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Just to make sure I have the alternative facts straight...  Our government -- but I'm guessing only the deep state part of it --- is now guilty of torturing a poor, naive Russian exchange student who

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liberals suddenly being terrified of Russia and manic for election integrity is just pure comedy gold.

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I don't believe for a moment that any of this is entertaining to you.  I think it gives you a bit of anxiety knowing that your best weapon against a group who you despise is a bumbling fraud as a busi

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54 minutes ago, BLKNSTY said:

So what? Because you have both a UT and TT degree we have to tip-toe around you and not shit on Tech because it upsets you?

 

56 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

I'm pretty sure I was clear that it was a surprise to me that a Tech grad could be so intellectually incurious.  Yeah, it isn't Stanford -- neither is UT (although UT is closer).

Does TTech have any statues worth tearing down?

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3 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

No, a moron who thinks that the specific words on a magical piece of paper hanging on the wall somehow makes you better than others. 

first - don't think that at all. something like 90% of my family have never been to college and 30% probably don't have a HS degree. knowing what I know now, sheeeit. I'd skip college and start a general contracting business. plumbing, A/C, electrical, and cheap labor ain't going nowhere. 

but in classic Anastasia fashion - you're (a) projecting (b) gas-lighting (c) putting words in my mouth. If you want to list all the great accomplishments of other schools here - go right ahead. but if you're going to get all defensive about a UT Board shitting on Tech, Baylor, etc - fuck all that noise.

second - i'd rather be the person who you just described than be someone like you. someone who believes they are beyond reproach because of #bothsides. you make your self out to be some fucking martyr because you lament x,y,z when x,y,z is as irrelevant as my dogs asshole. 

the shtick is lame as fuck and in the 12+ years I've been on here, Shaggy, HornFans, etc. - I've come to the conclusion that I'd rather read posts by FC, EWA, ClearLake, Swam, Rocko and all the other right wingers who have inexplicably gone missing these last 18 months than any #bothsides argument you've posted. 

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1 minute ago, Anastasis said:

You should feel bad. After you are done staring at your dog's asshole waiting for nirvana, you should apologize to bolverk.

sorry, I'm too dumb to understand. 

Can you provide a gif for me kind sir?

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3 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Joe Biden is Stannis 

Naw, Biden is going to be Bran. He sorta just herp derped around, did a bunch of creepy shit, and will probably end up winning despite the fact that nobody really wants him to. He's also descended from a prior regime that the current regime hates, so he's a return to normalcy but in an unfulfilling way. Still better than Cersei though.

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Just now, BradInATX said:

Naw, Biden is going to be Bran. He sorta just herp derped around, did a bunch of creepy shit, and will probably end up winning despite the fact that nobody really wants him to. But, he's better than Cersei.

Okay well Bernie is definitely the High Sparrow

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5 minutes ago, hobbes2702 said:

So now we have a voicemail from Flynn of John Dowd obstructing justice.

There were a few episodes in the Mueller report where Trump’s attorneys walked right up to the line of things like witness tampering, intimidation, conspiracy to obstruct justice.   While their behavior might not be criminal, it seems like stuff that should get someone’s law license suspended. 

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Beto was calling for impeachment when he ran for Senate.  He was right then and he’s right now.  The difference between him and Warren/Amash is the articulation of the importance of the Mueller Report.   

Warren and Amash clearly read the entire report for themselves and immediately called for impeachment based on the facts and evidence in the report.  Beto can get on that bandwagon but he’s not really leading the charge in the messaging as much as Warren/Amash.

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Well as sitting a Senator and Representative they have access to the less redacted version so I would expect them to be leading with that.

I just find it curious that Beto has been on the impeachment bandwagon since his senate run, as you mentioned, but he’s always left out of the conversation.

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1 hour ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

It’s hard to be the guy calling for unity and impeachment at the same time.  Beto manages to pull it off but those messages aren’t going to resonate as much together.

fuck unity.

win the election, then unite the country after, not before.

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Federal prosecutors on Friday declined to make public transcripts of recorded conversations between Michael Flynn and Russia’s ambassador to the United States in December 2016, despite a judge’s order.

