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9 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Why did these idiots always conspire with Russians in Trump Tower?

Whatever happened to committing treason in an abandoned warehouse, a low key restaurant, or the back seat of a taxi cab?

Why were they so stupid/lazy?

Plausible deniability. Oh wait...what's the opposite of plausible deniability?

Serious answer: Unless a witness flipped, it would have been difficult for these meetings to be uncovered. They used the back door to enter and exit, so the media never knew. With the media covering the front door like vultures, they would have a partial alibi if any rumors of meetings did spring up.

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8 minutes ago, triplehorn said:

Evidently Mitch McConnell was spotted walking into the Trump Tower lobby by the C-Span lobby cam on 1/9/17 at 2:29:30  --- the same day Vekselberg was there to visit Cohen.

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Means nothing.

On the day of the big collusion meeting in June of 2016, all the Republican leaders were in the building for a fundraising event.

Edit:  after fact checking, maybe not... the fundraising event was at four seasons 

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Evidently Mitch McConnell was spotted walking into the Trump Tower lobby by the C-Span lobby cam on 1/9/17 at 2:29:30  --- the same day Vekselberg was there to visit Cohen.

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Nothingburger.  He was just there to pick up a few hundred kilos of Bolivian marching powder to give to his father-in-law.

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"GOD BLESS JUDGE ELLIS !"  Trump crowed from the podium at the NRA convention in Dallas a couple weeks ago. 

That was due to Ellis deciding to take a couple weeks to mull over whether Manafort's case can go forward.  Manafort asked the judge to review Mueller's authority to bring charges in an investigation that began well before the special counsel's appointment and focused on actions years before the campaign.

Ellis handed down an order today.  The Virginia case against Manafort is going to trial.

God bless Judge Ellis.

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6 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

I’ve noticed Natasha has been getting significantly fewer scoops since she went to the Atlantic.

Pure speculation based on body language in a video I saw after one of the interviews they appeared together in, but I think Felix Sater is one of her sources. I should have posted it at the time, I'll never be able to find it now. Sater told a joke, but it appeared to be an inside joke and only NB got it. Sater then reached over and grabbed NB by the arm, again indicating far more familiarity than public info suggests. 

She often drops news he's connected to and she gets prickly if anyone questions his integrity. 

It's just a hunch, but I think there is something to it. 

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José Grinda, who has spearheaded investigations into Spanish organized crime, said that bureau officials in recent months requested and were provided transcripts of wiretapped conversations between Torshin and Alexander Romanov, a convicted Russian money launderer. On the wiretaps, Romanov refers to Torshin as “El Padrino,” the godfather.

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Torshin has been the subject of intensifying U.S. government and congressional scrutiny over the past year and was recently among a lengthy list of oligarchs and Russian political figures sanctioned by the Treasury Department.  As reported by Yahoo News and the Spanish newspaper El País last year, the Spanish National Police were preparing to arrest Torshin in August 2013, when he was expected to fly to the Spanish island of Mallorca in August for the birthday party of Romanov. The arrest plan, which involved the deployment of more than a dozen police officers at the airport and at the hotel where the party was supposed to take place, grew out of a lengthy investigation headed by Grinda into Russian organized crime and money laundering. As part of the probe, the Guardia Civil wiretapped Romanov’s phone and picked up 33 conversations with Torshin.

The FBI has obtained secret wiretaps collected by Spanish police of conversations involving Alexander Torshin, a deputy governor of Russia’s Central Bank who has forged close ties with U.S. lawmakers and the National Rifle Association, that led to a meeting with Donald Trump Jr. during the gun lobby’s annual convention in Louisville, Ky., in May 2016, a top Spanish prosecutor said Friday.

José Grinda, who has spearheaded investigations into Spanish organized crime, said that bureau officials in recent months requested and were provided transcripts of wiretapped conversations between Torshin and Alexander Romanov, a convicted Russian money launderer. On the wiretaps, Romanov refers to Torshin as “El Padrino,” the godfather.

“Just a few months ago, the wiretaps of these telephone conversations were given to the FBI,” Grinda said in response to a question from Yahoo News during a talk he gave at the Hudson Institute, a conservative think tank in Washington. Asked if he was concerned about Torshin’s meetings with Donald Trump Jr. and other American political figures, Grinda replied: “Mr. Trump’s son should be concerned.”

The comments by Grinda were the first clear sign that the FBI may be investigating Torshin, possibly as a part of special counsel Robert Mueller’s probe into Russian interference in the 2016 U.S. presidential election. Torshin — a close political ally of Vladimir Putin — had multiple contacts with conservative activists in the United States during the election, seeking to set up a summit between the Russian president and then candidate Trump. Although the summit never transpired, Torshin did meet briefly with the president’s son at a private dinner in Louisville during the May 2016 annual convention of the NRA. A member of the NRA since 2012, Torshin has been a regular attendee of the group’s conventions in recent years and hosted senior members of the group in Moscow.

