The Robert Mueller Investigation

[staboner 4956]

is this the show?

are we winning again?

happy whatever day this is

[JimmyJames 12271]

1 hour ago, Anastasis said:

Senate is not going to remove from office.  You needed definitive evidence of conspiring with Russia to get the GOP Senate to flip.  You need the brokerage, Trump funding Romanian hackers, Cohen coordinating with Prague shit for that.  But the House should still impeach. There is political value to getting GOP Senators on the record that wide spread obstruction of justice is acceptable. Doesn't matter the context of that obstruction. At this point, 2020 Senate races are in play.  That is the political calculus. What is the most damaging position that you can put Republican incumbents in. The most damaging political position is to make them deliberate removal from office and fail to act. 

A clever gif would have been much more persuasive. Next time stick with that. 

 

[henrygandorf 29174]

14 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

You misinterpreted what I was saying. The Senate will never vote to convict, ever.  That doesn’t mean starting the impeachment process is a win for Trump or the Republicans.  In fact, it’s possible it removes Trump via election loss or resignation without the Senate ever taking a vote.  It depends on how good the democrats make the case.  They don’t even have to vote to impeach in the House, they could create an unbearable environment for republicans where Trump resigning is the best option for the GOP or get annihilated in the 2020 election.  

They have the tools to try to make this happen but I’m counting on them to fuck it up. 

Of course, the right thing to do is to begin the impeachment process now because the facts demand it. 

fair enough.

i still think party line gives them proper cover so the heat won't get too hot.

there's a really good chance that the right supported a criminal and conman all the way til the end and never ends up paying for it.

oh, and absolutely zero chance he resigns.  zero point zero.

[jimmyjazz 45538]

There is a nonzero chance that plenty of Republican senators are in deep with some of the same shady sources of funding that Trump has dealt with for years.  Forget "the party", they're trying to protect "their asses".

[Anastasis 23390]

28 minutes ago, tantric superman said:

You just need some evidence of obstruction.  It's in the report.

I agree, but that is not how this works.

imgur

[Anastasis 23390]

19 minutes ago, staboner said:

is this the show?

 

 

[Anastasis 23390]

20 minutes ago, JimmyJames said:

A clever gif would have been much more persuasive. Next time stick with that. 

 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23356]

21 minutes ago, henrygandorf said:

oh, and absolutely zero chance he resigns.  zero point zero

Trump doesn’t strike me as someone that would fight to the death.  

The only way I see Trump leaving is through resignation.  It’s the only way Pence can pardon him if he loses in 2020. 

[Anastasis 23390]

1 minute ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Trump doesn’t strike me as someone that would fight to the death.  

 The only way I see Trump leaving is through resignation.  It’s the only way Pence can pardon him if he loses in 2020. 

Yeah, you don't understand NPD. 

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14 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

There is a nonzero chance that plenty of Republican senators are in deep with some of the same shady sources of funding that Trump has dealt with for years.  Forget "the party", they're trying to protect "their asses".

Agree. The R Senators def want to get re-elected, so staying behind Trump helps. But the spaghetti entanglements of the R Congressmen and the incriminating details have to be a big motivator. Friends of friends who know what you've done in the past.

It would not be surprising if some Rs have let Trump in on the family secrets about where the bodies are buried, and they know he will burn it (and them) to the ground if they betray him.

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[jimmyjazz 45538]

4 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Trump doesn’t strike me as someone that would fight to the death.  

The only way I see Trump leaving is through resignation.  It’s the only way Pence can pardon him if he loses in 2020. 

I can't see him resigning.  It opens him up to possible prosecution.

[henrygandorf 29174]

8 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Trump doesn’t strike me as someone that would fight to the death.  

The only way I see Trump leaving is through resignation.  It’s the only way Pence can pardon him if he loses in 2020. 

lol ok.

there is talk that trump may not leave peacefully if/when voted out of office.  and you think he's gonna quit and voluntarily leave?

nfw.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23356]

2 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

I can't see him resigning.  It opens him up to possible prosecution.

Nah, he’ll get a pass if he resigns.  Prosecuting a former president isn’t a great idea either.  Think about it.  How would the country react if Obama got perp walked under a Bill Barr DOJ? 

[Anastasis 23390]

Just now, henrygandorf said:

There is talk that trump may not leave peacefully if/when voted out of office.  and you think he's gonna quit and voluntarily leave?

Logical consistency is a high fucking bar to set around here. 

[jimmyjazz 45538]

1 minute ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Nah, he’ll get a pass if he resigns.  Prosecuting a former president isn’t a great idea either.  Think about it.  How would the country react if Obama got perp walked under a Bill Barr DOJ? 

 

You're mighty confident about things you can't possibly predict.

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[Upgrayedd 5804]

It is gonna end like Nixon

[henrygandorf 29174]

2 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Nah, he’ll get a pass if he resigns.  Prosecuting a former president isn’t a great idea either.  Think about it.  How would the country react if Obama got perp walked under a Bill Barr DOJ? 

he won't resign, because that's what guilty people do, and he doesn't think he did anything wrong.

he'll never publicly acknowledge any crime, any wrongdoing, and he'll never apologize, even in shackles (obviously it'll never get to that).

