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Multiple shooters suspected, because confrontation is spread all across the city.  One shot and serious injured police.  various clips posted on twitter.  supposed islamists targeting synagogues, but not yet confirmed.

Shit is wild

 

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5 minutes ago, 52-80 said:

You sure love your boogeymen

Dude.  I'm not exactly plucking this out of the ether - it's been acknowledged and studied in recent years.  And it is, not surprisingly, tied to the fact that nazism and nazi sympathies were allowed to persist in Austria more than anywhere else, so they've persisted through family and cultural ties.

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In addition to former Nazi involvement in local politics, the researchers point to family ties as an underlying reason for the legacy of far-right values in Austria.

“The transmission of political attitudes within families for at least three generations and the spatial pattern of local party branches provide a rationale to explain the long-term effect of migrated extremists,” the researchers explained. “We document that migrated Nazis founded and penetrated local party branches at their destination.”

Although researchers also accounted for other variables that might cause Austria to lean right in the 21st century, like unemployment levels, income, immigration, and eligibility for funding from the EU, no other variable quite accounted for the support of far-right ideas quite like Nazi heritage.

“We were surprised to learn that imported extremism can survive for generations and does not fade away,” said the paper’s lead author Felix Roesel in a statement.

Shit, polling from just a few years ago in 2013:

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As Austria prepares to mark the anniversary of its annexation by Nazi Germany, an opinion poll has shown that more than half of the population think it highly likely that the Nazis would be elected if they were readmitted as a party.

A further 42 per cent agreed with the view that life “wasn’t all bad under the Nazis”, and 39 per cent said they thought a recurrence of anti-Semitic persecution was likely in Austria.

The disturbing findings were contained in a poll conducted for the Vienna newspaper, “Der Standard” in advance of Tuesday’s 75th anniversary of Austria’s Nazi annexation - a date which still counts as one of the most shameful and controversial in the country’s history.

 

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20 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

I liked Vienna okay....but dude.....Austria is still nazi as fuck.

So the Jews at the synagogue that is being shot up are Nazis? Look it would be one thing if these Islamic Fundamentalist were shooting the Rural farmers you reference below but they are shooting up Jewish houses of worship. I don't think the shooters are doing it due to lingering Nazi leanings in the Austrian populace.

 

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3 minutes ago, ztejas said:

Hey, we made it 7 posts before the thread became about Nazis. Not bad.

Well, I mean....the story is about shooting up synagogues in Austria.  It's kinda relevant.   Jews are still somewhat nervous there.  They remain an out group in a lot of respects.

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5 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Dude.  I'm not exactly plucking this out of the ether - it's been acknowledged and studied in recent years.  And it is, not surprisingly, tied to the fact that nazism and nazi sympathies were allowed to persist in Austria more than anywhere else, so they've persisted through family and cultural ties.

 

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4 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

They remain an out group in a lot of respects.

They're kind of an out group everywhere outside of America and Israel, aren't they? 

Shit, even in America we still don't let them run for office. 

 

(Okay well now I accidentally went CR - maybe we can try this thread again)

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22 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Dude.  I'm not exactly plucking this out of the ether - it's been acknowledged and studied in recent years.  And it is, not surprisingly, tied to the fact that nazism and nazi sympathies were allowed to persist in Austria more than anywhere else, so they've persisted through family and cultural ties.

Shit, polling from just a few years ago in 2013:

 

What exactly do you think it means to be "nazi as fuck", except as a label to castigate anyone you don't like, i.e. anyone right of center. 

Is it kinda like how every person in America has to either a socialist or a fascist?

They called the FPÖ that, which just happened to have lost their seats compared to 201$.

It's about as meaningless as claiming Texas is just full of Confederates

 

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What exactly do you think it means to be "nazi as fuck", except as a label to castigate anyone you don't like, i.e. anyone right of center. 
Is it kinda like how every person in America has to either a socialist or a fascist?
They called the FPÖ that, which just happened to have lost their seats compared to 201$.
It's about as meaningless as claiming Texas is just full of Confederates
 
I mean Austria has one of the strongest nazi/vestiges of naziism populations in Europe.
You go to Berlin and tour the museum, the discussion of the rise of nazis and their governing period is sober, somber, and very matter of fact, with an appropriate amount of shame.
In Austria, you can go in a museum and see this:  

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50 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Dude.  I'm not exactly plucking this out of the ether - it's been acknowledged and studied in recent years.  And it is, not surprisingly, tied to the fact that nazism and nazi sympathies were allowed to persist in Austria more than anywhere else, so they've persisted through family and cultural ties.