Grinda said that the FBI, in its request for the evidence to the Guardia Civil, the Spanish National Police, provided no explanation as to why it was interested in the material and he didn’t ask for one. “I don’t have to ask them why they want this information,” he said. But Grinda added that if Mueller or any other U.S. prosecutor seeks to use the material as part of a court case, they would have to make a second, more formal request to do so to the Spanish government.

Spokesmen for the FBI and Mueller’s office did not respond to requests for comment. Alan Futerfas, a lawyer for Trump Jr., said he was in a meeting and was unable to comment when contacted by Yahoo News.

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Torshin has been the subject of intensifying U.S. government and congressional scrutiny over the past year and was recently among a lengthy list of oligarchs and Russian political figures sanctioned by the Treasury Department.  As reported by Yahoo News and the Spanish newspaper El País last year, the Spanish National Police were preparing to arrest Torshin in August 2013, when he was expected to fly to the Spanish island of Mallorca in August for the birthday party of Romanov. The arrest plan, which involved the deployment of more than a dozen police officers at the airport and at the hotel where the party was supposed to take place, grew out of a lengthy investigation headed by Grinda into Russian organized crime and money laundering. As part of the probe, the Guardia Civil wiretapped Romanov’s phone and picked up 33 conversations with Torshin.

But Torshin never showed up for the party and he was never arrested. Grinda confirmed in an interview after his talk that some in the Guardia Civil suspected that Torshin had been tipped off to the arrest plan by Russian officials who had been asked to cooperate in the Spanish probe. But Grinda added that he was unable to prove that was why Torshin never showed up for the party.

Despite the suspicions about his ties to Russian money laundering, Torshin continued to travel frequently to the United States and even showed up as part of a Russian delegation in February 2017 to the National Prayer Breakfast, where he was at one point scheduled to meet with President Trump. (The meeting was canceled the night before, after National Security Council officials raised concerns about it.) More recently, Oregon Sen. Ron Wyden sent multiple letters to the NRA asking about its ties to Torshin and other Russian figures, questioning whether Russian money was funneled to the NRA to help pay for the more than $30 million the group spent on political ads and get out the vote efforts during the 2016 election.

An NRA lawyer, in responses to Wyden, said that Torshin has only paid his membership dues to the group and that, based on an internal review, the NRA received a total of only $2,500 from about 23 Russia-linked contributors since 2015. However, the NRA is now reviewing its relationship with Torshin in light of the Treasury Department blacklisting him last month. “Based on Mr. Torshin’s listing as a specially designated national as of April 6, we are currently reviewing our responsibilities with respect to him,” NRA general counsel John Frazer wrote to Wyden.

An NRA spokesman did not respond to a request for comment.

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FBI obtains Spanish wiretaps of Alexander Torshin, the Russian banker and Putin ally who met with Donald Trump Jr. at the NRA convention in 2016. "Trump's son should be concerned," says Spanish prosecutor.

 

 

This tweet ages without flaw:

Torshin + Don Jr = Rubles to $RNC$ via NRA.  On signals intelligence :

 

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Evidently Mitch McConnell was spotted walking into the Trump Tower lobby by the C-Span lobby cam on 1/9/17 at 2:29:30  --- the same day Vekselberg was there to visit Cohen.

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Per Haaretz,

"Another purported target of Mueller's investigation is Russian oligarch Viktor Vekselberg, an Israeli citizen with investments in Israel, for payments allegedly made to Michael Cohen. Vekselberg partnered with Israeli-Russian billionaires Len Blavatnik, who is invested in Israeli media, connected to Netanyahu and is also under Mueller’s spotlight, as well as Russian-Israeli billionaire Mikhail Fridman. One of their joint holdings was Alfa Bank, which, according to the Steele Dossier, owned a mysterious internet server found in Trump Tower. "

Blavatnik gave McConnell 2.5 million, so he was possibly meeting his Russian handler, which would explain a lot of his behavior.

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The Israeli/Putin/Trump aspect of this is a newer angle to all this that is also coming to a head.  For one, an indictment of Netanyahu for public corruption is gaining steam  and whatever other shady shit he's tied to. Then there's Israel based Black Cube psy-ops outfit enlisted by Trump Admin to spy on Obama officials. 

But more pertinent is the Israel as lily pad for Russian oligarchs story.  As mentioned above, there's the Vekselberg/Blavatnik/Israel/Trrump nexus.  But now add another, Putin linked billionaire oligarch and Chelsea football club owner Roman Abramovich, who is having, uh, difficulty renewing his UK visa:

 

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VVV This newsy little twit thread pertains to the indicted Concord Management and Consulting LLC who pleaded not guilty to a charge brought by Mueller that the company was party to a conspiracy to defraud the United States.

Concord is one of three Russian companies and 13 Russians indicted in February by Mueller on charges stemming from interference in the 2016 presidential election using social media. 

I don't speak legalese, but the complexity of the evidence in hand is apparent.  Atlanta, huh.

