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Obama never did anything anywhere close to what the Bush Administration did. And the Clintons and the Clinton Foundation never approached the levels of grime and graft Trump is enmeshed in, despite the innumerable frivolous redundant investigations she (and Bill) endured. Of the two, Hillary was squeaky clean.

False equivalencies are a bogus oft used tactic of the right, when they're caught doing exactly - and I mean EXACTLY - what they've accused the left of doing. Whenever you begin to see it, well, that's their belated version of a confession.

Trump voters have begun to admit the obvious. Donald Trump is a vile, criminal no talent ass clown.

That man should not be president. He's an erupting volcanic catastrophically abusive moron. He's Sarah Palin, playing with nuclear matches. Get his grotesque embarrassing ass out of office!

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3 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

All I have ever said all along on this note is that Trumpy has given me, at least, new insight on how disgusting things are and probably have been for a while.  In particular, the ATT and Novartis "insight" purchases (I made basically the same comment on the Cohen thread without universal condemnation).  Granted, Cohen may have solicited those payments, and the use he apparently made of them is grotesque unto itself and he's a bigger scumbucket than the usual person paid for "insight."  But the fact remains that they paid this guy.

The fact that Fortune 100 companies were perfectly willing to pay some guy a really solid years' salary or more for some unknown "insight" or ability to influence the President or President-elect is disgusting.  One or both of them said it was among "several" such arrangements.  And Novartis, I believe, entered into an enforceable contract BEFORE finding out that Cohen allegedly was not useful.  All of that indicates to me that this is business as usual at this level of politics and I find it grotesque.

Trump is no doubt historically corrupt, but it also takes "two to tango," and there seems to be no shortage of people willing to tango with Trump and I suspect that isn't solely because Trump is so corrupt and corruptible.  They have been taking tango lessons for years, so to speak.

If you follow my posts, I have been kind of thinking aloud on the whole thing, bringing in Watergate and just trying to put the whole thing in some sort of historical perspective.  If that appears to be minimizing what Trump is doing, then maybe that's what it is.  It's not what I am trying to do.  In responding to various people's "Both Sides!!!11111!!!!" I have probably been led astray from my original point and that appears to be creating straw men or whatever.

 

I’m not interested in getting deep into this one, but the fact that the guy at ATT is personally known by 2 of our posters, one of whom is brisket, and they both describe him as a good guy, has to make you wonder did he just have a monumental lapse in judgement or was cohens request for pay to play not all that far from business as usual

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Obama never did anything anywhere close to what the Bush Administration did. And the Clintons and the Clinton Foundation never approached the levels of grime and graft Trump is enmeshed in, despite the innumerable frivolous redundant investigations she (and Bill) endured. Of the two, Hillary was squeaky clean.
False equivalencies are a bogus oft used tactic of the right, when they're caught doing exactly - and I mean EXACTLY - what they've accused the left of doing. Whenever you begin to see it, well, that's their belated version of a confession.
Trump voters have begun to admit the obvious. Donald Trump is a vile, criminal no talent ass clown.
That man should not be president. He's an erupting volcanic catastrophically abusive moron. He's Sarah Palin, playing with nuclear matches. Get his grotesque embarrassing ass out of office!


If the investigation ends with no charges filed against Trump, will you consider him squeaky clean as well?
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If the investigation ends with no charges filed against Trump, will you consider him squeaky clean as well?

 

No. He isn’t squeaky clean regardless of the Mueller investigation. He has violated the emoluments clause on numerous occasions and has obstructed Justice about 100 times. He has already committed crimes but people like you continue to give him a pass.

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So somewhere on this board maybe even in this thread I said that the Trump administration will end like the last episode of Seinfeld plus the last episode of the Sopranos, and SNL's cold open was a parody of Trump & the Journey Don't Stop Sopranos ending.

I told ya I was Hollywood's muse.

My ending for Star Wars is gonna be great. It's the return of Darth Vader plus Robot Casablanca.

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1 hour ago, Buzzrock said:

 


If the investigation ends with no charges filed against Trump, will you consider him squeaky clean as well?

 

Did the Hillary investigation end in about 30 indictments?

If Trump skates, it's because ..... Nope. He won't skate.

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2 hours ago, Sawbonz said:

I’m not interested in getting deep into this one, but the fact that the guy at ATT is personally known by 2 of our posters, one of whom is brisket, and they both describe him as a good guy, has to make you wonder did he just have a monumental lapse in judgement or was cohens request for pay to play not all that far from business as usual

Just for clarity's sake. David McAtee, the General Counsel of ATT, did not arrange with Cohen.  Someone else did.  Someone whose job it was to be a dirty motherfucker.  McAtee is by all accounts a good guy and a straight shooter, but the GC of most Fortune 500 companies spends a fair amount of his time holding his/her nose, or they turn into Karen Crowder.  I'm not suggesting he has turned into Karen Crowder.

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36 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Trump won’t get charged but he will be named in another indictment as a co-conspirator to obstruct justice and probably some other shit.

just like Nixon.

Assuming the facts support it, that would be the tidiest way for Mueller to implicate Trump without actually indicting him.  I agree that it seems pretty likely he is an "unindicted co-conspirator" in one or more indictments and identified as such in Mueller's report.

