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I see that the brain worms are boot strapping themselves based on a press release with no actual evidence presented.  Thought maybe you guys would start thinking critically about this stuff after face planting over and over again, but I overestimated some of you.   

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I see that the brain worms are boot strapping themselves based on a press release with no actual evidence presented.  Thought maybe you guys would start thinking critically about this stuff after face planting over and over again, but I overestimated some of you.   

Yes, the Treasury dept is known for their machinations and hyperbole. This story has stopped the presses. I think FOX has pre-empted the Masked Singer this evening to cover it. Also, we appreciate the hours you sift through transcripts and recordings, getting direct interviews, vetting sources, seeking nonpartisan fact checkers.

And if there’s anything we learned is that there’s no difference between Biden and Trump and those administrations are equally nontransparent.

Now can you tell us more about the dossier, your own brainworms will retrieve all the info directly from both sides of your brain.
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39 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

Here come the clowns.

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Yes. You are the clown. Seriously, it’s wild to watch you provide pretty good opinions and content on most political subjects, but you just shit your pants like an infant on certain things. I mean come on man. This shit is blindingly obvious to even the most casual follower. 

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If that is your take away after participating in the various discussions on this thread, steele dossier is the bible, alfa bank server, golden showers in the Ritz Carlton, cohen's cell phone was in prague, carter page backchannel, jeff sessions and kislyak, FISA surveillance was totally by the book, Russian bounties, etc. ad infinitum, I can only respond to you by suggesting that maybe mocking skepticism and those asking to see the evidence isn't the best approach.

Maybe Treasury has access to compelling evidence that neither the independent Special Counsel, with access to the full suite of intelligence gathering capabilities of the United States government, nor the bipartisan SSCI investigation had when generating their assessments. Or maybe Treasury has a lower standard for evidence when crafting a press release intended to justify political sanctions. Which do you think more likely Biff? 

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13 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

If that is your take away after participating in the various discussions on this thread, steele dossier is the bible, alfa bank server, golden showers in the Ritz Carlton, cohen's cell phone was in prague, carter page backchannel, jeff sessions and kislyak, FISA surveillance was totally by the book, Russian bounties, etc. ad infinitum, I can only respond to you by suggesting that maybe mocking skepticism and those asking to see the evidence isn't the best approach.

Maybe Treasury has access to compelling evidence that neither the independent Special Counsel, with access to the full suite of intelligence gathering capabilities of the United States government, nor the bipartisan SSCI investigation had when generating their assessments. Or maybe Treasury has a lower standard for evidence when crafting a press release intended to justify political sanctions. Which do you think more likely Biff? 

Why was the Trump campaign talking to the Kremlin at all?

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OF course Russia helped the Trump campaign with laser focused facebook advertising and nefariousness.  The Trump campaign in 2016 dismissed any Facebook advertising or misinformation as having ANY influence on the election.  In the 2020 election, the Trump Campaign focused heavily on Facebook advertising. In fact more than any other campaign in history.  So were they lying in 2016?

First President ever elected with the assistance of Russia.  

While it is entirely possible Trump was too stupid to realize what was going on.  An entirely plausible scenario.  What does indicate knowledge of the situation? Pardoning all potential co-conspirators, while appearing to be Putin's lap dog in every interaction.  

The good news is the GOP does not care if Russia helps them win elections.  Oh yeah... that's not good news...

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3 minutes ago, horn4life said:

OF course Russia helped the Trump campaign with laser focused facebook advertising and nefariousness.  The Trump campaign in 2016 dismissed any Facebook advertising or misinformation as having ANY influence on the election.  In the 2020 election, the Trump Campaign focused heavily on Facebook advertising. In fact more than any other campaign in history.  So were they lying in 2016?

First President ever elected with the assistance of Russia.  

While it is entirely possible Trump was too stupid to realize what was going on.  An entirely plausible scenario.  What does indicate knowledge of the situation? Pardoning all potential co-conspirators, while appearing to be Putin's lap dog in every interaction.  

The good news is the GOP does not care if Russia helps them win elections.  Oh yeah... that's not good news...

I thought it was actually admitted in court in the Cambridge Analytica deal that in 2016 they used targeting and that the Mercer/CA/Facebook crime was the coordination (not the actual data mining) with the Trump campaign. That would've only been helped, not harmed by the info above, so yeah this is really not good but we have known that for some time AND NOTHING IS GOING TO HAPPEN to the people stateside who are fine with it.

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The interesting thing is that Average Joes buying into unverified claims don't change facts.  If 90% of the "Russia Russia Russia" talk was bullshit, but 10% wasn't, then does the 90% really matter?

 

-- Junior:  "Seems we have some time and if it’s what you say I love it especially later in the summer."

-- we now have evidence that completes the pipeline from Paul Manafort to Russian Intelligence.  Why exactly would Manafort be sharing confidential campaign data with Russian Intelligence?

 

Ah, well, nevertheless.  FISA!  Carter Page!  Alfa Bank!

