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Already seeing lots of lines down to -7

So either it's already been bet down or Circa just has a wrong line. 

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West Virginia will travel to Texas this weekend. It's the third time the Mountaineers have hit the road, and they have yet to win a game outside of Morgantown this season. Las Vegas has apparently taken that into account when determining the line against the Longhorns. According to William Hill Sportsbook, WVU opens as seven point underdogs next weekend.

The over/under has been set at 58 points. 

https://247sports.com/college/west-virginia/Article/WVU-Football-Texas-Longhorns-odds-line-Vegas--153920621/ 

 

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Might affect gamblers....

https://westvirginia.rivals.com/news/west-virginia-football-kicker-staley-out-for-season-after-injury

West Virginia football kicker Staley out for season after injury

West Virginia will be without its starting placekicker for the rest of the season after redshirt senior Evan Staley announced the new on social media.

Staley had hit 6-9 field goals with a long of 45 this season and had made all 19 extra point attempts. The Romney native also handled kickoff for West Virginia booting 45 on the year with 4 touchbacks.

He was injured attempting to make a tackle on a kickoff return and was replaced by Casey Legg who made a pair of field goals and four extra points. Staley did not return to the game after heading to the sideline.

“Unfortunately, I will be out the rest of the year and will be getting surgery next week but I am ready to start the recovery process and already am counting down the days until I’m back on the field,” he wrote.

Staley has appeared in 40 career games for West Virginia. Even as a redshirt senior, Staley is eligible to return next year given NCAA rules this season allowing for this to be essentially a free year without costing an eligibility. 

 

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Moonshiners Best LB (Fields) missed 2nd Half vs Tech due to Targeting ejection.  Destroyed the K-State Offense this past Saturday...

 

A history lesson from 10 years ago that applies to Texas, Herman

By   FUCK CHIP BROWN        2 hours ago

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Normally, I wouldn’t waste your time with a history lesson from 10 years ago and how it might relate to football being played right here, right now.   But I sense a cautionary tale here. See if you agree.

The last time Texas went on the road and beat a top 10 team was 2010 at No. 7 Nebraska. The undefeated Cornhuskers were preparing to leave the Big 12 and couldn’t wait to exorcise all kinds of Longhorns’ demons against a 2-2 Texas team ripe for some kicking while down.  But Texas made it 9-1 against the Huskers during their time together in the Big 12 thanks to Garrett “Crazy Legs” Gilbert running 11 times for 71 yards and two touchdowns in a 20-14 upset that left Big Red Nation dialing therapists on the way out of Memorial Stadium.

The next week, Texas came home and lost to unranked Iowa State.

Mack Brown unraveled in front of our very eyes in the post-game of that loss to the Cyclones, questioning why his players and assistant coaches couldn’t get up for games. Texas went on to a 5-7 season in what was effectively the beginning of the end of Brown’s tenure at Texas.  That Nebraska win would prove to be Brown’s last win over a top 10 team at Texas even though he would coach three more seasons at UT.

By the way, that Iowa State team had a young offensive coordinator named Tom Herman.

In fact, it was that 28-21 Iowa State victory over the Longhorns that caused Will Muschamp to recommend Herman to Urban Meyer during a casual conversation in 2011 when Meyer was thinking of getting back into coaching at Ohio State after resigning at Florida due to health concerns and being replaced by Muschamp.

OK, so why am I telling you all this?   If Texas (4-2, 3-2 Big 12) wants to turn the program’s first road win over a top 10 opponent in a decade into a new script for the 2020 season, history can’t repeat itself 10 years later against West Virginia (4-2, 3-2) Saturday (11 a.m., ABC) at DKR.   

I say it all the time: The sign of a well-coached team is week-to-week improvement.  While it’s been hard to see that kind of improvement in a Texas team that seems to find new ways to dig itself out of deeper holes each week, West Virginia (4-2, 3-2) is rapidly improving under second-year coach Neal Brown.  While the Longhorns escaped Stillwater with a 41-34 overtime win with the help of four Oklahoma State turnovers, the Mountaineers dominated Kansas State — the Big 12’s only other unbeaten team in conference play heading into Saturday.