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29 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Just for clarity's sake. David McAtee, the General Counsel of ATT, did not arrange with Cohen.  Someone else did.  Someone whose job it was to be a dirty motherfucker.  McAtee is by all accounts a good guy and a straight shooter, but the GC of most Fortune 500 companies spends a fair amount of his time holding his/her nose, or they turn into Karen Crowder.  I'm not suggesting he has turned into Karen Crowder.

Legal can't help if legal isn't asked and in my experience, if legal is asked, the answer is generally no.

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Legal can't help if legal isn't asked and in my experience, if legal is asked, the answer is generally no.

And this, too.  A GC can try to be the conscience of the corporation, but can't fix what s/he doesn't know about and risks exhausting the patience of the rest of the c-suite if too conscientious.

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11 hours ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Trump won’t get charged but he will be named in another indictment as a co-conspirator to obstruct justice and probably some other shit.

just like Nixon.

I hope there are sealed indictments against the Trumps to be opened January 21, 2021.

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1 hour ago, RayDog said:

I hope there are sealed indictments against the Trumps to be opened January 21, 2021.

There are no barriers to prosecution of a non-sitting President, except perhaps for "official actions."  But is there any reason sealed indictments couldn't be used to toll limitations while a President is in office, for crimes either committed before becoming President or "ultra vires" crimes (non-official capacity)?

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7 minutes ago, Hank Scorpio said:

 

I liked Michael Che's line better, when he was discussing the possibility of Stormy having dick pics.

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So a lady is trying to show us revenge porn of a grandpa, and we're just okay with that?  What are you expecting to see?  What if it's good?  Are you prepared for that?  Are you prepared to see Donald Trump tear up some ass?  He's 6'-3" and dumb as rocks; you don't know what he's working with down there.

 

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Lol at all the trumptards believing that the investigation is ending 9/1.

Remember when the investigation was "nearing the end" a year ago after the first indictments??

Of course they dont, because these guys move the goalposts so much they dont even remember where they were to begin with.  

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Things seem to be stacking up at an alarming rate today.  

The giant meltdown on twitter by trump, WH not holding any press conference, trump holding the meeting with AG about the "spying", rod stone thinks hes getting indicted, the trump jr. meeting with other countries before the election...

Shit is piling up quick.  I feel that mueller is about to drop some bombs soon.  

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GOP media guy Rick Wilson dropping wisdom:  "The fact we haven't seen what Mueller has is evidence of discipline, not absence of evidence"

VVV  he gets it
 

Spoiler

 

2/ You know what the Trump fluffers are ignoring, yes? They don't want to ask the first causes question, and it's pretty clear why. The origins of so, so, so many counterintelligence operations start with SIGINT. This wasn't some political hack job. This was a rising wave...

3/ ...of information reaching various points in the IC and trickling UP the chain, not some top-down "Get Trump" operation. This wasn't the ripshit "We gots us a dossier, let's RIDE, cowboys!" fantasy being sold by the Trump right media and Gentry Breitbart.

4/ When you, your family your private attorney, your most senior (and junior) campaign staff, business partners, and associates are ass-deep in contacts with people tied to Russian organized crime, Russian intel, and Russian oligarchs (but I repeat myself), it's going to show up.

5/ As we've discussed, the FBI, DOC, IC, and FISA court ain't playing beanbag. They don't just say, "WHOA, Trump's a flaming dickbag! Let's subvert our oath and violate the law to screw him!" The Fox crowd uses the asymmetry of what the FBI/DOJ/OSC is forbidden to reveal (yet)

6/ ...to draw this lurid, stupid portrait for an evil Deep State conspiracy directed by Kenyan Muslim Sleeper Agent Obummer and Evil Sorceress Hillary the Child Cannibal for the credulous, the slow, and the wilfully mendacious who know better.

7/ With all the contacts, associations, meetings, business deals, money, and hard intel that the Russians were attacking our election that *caused* the attention the Trump, if you think the system should have sat quietly and done nothing, allow me to propose a gedankenexperiment.

8/ Substitute "Trump" for "Clinton" and "Russian" for "Muslim" (or "Chinese") and tell me you wouldn't want the FBI to *do it's damn job*

9/ I've said this from the very, very start. The IC has a royal flush, or damn near it. The fact that you haven't seen it yet is evidence of discipline, not absence.

10/ All this show, and bluster, and hair-tearing flim-flam from Team Trump is their usual disservice to the rule of law.


 

 

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8 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

TRUMP WAS WARNED 

 

 

"The situation was complicated by the fact that the FBI had already become aware of contacts between members of the Trump campaign and Russia, and was beginning to investigate further. Former CIA Director John Brennan has said he told the FBI about a pattern of contacts the CIA observed between members of the Trump team and Russians, and former FBI Director James Comey said the bureau then began investigating in July 2016.

Montoya and other former FBI officials told NBC News the FBI would not have wanted to compromise that investigation by saying too much in the counterintelligence briefing of Trump."

 

My god, the restraint shown by the IC all this time is only justified by the even greater depth to which Trump has deepened his grave and dug more for others.

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18 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

And I'm negging him accordingly.  Shit, if for no other reason than he's cluttering threads with 100 posts when 1-2 could do.  Also, he's on his third or fourth username.  Ban the fucking IP.

I've ignored him and sheeit so far on here.  Fair and Balanced.

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