[Hugo Stiglitz 23356]

1 minute ago, jimmyjazz said:

 

You're mighty confident about things you can't possibly predict.

I don’t know what will happen but there’s a precedent for an outlaw president.  And Trump is a huge pussy compared to Nixon. 

[jimmyjazz 45538]

8 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

I don’t know what will happen but there’s a precedent for an outlaw president.  And Trump is a huge pussy compared to Nixon. 

Nixon was pardoned by Ford shortly after leaving office.  His malfeasance was all Federal.  Pence would not be able to pardon Trump for state or local crimes.  

Again, we're in new territory.  Would Trump escape prosecution?  Possibly.  There have to be prosecutable crimes to start with.  Would the threat of prosecution keep him from resigning?  It's certainly possible.

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[Hugo Stiglitz 23356]

It would be kinda awesome if this story ends with Trump fleeing to North Korea to build luxury beachfront hotels.

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[henrygandorf 29174]

10 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

I don’t know what will happen but there’s a precedent for an outlaw president.  And Trump is a huge pussy compared to Nixon. 

nixon had shame.  whatever is in the human body that produces shame, is something trump does not have.

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10 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

It would be kinda awesome if this story ends with Trump fleeing to North Korea to build luxury beachfront hotels.

I'm still hoping for the midnight run to Russia on AF1 with the whole Trump klan, including SHS and all the rest. Never to return again.

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[FondrenRoad 4378]

1 hour ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

You misinterpreted what I was saying. The Senate will never vote to convict, ever.  That doesn’t mean starting the impeachment process is a win for Trump or the Republicans.  In fact, it’s possible it removes Trump via election loss or resignation without the Senate ever taking a vote.  It depends on how good the democrats make the case.  They don’t even have to vote to impeach in the House, they could create an unbearable environment for republicans where Trump resigning is the best option for the GOP or get annihilated in the 2020 election.  

They have the tools to try to make this happen but I’m counting on them to fuck it up. 

Of course, the right thing to do is to begin the impeachment process now because the facts demand it. 

Resign?  Lol.  Trump could go on a killing spree caught on film and he wouldn't resign and the Senate wouldn't remove him. Mueller would just sit on his hands saying the same shit too. 

We are pretty much a dictatorship now. The Senate is like the one Maduro installed in Venezuela. It won't go against Trump for any reason whatsoever.  He could absolutely do anything he wants. 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23356]

Because Trump could never be bribed or blackmailed into resigning.

[jimmyjazz 45538]

Sometimes you just need to go with the most obvious answer.  Trump is a narcissist who may be suffering from dementia, he probably doesn't even think he's done anything wrong, and his bootlicking minions sure are reinforcing that idea.  I would be absolutely shocked to see him resign.  It's just so far down the list of probable actions.  Hell, he knows he's not gonna get removed from office either by a Senate impeachment conviction or by 25A -- why in the hell would he resign?  It's just crazy talk.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23356]

How does he leave office?

Death? Peaceful transfer of power? Resignation? Or removed by the Senate? 

Those are your options. 

[UTEX_ME 4754]

Death is more likely than resignation or removed by Senate. 

[jimmyjazz 45538]

Just now, Hugo Stiglitz said:

How does he leave office?

Death? Peaceful transfer of power? Resignation? Or removed by the Senate? 

Those are your options. 

Could be death, could be on January 20, 202X, perhaps under escort by the Feds.  Those two are FAR FAR FAR more likely than resignation or conviction.

[sachick 1189]

Yeah, God forbid they actually put the country above their personal ambitions.  That would be, like, doing their fucking duty. 

I want an impeachment hearing so that when it gets to the senate all these assholes who are putting party over country have to go on record stating they support Trump and everything he’s done. Let the history books remember them as cowards.

[sachick 1189]

Trump will never resign. Ever. Aggys are more likely to win a MNC than Trump resigning.

[henrygandorf 29174]

33 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Because Trump could never be bribed or blackmailed into resigning.

he's basically being bribed into staying president right now.

so no, he could never be bribed or blackmailed into resigning.

he's more likely to get assassinated.

[triplehorn 2664]

1 hour ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Nah, he’ll get a pass if he resigns.  Prosecuting a former president isn’t a great idea either.  Think about it.  How would the country react if Obama got perp walked under a Bill Barr DOJ? 

Prosecuting a former president for presidential crimes is one thing.  But Trump Org RICO, for example, would be something else.  NY DA likely has Donald, Eric, Jr, and Ivanka by the short hairs.  CFO Weisselberg got an immunity deal.  Cohen raid.  Pecker immunity.  It's just going to be too much to overcome.

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14 minutes ago, sachick said:

I want an impeachment hearing so that when it gets to the senate all these assholes who are putting party over country have to go on record stating they support Trump and everything he’s done. Let the history books remember them as cowards.

Consolidated, impeachment hearings will focus all questions and answers in one place. The Ds can put together a list of established facts and misdeeds by Cheeto. They can repeat those over and over to the American people and impeach if they want.

