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9 hours ago, Anastasis said:

Must be hard for Comey to come to grips with the fact that as fbi director he titled the election to trump. 

Wait, I thought Hillary titled the election to Trump?

It's so hard to keep up with all of the different only reasons why the election went the way it did.

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https://www.wsj.com/articles/justice-department-wont-prosecute-comey-for-releasing-classified-information-11564690748

The decision not to charge Mr. Comey was first reported by The Hill newspaper.

The exact reason for the decision not to prosecute is unclear, but typically the Justice Department doesn’t bring such cases unless prosecutors can prove some intent to violate the laws governing the handling of classified information.

Mr. Comey himself publicly outlined that standard when he announced in 2016 that Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton and her aides wouldn’t face charges over mishandling classified information in email messages stored on her personal email server.

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1 minute ago, BrickHorn said:

Agreed.  How can you blame Gary Johnson voters when none of them even voted for Gary Johnson?

The funniest part of that whole meme on this board is identifying who the GJ voters actually are.  They sometime take off their mask in an act of self-loathing. 

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On 7/30/2019 at 10:33 AM, RomaVicta said:

But Mueller is a crazy old angry Dem in bed with the intelligence community and literally in bed with Comey. He exonerated the president after his witch hunt which should be over because you don't get a do-over in presidential harassment. We should be investigating Mueller, Hillary, Cummins, and any other person instead of your favorite president.

Mueller and Comey are lovers!

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47 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

Oh, and...

The Comey Letter Probably Cost Clinton The Election

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-comey-letter-probably-cost-clinton-the-election/

Also, *tilted 

But again, that's on her for creating the situation and surrounding herself with toxic and problematic people on the basis of their loyalty which led to bad electoral strategy, bad messaging, and one unforced error after another. She's a bad politician and she did everything she could to lose. 

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But again, that's on her for creating the situation and surrounding herself with toxic and problematic people on the basis of their loyalty which led to bad electoral strategy, bad messaging, and one unforced error after another. She's a bad politician and she did everything she could to lose. 

This is all absolutely 100% correct but Comey should still spend every moment of the rest of his life hating himself for being such a pussy that he had to abandon standard protocol to placate an anticipated right-wing backlash.

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This is all absolutely 100% correct but Comey should still spend every moment of the rest of his life hating himself for being such a pussy that he had to abandon standard protocol to placate an anticipated right-wing backlash.

Also, his decision to jump the SOPs was influenced by a known Russian disinformation campaign run through the FBI.  There are reasons why SOPs exist at the FBI, and why they need to be followed, in particular when there is a political intersection. Somebody should have asked Mueller about this during his testimony on Russian interference in the 2016 election.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/how-a-dubious-russian-document-influenced-the-fbis-handling-of-the-clinton-probe/2017/05/24/f375c07c-3a95-11e7-9e48-c4f199710b69_story.html?

In the midst of the 2016 presidential primary season, the FBI received what was described as a Russian intelligence document claiming a tacit understanding between the Clinton campaign and the Justice Department over the inquiry into whether she intentionally revealed classified information through her use of a private email server.

The Russian document cited a supposed email describing how then-Attorney General Loretta E. Lynch had privately assured someone in the Clinton campaign that the email investigation would not push too deeply into the matter. If true, the revelation of such an understanding would have undermined the integrity of the FBI’s investigation.

Current and former officials have said that Comey relied on the document in making his July decision to announce on his own, without Justice Department involvement, that the investigation was over. That public announcement — in which he criticized Clinton and made extensive comments about the evidence — set in motion a chain of other FBI moves that Democrats now say helped Trump win the presidential election.

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4 minutes ago, DDD Dad said:

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Why?  When an FBI director makes himself a central figure during an election, both in the lead up and it's aftermath, it should be talked about.  We can talk about how bad and awful Clinton and Trump were and are, and that would be all accurate, but Comey doesn't get a pass.   

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7 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

Why?  When an FBI director makes himself a central figure during an election, both in the lead up and it's aftermath, it should be talked about.  We can talk about how bad and awful Clinton and Trump were and are, and that would be all accurate, but Comey doesn't get a pass.   

Sounds like a great topic for its own thread (that I can ignore).  

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50 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

But again, that's on her for creating the situation and surrounding herself with toxic and problematic people on the basis of their loyalty which led to bad electoral strategy, bad messaging, and one unforced error after another. She's a bad politician and she did everything she could to lose. 

Too bad she's not the president. 

It wasn't just one thing. There were a lot of factors that contributed to the outcome of the election. Blaming it all on Hillary is simplistic and lazy. 

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Too bad she's not the president. 

It wasn't just one thing. There were a lot of factors that contributed to the outcome of the election. Blaming it all on Hillary is simplistic and lazy. 

She had one job. I've got no sympathy for unskillful, untalented politicians who repeatedly make the same mistakes and insist upon themselves to the detriment of the country. Imagine a 2016 Democrat field that included Elizabeth Warren, Brian Schweitzer and Sherrod Brown. Do you think they would have forced a better nominating contest and a stronger Clinton campaign, or even won outright?
The Clinton faction kept them out, and then made the same unforced errors that caused her loss to Obama in the general election. It doesn't minimize the external stuff to acknowledge that she didn't do enough to win, and created the opportunities for those who opposed her exploited to win. 

