The Democratic Party

[Dutchrudder 11138]

39 minutes ago, Tom said:

 

Pathetic.  Same strategy they pushed with Trump.  How did that work out?

Back in 2008, there was a significant amount of Republicans voting for Obama in states with open primaries in order to give them an easier matchup in the election. My parents, who are hardcore right wing, fox news watching, fundamentalist Christian, antivaxxers voted for Obama in 2008, and were very proud of their strategic voting choice. Well, that didn't work out to well for them and I love to remind them of it...lol

Edited June 22, 2022 by Dutchrudder

[Pancho 44765]

Ive said something similar. Current Ds are just do not have the stamina to actually do things. Either that or they just don’t care. Sometimes it feels like D leadership believes it is beneath them yo actually fight for what is right and what the majority of this country believes in. 
 

 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

House, Senate, and White House.  
 

But Senate Parliamentarian, filibuster, and Joe Manchin are insurmountable obstacles to agenda.  Oh well! 

[Gengs1 2583]

They will talk about it and have a rally or 2 and disappear and accept defeat and repeat.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

 

[Michael Knight 12977]

 

[gmr548 16576]

Ive said something similar. Current Ds are just do not have the stamina to actually do things. Either that or they just don’t care. Sometimes it feels like D leadership believes it is beneath them yo actually fight for what is right and what the majority of this country believes in. 
 
 

Most of Democratic leadership will be dead in ten years, if not five. Chuck Schumer is the youngest, by a significant margin, of the Speaker of the House, House Majority Leader, House Majority Whip, Senate Majority Leader, Senate President Pro Tempore, Senate Majority Whip, and President… at age 71. Maybe they care on an intellectual level, but the sense of urgency just isn’t there. Whether they can’t or won’t it’s semantics.

[Satchel 6938]

7 hours ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

 

Is that all the Dems have done since 2000?

[F250 28770]

1 hour ago, gmr548 said:

Most of Democratic leadership will be dead in ten years, if not five. Chuck Schumer is the youngest, by a significant margin, of the Speaker of the House, House Majority Leader, House Majority Whip, Senate Majority Leader, Senate President Pro Tempore, Senate Majority Whip, and President… at age 71. Maybe they care on an intellectual level, but the sense of urgency just isn’t there. Whether they can’t or won’t it’s semantics.

The Democratic leadership is a bunch of old rich white people with no skin in the game. Nothing that happens really impacts them or their families. They exist simply for the control of power. They are a major part of the problem in America. The opposition cannot be lead by comfortable fat cats without something to lose.

 

[Fastbreak 3985]

Monday morning there should be a bill presented called something fuzzy like “save the children” or “every child matters”

In the bill it should have:

Free pre-natal care
6 weeks of paid time off for parents
Free hospital costs for birth
Free health care until 18
Free dental until 18
Expansion of foster care
Streamlining of adoption services

But the dems are too pussy to do shit, but sit and take it deep.

Make them vote and explain why every child does not matter.

[Vegas64 673]

Just saw this stat: The hottest new trend sweeping the country? Registering as a Republican. More than 1 million voters across 43 states have switched to the GOP in the last year, compared to just 630,000 who switched over to the Democrats’ side, according to an AP analysis. Extra worrying for Dems is that many defectors to the GOP hail from suburban counties that had shifted blue in recent elections.

This was before the Roe vs. Wade fiasco which the AP states could help reverse things, but my goodness, is there more of a referendum against the tone-deaf "just drive less" and "just pack a lunch" in the face of real problems for everyone not in the top 1% stratosphere of net wealth? We are dying out here and need some help, on all fronts.

Quote

 

over the last year, roughly two-thirds of the 1.7 million voters who changed their party affiliation shifted to the Republican Party. In all, more than 1 million people became Republicans compared to about 630,000 who became Democrats.

The broad migration of more than 1 million voters, a small portion of the overall U.S. electorate, does not ensure widespread Republican success in the November midterm elections, which will determine control of Congress and dozens of governorships. Democrats are hoping the Supreme Court’s decision on Friday to overrule Roe v. Wade will energize supporters, particularly in the suburbs, ahead of the midterms.

