The Robert Mueller Investigation

[HenryJames 65884]

50 minutes ago, notre dame joe said:

Flynn was coming into a top post that would require a great deal of foreign relations.  It would be unethical to not prepare for work by knowing the minds of men he would need to speak with. 

Seriously?

[StassneyHorn 6535]

41 minutes ago, GRHorn said:

Have the official transcripts of the calls ever been released?
 

Flynn was a private citizen and not in the White House. Why would they have transcripts/summaries of that?

[GW Hayduke 1952]

1 hour ago, Anastasis said:

Oh good.  Here's the part again where y'all claim that anybody who questions the long history of dysfunctional american foreign policy traitors and treasonous fuck sticks, to deflect from the fact that y'all have an incoherent world view that shifts based on the letter behind the name of the head of the adminsitration. Its been a while since we had this one. See @bolverk.  You really can't take this shit seriously. 

No dipshit. Whether or not they are helping trump and your side,  you shouldn’t defend and downplay an enemy that has been attacking our democracy. Your party over country bullshit is lame

[StassneyHorn 6535]

24 minutes ago, StassneyHorn said:

Flynn was a private citizen and not in the White House. Why would they have transcripts/summaries of that?

But seriously

Federal officials who have read the transcript of the call were surprised by Mr. Flynn’s comments, since he would have known that American eavesdroppers closely monitor such calls. They were even more surprised that Mr. Trump’s team publicly denied that the topics of conversation included sanctions.

 

 

[Poolflood 845]

2 hours ago, GW Hayduke said:

Fuck Russia. They attacked our democracy and are still a threat. It’s sad that Annie, grhorn and trump unite and push the same narrative that Russia is not a threat to democracy and the US. A bunch of treasonous fuck sticks.

 

 

And the 1980s are now calling to ask for their foreign policy back. Obama

[Poolflood 845]

57 minutes ago, GRHorn said:

I feel comfortable saying that if anything mind blowing in the Russiagate sense was on a transcript it would’ve be leaked months (years?) ago. 

Or the FBI WFO wouldn't have thought it right to close the investigation 

[notre dame joe 172]

1 hour ago, GRHorn said:

Have the official transcripts of the calls ever been released?
 

And did the FBI really "lose" the 302 in a case for false statements?

[Anastasis 23390]

41 minutes ago, GW Hayduke said:

Your party over country bullshit is lame

LOL.  Keep chugging cock on the corner GW. 

[Anastasis 23390]

49 minutes ago, StassneyHorn said:

Flynn was a private citizen and not in the White House. Why would they have transcripts/summaries of that?

[GW Hayduke 1952]

22 minutes ago, Poolflood said:

And the 1980s are now calling to ask for their foreign policy back. Obama

I get that trump is on you team and that in your mind along with trump’s mind, it is ok to support and cover for russia’s Involvement in our democracy. All that means is that you are piece of shit like trump and flynn

Edited May 17, 2020 by GW Hayduke

[Anastasis 23390]

Funny to watch the team committed project team sports onto others to deflect from the weakness of their own position. 

[Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand 13545]

1 hour ago, GRHorn said:

I feel comfortable saying that if anything mind blowing in the Russiagate sense was on a transcript it would’ve be leaked months (years?) ago. 

McCarthy: “There’s two people I think Putin pays: Rohrabacher and Trump,” 

GOP colleagues: lol

McCarthy: "Swear to God"

GOP House Leader Paul Ryan: Really? I mean, this is serious. Why are you saying this? Really? Got any proof? 

 

 

 

 

 

 

oh! Damn typos! Oopsies!!!

GOP House Leader Paul Ryan:  “No leaks. . . . This is how we know we’re a real family here.”

[GW Hayduke 1952]

Just now, Anastasis said:

Funny to watch the team committed project team sports onto others to deflect from the weakness of their own position. 

Funny to watch captain both sides flounder  and suck trump’s dick every opportunity. 

We don’t want a tit for tat!!!!?! The horror!’!!?

whatabout the server and the raw intelligence!!?!

the real story is that Flynn was soooo mistreated!!  Trump and the right are victims!! 

[Anastasis 23390]

Just now, GW Hayduke said:

Funny to watch captain both sides flounder  and suck trump’s dick every opportunity. 

We don’t want a tit for tat!!!!?! The horror!’!!?

whatabout the server and the raw intelligence!!?!

the real story is that Flynn was soooo mistreated!!  Trump and the right are victims!! 

Sad, that you literally have no legitimate arguments left, deferring to JDS type gibberish. 

[Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand 13545]

1 hour ago, jimmyjazz said:

I'm sure you have that archived.

Let's try this again:  do you think it's cool for a private citizen to contradict foreign policy?

I'll take this as a yes no.