Crimony.

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6 hours ago, GW Hayduke said:

If this was true and Manafort and Stone really did collude with Russia, why didn’t Trump give them pardons? Checkmate libtards!

 

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Please tell me you've seen a MAGAt say that.

Anastasia isn't a MAGAt, but he's pretty hot on the whole "no collusion" bit, despite what his lying eyes tell him

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1 minute ago, Captainant said:

 

Anastasia isn't a MAGAt, but he's pretty hot on the whole "no collusion" bit, despite what his lying eyes tell him

Yeah, but Trump pardoned both Stone & Manafort.  I thought you were saying someone was making a "point" by claiming he hadn't (which would be par for the course).

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Robert Mueller will take law students behind the decision-making process of the Russia inquiry.

Robert S. Mueller III will teach a course at the University of Virginia’s law school intended to take students inside his investigation that concluded Russia had interfered in the 2016 election to help Donald J. Trump, the university announced on Wednesday.

The course, called “The Mueller Report and the Role of the Special Counsel,” will be taught by Mr. Mueller alongside three former federal prosecutors: James L. Quarles III, Andrew D. Goldstein and Aaron Zebley, who was Mr. Mueller’s deputy. Mr. Mueller recruited the three men to work on the investigation, which spanned two years of the Trump administration.

Mr. Mueller will lead at least one of six in-person classes and said that he hoped to bring in other top prosecutors as guest speakers, according to the university.

The course will cover the investigation chronologically, from the hiring of Mr. Mueller as special counsel in 2017 until the inquiry’s conclusion in 2019. The instructors also intend to explain the challenges that prosecutors faced and “the legal and practical context” behind critical decisions, the university said.

The final class is expected to focus on obstruction of justice and the role of special counsels in presidential accountability. The Mueller report detailed actions by Mr. Trump that many legal experts said were sufficient to ask a grand jury to indict him on charges of obstruction of justice, but Attorney General William P. Barr cleared him of obstruction soon after the report was completed.

The announcement of the course is likely to revive curiosity around the Russian inquiry, which Mr. Trump repeatedly derided as a “witch hunt” and of which Mr. Mueller has seldom spoken publicly. He was a reluctant witness during a closely watched congressional hearing in July 2019, where he testified for nearly seven hours, giving many clipped answers and largely not straying from his report’s conclusions.

Last summer, Mr. Mueller wrote an opinion essay for The Washington Post the day after Mr. Trump commuted the prison sentence of his longtime friend Roger J. Stone Jr., a political operative. In the essay, Mr. Mueller defended the prosecution of Mr. Stone for federal crimes as part of the Russia inquiry.

“We made every decision in Stone’s case, as in all our cases, based solely on the facts and the law and in accordance with the rule of law,” Mr. Mueller wrote.

Mr. Zebley told the University of Virginia that the course instructors would rely on public records to explain the path of the investigation.

After the inquiry ended, Mr. Mueller, Mr. Zebley and Mr. Quarles left the Justice Department and returned to the private law firm WilmerHale in Washington, where they are partners. Mr. Goldstein is now a partner at the firm Cooley in Washington. Mr. Mueller and Mr. Zebley are both alumni of the University of Virginia’s law school.

All four lawyers had notable careers at the Justice Department and said they were looking forward to sharing those experiences with students, according to the university.

“I look forward to engaging with the students this fall,” Mr. Mueller said.

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On 4/15/2021 at 2:23 PM, Michael Knight said:

 

I may be misremembering but I think the Senate intelligence report did include the fact that Manafort shared polling data with some Russian.  The facts and circumstances that get left out are when he did it (sometime in May or June 2016) and some inferred reasons for why (either he was in debt or trying to get paid). 

Regardless, it was traitorous and he should be hung (hanged?) but polling data 6 months prior to the election probably didn't turn the tide. 

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2 minutes ago, babysdaddy said:

I may be misremembering but I think the Senate intelligence report did include the fact that Manafort shared polling data with some Russian.  The facts and circumstances that get left out are when he did it (sometime in May or June 2016) and some inferred reasons for why (either he was in debt or trying to get paid). 

Regardless, it was traitorous and he should be hung (hanged?) but polling data 6 months prior to the election probably didn't turn the tide. 

You would be correct. From AP: US says Russia was given Trump campaign polling data in 2016

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A Treasury Department statement Thursday offered a potentially significant clue, asserting that Konstantin Kilimnik, a Russian and Ukrainian political consultant, had shared sensitive campaign and polling information with Russian intelligence services.

Kilimnik has long been alleged by U.S. officials to have ties to Russian intelligence. But the statement in a broader Treasury Department sanctions announcement was the first time the U.S. government had so directly drawn a connection from the Trump campaign to the Kremlin’s intelligence services. The revelation was all the more startling because it went beyond any allegation made in either special counsel Robert Mueller’s 2019 report or in an even more damning and detailed document released last year by the Senate Intelligence Committee.