 

https://apnews.com/article/2022-midterm-elections-biden-covid-health-presidential-e50db07385831e67f866ec45402be8b9?

[StassneyHorn 6575]

There are only 31 states that require party registration. The article and the work is flimsy.

[Vegas64 673]

5 minutes ago, StassneyHorn said:

There are only 31 states that require party registration. The article and the work is flimsy.

Okay. I hope so.

But if not, then what? Weren't you the one who was saying shut up about gas prices and just drive less or move closer to your job, as if that was possible for everyone?

[Fastbreak 3985]

There are only 31 states that require party registration. The article and the work is flimsy.

So only 62 percent. I think then it’s clear that the dems should keep doing nothing and just pray for that reach around once the QOP is done with them.

[Bama Chick 28596]

Yeah - that article is shit.

They also don’t take into account people switching parties for the primaries.

Their research methodology was garbage.

[softlynow 1814]

4 minutes ago, Vegas64 said:

Okay. I hope so.

But if not, then what? Weren't you the one who was saying shut up about gas prices and just drive less or move closer to your job, as if that was possible for everyone?

People should definitely vote for the party that will end the war in Ukraine . . . which is the the GOP, who will allow Putin to annex what he wants in exchange for dark money and social media assistance.

[Vegas64 673]

44 minutes ago, softlynow said:

People should definitely vote for the party that will end the war in Ukraine . . . which is the the GOP, who will allow Putin to annex what he wants in exchange for dark money and social media assistance.

You clearly get it and not preaching to the choir, it's more about those in the gray zone who are amorphous. But then I guess the argument against appealing to that voter is that what got us Biden versus a more progressive nominee. I don't know the answers or I'd be in D.C. along with yous guys with all the answers. 

What isn't the answer is mealy-mouthed incrementalism crap and losing visible and risible political battles. 

[troph 24787]

the republicans are on a mission from god, built it from the local precinct up, ends justify the means, morality isn't really ethical and the democrats are in the "they won't do that" camp and that justice will prevail without real action and no local bench to draw from and on and on and on, and in part from a lack of cohesion or the organizational advantage republicans have with sunday morning gatherings.  it's bad, it's been bad, it will get worse, it's just a massive massive advantage that they have built because they have virgins and jewels waiting for them in heaven for their good deeds.

meanwhile liberals assumed the court would always be there, but ever since Marbury vs. Madison it's the Court with the ace card. you can't assume legislation will prevail. you must have the air superiority of the Court protecting rights as you advance justice forward.  well, hit pause on that advance for 30 years unless the Dems pack the court.  that is the only way unless you want to wait 30 years.

systemic and institutional advantage, it's really a checkmate situation on all fronts from the bottom up and now they have the top.

Edited June 28, 2022 by troph

[F250 28770]

3 minutes ago, troph said:

the republicans are on a mission from god, built it from the local precinct up, ends justify the means, morality isn't really ethical and the democrats are in the "they won't do that" camp and that justice will prevail without real action and no local bench to draw from and on and on and on, and in part from a lack of cohesion or the organizational advantage republicans have with sunday morning gatherings.  it's bad, it's been bad, it will get worse, it's just a massive massive advantage that they have built because they have virgins and jewels waiting for them in heaven for their good deeds. systemic and institutional advantage, it's really a checkmate situation.

The Republicans have been organizing at the local level forever. I first noticed the difference in local political participation in the late 90's. It seems like the Democratic party prefers to wait until national elections then do a Get Out the Vote campaign while Republicans have been locking up School Board and Dog Catcher elections 24/7.

 

[troph 24787]

Just now, F250 said:

The Republicans have been organizing at the local level forever. I first noticed the difference in local political participation in the late 90's. It seems like the Democratic party prefers to wait until national elections then do a Get Out the Vote campaign while Republicans have been locking up School Board and Dog Catcher elections 24/7.