[GRHorn 105]

1 hour ago, StassneyHorn said:

But seriously

Federal officials who have read the transcript of the call were surprised by Mr. Flynn’s comments, since he would have known that American eavesdroppers closely monitor such calls. They were even more surprised that Mr. Trump’s team publicly denied that the topics of conversation included sanctions.

 

 

Do you expect me to take anonymous intelligence officials word as gold? 

[StassneyHorn 6535]

Yes. But if you don’t trust the New York Times, you can trust Vice President Pence who was upset about being lied to by Flynn and ultimately was fired by President Trump.

[jimmyjazz 45538]

Mike Pence is Deep State.

[UDontKnow 10439]

11 minutes ago, GRHorn said:

Do you expect me to take anonymous intelligence officials word as gold? 

I mean that's how whistle blowing works.

[tx 3 putt 76296]

12 minutes ago, StassneyHorn said:

Yes. But if you don’t trust the New York Times, you can trust Vice President Pence who was upset about being lied to by Flynn and ultimately was fired by President Trump.

 

#fakenews

 

flynn was fired by #OBAMAGATE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  American fucking hero !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[David Dennison 18646]

5 hours ago, Anastasis said:

If the crux of your argument is that surrogates for an incoming administration should not try to diffuse tit for tat escalation of hostilities between two super powers when necessary and appropriate, I don't agree. Apparently that makes me a treasonous traitor. 

Well, it's against the law.

[Anastasis 23390]

*defuse 

[Biff Tannen 45491]

11 hours ago, Anastasis said:

If the crux of your argument is that surrogates for an incoming administration should not try to diffuse tit for tat escalation of hostilities between two super powers when necessary and appropriate, I don't agree. Apparently that makes me a treasonous traitor. 

Yeah, I’m sure it was as innocent as that. That Flynn, he’s just as pure as driven snow. JFC man. 

[TornACL 7674]

8 hours ago, GRHorn said:

Do you expect me to take anonymous intelligence officials word as gold? 

You, and everyone else, would have more credibility if you didn't take anybody's word as gold.

I'm all for a healthy dose of skepticism, but it shouldn't be used as a matter of convenience. 

[Poolflood 845]

10 hours ago, GW Hayduke said:

I get that trump is on you team and that in your mind along with trump’s mind, it is ok to support and cover for russia’s Involvement in our democracy. All that means is that you are piece of shit like trump and flynn

Cute.  So since we're conversing about flynn are you of the belief that a) it would be against the law for incoming officials to speak about what they will do when they take office with foreign officials and/or b) flynn was part of the trump cabal that was coordinating the Russian interference? 

[GRHorn 105]

10 hours ago, UDontKnow said:

I mean that's how whistle blowing works.

Pretty sure we’ve had a few occasion with RussiaGate etc where big gotcha leaks turned out to be not so accurate. Anyway. 
 

 

[GW Hayduke 1952]

1 hour ago, Poolflood said:

Cute.  So since we're conversing about flynn are you of the belief that a) it would be against the law for incoming officials to speak about what they will do when they take office with foreign officials and/or b) flynn was part of the trump cabal that was coordinating the Russian interference? 

Yeah. Flynn took money from Russia and Turkey and hid it from the US government. That was not legal. Flynn interfered with Obama’s foreign policy by negotiating with Russia and lied to Pence and the FBI about it. That was not legal. Russia and Turkey would have been able to hold all of those illegal actions over Flynn’s head while he was head of the DNI. Flynn was a clear risk to US national security. He should have known better. Flynn isn’t a victim. He’s another example of those around trump with malfeasance tempered by incompetence. 

[Anastasis 23390]

3 hours ago, Biff Tannen said:

Yeah, I’m sure it was as innocent as that. That Flynn, he’s just as pure as driven snow. JFC man. 

No one has argued that he is.  In fact explicitly the opposite.  He turned into a grifter, extracting money playing angles on the american foreign policy atm.

But that has very little to do with this conversation.  Flynn had to be neutralized from the situation cause the folks on the "7th floor" didn't want to have to read him in on what they were doing with the Russia investigation.  Flynn gave them an easy out by lying about something he didn't have to lie about. 

Edited May 17, 2020 by Anastasis

[Anastasis 23390]

1 hour ago, GRHorn said:

Pretty sure we’ve had a few occasion with RussiaGate etc where big gotcha leaks turned out to be not so accurate. Anyway. 
 

 

If you have been paying attention, you can pretty much tell who the source is based on the byline. I don't really understand the unmasking hubbub, unless the point is that selective media leaks were used by various parties to massage the narrative and neutralize people who threatened the Russia Russia Russia resistance movement. 