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2 hours ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

She had one job. I've got no sympathy for unskillful, untalented politicians who repeatedly make the same mistakes and insist upon themselves to the detriment of the country. Imagine a 2016 Democrat field that included Elizabeth Warren, Brian Schweitzer and Sherrod Brown. Do you think they would have forced a better nominating contest and a stronger Clinton campaign, or even won outright?
The Clinton faction kept them out, and then made the same unforced errors that caused her loss to Obama in the general election. It doesn't minimize the external stuff to acknowledge that she didn't do enough to win, and created the opportunities for those who opposed her exploited to win. 

Romney, McCain, Kerry, Gore, and George H.W. Bush had one job too and they all failed to get it done. I guess it fits in the tradition of demonization of the Clintons that Hillary should receive more blame for losing an election than any other candidate in recent memory. 

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On ‎8‎/‎2‎/‎2019 at 7:21 AM, Bozo_Casanova said:

 

But again, that's on her for creating the situation and surrounding herself with toxic and problematic people on the basis of their loyalty which led to bad electoral strategy, bad messaging, and one unforced error after another. She's a bad politician and she did everything she could to lose. 

She actually got more popular votes than Trump and more primary votes than Obama.  Will go with Nemesis justice; the woman who spent her life cheating the system got worked by the system, twice.

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Trump/Ru$$ia talk not going away:

"Major Wall Street banks have given congressional committees investigating President Trump thousands of pages of documents related to Russians who may have had dealings with Trump, his family or his business, people familiar with the congressional probes said. Some banks are also giving documents related to Trump’s business, the Trump Organization, to New York state investigators, people familiar with the New York investigation said.

Wall Street firms including Bank of America Corp., Citigroup Inc., Deutsche Bank AG,  JPMorgan Chase & Co., Morgan Stanley, and Wells Fargo & Co. have recently provided thousands of financial documents related to Russians who may have had dealings with Trump or his family or his business to congressional investigators, according to people familiar with the congressional probes. The investigators are working on a joint probe into potential foreign influence on Trump and his family by the House Financial Services Committee and the House Intelligence Committee. More information will likely be handed over in coming weeks as the banks continue to respond to subpoenas sent in April, the people said.  [cont.]"

 

--> This approach is akin to wiretapping foreign agents who, for reasons, happen to have been recorded while talking to certain US persons about things.  If requesting documents directly from Trump gets stonewalled and hung up in the courts, then examine potential interactions unimpeded beginning from the foreign side of the equation.

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The full WSJ article above is paywall.  Business Insider reporting today on same subject with some extra details:

Deutsche Bank and Wall Street banks reportedly just gave Congress thousands of documents related to Russians with possible ties to Trump

 

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Deutsche Bank, JPMorgan Chase, Bank of America, Citigroup, Morgan Stanley, and Wells Fargo have been giving thousands of documents to congressional committees investigating whether Trump had links to Russia, according to The Wall Street Journal, which cited people familiar with congressional probes. 

The Journal also said that some banks were giving documents related to the President's own business, the Trump Organization, to New York state investigators. 

Investigators for the House Financial Services Committee and the House Intelligence Committee are reportedly working on a joint probe into whether there was potential foreign influence on Trump and his family.

The Journal said that more information will likely be handed over in coming weeks as the banks respond to subpoenas sent in April.

Trump has reportedly received around $2 billion in loans from Deutsche Bank over two decades. The Financial Times reported that the German Bank and Trump have had a complicated relationship, suing one another in 2008 over loans to build Trump International Hotel & Tower in downtown Chicago.

In April, it was reported that President Donald Trump, his children, the Trump Organization, and the Trump family trust filed a lawsuit against Deutsche Bank and Capital One to bar them from complying with congressional subpoenas.

Trump's lawsuit, according to The New York Times in April, claims the subpoenas "have no legitimate or lawful purpose" and were issued to "harass" him and "to rummage through every aspect of his personal finances, his businesses, and the private information of the President and his family, and to ferret about for any material that might be used to cause him political damage."

Since then Deutsche Bank, Trump's primary bank, according to the Journal, has turned over emails, loan agreements, and other documents related to the Trump Organization office of New York Attorney General Letitia James, in response to a civil subpoena sent earlier this year.

According to the Journal, the congressional and state investigations are looking for different types of information. The congressional probe, which is reportedly being contested in court, is looking at a wide range of financial documents from the Trump family.

The state investigation comparatively, is looking at loans to the Trump Organization, according to people familiar with the New York investigation, the Journal wrote. 

The summary of the WSJ article above lacks the specificity of Congress seeking records on Russian DB dealings, as opposed to Trump proper, though that battle is still in the courts.  However it does make some distinctions between what the NYAG and Congress are after.