 

 

So, we’re back to posting tinfoil hat stuff from anonymous tweeters who can’t be arsed enough to get verified and who @ cornballs like Mensch? Don’t speak legalese, indeed.

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So, we’re back to posting tinfoil hat stuff from anonymous tweeters who can’t be arsed enough to get verified and who @ cornballs like Mensch? Don’t speak legalese, indeed.

You got bugs in your rug.  There's nothing tinfoil about factual observations of legal maneuvers and tracing the origins of mountains of evidence possessed by Mueller.

 

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You got bugs in your rug.  There's nothing tinfoil about factual observations of legal maneuvers and tracing the origins of mountains of evidence possessed by Mueller.

 

Spicy is a blowhard though.  I dig her enthusiasm but she can be a beating.

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The Israeli/Putin/Trump aspect of this is a newer angle to all this that is also coming to a head.  For one, an indictment of Netanyahu for public corruption is gaining steam  and whatever other shady shit he's tied to. Then there's Israel based Black Cube psy-ops outfit enlisted by Trump Admin to spy on Obama officials. 

But more pertinent is the Israel as lily pad for Russian oligarchs story.  As mentioned above, there's the Vekselberg/Blavatnik/Israel/Trrump nexus.  But now add another, Putin linked billionaire oligarch and Chelsea football club owner Roman Abramovich, who is having, uh, difficulty renewing his UK visa:

 

The Netanyahu/Putin/Trump angle isn’t new but it’s about to get a lot of exposure.

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11 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

Blavatnik has more connectivity to Harvard and Cambridge and the Queen of England than he does Putin.  Maybe they are in on the conspiracy too?

You posted that almost verbatim from an aged post on the old board.  You're not at sheeeit level of being willfully obtuse, but it's abundantly obvious that powerful people with a veneer of respectability for the legitimate work they do are also involved in highly corrupt and illegal activity.  Welcome to the secrets of ancient civilization, Anastasis.

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The Netenyahu/Putin/Trump angle isn’t new but it’s about to get a lot of exposure.

There's 'new' to any awareness, then there's 'new' to MSM reporting.  Yes, it's the latter.

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You posted that almost verbatim from an aged post on the old board.  You're not at sheeeit level of being willfully obtuse, but it's abundantly obvious that powerful people with a veneer of respectability for the legitimate work they do are also involved in highly corrupt and illegal activity.  Welcome to the secrets of ancient civilization, Anastasis.

So the Queen IS in play. And I never did trust those elitist academics anyways. 

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President Trump's lawyer Jay Sekulow used his personal Twitter account on Friday to promote conspiracy theories about "the Deep State" and a "soft coup" against Trump, calling on the president's supporters to fight back.

In a tweet, the attorney linked to a petition from the right-leaning American Center for Law and Justice, which Sekulow has run since 1992, that accuses the Obama State Department, run in part by former Secretary Hillary Clinton, of being part of a "shadow government" involved in a "soft coup" of the Trump administration.

"The revelation about the extent to which the #ClintonState Department colluded with the #ClintonFoundationshould shock no one. The #DeepState is real, and it's putting our #NationalSecurity in jeopardy. Sign to fight back," Sekulow wrote on Twitter.

 

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4 hours ago, Anastasis said:

So the Queen IS in play. And I never did trust those elitist academics anyways. 

Over the past year, in one stroke you howl and lament in response to the specter of Trump/GOP corruption coming to light, 'burn it all down', 'we deserve ourselves', and other tripe.  Then in the next stroke you flip the script to become Blavatnik's shine boy and launch whataboutism at Queen Elizabeth.  The internal inconsistency is striking. 

You're either wantonly full of it, or wear Cyrillic labeled peejays.

 

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How the fuck is that supposed to work? The #ObamaStateDepartment, by definition, would cease to exist once Obama's term was up, no? Yet it's actively trying to orchestrate a #SoftCoup from the past using the #TimeMachine Obama used to plant his birth announcement in the papers, and which is a redundant term given Trump is #SoftGelatinousFuck.

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1 hour ago, retread said:

You just have to shake your head that a sizable portion of our electorate laps up these word salads as fact. 

When it comes from his lawyers/hangers-on, I think it’s less about the electorate, and more about them making sure he knows they publicly support him.  There may come a time where they need a pardon. 

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When it comes from his lawyers/hangers-on, I think it’s less about the electorate, and more about them making sure he knows they publicly support him.  There may come a time where they need a pardon. 

It's partially that, but Fox wouldn't have them on if it wasn't serving their agenda and getting them ratings. Trump's messaging is working very well on his base. 

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You just have to shake your head that a sizable portion of our electorate laps up these word salads as fact. 

They never heard the term "deep state" until Trump became president but now firmly believe it's an actual thing. They don't know exactly what, but it sounds sinister and they're afraid of it. Because Donald Trump told them to be. Donald Fucking Trump of all people. Yeah, you can trust him.

Fools. 

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