Thanks to the addition of Arizona graduate transfer linebacker Tony Fields II, who picked the Mountaineers over UT, West Virginia’s defense has become one of the Big 12’s best. Fields leads the Mountaineers in tackles (53) and is second in the Big 12 in tackles per game (8.8). Fields was ejected for targeting from the first half of WVU’s game at Texas Tech two weeks ago, and it was a huge factor in the Mountaineers’ loss to the Red Raiders. (Much like Juwan Mitchell’s first-half ejection for targeting was a huge factor in UT’s loss to TCU.). Fields had a team-leading 15 tackles in WVU’s 37-10 win over Kansas State as the Mountaineers held the Wildcats to only 41 yards rushing on 23 attempts. West Virginia pressured Wildcats’ quarterback Will Howard into three interceptions, including a pick-six.

An inconsistent Texas offense that still leads the Big 12 in scoring (44.3 points per game) converted just 2-of-15 third downs against Oklahoma State, had eight of its 15 drives go four plays or less and punted nine times.

West Virginia is ranked No. 1 in the Big 12 in run defense (97.8 yards per game), pass defense (157.8 YPG), interceptions (nine), sacks (20, tied with Oklahoma State), kickoff coverage and has the league’s second-best scoring defense, allowing just 19.8 points per game.  This week is likely to be every bit the challenge Texas had against Oklahoma State’s defense, but the Longhorns probably won’t be able to rely on great field position following four forced turnovers by the UT defense.

Meanwhile, West Virginia’s offense has quietly become more balanced and ranks No. 3 in the Big 12 in scoring (33.0 points per game).  Junior running back Leddie Brown is the Big 12’s second-leading rusher, averaging 115.7 yards rushing per game and 5.5 yards per carry with eight touchdowns while also catching 23 passes this season for 166 yards and two touchdowns.  Brown has created play-action opportunities for quarterback Jarret Doege, who is completing 64.2 percent of his passes with 11 touchdowns and three interceptions. Winston Wright Jr. and Sam James are Doege’s favorite targets in the passing game while Bryce Ford-Wheaton is the deep threat (averaging 18.8 yards per catch) with a team-leading three receiving touchdowns.  Doege is not a threat to run, but WVU has a better offensive line than Oklahoma State.

West Virginia, like Texas and Oklahoma State, had to battle through some off-the-field adversity leading into the season. Brown’s defensive coordinator at Troy and WVU,  Vic Koenning, was forced to resign in July after allegations of player mistreatment surfaced from WVU sophomore safety Kerry Martin Jr.  Brown promoted veteran defensive coach Jeff Casteel from an analyst position to outside linebackers coach and said the coordinator duties would be divided among the rest of his staff.  West Virginia has home wins over Eastern Kentucky, Baylor, Kansas and Kansas State and is 0-2 on the road after losing at Oklahoma State and Texas Tech.

According to William Hill Sportsbook, Texas is a seven-point favorite against the Mountaineers.  With Saturday’s win in Stillwater, Texas moved back into the AP Top 25 at No. 22 and quieted some of the noise surrounding the program about Herman’s job security.  But that noise will pick right back up if Herman suffers another loss to an unranked team while the Longhorns are a member of the AP Top 25. Herman has seven of those losses in four years at Texas - most in FBS in that span.

Herman should remember that Iowa State victory over Texas in 2010 that helped unravel things for Brown and helped elevate Herman.  If Herman wants to keep his tenure at Texas from unraveling, he needs to make sure history from a decade ago doesn’t repeat itself this Saturday.

 

 

https://247sports.com/college/texas/LongFormArticle/Texas-Longhorns-football-Tom-Herman-history-lesson-from-10-years-ago-Nebraska-Iowa-State-West-Virginia-Mack-Brown-154073669/#154073669_1  

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4 minutes ago, ousux said:

Which will feel like 10am to guys who have a week to adjust to the the cdt timechange

And Herman will have them up at the asscrack of dawn no matter what

Don't yah mean it will feel like noon right??       (Fall back an hour)

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Which will feel like 10am to guys used to cdt, or 9am if they havent adjusted to the gotdam time change..

