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  On 12/18/2020 at 6:31 PM, washparkhorn said:

New Branding Option for the Democratic Party:

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Democrats Have a Problem. Workers, Wages, Weed May Be the Answer. (It's a light article and worth a read)

There appears to be no alternative to winning over a lot of Trump voters. And that means getting Republican-leaning non-college-educated voters to see the Democratic Party in a different light.

What centralizing messaging should entail is reaching internal consensus around a small number of policies that are:

  • broadly popular,
  • difficult if not impossible for Republicans to support,
  • especially resonant with non-college-educated voters, and
  • of high substantive value (since centering these policies in messaging will mean putting them toward the top of the governing agenda upon victory)

“Workers, Wages, Weed” seems like a solid fit for the Democrats’ branding needs as 

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"Despite winning an unusually high share of the vote by modern standards, the Democratic Party may be incapable of governing in 2021, and is extremely likely to lose control of Congress after the 2022 midterms. After all, if the party lost (at least) nine House seats in a national environment that favored Democrats by 4.5 points, in a midterm environment (that almost always advantages the opposition party), it’s likely to lose more.

This is especially true in light of the party’s poor showing in state legislative races: Following the 2020 census, states across the country will be redrawing their House maps, and Republicans will now have far more say over redistricting than Democrats. Given advances in precision-gerrymandering technology and the growing geographic concentration of Democratic voters (which makes it even easier to dilute their influence through biased map-making), we can expect the House playing field to be even more tilted toward Republicans over the coming decade than it was in 2020."

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This is a good idea.  Although legal weed is no longer something they can counter GOP with as pretty much everybody is acting cool with it.  They need to be known as the party of the worker.

 

Dems need to continue to embrace universal healthcare, higher minimum wage, and increased access to capital for education and home ownership.

They need to drop the phrase “defund the police” and avoid gender issues.  For now.  Also they should avoid abortion talk as long as they have power.  Gun control should be a part of the platform but they need to be careful with their messaging; focus on increased background checks, not on buybacks or reductions in weapon types.

They need to add avoiding war to their platform.  This can be their counter to anti-globalization efforts from the right.

Lastly, and most importantly, they need to attack misinformation head on.  It’s an epidemic and for now they are the closest thing to the party of truth.  They’ve got to use the next 2 years to kill Trumpism and reverse the trend of rampant misinformation.

 

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  On 1/14/2021 at 3:49 PM, BradInATX said:

 

To be honest, I didn't realize these were two separate things. I've never watched an inauguration or the made for TV nonsense afterwards. That's slightly less offensive.

I still stand by the point though. It's a bunch of white Hollywood elites, bar Bon Jovi who is fucking terrible anyway. Get some middle America in there. Get some minorities in there. You can get stuff that isn't considered Hollywood and still have the performers not be Trumpers. Call up Sturgill Simpson. Get some people of color. It's four white people, three that are Hollywood/Cali types, and one that sucks shit through a straw. It's terrible. It reads exactly like the list that a San Francisco marketing company that employs nothing but super-white millennials that go to brunch twice a week would come up with. Complete with them throwing a single minority in at the very bottom of the card because they called up Hanks, Timberlake, Bon Jovi, and Lovato and then realized "oops, we don't have any PoC - fuck, we gotta get one in there!". 

It's insulting to the people that put them in office. I know in the grand scheme of things it's not a big deal, but it's microcosmic of the type of bullshit that cost Hillary the rust belt and gave us four years of Trump.

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The number of people in this country besides you who care about this is probably under 100. I haven’t even seen leftist Twitter bitching about this and they’ll find any reason to bitch about Biden.

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  On 1/14/2021 at 3:59 PM, wildcat09 said:

The number of people in this country besides you who care about this is probably under 100. I haven’t even seen leftist Twitter bitching about this and they’ll find any reason to bitch about Biden.

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This might be true. I really hate Bon Jovi.

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  On 1/14/2021 at 3:59 PM, wildcat09 said:

The number of people in this country besides you who care about this is probably under 100. I haven’t even seen leftist Twitter bitching about this and they’ll find any reason to bitch about Biden.

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The left, "Healthcare plz"

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Jaime Harrison is the new DNC chair. 

Great pick - a former state party chair who knows how important it is to keep state parties funded and focused on their state's unique political leanings. 

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  On 1/14/2021 at 3:59 PM, wildcat09 said:

The number of people in this country besides you who care about this is probably under 100. I haven’t even seen leftist Twitter bitching about this and they’ll find any reason to bitch about Biden.

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This is a good point.

We are literally a week and a day past a fucking coup attempt, Donald Trump was just impeached again, 965,000 Americans are on unemployment (+190,000 from last week) and 385,000 Americans are dead of COVID-19 - Bon Jovi performing at a televised concert event on Jan 20 is so far down the god damn list of things to care about. 

