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I don’t know who is leading this party, but Schumer needs to go.

Chanting “we will win” to cameras along side a near 90 year old Maxine Waters is the Dems problem. That does absolutely nothing and its infuriating.

 

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51 minutes ago, Pancho said:

I don’t know who is leading this party, but Schumer needs to go.

Chanting “we will win” to cameras along side a near 90 year old Maxine Waters is the Dems problem. That does absolutely nothing and its infuriating.

 

I understand they lack political power right now but absolutely agree with you.

They should be at the steps at not one but every federal agency getting cameras and smartphones focused on them, shouting about the security of Americans personal data and the unchecked actions of a man no one voted for. Fuck it, they should get out on TikTok and start accusing Elon of stealing people's tax refunds and having sex with his little college goons because it can't be proven wrong and will spread like wildfire.

They should constantly be referring to Elon as President Musk to antagonize the child in office and drive a wedge between them. They should be flooding the White House every day with requests to schedule a meeting with President Musk.

They should be going out all over the country and highlighting the sick kids and seniors who can no longer afford medication because of Trump's rollback of Medicare/Medicaid drug pricing caps. They should be highlighting important infrastructure projects, health initiatives, etc. that are now derailed due to federal reviews. Companies that stand to be devastated by tarrifs. They should be drawing attention to the shocking draining of a reservoir in CA that is going to turbofuck agriculture in the summer. All the things that touch people's lives.

And they should be suing the everloving shit out of the Trump administration. I know this doesn't really matter because they're clearly not going to listen to the courts but it's important to fight on that front. Make them go through discovery and depositions and get everything on the record. Make GOP judges support this.

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1 hour ago, Pancho said:

I don’t know who is leading this party, but Schumer needs to go.

Chanting “we will win” to cameras along side a near 90 year old Maxine Waters is the Dems problem. That does absolutely nothing and its infuriating.

 

"[W]e desperately need our Lech Walesa to step forward and we need that to happen quickly. We do not have the time or luxury for the old politics."

From a non-Surly UT Alum.

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On 2/5/2025 at 10:41 PM, StassneyHorn said:

Embrace white men. Embrace white men who are successful. Embrace white men who are successful and vote consistently.

I think we should have a full open primary and let the voters decide. They have chosen white men in the past. 

The anointing of the nominee is a bad idea. Both Bill Clinton and Obama won the nomination as underdogs.

Right now I am more concerned that we have elections like in the good old days, but I hope that turns out to just be paranoia.

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You're right, the Democratic party should never be criticized even when they fail spectacularly, even when they have learned nothing from that failure, and even when they're showing no signs of life.

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57 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

 

 

25 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

It's telling that with everything going on, your hottest anger is still reserved for the Democratic Party. 

This is more for @chainsaw, but as an avid consumer of center left media I can tell you the Dems are running all kinds of ideas out there but nothing is getting traction besides Biden fucked us.  
 

Maybe they are better off as a lifestyle/culture brand with political leanings.  That’s basically what MAGA is.  
 

I do think it’s interesting that a lot of Dem office holders are going to great pains to say “look at how heterodox my views are!”

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1 minute ago, LCHorn said:

but nothing is getting traction

If the Dems aren't running the exact playbook the GOP ran against Obama, they are worthless.

What's that playbook?  Stall every fucking thing, use every lever of power imaginable. Less talk and more action. Remember how Tommy Tuberville interfered with Biden's military appointments? If they're not doing that, they should have already resigned yesterday as far as I'm concerned.

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3 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

Remember how Tommy Tuberville interfered with Biden's military appointments?

They can’t do that shit, they are institutionalists.  Don’t you want them to stand for something besides externalizing your frustration?

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If they're unwilling to meet the moment, they should be replaced. These excuses completely undermine everything they tried to say at the DNC about how they're the opposite of Trump. Opposition parties are not supposed to play patty cake with the fucking fascists. Give them zero cooperation.

And by the way, the institutions are dead.