And Herman will have them up at the asscrack of dawn no matter wjat

ABC/ESPN is giving us a solid. No doubt Herman will make sure they are “ready”. I hate this because once again I am rooting for a team I love with a coach that needs to goooooo. Can’t root for us to lose. This is UT football. Had Herman made some decisions sooner1–and not been so ducking arrogant about things, I might be on his side. Might. But we are still a mess with legit athletes. This sucks for him but the “Of Mice and Men” routine presser he did lost me well beyond the other shit. 

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A history lesson from 10 years ago that applies to Texas, Herman

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Normally, I wouldn’t waste your time with a history lesson from 10 years ago and how it might relate to football being played right here, right now.   But I sense a cautionary tale here. See if you agree.

The last time Texas went on the road and beat a top 10 team was 2010 at No. 7 Nebraska. The undefeated Cornhuskers were preparing to leave the Big 12 and couldn’t wait to exorcise all kinds of Longhorns’ demons against a 2-2 Texas team ripe for some kicking while down.  But Texas made it 9-1 against the Huskers during their time together in the Big 12 thanks to Garrett “Crazy Legs” Gilbert running 11 times for 71 yards and two touchdowns in a 20-14 upset that left Big Red Nation dialing therapists on the way out of Memorial Stadium.

The next week, Texas came home and lost to unranked Iowa State.

Mack Brown unraveled in front of our very eyes in the post-game of that loss to the Cyclones, questioning why his players and assistant coaches couldn’t get up for games. Texas went on to a 5-7 season in what was effectively the beginning of the end of Brown’s tenure at Texas.  That Nebraska win would prove to be Brown’s last win over a top 10 team at Texas even though he would coach three more seasons at UT.

By the way, that Iowa State team had a young offensive coordinator named Tom Herman.

In fact, it was that 28-21 Iowa State victory over the Longhorns that caused Will Muschamp to recommend Herman to Urban Meyer during a casual conversation in 2011 when Meyer was thinking of getting back into coaching at Ohio State after resigning at Florida due to health concerns and being replaced by Muschamp.

OK, so why am I telling you all this?   If Texas (4-2, 3-2 Big 12) wants to turn the program’s first road win over a top 10 opponent in a decade into a new script for the 2020 season, history can’t repeat itself 10 years later against West Virginia (4-2, 3-2) Saturday (11 a.m., ABC) at DKR.   

I say it all the time: The sign of a well-coached team is week-to-week improvement.  While it’s been hard to see that kind of improvement in a Texas team that seems to find new ways to dig itself out of deeper holes each week, West Virginia (4-2, 3-2) is rapidly improving under second-year coach Neal Brown.  While the Longhorns escaped Stillwater with a 41-34 overtime win with the help of four Oklahoma State turnovers, the Mountaineers dominated Kansas State — the Big 12’s only other unbeaten team in conference play heading into Saturday.

Thanks to the addition of Arizona graduate transfer linebacker Tony Fields II, who picked the Mountaineers over UT, West Virginia’s defense has become one of the Big 12’s best. Fields leads the Mountaineers in tackles (53) and is second in the Big 12 in tackles per game (8.8). Fields was ejected for targeting from the first half of WVU’s game at Texas Tech two weeks ago, and it was a huge factor in the Mountaineers’ loss to the Red Raiders. (Much like Juwan Mitchell’s first-half ejection for targeting was a huge factor in UT’s loss to TCU.). Fields had a team-leading 15 tackles in WVU’s 37-10 win over Kansas State as the Mountaineers held the Wildcats to only 41 yards rushing on 23 attempts. West Virginia pressured Wildcats’ quarterback Will Howard into three interceptions, including a pick-six.