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  On 1/14/2021 at 4:45 PM, Js1 said:

This is a good point.

We are literally a week and a day past a fucking coup attempt, Donald Trump was just impeached again, 965,000 Americans are on unemployment (+190,000 from last week) and 385,000 Americans are dead of COVID-19 - Bon Jovi performing at a televised concert event on Jan 20 is so far down the god damn list of things to care about. 

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Let's see how the last page of this thread ages when the Republicans successfully implement their plan of shifting their image to the party of the blue collar, including Hispanics, and take over that mantra while they (and the Democrats themselves) paint team blue into a corner of SJWs and woke elitists. Because that's what's probably going to happen and all of this fan fiction about Republicans being in trouble is probably going to unravel as soon as 2022.

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Yup, that's us, notoriously optimistic about Democratic messaging and bought in to the idea that the Republicans will destroy themselves as an electoral force.

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  On 1/14/2021 at 5:01 PM, wildcat09 said:

Yup, that's us, notoriously optimistic about Democratic messaging and bought in to the idea that the Republicans will destroy themselves as an electoral force.

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You must not have been reading this board lately. The GOP is splitting in half and is done for at least a decade.

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Dems are back on their Dem shit already:

 

There's substantial polling indicating that the promise of $2,000 checks won both Georgia Senate seats and they're already talking about breaking that promise for no reason. 

ETA: Shit like THIS is why the GOP will remain a potent political force, not some online inauguration concert.

 

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I actually always thought it was $1400 to make it $2000. You got your $600, but a Dem Senate was going to pass $1400 to get you to the $2k. 

After the $600 passed the first time, that was the proposal Mitch killed from Trump - to add $1400 to make it an even $2k. 

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  On 1/14/2021 at 7:24 PM, Js1 said:

I actually always thought it was $1400 to make it $2000. You got your $600, but a Dem Senate was going to pass $1400 to get you to the $2k. 

After the $600 passed the first time, that was the proposal Mitch killed from Trump - to add $1400 to make it an even $2k. 

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The promises sure didn't make that clear. People were promised $2,000 checks. In most people's minds they don't hear that and think "oh Biden's going to pay me $1,400 in addition to the $600 Trump check I already got." It's just the dumbest fucking thing to do this Democrat shit on. You made a very simple and clear promise and the more money you give people the more stimulus the economy gets! And you're going to break it out of some insanely fucking stupid attempt at looking bipartisan? A ton of GOP supported $2k checks two fucking weeks ago. Offer that and if they've changed their minds call them out on it!

I hate this shit. I hate it so fucking much.

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The much championed CASH Act by the left darlings like AOC and passed the House and advocated by Sanders accomplished the exact same thing as Biden’s plan - $1400 more to add up to a $2000 stimulus. It’s a second portion of your second stimulus  

Now they suddenly want $2600. 

Do I think it’ll end up $2000 checks in the end? Probably, with enough pressure. 

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I will say, if $1400 + $15 minimum wage passes in the same bill, I think a lot of people would forgive the $1400/$2000 confusion 

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  On 1/14/2021 at 4:57 PM, BradInATX said:

Let's see how the last page of this thread ages when the Republicans successfully implement their plan of shifting their image to the party of the blue collar, including Hispanics, and take over that mantra while they (and the Democrats themselves) paint team blue into a corner of SJWs and woke elitists. Because that's what's probably going to happen and all of this fan fiction about Republicans being in trouble is probably going to unravel as soon as 2022.

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You forgot billionaires who vote Dem because they find Trump's version of the GOP tacky. That's the new Dem base -- humorless, self-righteous scolds and top-out-of-sight billionaires in places like the Hamptons and Malibu. 

This has been an actual plan since the late '70s. The Dems have cut ties with the working class in order to win over the suburbs and certain segments of the elite. It's shitty track record at the polls has not dissuaded DNC leadership from the idea that this is a terrible plan. There was no way Clinton could have won in '92 w/o Perot, Gore should have wiped the floor with Bush, just as Kerry should have done. And then Hillary managed to lose to Trump.

Obama is something of an exception but only in terms of what he campaigned for as opposed to what he accomplished. In other words he campaigned like an old-school Dem but governed like Bush I. 

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  On 1/15/2021 at 4:49 AM, Js1 said:

I will say, if $1400 + $15 minimum wage passes in the same bill, I think a lot of people would forgive the $1400/$2000 confusion 

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I think there's a lot more to this bill than the $2000.  The stop eviction/foreclosure is big, and reduces a lot of stress on a lot of people.   The hiking of minimum wage is big too, though I disagree with it, since it's simply a pass through cost.  But in the short term it will make some difference.    I would expect the UE benefits will be higher and easier to obtain as well.   Not to mention the PPP system built for the small guy and locking out grifters.  

