

That is fascinating.  I suppose none of the individual defendants would ever appear as they would not be extradited even if convicted, which I guess everybody, including Mueller, knew and expected.

 

But the corporation, which isn't subject to imprisonment, only fine (and that I suppose dubiously enforceable itself), appears and presses the issue.

 

 

No harm to Mueller really to dismiss the corporate defendants.

Edited May 11, 2018 by TwiceHorn

[David Dennison 18608]

6 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

 

 

 

 

 

 

Thanks. That point about discovery is a good one.

Mueller will have quite a bit of egg on his face if they drop the case.

Edited May 11, 2018 by David Dennison

[Equinox 95]

6 minutes ago, Jim Tom Pinch said:

It only sounds like it because that’s exactly what he did.

 

Exactly. The biggest result of the indictments was to give Mueller a chance to say "look, I'm indicting people". But now his bluff has been called.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23356]

2 minutes ago, Gil Bang said:

get back to me when he dismisses the charges.

If I were Mueller, I’d dismiss the charges against this one company and get on with prosecuting the confederate traitors.

The purpose of the indictment was to inform the public of the Russian interference.

That purpose has already been served.

 

[David Dennison 18608]

Just now, Equinox said:

Exactly. The biggest result of the indictments was to give Mueller a chance to say "look, I'm indicting people". But now his bluff has been called.

Poor Mike Flynn.

[Incredulity 11532]

6 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

That is fascinating.  I suppose none of the individual defendants would ever appear as they would not be extradited even if convicted, which I guess everybody, including Mueller, knew and expected.

 

But the corporation, which isn't subject to imprisonment, only fine (and that I suppose dubiously enforceable itself), appears and presses the issue.

 

 

No harm to Mueller really to dismiss the corporate defendants.

Is the last sentence sarcasm?

Mueller dropping charges is a death rattle.  It paints any subsequent charges as questionable.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23356]

Man, the fucking stupid showed up real quick in this thread.

[Anastasis 23375]

Just now, Hugo Stiglitz said:

If I were Mueller, I’d dismiss the charges against this one company and get on with prosecuting the confederate traitors.

The purpose of the indictment was to inform the public of the Russian interference.

That purpose has already been served.

 

hmm, so what you are saying essentially is that Mueller indictments only serve political purposes, and can/should be withdrawn after they execute those ends. 

[TwiceHorn 31184]

Question.  Can you try an individual who never makes an appearance personally?  Ordinarily, they are grabbed by marshals and detained or bailed with conditions to secure their appearance.

 

It they are outside the reach of marshals, as Russians likely would be, they won't appear and there cant be any proceedings, pretrial or trial, as far as I know.  So then what happens?  At some point the judge has to say, apprehend these defendants or get this shit off my docket.

Edited May 11, 2018 by TwiceHorn

[SuingToGetAMessageBoard? 3861]

4 minutes ago, Equinox said:

 

Exactly. The biggest result of the indictments was to give Mueller a chance to say "look, I'm indicting people". But now his bluff has been called.

Got eeeeeem!

[TwiceHorn 31184]

1 minute ago, Incredulity said:

Is the last sentence sarcasm?

Mueller dropping charges is a death rattle.  It paints any subsequent charges as questionable.

Dismissing the case against the corporation is not that big a deal as long as the individual defendants remain under the gun.  However, in retrospect, it appears to be a tactical error to have charged a corporation in the first place.  Charging Arthur Andersen is one thing (and probably dumb enough in and of itself), but charging and convicting some fly-by-night corporation run by rooskies serves no purpose at all, really.

[SuingToGetAMessageBoard? 3861]

People are tried in absentia all the time. 

[Jim Tom Pinch 120]

5 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Man, the fucking stupid showed up real quick in this thread.

I was thinking the exact same thing.

[TwiceHorn 31184]

4 minutes ago, SuingToGetAMessageBoard? said:

People are tried in absentia all the time. 

That is after they have made an appearance at arraignment and fail to appear for trial or other proceedings. Or get kicked out because they're assholes. If they never show up at all, I don't think you can proceed.

Edited May 11, 2018 by TwiceHorn

[Hugo Stiglitz 23356]

Just now, TwiceHorn said:

That is after they have made an appearance at arraignment and fail to appear for trial or other proceedings.  If they never show up at all, I don't think you can proceed.

You can in Russia. They tried a dead guy.

His name was Magnitsky 

[FUBAR 4]

43 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

Poor Mike Flynn.

That’s the point you overly educated clowns don’t get.  VERY few folks have the economic resources to fight the feds on a prosecution and not end up in bankruptcy.  So, do you go Roger Clemens and spend a million or two to “clear your name” or do you just fold up the tent and be dishonored forever?  Put yourself in Flynn’s shoes and make your choice.  You already lost either way.  

[JimmyJames 12271]

40 minutes ago, Jim Tom Pinch said:

I was thinking the exact same thing.

Surlys traffic must be going up. The trolls have started to appear. Good sign for the site as a whole. 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23356]

3 minutes ago, FUBAR said:

That’s the point you overly educated clowns don’t get.  VERY few folks have the economic resources to fight the feds on a prosecution and not end up in bankruptcy.  So, do you go Roger Clemens and spend a million or two to “clear your name” or do you just fold up the tent and be dishonored forever?  Put yourself in Flynn’s shoes and make your choice.  You already lost either way.  

Or just don’t be a fucking lying criminal?

[JimmyJames 12271]

1 hour ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Incredulity is a decent troll.

Someone’s gotta do it while Swam is MIA.

No he’s not. His trolling sucks. It’s like he’s on the comments section of Fox News.

Swam was a master troller. I’ve never seen one better. Had everyone convinced he was a UT alum, hell maybe he is, and had completely mastered the start new thread hit and run troll tactic. The guy says he was a teacher. He could teach us all about the art of trolling. He was the yoda Jedi of trolling. 

[hayden_horn 11360]

Are corporations people or not?

[FUBAR 4]

7 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Or just don’t be a fucking lying criminal?

 

7 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Or just don’t be a fucking lying criminal?

Hugo, I didn’t know you were such a zealous defender of the Logan Act. Because that’s about all Flynn may have violated.  Lying criminals (Page, Cohen, Comey, McCade, Clinton, Trump, etc) should all get what’s coming to them once we can prove they broke the law.  

No perjury trap BS. You either have them or you don’t.  Otherwise, this is all bread and circus for the 2018 midterms.  

[Hugo Stiglitz 23356]

Swam got way too many bites and objectively that made him a successful troll but Incredulity is more covert in his approach.  He genuinely doesn’t give a fuck and just wants to stir the pot.

Swam actually believed much of his bullshit and thought there was a Shaggy liberal cabal out to get him.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23356]

2 minutes ago, FUBAR said:

 

Hugo, I didn’t know you were such a zealous defender of the Logan Act. Because that’s about all Flynn may have violated.  Lying criminals (Page, Cohen, Comey, McCade, Clinton, Trump, etc) should all get what’s coming to them once we can prove they broke the law.  

No perjury trap BS. You either have them or you don’t.  Otherwise, this is all bread and circus for the 2018 midterms.  

Flynn was an unregistered paid agent of Turkey and Russia.

He was also outed as a Russian asset by the Deputy Attorney General who testified under oath publicly that he was susceptible to blackmail by the Russians.

But don’t let these facts hurt your feelings.