[JimmyJames 12271]

1 hour ago, Anastasis said:

 See? Toldja. 

[JimmyJames 12271]

Doublee 

Edited May 30, 2019 by JimmyJames

[Revolution512 1480]

3 hours ago, Patrick Bateman said:

Let's face it, all of this could have been avoided if Mueller and his team would have either given clear recommendations about future courses of action or gave more clarity if they wanted to pursue bringing charges but were told explicitly by the OLC (and not operating under their previous guidance) they couldn't.  Mueller's lack of clarity and vagueness are part of the issues and allows every side to infer, interpret, manipulate, etc his work.  In some ways, he's hiding behind the report for fear of politicizing his work, but for some reason he's letting everyone else define his report and his work.

Gutless is how I’d describe it

[JimmyJames 12271]

5 minutes ago, henrygandorf said:

he's basically being bribed into staying president right now.

so no, he could never be bribed or blackmailed into resigning.

he's more likely to get assassinated.

No. He’s staying president so he don’t get arrested and thrown into Rikers. 

[UpperWestside 6126]

10 minutes ago, triplehorn said:

Prosecuting a former president for presidential crimes is one thing.  But Trump Org RICO, for example, would be something else.  NY DA likely has Donald, Eric, Jr, and Ivanka by the short hairs.  CFO Weisselberg got an immunity deal.  Cohen raid.  Pecker immunity.  It's just going to be too much to overcome.

Anyone who believes that New York isn't going to go after him the minute he leaves office has no idea how much he is hated here. Dotard and his spawn are completely screwed here at least. Trump Org will cease to exist by the time the New York AG is done with it.

Edited May 30, 2019 by UpperWestside

[henrygandorf 29174]

7 minutes ago, JimmyJames said:

No. He’s staying president so he don’t get arrested and thrown into Rikers. 

you're agreeing with me.

i'm saying staying is getting him what he wants.  i was responding to the idea that he could be "bribed" into resigning.

[pyrohornIII 4805]

1 hour ago, retread said:

Agree. The R Senators def want to get re-elected, so staying behind Trump helps. But the spaghetti entanglements of the R Congressmen and the incriminating details have to be a big motivator. Friends of friends who know what you've done in the past.

It would not be surprising if some Rs have let Trump in on the family secrets about where the bodies are buried, and they know he will burn it (and them) to the ground if they betray him.

I don't think the Rs let him in on the secrets as much as Russia gave him the info (NRA, Kentucky aluminum plant, etc) and he's blackmailing them with all that stuff.  Hillary hasn't been the only one Putin's been spying on.

 

I'd like to see impeachment proceedings start by August, and then by this time next year the pretend POTUS will be so melted down they will have to invoke the 25th.  You know the first charges against Ivanka are going to ratchet up the crazies to redline levels.  That late into it the R's are screwed since they are all in on Trumptrain.

Also agree with sachick, I want those enabling fucks on record right before election. 

[Anastasis 23390]

Just now, pyrohornIII said:

I don't think the Rs let him in on the secrets as much as Russia gave him the info (NRA, Kentucky aluminum plant, etc) and he's blackmailing them with all that stuff. 

What a world. 

[Francisco 2.0 32312]

 

[JimmyJames 12271]

1 minute ago, henrygandorf said:

you're agreeing with me.

i'm saying staying is getting him what he wants.  i was responding to the idea that he could be "bribed" into resigning.

Ah got it. 

Normally trump could be bribed into just about anything, and frankly, that may be the ultimate end game here. Resign, go away, never come back, never tweet again, and you and your brood don’t ever have to set foot in Rikers. 

Frankly I think its a good deal all the way around. 

[Message Board User 12389]

 

[pyrohornIII 4805]

1 minute ago, Message Board User said:

 

If anyone knows about setting bars low, it's these assholes.

[triplehorn 2664]

Yes, Bret.  What Mueller said about Trump was the opposite of what Bill Barr said.  What does that make Bill Barr ? 

Bret, is this related to why Barr defied a subpoena to appear last week before House Judiciary ? 

Let's make sure AG Barr returns to testify to HJC.

[Irwin F Fletcher 3550]

How does he leave office?
Death? Peaceful transfer of power? Resignation? Or removed by the Senate? 
Those are your options. 

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3 minutes ago, pyrohornIII said:

I don't think the Rs let him in on the secrets as much as Russia gave him the info (NRA, Kentucky aluminum plant, etc) and he's blackmailing them with all that stuff.  Hillary hasn't been the only one Putin's been spying on.

Very possible. I don't know if anyone will ever unravel all of the R illegality. I'm sure they hold things over each other's heads. If you bust me, then you're going down too.

[Mdhorn 5910]

3 hours ago, RPM said:

I agree with him. We need to get Donald Trump into a courtroom under oath. 

I can't even imagine this.  He would be told to never to utter or tweet a word.  And he couldn't do it.  

[RPM 26208]

Just now, Mdhorn said:

I can't even imagine this.  He would be told to never to utter or tweet a word.  And he couldn't do it.  

Exactly. He couldn't even say "I take the Fifth" without going into some rambling monologue why he's doing that and burying himself in the process.