 

yep and until the democratic apparatus understands this, the wins will always be temporary. republicans just put the nail in the coffin for a 30 year permanent victory with a rapist and a handful of other liars and hypocrites.

[softlynow 1814]

10 minutes ago, Vegas64 said:

You clearly get it and not preaching to the choir, it's more about those in the gray zone who are amorphous. But then I guess the argument against appealing to that voter is that what got us Biden versus a more progressive nominee. I don't know the answers or I'd be in D.C. along with yous guys with all the answers. 

What isn't the answer is mealy-mouthed incrementalism crap and losing visible and risible political battles. 

On the one hand, the electorate isn't progressive enough for the aggressive pols we need. On the other, the centrist Dems who can win are suffering PTSD from decades of getting shellacked anytime they enact any policy, even if that policy is coopted from the fucking Heritage Foundation.

In the end we get the representation we deserve, and a majority of the people in a majority of the surface area of this country (and remember, that is what matters according to our demi-god founding fathers) do not like progressives. The why doesn't matter. They just don't.

If we are to return from the precipice it will be because the dumbasses that remained "independent" after Trump was elected see the light. Unfortunately that means nominating more Biden's, which means more orderly retreat.

On top of the ideological/rural problem, add in this nonsense:

Yes, it's unseemly to fundraise off of bodily autonomy. Sure, the Dems are inept as fuck. But guess what, your house is on fire, and you're yelling at the firefighters for trampling your azaleas while they struggle with antiquated equipment procured by a government that thinks only God should put out fires. $15? Your rights are under attack by folks with a $15 billion war chest, and they're counting on you asking for Dems to be ideologically pure, to accept and abide by the niceties of a long-dead style of politics and they're going to make banning abortion look liberal by comparison to their future acts of hatred.

Time and again Dems say, THIS group of young people will vote. THIS generation gets it. Fuck no they don't. They're as naive and stupid as every generation before. They will get distracted and not vote, or get enchanted by the next Nader/Jill Stein or vote Trump/Desantis because Dems only agree with them 92% of the time and "you've got to send them a message."

Dems will lose Congress in '22, and have, at best, a 30% shot at losing the WH in '24.

 

Right now the constitution is holding this country back. But, I guess if rural America changes its mind about blacks, gays, guns, unions, abortion, misogyny, immigration, climate change, and democracy itself, we can move forward without structural change to our form of government. Might as well ask aggy to fuck only bipeds and ou to not suck.

[StassneyHorn 6575]

2 hours ago, Vegas64 said:

Okay. I hope so.

But if not, then what? Weren't you the one who was saying shut up about gas prices and just drive less or move closer to your job, as if that was possible for everyone?

Oh just shut the fuck up. My entire premise was if 30 dollars a week is too much too handle for someone, they need to change their habits. I’m not gonna take out a whiteboard and show you elementary math, because you don’t need to see it, nor does my response need to be the “Dem response.” I never said move downtown. I never said drive less if you can’t. It’s easier for you to misrepresent and cast every adult with a job in this country as being powerless against their circumstances than to take an iota of ownership in improving your lot in life.
 

I simply said control the things you can by planning ahead, not driving like an asshole and bring a lunch a few times a week which is just too fucking difficult for you to understand. 30 dollars will sort itself out.
 

The article is garbage.

 

Edited June 28, 2022 by StassneyHorn

[troph 24787]

2 hours ago, softlynow said:

On the one hand, the electorate isn't progressive enough for the aggressive pols we need. On the other, the centrist Dems who can win are suffering PTSD from decades of getting shellacked anytime they enact any policy, even if that policy is coopted from the fucking Heritage Foundation.

In the end we get the representation we deserve, and a majority of the people in a majority of the surface area of this country (and remember, that is what matters according to our demi-god founding fathers) do not like progressives. The why doesn't matter. They just don't.

If we are to return from the precipice it will be because the dumbasses that remained "independent" after Trump was elected see the light. Unfortunately that means nominating more Biden's, which means more orderly retreat.