An inconsistent Texas offense that still leads the Big 12 in scoring (44.3 points per game) converted just 2-of-15 third downs against Oklahoma State, had eight of its 15 drives go four plays or less and punted nine times.

West Virginia is ranked No. 1 in the Big 12 in run defense (97.8 yards per game), pass defense (157.8 YPG), interceptions (nine), sacks (20, tied with Oklahoma State), kickoff coverage and has the league’s second-best scoring defense, allowing just 19.8 points per game.  This week is likely to be every bit the challenge Texas had against Oklahoma State’s defense, but the Longhorns probably won’t be able to rely on great field position following four forced turnovers by the UT defense.

Meanwhile, West Virginia’s offense has quietly become more balanced and ranks No. 3 in the Big 12 in scoring (33.0 points per game).  Junior running back Leddie Brown is the Big 12’s second-leading rusher, averaging 115.7 yards rushing per game and 5.5 yards per carry with eight touchdowns while also catching 23 passes this season for 166 yards and two touchdowns.  Brown has created play-action opportunities for quarterback Jarret Doege, who is completing 64.2 percent of his passes with 11 touchdowns and three interceptions. Winston Wright Jr. and Sam James are Doege’s favorite targets in the passing game while Bryce Ford-Wheaton is the deep threat (averaging 18.8 yards per catch) with a team-leading three receiving touchdowns.  Doege is not a threat to run, but WVU has a better offensive line than Oklahoma State.

West Virginia, like Texas and Oklahoma State, had to battle through some off-the-field adversity leading into the season. Brown’s defensive coordinator at Troy and WVU,  Vic Koenning, was forced to resign in July after allegations of player mistreatment surfaced from WVU sophomore safety Kerry Martin Jr.  Brown promoted veteran defensive coach Jeff Casteel from an analyst position to outside linebackers coach and said the coordinator duties would be divided among the rest of his staff.  West Virginia has home wins over Eastern Kentucky, Baylor, Kansas and Kansas State and is 0-2 on the road after losing at Oklahoma State and Texas Tech.

According to William Hill Sportsbook, Texas is a seven-point favorite against the Mountaineers.  With Saturday’s win in Stillwater, Texas moved back into the AP Top 25 at No. 22 and quieted some of the noise surrounding the program about Herman’s job security.  But that noise will pick right back up if Herman suffers another loss to an unranked team while the Longhorns are a member of the AP Top 25. Herman has seven of those losses in four years at Texas - most in FBS in that span.

Herman should remember that Iowa State victory over Texas in 2010 that helped unravel things for Brown and helped elevate Herman.  If Herman wants to keep his tenure at Texas from unraveling, he needs to make sure history from a decade ago doesn’t repeat itself this Saturday.

 

https://247sports.com/college/texas/LongFormArticle/Texas-Longhorns-football-Tom-Herman-history-lesson-from-10-years-ago-Nebraska-Iowa-State-West-Virginia-Mack-Brown-154073669/#154073669_1  

 
Moonshiners Best LB (Fields) missed 2nd Half vs Tech due to Targeting ejection.  Destroyed the K-State Offense this past Saturday

 

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no way in fuck,  i mean we were favored by 14 over TCU and max fucking duggin shit all over us.  It will require OSSAI and crew to be super human again, our offense continues to regress and decline, to the point that sam looks like fucking dinucci in dallas.  Unless the Sam of old returns and by the meaning of sam the old, the guy who makes plays instead of sitting in teh pcket and falling down when pressure comes this one is another moonshine win in austin with a ranked texas  same old story

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Watching bits of of WV-K St. looks like they slowed down K-St's passing game and then only allowed 41 yds rushing. Can we establish a credible rushing game? Not just a rushing game to "keep them honest", but an actual "oh shit, here they come again rushing game.

Also, I'm damn tired of watching the pocket collapse around Sam. Whatever it is TCU figured out, everyone else has been exploiting it. Yet, we have apparently decided to just ignore it.

Short version, if I were a betting man, I'd take those ten points.