At the end of the day, proof of foreign corrupt financials is what stands to bring Trump down.  It's also what stands to expose Russian state sponsored organized crime in effect at the highest levels of Western government, which, being only part of transnational criminal organization, is still a much bigger problem than Trump alone. If and when the corrupt Russian money trail leads to RNC/Congressional GOP coffers, look out.  But exposing a mob compromised Trump as POTUS could be the catalyst for a 9/11 commission style response to the kind of embedded threats Russia and China, among others, represents to functioning democracies.

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The Judiciary Committee has also moved to formally link its McGahn suit with its petition for Mueller's grand jury info.  

That would put the matter in front of DC's federal court chief Judge Howell.

”Earlier this week, Nadler outlined an ambitious timeline for when the committee could formally recommend articles of impeachment against the president. In an MSNBC interview, Nadler said“we could get to that late in the fall.” But Howell laid out a briefing schedule in the grand jury case that doesn’t begin until September, suggesting it could be weeks before the McGahn case gets moving, too. Given the typical pace of court action, Nadler’s timeline would be a longshot.”

^^^ this is absolutely lining up to have the evidence rolling out in full swing for 2020 into the primary season.  The effect is all eyes will be on GOP up for election as much as on the mango man.

 

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Yes! We're going to do the server thing again. Awesome. Maybe credit your twatter sources.

And for people who are not totally normal brains, a 302 is an FBI agent summary of an interview. In the context of page 6-7 of the FOIA docs, Ohr was relaying what Simpson told him in a sit down at Peet's coffee shop in DC.  In other words, Simpson and Steele were peddling a debunked conspiracy server theory to individuals at both State and DOJ. Read the primary source material, rather than relying on Hugo's twatter feed excerpt. #Breaking. Whoa.

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6 hours ago, Anastasis said:

Read the primary source material, rather than relying on Hugo's twatter feed excerpt.

Ya know, if you linked us go the source material and cited the relevant portion instead of bitching about how it isn't posted, you could prove Hugo wrong AND get people to actually take you seriously! Just think of it as showing both sides of an argument and you should be able to muster the courage to follow through

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bottom of page 2 talks about the Alfa server:

"Ohr met (redacted) in Washington, DC in late late September, possibly close to the time when the Yahoo news article was published on Sept. 23, 2016.  During that meeting, (redacted) advised the Alfa server in the US is a link to the Trump campaign and Sergei Millian's Russian/American organization in the US used the Alfa server 2 weeks prior."

The Russian Alfa Bank server is referenced in the context of it being "a link to the Trump campaign", not using the specific language of Trump Tower/Alfa server comms.  But unless servers have some newly acquired human functions, the Alfa server link to Trump campaign likely means server to server. 

The specifics around user identity and timing of Alfa server use re Sergei Millian's org is notable, i.e. "the call is coming from inside the house!"

 

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22 minutes ago, Captainant said:

Ya know, if you linked us go the source material and cited the relevant portion instead of bitching about how it isn't posted, you could prove Hugo wrong AND get people to actually take you seriously! Just think of it as showing both sides of an argument and you should be able to muster the courage to follow through

See post 31622. 

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What would a smoking gun with the server look like?  I have never liked Alfa-Trump Tower vector of the investigation because it obfuscates from all the other smoking guns we already have.  

We know Donald Trump isn’t tech savvy enough to be directly implicated in some shady server connection with the Kremlin.  No, Trump was out in public asking for Russia to hack Hillary.  And then they did.  Then there was the clandestine campaign meeting with Russians representing the Kremlin’s support for Trump.  Also Manafort polling data and Stone to Wikileaks. 

The coordination case has been well established.

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22 minutes ago, triplehorn said:

bottom of page 2 talks about the Alfa server:

"Ohr met (redacted) in Washington, DC in late late September, possibly close to the time when the Yahoo news article was published on Sept. 23, 2016.  During that meeting, (redacted) advised the Alfa server in the US is a link to the Trump campaign and Sergei Millian's Russian/American organization in the US used the Alfa server 2 weeks prior."

The Russian Alfa Bank server is referenced in the context of it being "a link to the Trump campaign", not using the specific language of Trump Tower/Alfa server comms.  But unless servers have some newly acquired human functions, the Alfa server link to Trump campaign likely means server to server. 

The specifics around user identity and timing of Alfa server use re Sergei Millian's org is notable, i.e. "the call is coming from inside the house!"

 

Lol. We ARE doing the server thing again!

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4 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

Page 6-7, as referenced in post 31625. 

I don't understand what you're trying to prove. It shows that Steele told Ohr about a rumor he heard about the server and only classified it as a rumor, but commented that it aligned with other data that they had. There is nothing in the document to support your claim that it's a debunked (meaning proven to be false, not just unverified) theory or idea, or indeed even that it was being treated as fact. 

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I don't understand what you're trying to prove. 

Both Steele and Simpson were pumping server conspiracy nonsense to contacts at state and DOJ.  That server conspiracy was regurgitated from their American media sources and related contacts. This conspiracy has since been widely debunked.  This requires you to tie a thread between two different FOIA releases and simpsons house testimony. I’ve previously linked all of the relevant primary source material on this thread. 

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