Prosecutors also failed to release an unredacted version of portions of the Mueller report related to Flynn that the judge had ordered be made public.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/justice-department-fails-to-comply-with-court-order-to-release-transcripts-of-michael-flynns-conversations-with-russian-ambassador/2019/05/31/9b4a6754-83b8-11e9-95a9-e2c830afe24f_story.html?utm_source=reddit.com&utm_term=.f6dadf900f99

 

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Federal prosecutors on Friday declined to make public transcripts of recorded conversations between Michael Flynn and Russia’s ambassador to the United States in December 2016, despite a judge’s order.

In a court filing Friday, the Justice Department wrote that it did not rely on such recordings to establish Flynn’s guilt or determine a recommendation for his sentencing.

Prosecutors also failed to release an unredacted version of portions of the Mueller report related to Flynn that the judge had ordered be made public.

Flynn, who served briefly as President Trump’s first national security adviser, pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI about his conversation with Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak, and he cooperated with special counsel Robert S. Mueller III’s investigation. He is awaiting sentencing.

The government’s unusual response came after U.S. District Judge Emmet G. Sullivan in Washington ordered earlier in May that the Justice Department make public various materials related to the case, including transcripts of any audio recordings of Flynn, such as his conversations with Russian officials.

[Judge orders public release of what Michael Flynn said in call to Russian ambassador]

Prosecutors provided one item that Sullivan ordered be released: a transcript of a voice mail left by an attorney for Trump, much of which had already appeared in Mueller’s report. It is unclear how the judge will react to the government’s noncompliance with other elements of his order. Late last year, Sullivan postponed Flynn’s sentencing after angrily lambasting the former national security adviser for his actions, saying, “Arguably, you sold your country out.”

 
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While Flynn’s interactions with Kislyak were described in Mueller’s report and in court documents, the exact words the two men used have not been revealed. U.S. officials have not publicly confirmed the existence of recordings, which are classified.

Sullivan made clear he wanted the full transcript of Flynn’s calls to be shared with the public, although he did not provide his reasoning. The Justice Department’s response appeared to duck that order.

Prosecutors Brandon L. Van Grack of the Justice Department’s national security division, who was formerly on Mueller’s team, and Assistant U.S. Attorney Deborah Curtis of Washington provided little explanation as to why they were not turning over the transcripts but indicated that the judge had asked for material that was not relevant to Flynn’s eventual sentencing.

In a single line addressing Sullivan’s order, prosecutors wrote that the government “is not relying on any other recordings, of any person, for purposes of establishing the defendant’s guilt or determining his sentence, nor are there any other recordings that are part of the sentencing record.”

Sullivan’s request was atypical, some legal experts said, in that he demanded the release of classified records that prosecutors did not use to prove Flynn’s guilt.

Still, some former prosecutors said the government’s response was also notably spare.

“I’m sure they spent a ton of time thinking about how to do this — to protect intelligence equities, to protect their case, to try not to annoy the judge, to balance all those interests,” said Barbara McQuade, a former U.S. attorney in Michigan.

She noted that although there was no public indication that prosecutors had filed additional material under seal, it was possible that they did.

“If they’re simply trying to avoid the order by sidestepping it and saying ‘it’s not necessary to your sentencing decision,’ judges tend not to be satisfied with such a response,” she added.

The U.S. attorney’s office in Washington declined to comment.

The transcripts of the Flynn-Kisylak calls would provide a rare glimpse into the power of American surveillance to capture the private discussions of foreign emissaries — and an intimate look at a budding relationship between a top Russian official and one of the president-elect’s most trusted lieutenants in the weeks before Trump took office.

Flynn’s lying about his contacts with the Russian ambassador made him the shortest-serving national security adviser in U.S. history: He spent just 24 days in the prestigious White House job.

Sullivan ordered the transcripts of Flynn’s conversations released two weeks ago after The Washington Post filed a motion seeking the release of redacted and sealed documents in the case. The Post argued that the public deserved to know more about the Trump adviser’s role in key events and the information he shared with investigators.