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2 minutes ago, 927 E. 41st said:

Watching bits of of WV-K St. looks like they slowed down K-St's passing game and then only allowed 41 yds rushing. Can we establish a credible rushing game? Not just a rushing game to "keep them honest", but an actual "oh shit, here they come again rushing game.

Also, I'm damn tired of watching the pocket collapse around Sam. Whatever it is TCU figured out, everyone else has been exploiting it. Yet, we have apparently decided to just ignore it.

Short version, if I were a betting man, I'd take those ten points.

We don't have a running game outside of Sam and the first (and some other random) series with Bijan. Roschon is hurt. Ingram is the same as he got here minus the allure of promise. Supposedly we got a grad transfer RB... supposedly. 

We don't have a running game and trying to delve into the problems with the passing game is too much of a fucking headache to outline. 

It took overtime when we were +4 in the turnover margin and had a kickoff return for a TD to win. 

This offense sucks and there's no excuse. 

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ABC/ESPN is giving us a solid. No doubt Herman will make sure they are “ready”. I hate this because once again I am rooting for a team I love with a coach that needs to goooooo. Can’t root for us to lose. This is UT football. Had Herman made some decisions sooner1–and not been so ducking arrogant about things, I might be on his side. Might. But we are still a mess with legit athletes. This sucks for him but the “Of Mice and Men” routine presser he did lost me well beyond the other shit. 

I had some watery kool-aid in a little juice glass this morning when I woke up. Maybe I'll wear burnt orange on Saturday but I still don't trust Herman to not fuck this up. I went with black for the Baylor game and gray for the osu game. Felt appropriate. Might be a white apparel type day on Saturday. The Rose Bowl polo is remaining in my closet until we are playing in a B12 title game.

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27 minutes ago, 927 E. 41st said:

Watching bits of of WV-K St. looks like they slowed down K-St's passing game and then only allowed 41 yds rushing. Can we establish a credible rushing game? Not just a rushing game to "keep them honest", but an actual "oh shit, here they come again rushing game.

Also, I'm damn tired of watching the pocket collapse around Sam. Whatever it is TCU figured out, everyone else has been exploiting it. Yet, we have apparently decided to just ignore it.

Short version, if I were a betting man, I'd take those ten points.

TCU figured out our OL is 4 bags of shit and Cosmi.

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Uh, well see...we're playing a team that's used to being on Eastern Time.  And we uh, switched an hour this Sunday  so we're gonna be like two hours off our gameplan on Saturday.  So uh.../Herman

Tom's verbiage the last four weeks starting to sound like Mack's in his last four years.  

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I eagerly await seeing if our team captain and senior OL Kerstetter can more his streak of consecutive games with a penalty to 4. The leadership he shows in being undisciplined and stupid is inspiring and sets the tone for the entire OL.

Then just like Christopher Walken and cowbell I want even more Cade Brewer. Target that dude 22 times this game. I have a fever for shitty offense, and the only prescription is more Brewer!!!!

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I eagerly await seeing if our team captain and senior OL Kerstetter can more his streak of consecutive games with a penalty to 4. The leadership he shows in being undisciplined and stupid is inspiring and sets the tone for the entire OL.

Then just like Christopher Walken and cowbell I want even more Cade Brewer. Target that dude 22 times this game. I have a fever for shitty offense, and the only prescription is more Brewer!!!!

If Urban comes he's going to walk in and see Jared Wiley just sitting there twiddling his thumbs and get him on the field like the scene in One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest where Jack's character gets Chief to play basketball.

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9 hours ago, Nicole44 said:

ABC/ESPN is giving us a solid. No doubt Herman will make sure they are “ready”. I hate this because once again I am rooting for a team I love with a coach that needs to goooooo. Can’t root for us to lose. This is UT football. Had Herman made some decisions sooner1–and not been so ducking arrogant about things, I might be on his side. Might. But we are still a mess with legit athletes. This sucks for him but the “Of Mice and Men” routine presser he did lost me well beyond the other shit. 

I can't root for us to lose, but if it means Herman is gone, I won't be upset when it happens. 

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