On top of the ideological/rural problem, add in this nonsense:

Yes, it's unseemly to fundraise off of bodily autonomy. Sure, the Dems are inept as fuck. But guess what, your house is on fire, and you're yelling at the firefighters for trampling your azaleas while they struggle with antiquated equipment procured by a government that thinks only God should put out fires. $15? Your rights are under attack by folks with a $15 billion war chest, and they're counting on you asking for Dems to be ideologically pure, to accept and abide by the niceties of a long-dead style of politics and they're going to make banning abortion look liberal by comparison to their future acts of hatred.

Time and again Dems say, THIS group of young people will vote. THIS generation gets it. Fuck no they don't. They're as naive and stupid as every generation before. They will get distracted and not vote, or get enchanted by the next Nader/Jill Stein or vote Trump/Desantis because Dems only agree with them 92% of the time and "you've got to send them a message."

Dems will lose Congress in '22, and have, at best, a 30% shot at losing the WH in '24.

 

Right now the constitution is holding this country back. But, I guess if rural America changes its mind about blacks, gays, guns, unions, abortion, misogyny, immigration, climate change, and democracy itself, we can move forward without structural change to our form of government. Might as well ask aggy to fuck only bipeds and ou to not suck.

It’s ironic that the side that claims exclusivity of morality is ends justifies the means to an extreme and the moral relativists’ opponents who couldn’t argue moral high ground even though they clearly have it fail on ideological purity for their means. And then they wonder why they get their asses charred and roasted. And when I say they I mean we maverick. FML.

Edited June 29, 2022 by troph

[softlynow 1814]

2 minutes ago, troph said:

It’s ironic that the side that claims exclusivity of morality is ends justifies the means to an extreme and their opponents who couldn’t argue moral high ground even though they clearly have it fail on ideological purity for their means. And then they wonder why they get their asses charred and roasted. And when I say they I mean we maverick. FML.

I think the most infuriating thing is all the votes cast under the delusion of self-interest. The culture wars have enabled the economic subjugation of most of this country.

Doubly frustrating is the no-nothings who quote/cite Hayek’s Road to Serfdom when convenient to their worldview, that is the sections severely critical of socialism, but forget those sections which acknowledge a role for government, such as the need for a safety net, the inability of the market to effectively deal with negative externalities in areas like ecological conservation and that there areas of the economy where prohibitions and regulation is necessary.

GOP base voters are wrapped in many layers of delusion and ignorance. Most seem to inherit it. 
Which brings me to a final thought: I keep seeing posts about women seeking tubal ligations and pledging to refuse sex because of Hobbs. This is sort of a reverse Prima Nocta, letting the cons breed us into a permanent irrelevancy. I get the impulse, but fear the disaster that leads to if those become widespread cultural phenomena. 

[troph 24787]

Your not wrong but man this planet will be a beautiful place when we are extinct, I mean it’ll take a while but the Earth will shed most of our destruction and rebound in ways we certainly don’t deserve and I think about that and actually smile. 

[Dnaguy 11948]

3 hours ago, softlynow said:

 

 

 

Seriously WTF?

I'm hopping mad.

That breaking news banner is blocking a sweet shot of dem titties.

Fuck this shit.

Edited June 29, 2022 by Dnaguy

[Vegas64 673]

8 minutes ago, troph said:

Your not wrong but man this planet will be a beautiful place when we are extinct, I mean it’ll take a while but the Earth will shed most of our destruction and rebound in ways we certainly don’t deserve and I think about that and actually smile. 

I don't think you took his point. It's like in Idiocracy when the people who should be breeding don't but the Cletus's of the world continue to. The world will still be populated and growing but with the wrong stock of humankind.

[troph 24787]

8 minutes ago, Vegas64 said:

I don't think you took his point. It's like in Idiocracy when the people who should be breeding don't but the Cletus's of the world continue to. The world will still be populated and growing but with the wrong stock of humankind.