As part of his order, Sullivan had also given the government until Friday to release an unredacted version of portions of Mueller’s report dealing with Flynn.

In declining to release that, prosecutors wrote that the “limited remaining redactions pertain to sourcing of information, such as references to grand jury subpoenas.”

They provided no explanation other than to say that “all of the information in the Report that the defendant provided to the Special Counsel’s Office has been unredacted, as has all of the information in the Report that others provided about the defendant.”

The one item that the Justice Department made public on Sullivan’s order was a full transcript of a voice mail that John Dowd, a private attorney for Trump, left for Flynn lawyer Robert Kelner in November 2017.

Most of the voice mail was quoted in Mueller’s report, which described a message left by a personal counsel to Trump for a Flynn attorney after the former national security adviser began to cooperate with investigators. The special counsel scrutinized the message as part of his investigation into whether Trump sought to obstruct the Russia investigation.

The Trump counsel was Dowd, according to people familiar with the episode.

In the voice mail to Kelner, Dowd described himself as “sympathetic.”

“I understand your situation, but let me see if I can’t state it in starker terms,” he said, adding that if “there’s information that implicates the President, then we’ve got a national security issue.”

“So you know, ...we need some kind of heads up,” he added. “Um, just for the sake of protecting all our interests if we can, without you having to give up any...confidential information....remember what we’ve always said about the President and his feelings toward Flynn and, that still remains.”

In a statement Friday, Dowd said there was never anything improper about his contact with Flynn’s lawyer and that he had never tried to discourage Flynn’s cooperation with the government.

“This is clearly a baseless, political document designed to smear and damage the reputation of counsel and innocent people,” Dowd said of the special counsel report.

Devlin Barrett and Spencer S. Hsu contributed to this report.

 

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58 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

Not the courts. The Justice Department.

Well yeah, but I think we’re about to see how weak our institutions really are. So what happens now? Executive branch says nah, who enforces it? We’ve built our system on norms and customs but those mean nothing when a piece of shit wannabe authoritarian is running things. 

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Well yeah, but I think we’re about to see how weak our institutions really are. So what happens now? Executive branch says nah, who enforces it? We’ve built our system on norms and customs but those mean nothing when a piece of shit wannabe authoritarian is running things. 

This is what I’ve been saying, fellas.

The rule of law is just a collective agreement. It can be dissolved with a snap of the fingers. If we choose to stop following it, it’s as if it never even existed.

That, more than anything else, is the danger that the cult of Trumpism presents.
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Fewer and fewer institutions function as intended in DC. Legislating for the common person (e.g. guns, healthcare, etc.), approval for military action, confirming SC judges, power of levying tariffs, power of the purse, oversight, etc.

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Elections have consequences boys. You run up a weak ass piece of shit like Hillary and expect to win? 

Barr has Trumps back and the law is behind both. Barr didn't have to release anything. By law he could have said fuck you all. He didn't. He released everything but methods and Grand Jury information. Which is the law. Y'all hate Barr because he didn't break the law?

Releasing Grand Jury information is against the law. Nadler knows that and he is just grandstanding.  He has already been offered unredacted info. He chose not to read it!

Impeach if you will but all that will get you is another 4 years of Trump.

 

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Elections have consequences boys. You run up a weak ass piece of shit like Hillary and expect to win? 

Barr has Trumps back and the law is behind both. Barr didn't have to release anything. By law he could have said fuck you all. He didn't. He released everything but methods and Grand Jury information. Which is the law. Y'all hate Barr because he didn't break the law?

Releasing Grand Jury information is against the law. Nadler knows that and he is just grandstanding.  He has already been offered unredacted info. He chose not to read it!

Impeach if you will but all that will get you is another 4 years of Trump.

 

Nice job. You're Crushering it!

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9 minutes ago, 4th&Five said:

So we’re back to blaming people that didn’t vote for trump? Fuck off with that. How about we blame trump and and the traitors in the gop?

I don't think that is what I was sayin? 

Anyways ...Thanks for playing...

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