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Now's the time to push the party and they needed a huge fucking push until basically this week (and many of them still do). There's good reason for a lot of Dem voters to be pissed at the apparent apathy from Dem leadership and many other Dem officials.  But there's an additional problem that even when they're getting better the mainstream media basically has a blackout on covering anything they're saying and doing at the moment. A Democratic tea party is needed though and might provide the added benefit of forcing the media to lift their blackout. 

David Sirota can eat a bag of dicks, though. Fuck that guy.

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4 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

Now's the time to push the party and they needed a huge fucking push until basically this week (and many of them still do). There's good reason for a lot of Dem voters to be pissed at the apparent apathy from Dem leadership and many other Dem officials.  But there's an additional problem that even when they're getting better the mainstream media basically has a blackout on covering anything they're saying and doing at the moment. A Democratic tea party is needed though and might provide the added benefit of forcing the media to lift their blackout. 

David Sirota can eat a bag of dicks, though. Fuck that guy.

He's weird and I hate him too (even more than I hate Stephen A Smith) but he's not wrong in his assessment of the party as a lifestyle brand.

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1 minute ago, chainsaw said:

Give them zero cooperation.

I think the Dems are a little paralyzed but also following the apocryphal Napoleon quote "when your enemy is making a false move, don't interrupt him."  You'll see them get more coverage once there's more discontent amongst the middle and middle-right. 

5 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

A Democratic tea party is needed though and might provide the added benefit of forcing the media to lift their blackout.

You've already got the Bernie Sanders folks and they are the fun police. 

I like your idea that it needs to come from the bottom up, though.  The DNC and elites in the party are totally ignored by the huge swath of young people who don't consume legacy media. 

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It's only a false move if you think they're playing chess with you.

Project 2025 is a playbook for authoritarianism, which is taking us somewhere from which no amount of viral clapbacks and voter outreach can return us.

The enemy is not making a mistake because they no longer will be accountable to the voters.

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22 minutes ago, LCHorn said:

I think the Dems are a little paralyzed but also following the apocryphal Napoleon quote "when your enemy is making a false move, don't interrupt him." 

Sure, Dems can keep telling themselves this is what they're doing. And they'll keep losing. 

This shit is professional wrestling and any officials at this point who don't get that need to be replaced.

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1 hour ago, chainsaw said:

You're right, the Democratic party should never be criticized even when they fail spectacularly, even when they have learned nothing from that failure, and even when they're showing no signs of life.

I didn't say that at all. What I said is that in all the threads on this board, and with everything going on, you consistently bring your furor here and blame the democrats. The democrats didn't rot America's brains, the democrats didn't fund a 40 year war on education, they didn't invent social media and then cowtow to Oligarchs in the name of power. They basically behaved like normal politicians. They can be guilty of being feckless, obtuse, and worthless and still not crack my top 20 blame list of how we're in the sutaiton we curreently find ourselves. You, CLEARLY, disagree. 

THE DEMOCRATS DIDN'T DO ENOUGH TO SAVE US FROM OURSELVES bullshit rings beyond hollow to me. 

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42 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

you consistently bring your furor here and blame the democrats.

I'm pretty consistent about shitting on Trump and Elon, and calling a party that's been asleep at the wheel a lifestyle brand is far from my "hottest anger."

I will disagree on the kowtowing to oligarchs. Both parties are guilty of that.

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2 hours ago, LCHorn said:

I think the Dems are a little paralyzed but also following the apocryphal Napoleon quote "when your enemy is making a false move, don't interrupt him."  You'll see them get more coverage once there's more discontent amongst the middle and middle-right. 

This would be great advice if only Magats were suffering from these decisions. If Trump was walking around punching himself in the balls, I would happily sit back and say, "Keep punching yourself in the balls". But this is not the time to sit back and let TFG make mistakes because we are all sufffering!

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Most of the Dems are compromised as well. Musk has their DMs. There are also plenty of Epstein like operations going on by the KGB/Mossad etc. They just don’t target MAGA.

The ones that aren’t assets are the ones they go the hardest at, like AOC.