We should be talking about these things, not the $600 difference.  But it's easier to bitch that than extoll the other parts of the bill.   For messaging Biden needs to put together a checklist.  Put $2000/one time on one side, and a total of the average benefit this bill will make for those deeply affected.   Run those figures for 6 months, see which weighs out better.  

When you are worried about being put on the street because there is no work, or you are sick with Covid, or the aftereffects, then knowing your landlord isn't tossing you until you get back on your feet is huge.  Then you can use what you have to meet other necessities.   And the idea that mom and pop landlords are not going to bear the brunt of that expense shows they are looking out for all, not the slumlords like Kushner.   I do wonder if all these AirBnB entrepreneurs will be bailed out or not.  

 

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I agree it's a good bill and that the other shit outweighs $600, but why not do both? Why break the promise of $2,000 checks for no reason? What, are they afraid of sending the cost over $2 trillion? When Biden already said fuck the deficit scolds? In what's looking like it could become a depression?

It's the most Democrat shit ever to finally figure out that you should make some simple promises to people that you can actually come through on, and still find a way to fuck up the execution. It was such a goddamn simple and effective promise and they just can't help but find a way to shoot themselves in the dick, and for what? Some leftover residual PTSD from GOP deficit scolds? 

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  On 1/15/2021 at 2:45 PM, wildcat09 said:

I agree it's a good bill and that the other shit outweighs $600, but why not do both? Why break the promise of $2,000 checks for no reason? What, are they afraid of sending the cost over $2 trillion? When Biden already said fuck the deficit scolds? In what's looking like it could become a depression?

It's the most Democrat shit ever to finally figure out that you should make some simple promises to people that you can actually come through on, and still find a way to fuck up the execution. It was such a goddamn simple and effective promise and they just can't help but find a way to shoot themselves in the dick, and for what? Some leftover residual PTSD from GOP deficit scolds? 

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This.  It's either an easy win or a stupid loss for the Dems.

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Hey cool we're in "don't let great be the enemy of good" territory again where Democrats furiously and personally scolded everyone who dared question the leadership.

Luckily that strategy already lost us the states and the courts so we have less to lose when this strategy fails miserably yet again.

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  On 1/15/2021 at 3:16 PM, Js1 said:

 

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That last one may be accurate, but it doesn't matter.  People were promised $2000 (whether they meant it or not) and that is what the Dems should step up and do.  They afraid they are going to make too many people happy or what?  I'm getting $0, so I don't give a fuck personally, but it just seems like a slam dunk political win.

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If I say a voter, "If you vote for me I'll get you a $2k check" and then I say, "I meant $1.4k the whole time, don't you follow the politics of Capitol Hill negotiations you idiot??"

How does that voter feel about me?

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  On 1/15/2021 at 4:01 PM, bad_teammate said:

If I say a voter, "If you vote for me I'll get you a $2k check" and then I say, "I meant $1.4k the whole time, don't you follow the politics of Capitol Hill negotiations you idiot??"

How does that voter feel about me?

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Too fucking bad. What is that person going to do, not vote for a Democrat? 

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  On 1/15/2021 at 4:21 PM, Hank Scorpio said:

Too fucking bad. What is that person going to do, not vote for a Democrat? 

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Love that they're still yelling at Left Twitter, which wasn't even relevant when Bernie was at his highest peak and is beyond irrelevant at this point.

Sweet Jesus

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  On 1/15/2021 at 3:39 PM, The Hot Dog Buffet said:

It doesn't matter if they cut the $1400 checks they have been trying to pass all along or bump it up to $2000. Stupid people with inferiority complexes are going to figure out a way to feel lied to and abused, regardless.

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I mean if you lie to people they will feel lied to. And I’m sure they appreciate the condescending view of themselves.

That said this is an incredible plan but one fuckup can ruin messaging around it, especially when you literally said “vote for us and we will give you $2k checks”

Posted
  On 1/19/2021 at 2:38 AM, washparkhorn said:

The headline is a bit misleading. 50-50 Senate = same number in committees. Committee chair determines whether the matter moves forward.  IIRC

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Yup. Technically no one has the “majority.” Harris is the presiding officer, not a vote on leader/rules. They had to power share in 2001 too with a 50/50 Senate. 

Chair sets the agenda. The issue will be advancing things out of committee with equal number of members, but there should be 5-6 normal GOP members to do that.  But last time, it allowed the majority leader to move the bill or nomination to the floor 

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Thread on why the power sharing isn’t really that bad for democrats. They’re functionally the majority because committee ties go to the Dems (no different than if they had 51/49 control in terms of advancing bills and nominations)

 



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