[Anastasis 23390]

46 minutes ago, GW Hayduke said:

Flynn interfered with Obama’s foreign policy by negotiating with Russia

He apparently asked Kislyak not to escalate the situation by responding with sanctions against the United States.  Only in bizarro Russia Russia Russia resistance land is asking another country not to reciprocate sanctions against the United States, after the United States just placed sanctions on that country, treason. 

[jimmyjazz 45538]

57 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

He apparently asked Kislyak not to escalate the situation by responding with sanctions against the United States.  Only in bizarro Russia Russia Russia resistance land is asking another country not to reciprocate sanctions against the United States, after the United States just placed sanctions on that country, treason. 

He undercut the sanctions by making it clear they wouldn't be enforced come January 20.  Come on, man.

[GW Hayduke 1952]

1 hour ago, Anastasis said:

He apparently asked Kislyak not to escalate the situation by responding with sanctions against the United States.  Only in bizarro Russia Russia Russia resistance land is asking another country not to reciprocate sanctions against the United States, after the United States just placed sanctions on that country, treason. 

It’s ok to not follow the law when it’s my team!!!!  Trumpkin cant help but trumpkin!

[Anastasis 23390]

10 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

He undercut the sanctions by making it clear they wouldn't be enforced come January 20.  Come on, man.

I've never seen the transcript.  Nor have you.  Hint: the below is an outlet for FBI leaks. 

The White House had examined a transcript of a wiretapped conversation that Mr. Flynn had with Mr. Kislyak in December, according to administration officials. Mr. Flynn originally told Mr. Pence and others that the call was limited to small talk and holiday pleasantries.

But the conversation, according to officials who saw the transcript of the wiretap, also included a discussion about sanctions imposed on Russia after intelligence agencies determined that President Vladimir V. Putin’s government tried to interfere with the 2016 election on Mr. Trump’s behalf. Still, current and former administration officials familiar with the call said the transcript was ambiguous enough that Mr. Trump could have justified either firing or retaining Mr. Flynn.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/13/us/politics/donald-trump-national-security-adviser-michael-flynn.html

 

 

[Anastasis 23390]

10 minutes ago, GW Hayduke said:

It’s ok to not follow the law when it’s my team!!!!  Trumpkin cant help but trumpkin!

Logan Act is probably unconstitutional. Nobody has ever been convicted of a Logan Act violation.  Like nobody ever. None of you guys cry about the Logan Act when Kerry was engaging Iran.  None of you cry about the Logan Act when Obama is having private meetings with Merkel. Save the fucking whining about team sports, cause its just rank projection.  

 

 

[GW Hayduke 1952]

2 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

Logan Act is probably unconstitutional. Nobody has ever been convicted of a Logan Act violation.  Like nobody ever. None of you guys cry about the Logan Act when Kerry was engaging Iran.  None of you cry about the Logan Act when Obama is having private meetings with Merkel. Save the fucking whining about team sports, cause its just rank projection.  

 

 

It’s ok when my team breaks the “little” laws!!! Trumpkin can’t help but trumpkin!

[Anastasis 23390]

You were a better poster when you just stuck to posting gifs of chickens. 

[jimmyjazz 45538]

1 hour ago, Anastasis said:

I've never seen the transcript.  Nor have you.  Hint: the below is an outlet for FBI leaks. 

The White House had examined a transcript of a wiretapped conversation that Mr. Flynn had with Mr. Kislyak in December, according to administration officials. Mr. Flynn originally told Mr. Pence and others that the call was limited to small talk and holiday pleasantries.

But the conversation, according to officials who saw the transcript of the wiretap, also included a discussion about sanctions imposed on Russia after intelligence agencies determined that President Vladimir V. Putin’s government tried to interfere with the 2016 election on Mr. Trump’s behalf. Still, current and former administration officials familiar with the call said the transcript was ambiguous enough that Mr. Trump could have justified either firing or retaining Mr. Flynn.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/13/us/politics/donald-trump-national-security-adviser-michael-flynn.html

 

 

Ah, "The White House".  Yes, we have good reason to believe whatever "The White House" says is the unvarished truth.

Man, for someone who is permanently primed to go nuclear at the slightest perceived incursion on personal liberty, you sure do have a curious need to defend the Trump administration.  Cue incoming verbal spew.  

[Anastasis 23390]

3 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

Ah, "The White House".  Yes, we have good reason to believe whatever "The White House" says is the unvarished truth.

Man, for someone who is permanently primed to go nuclear at the slightest perceived incursion on personal liberty, you sure do have a curious need to defend the Trump administration.  Cue incoming verbal spew.  

Those authors are typically an outlet for FBI sources. I don't think that you should read that section and link the WH review described in the first paragraph to the "current and former administration officials" referenced in the second. 

[washparkhorn 9934]

Is this type of "banter" why conservative people on DT hate the CR?

Just trying to understand the sentiment. 