Shit, polling from just a few years ago in 2013:

 

I worked in Budapest, Hungary and the old Czecheslovakia after grad school and traveled and did business in Austria and Germany. Except for an old man in Duren, Germany who put lard on his bread and acted and probably was a Nazi, it always seemed to me like Austria was more "German" than Germany or the Czech Republic.

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5 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

I mean Austria has one of the strongest nazi/vestiges of naziism populations in Europe.
You go to Berlin and tour the museum, the discussion of the rise of nazis and their governing period is sober, somber, and very matter of fact, with an appropriate amount of shame.
In Austria, you can go in a museum and see this:  

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Lol.  Vestige.  Well no fucking shit, Hitler was born Austrian and there was that totally insignificant period called the Anschluss. 

That's like saying the Donner Pass has vestiges of cannibalism.  It's not saying much.

So again, what do you really mean by it being "Nazi as fuck"?  That there are Nazi paraphernalia....in a MUSEUM of all places?  The shock and horror!

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Lol.  Vestige.  Well no fucking shit, Hitler was born Austrian and there was that totally insignificant period called the Anschluss. 

That's like saying the Donner Pass has vestiges of cannibalism.  It's not saying much.

So again, what do you really mean by it being "Nazi as fuck"?  That there are Nazi paraphernalia....in a MUSEUM of all places?  The shock and horror!

No, I mean that there are more people with nazi sympathies in Austria than anywhere else in Europe.  I didn't say that.  A crapload of Austrians did:

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more than half of the population think it highly likely that the Nazis would be elected if they were readmitted as a party.

A further 42 per cent agreed with the view that life “wasn’t all bad under the Nazis”, and 39 per cent said they thought a recurrence of anti-Semitic persecution was likely in Austria.

 

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16 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

I mean Austria has one of the strongest nazi/vestiges of naziism populations in Europe.
You go to Berlin and tour the museum, the discussion of the rise of nazis and their governing period is sober, somber, and very matter of fact, with an appropriate amount of shame.
In Austria, you can go in a museum and see this:  

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My GOD!  Museums showing things from the past!!!   

I've been to the US Holocaust museum and apparently that place and the Jews who run it must be Nazi as fuck!

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6 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

No, I mean that there are more people with nazi sympathies in Austria than anywhere else in Europe.  I didn't say that.  A crapload of Austrians did:

 

First sentence is as instructive as "more than half of texans agreed that barack obama is a kenyan-born socialist"

 

Second sentence, in 2013, the person who was born on the last day of the the nazi occupation would have been 68 years old, so where do you find 39% of the population to attest that "life wasn't that bad"?

 

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My GOD!  Museums showing things from the past!!!   

I've been to the US Holocaust museum and apparently that place and the Jews who run it must be Nazi as fuck!

Super covert profession to express your inner nazi scot-free ! 

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1 hour ago, BrazilHorn said:

So the Jews at the synagogue that is being shot up are Nazis? Look it would be one thing if these Islamic Fundamentalist were shooting the Rural farmers you reference below but they are shooting up Jewish houses of worship. I don't think the shooters are doing it due to lingering Nazi leanings in the Austrian populace.

 

I hate Jewish Vienna Nazi's....

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7 minutes ago, 52-80 said:

First sentence is as instructive as "more than half of texans agreed that barack obama is a kenyan-born socialist"

 

Second sentence, in 2013, the person who was born on the last day of the the nazi occupation would have been 68 years old, so where do you find 39% of the population to attest that "life wasn't that bad"?

 

Ummmm.....people repeating what their parents/grandparents told them?  That's actually a thesis of the first piece I posted -- that beliefs are handed down through family systems.

I mean, we have plenty of people here in the US saying, today, that slaves didn't have it so bad.  And I'm positive that 0% of them were alive during legal slavery.

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4 hours ago, ztejas said:

"this issue" being an issue that has nothing to do with the news story.

True, but it is an interesting fact that most people in our society don't know. Shoot, even if your user name was ZBTejas you would most likely be unaware of its rigid culture. Most people in the US have more of a romantic, "Sound of Music" vision of the country.

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Just so we're clear, the one bad guy they shot was an Islamic terrorists.  Might could be a nazi as well, but unlikely.

Austrian police have urged people to stay indoors as they hunt for suspects after a multiple gun attack in the capital Vienna that killed four people.

A gunman shot dead by police has been identified as a 20-year-old "Islamist terrorist". He was released early from jail in December.

Seven of the 17 people wounded have life-threatening injuries. Gunmen opened fire at six locations in the city centre on Monday evening.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-54788613

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