No I understood but in the end it won’t matter who breeds. The Earth will win, the question is whether humans get permission to stay. 

[softlynow 1814]

4 minutes ago, troph said:

No I understood but in the end it won’t matter who breeds. The Earth will win, the question is whether humans get permission to stay. 

If we’re succeeded by another civilization-building life form, hopefully they possess actual intelligence.

[David Dennison 18856]

 

[Bama Chick 28596]

Okay. I hope so.
But if not, then what? Weren't you the one who was saying shut up about gas prices and just drive less or move closer to your job, as if that was possible for everyone?

Just an FYI about that voter registration “study” from earlier this week.

Like I said - the original article was horseshit.

[Biff Tannen 45678]

1 hour ago, Bama Chick said:

Just an FYI about that voter registration “study” from earlier this week.

 

 

 

Like I said - the original article was horseshit.

 

 

@Vegas64

[Vegas64 673]

That's fantastic news actually. If anyone feels sheepish it should be the fake news people sending out sham data and fear-mongering in historically accurate and non-partisan mediums (it was an AP article).

[Fastbreak 3985]

It doesn’t matter if news is wrong or lies or told. This is what the dems don’t get. They are up against a machine who can say and do whatever they want with no consequence.

Until fire is fought with nukes, it is a losing effort.

[Fudge Nuggets 19190]

On 6/28/2022 at 5:43 PM, StassneyHorn said:

Oh just shut the fuck up. My entire premise was if 30 dollars a week is too much too handle for someone, they need to change their habits. I’m not gonna take out a whiteboard and show you elementary math, because you don’t need to see it, nor does my response need to be the “Dem response.” I never said move downtown. I never said drive less if you can’t. It’s easier for you to misrepresent and cast every adult with a job in this country as being powerless against their circumstances than to take an iota of ownership in improving your lot in life.
 

I simply said control the things you can by planning ahead, not driving like an asshole and bring a lunch a few times a week which is just too fucking difficult for you to understand. 30 dollars will sort itself out.
 

The article is garbage.

 

Average rent in any TX city anyone actually wants to live in:  ~$1,200

Average food bill in any TX city anyone actually wants to live in:  ~$1,000

Average electric bill TX (family of 4):  $150

Average gas bill (family of 4):  $50

Average water bill:  $50

Average internet bill:  $60

Average cell phone bill:  $150

Average car payment in TX:  $500

Average fuel cost TX:  $230

Average property tax TX per month:  $400

Total:  $3,790

Average monthly income TX:  $2,700

 

Fuck your $30.

Edited July 2, 2022 by Fudge Nuggets

[Fudge Nuggets 19190]

On 6/28/2022 at 9:09 PM, Dnaguy said:

 

Seriously WTF?

I'm hopping mad.

That breaking news banner is blocking a sweet shot of dem titties.

Fuck this shit.

They look kinda saggy for someone her age.

[Dnaguy 11948]

8 hours ago, Fudge Nuggets said:

They look kinda saggy for someone her age.

We’ll never know for certain…..

 

[StassneyHorn 6575]

16 hours ago, Fudge Nuggets said:

Average rent in any TX city anyone actually wants to live in:  ~$1,200

Average food bill in any TX city anyone actually wants to live in:  ~$1,000

Average electric bill TX (family of 4):  $150

Average gas bill (family of 4):  $50

Average water bill:  $50

Average internet bill:  $60

Average cell phone bill:  $150

Average car payment in TX:  $500

Average fuel cost TX:  $230

Average property tax TX per month:  $400

Total:  $3,790

Average monthly income TX:  $2,700

 

Fuck your $30.

This list is laughable, and I’ve already explained the $30 number enough times for anyone with a reading comprehension above a 6th grade level.

Nobody that rents pays property taxes on top of the monthly charge, it’s a baked in cost for your rent. Anybody who rents doesn’t pay those “average” utility prices either, it’s much less.

“Average” food bill is absolutely high and the most easily controlled.