Russia was overblown. Period. It was a good sandbox to test out the craven nature of some politicos. But still overblown. 

Now the Covid-19 response is a different ball of wax. There is a Malthusian lust among some Trump supporters that could be described as evil. Perhaps it is time to move-on to the present day.

 

[DixonHur 11154]

5 minutes ago, washparkhorn said:

Is this type of "banter" why conservative people on DT hate the CR?

Just trying to understand the sentiment. 

Russia was overblown. Period. It was a good sandbox to test out the craven nature of some politicos. But still overblown. 

Now the Covid-19 response is a different ball of wax. There is a Malthusian lust among some Trump supporters that could be described as evil. Perhaps it is time to move-on to the present day.

 

If you believe this, there's no sense in anyone trying to engage you in honest discourse.

Russia, our sworn enemy, successfully attacks the foundation of our democracy... voting...with, at minimum, the tacit support from one of the candidates and you're cool with that?  

If not for Mitch and the GOP Senate, Trump would have been impeached.

 

[GW Hayduke 1952]

24 minutes ago, washparkhorn said:

Is this type of "banter" why conservative people on DT hate the CR?

Just trying to understand the sentiment. 

Russia was overblown. Period. It was a good sandbox to test out the craven nature of some politicos. But still overblown. 

Now the Covid-19 response is a different ball of wax. There is a Malthusian lust among some Trump supporters that could be described as evil. Perhaps it is time to move-on to the present day.

 

Bernie bros and trumpkins are finding some commonality?

[hpslugga 4042]

9 minutes ago, DixonHur said:

If you believe this, there's no sense in anyone trying to engage you in honest discourse.

Russia, our sworn enemy, successfully attacks the foundation of our democracy... voting...with, at minimum, the tacit support from one of the candidates and you're cool with that?  

If not for Mitch and the GOP Senate, Trump would have been impeached.

 

The thing about foreign interference in US elections is that Russia’s participation in same, even if we believe the very worst of what was alleged in the impeachment proceedings, is pennies on the dollar compared to other states, none of which can really claim any sort of moral high ground on Russia (though they’ve plenty of apologists here that pretend otherwise).

Edited May 17, 2020 by hpslugga

[workswithseed 2033]

16 hours ago, Anastasis said:

Sad, that you literally have no legitimate arguments left, deferring to JDS type gibberish. 

JDS?

[Anastasis 23390]

8 minutes ago, DixonHur said:

If you believe this, there's no sense in anyone trying to engage you in honest discourse.

Russia, our sworn enemy, successfully attacks the foundation of our democracy... voting...with, at minimum, the tacit support from one of the candidates and you're cool with that?  

If not for Mitch and the GOP Senate, Trump would have been impeached.

Russia is not our sworn enemy.  Where do y'all come up with this nonsense?  Growing up during the Cold War fucked with some of y'alls heads. 

[Anastasis 23390]

6 minutes ago, hpslugga said:

The thing about foreign interference in US elections is that Russia’s participation in same, even if we believe the very worst of what was alleged in the impeachment proceedings, is pennies on the dollar compared to other states, none of which can really claim any sort of moral high ground on Russia (though they’ve plenty of apologists here that pretend otherwise).

But the facebook memes.

[GW Hayduke 1952]

6 minutes ago, hpslugga said:

The thing about foreign interference in US elections is that Russia’s participation in same, even if we believe the very worst of what was alleged in the impeachment proceedings, is pennies on the dollar compared to other states, none of which can really claim any sort of moral high ground on Russia (though they’ve plenty of apologists here that pretend otherwise).

The argument is that it’s ok for Russia to meddle in our democracy because of “other states” are spending more money doing it? What other states? What money are they spending? What instances of meddling has or is occurring by those other states?

[Anastasis 23390]

Just now, GW Hayduke said:

The argument is that it’s ok for Russia to meddle in our democracy because of “other states” are spending more money doing it? What other states? What money are they spending? What instances of meddling has or is occurring by those other states?

Nobody is saying that it is OK for russia to run a second rate phishing operation and post memes on facebook. 

[Anastasis 23390]

40 minutes ago, washparkhorn said:

Is this type of "banter" why conservative people on DT hate the CR?

Go fuck yourself trumpkin traitor treason toodle head!!

Edited May 17, 2020 by Anastasis
needed an exclamation mark, for full effect.

[DixonHur 11154]

5 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

Russia is not our sworn enemy.  Where do y'all come up with this nonsense?  Growing up during the Cold War fucked with some of y'alls heads. 

I was in the military during the Cold War, what do you want from me?  Not a Russia fan.

[Anastasis 23390]

4 minutes ago, DixonHur said:

I was in the military during the Cold War, what do you want from me?  Not a Russia fan.

The 1980s are holding on line 1...

 

Edited May 17, 2020 by Anastasis