Both those investigations were unable to determine what Kilimnik did with the data and whether he shared it further.

The issue resurfaced Thursday because Kilimnik was one of 32 people and entities sanctioned by the U.S. government for interference in the 2020 election. Officials say Kilimnik sought to promote the bogus narrative that Ukraine, not Russia, had interfered in the 2016 election.

Kilimnik was a key but mysterious figure in Mueller’s investigation into potential coordination between Russia and the 2016 Trump campaign. A business associate of Manafort’s who worked closely with him, even managing his firm’s office in Kyiv, Kilimnik is mentioned by name 156 times in the Mueller report. He was also indicted alongside Manafort on witness tampering allegations, but has not appeared in the U.S. to face those charges. The FBI has issued a $250,000 award for information leading to his arrest.

A key episode examined by Mueller involved Manafort’s decision to share campaign polling data with Kilimnik — something prosecutors say Manafort lied about when questioned. Investigators scrutinized a series of secretive encounters between the men, including one in August 2016 at the Grand Havana Club in New York.

There, according to statements provided by Mueller, Manafort briefed Kilimnik on internal campaign data and messaging and they discussed battleground states.

The exchange of polling data was an eye-catching data point, especially since it suggested Russia could have exploited such inside information to target influence campaigns aimed at boosting Trump’s election bid in 2016.

But Mueller’s team said it couldn’t “reliably determine” Manafort’s purpose in sharing it, nor assess what Kilimnik may have done with it — in part due to questions over Manafort’s credibility. The Senate committee also came up empty, though its report drew attention for its characterization of Kilimnik as a Russian intelligence officer.

It was not clear what new information, if any, led to the Treasury Department’s assessment that Kilimnik had “provided the Russian Intelligence Services with sensitive information on polling and campaign strategy.” A Treasury Department spokesman did not return an email seeking comment.

The trump campaign knowingly and willingly shared extremely sensitive polling data with an adversarial nation to gain an electoral advantage. AKA - collusion.

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7 minutes ago, Captainant said:

You would be correct. From AP: US says Russia was given Trump campaign polling data in 2016

The trump campaign knowingly and willingly shared extremely sensitive polling data with an adversarial nation to gain an electoral advantage. AKA - collusion.

And Wikileaks released their hacked DNC/Podesta emails (at least the first batch) 30 minutes after the “grab ‘em by the pussy” audio came out. I’m sure that was just a coincidence and Roger Stone had nothing to do with it.

The collusion was real. If you think Trump didn’t know about the meeting with the Russians in Trump Tower then you’re dumber than a Penn State fan who thinks Paterno knew nothing about the 1998 investigation into Jerry Sandusky. 

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20 minutes ago, Captainant said:

You would be correct. From AP: US says Russia was given Trump campaign polling data in 2016

The trump campaign knowingly and willingly shared extremely sensitive polling data with an adversarial nation to gain an electoral advantage. AKA - collusion.

Of course it was collusion.  So was Junior's meeting with Natalia Veselnitskiya, proffered as a "Russian government attorney", to receive what was alleged to be damaging information about Hillary Clinton.

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17 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

Of course it was collusion.  So was Junior's meeting with Natalia Veselnitskiya, proffered as a "Russian government attorney", to receive what was alleged to be damaging information about Hillary Clinton.

Trump even bragged a few days ahead of the meeting that he was going to be coming out with some new dirt on Hillary. Of course he knew about it. If he didn’t then the colossal shit fit he would’ve thrown when he found out about it would’ve made the news. Control freaks gonna control freak. 

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7 minutes ago, WhatTheBuck said:

Trump even bragged a few days ahead of the meeting that he was going to be coming out with some new dirt on Hillary. Of course he knew about it. If he didn’t then the colossal shit fit he would’ve thrown when he found out about it would’ve made the news. Control freaks gonna control freak. 

Ultimately, it wouldn't have mattered if he didn't know.  Rod Rosenstein's appointment of Mueller specifically called out "any links and/or coordination between the Russian government and individuals associated with the campaign of President Donald Trump".

Let's not gloss over the fact that Mueller deemed Konstantin Kilimnik a "Russian intelligence officer", so he seems to meet the standard.  Veselnitskiya is probably a bit more of a stretch, because she is apparently in private practice, but the fact remains that she was described as an attorney within the Russian government.  Junior's intent was absolutely clear.

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The trump campaign knowingly and willingly shared extremely sensitive polling data with an adversarial nation to gain an electoral advantage. AKA - collusion.

Conspiracy. Don’t ket dotard frame the word.
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In retrospect, the problem with the investigation, or at least what a lot of people hoped from it, was that the DOJ had the long-standing policy that POTUS should not/could not be indicted.  That was not going to change, under any administration, most likely, and certainly not Trump's.

That forced Mueller to be somewhat reticent toward Trump, both in terms of investigation and in terms of "charging" or providing sufficient evidence to charge.

He certainly did the job with respect to "members" of the Trump campaign, though.

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