You list family of four in some spaces and then give average income for just one person at the bottom, as if everyone is a single parent with 3 kids that makes $90 day (2700/month). Median household income in Texas is 61k/year.

 

Edited July 2, 2022 by StassneyHorn

[Fudge Nuggets 19190]

Ok dipshit, average mortgage payment in Texas is $1,600.  That doesn't do your argument any good either.

[Gengs1 2583]

Really hate the stupid excuse the dems use we we had more votes etc, it’s just shows their shitty mindset of winning. It’s like a team complaining of having out gained the other team in yards and losing by 3 points. You play to score more points not more yards 

[StassneyHorn 6575]

7 hours ago, Fudge Nuggets said:

Ok dipshit, average mortgage payment in Texas is $1,600.  That doesn't do your argument any good either.

Settle yourself on whatever inconsistent averages you want to use before making your emotional rant. And then when you’ve settled on the averages, throw it all away cause median gives you a better picture.

[Dutchrudder 11138]

1 hour ago, Gengs1 said:

Really hate the stupid excuse the dems use we we had more votes etc, it’s just shows their shitty mindset of winning. It’s like a team complaining of having out gained the other team in yards and losing by 3 points. You play to score more points not more yards 

It's also not really an accurate assessment of the votes, since many people in lopsided states don't feel inclined to vote, since they "don't count."  

[Goredho 17399]

On 6/28/2022 at 9:11 PM, Vegas64 said:

I don't think you took his point. It's like in Idiocracy when the people who should be breeding don't but the Cletus's of the world continue to. The world will still be populated and growing but with the wrong stock of humankind.

It’s kind of like Idiocracy, but more a Bucceesocracy.

[pyrohornIII 4814]

On 6/26/2022 at 12:32 AM, F250 said:

The Democratic leadership is a bunch of old rich white people with no skin in the game. Nothing that happens really impacts them or their families. They exist simply for the control of power. They are a major part of the problem in America. The opposition cannot be lead by comfortable fat cats without something to lose.

 

The Texas Democratic Party has been led for 10 years by Gilbert Hinojosa.  He's not white.  Not sure of his wealth, but he's not a pauper.  Otherwise you have it right.  Time for a change in our state party leadership.   

[Vegas64 673]

2 hours ago, StassneyHorn said:

Settle yourself on whatever inconsistent averages you want to use before making your emotional rant. And then when you’ve settled on the averages, throw it all away cause median gives you a better picture.

Regardless, you’ll never be right when your argument is essentially “come on guys, have a stiff upper lip and keep calm and ration down by packing a lunch and not driving as much and out your thermostat on 73 instead of 72, and let’s not complain about the larger, broken fundamentals. It’s not good decorum and you need to fall back in line like a good soldier.”

Maybe that’s a good argument for this site where yous people are all pretty wealthy and older, which I think is a point you’ve made, but I was speaking more broadly about the rest of us who struggle to make ends meet (yes even in Texas- not somewhere posh like nyc or cali) and your advice comes off as insulting.

[StassneyHorn 6575]

None of my posts on elementary ways to save money should be taken as solutions to foundational issues. I’ve been very specific about the situations to apply them towards.

[Biff Tannen 45678]

I don't even know what the argument is anymore.

[StassneyHorn 6575]

There wasn’t one. FudgeNuggets randomly lashed out and Vegas64 is still sore about his voter registration article being worthless.

[TheStoicPaisano 9922]

Chitown stand up!

Edited July 30, 2022 by TheStoicPaisano

[washparkhorn 9939]

The centrist Dems’ Playbook is stale and wheezy.  But I hear it pays well  

1. start out hoping for resistance, regardless of popular support for an idea
2. compromise before making the ask
3. encounter the same resistance one would have encountered with a big ask
4. give away everything
5. shake hands with Republicans and blame progressives 
6. pat yourselves on the back for your talent in negotiating, your decorum, reasonableness and adherence to the precious norms
7. promise your constituents you will do better next time
8. never get another chance

Rinse and repeat.