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1 hour ago, Firemans4Horn said:

Let’s try junior high pep rally tactics

 

 

"Next we'll all change our Facebook profile pics to the Ukrainian flag. That will REALLY show Trump!" 

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Carville is of the opinion that Dems should just play dead.  Which seems to be their status quo for most of my life anyway.

They should just let Trump suck all of the life out of his voters . Nothing Dems are gonna say now will register with Republicans so don't interrupt your enemy when he's making a mistake.  

I'm not sure if I agree but he's doing a good enough job of going from one disaster to another. Just let him keep spiralling.  

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1 hour ago, Post Oak said:

Carville is of the opinion that Dems should just play dead.  Which seems to be their status quo for most of my life anyway.

They should just let Trump suck all of the life out of his voters . Nothing Dems are gonna say now will register with Republicans so don't interrupt your enemy when he's making a mistake.  

I'm not sure if I agree but he's doing a good enough job of going from one disaster to another. Just let him keep spiralling.  

Democrats should stop listening to anything James Carville has to say in 2025.

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The thing about playing dead is you don’t give Trump things to attack. You get out of his way and let him destroy things without having the reality TV insults and bickering that he thrives on. 

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56 minutes ago, troph said:

The thing about playing dead is you don’t give Trump things to attack. You get out of his way and let him destroy things without having the reality TV insults and bickering that he thrives on. 

I don't know what the right way to move forward is. I do know sometimes it's best to give someone enough rope so they can hang themselves.

I guess I feel like we've broken some seals that I knew as human beings we were capable of, but I hoped as Americans if we were going to do it, it would be after my lifetime. 

When someone has aspirations of being an authoritarian, which Trump absolutely does and the Republican Party by extension now believes the same way as an institution, regardless if individuals in that party - including me - do not believe that way, then playing dead just gets you dead. People are reactionary. We mirror the behavior of one another. We lose something if the opposition reacts in a way that diminishes the accomplishment of victory because we just end up with a replica of what was trying to be defeated.

But better that in my opinion than resigning ourselves to giving up our ability to have peaceful transitions of power. To me that's what at stake here. Pretending like it isn't - which is what many members of the Democratic Party seem to be saying by their words and actions - simply cedes the field of battle to Trump and his cronies.

It's like Chamberlain and Hitler to me. You pretend like things aren't so bad, and people who crave dominion will continue to seek as much dominion as they can gather. 

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18 minutes ago, SL Xpress said:

I don't know what the right way to move forward is. I do know sometimes it's best to give someone enough rope so they can hang themselves.

I guess I feel like we've broken some seals that I knew as human beings we were capable of, but I hoped as Americans if we were going to do it, it would be after my lifetime. 

When someone has aspirations of being an authoritarian, which Trump absolutely does and the Republican Party by extension now believes the same way as an institution, regardless if individuals in that party - including me - do not believe that way, then playing dead just gets you dead. People are reactionary. We mirror the behavior of one another. We lose something if the opposition reacts in a way that diminishes the accomplishment of victory because we just end up with a replica of what was trying to be defeated.

But better that in my opinion than resigning ourselves to giving up our ability to have peaceful transitions of power. To me that's what at stake here. Pretending like it isn't - which is what many members of the Democratic Party seem to be saying by their words and actions - simply cedes the field of battle to Trump and his cronies.

It's like Chamberlain and Hitler to me. You pretend like things aren't so bad, and people who crave dominion will continue to seek as much dominion as they can gather. 

I’m not endorsing it at all. Either way though it cannot be a long term strategy. 

people talk about stealing elections for real this time and maybe that along with the take over of federal LE is the game, set, match for a coup without a shot fired, I still don’t see how he gets a third term, though martial law could be declared. Seeing the supremes go 5-4 against him today even if a technical small victory is still something. I think Roberts and Barrett are swayable.  I’m rambling but it’s a long way of saying let Trump tank the economy, inflict pain, let his numbers drop, see if the mid terms go the other way, and if we have one last shot to save this. If so, playing dead is simply meant to let Trump walk his own plank a bit. I get the doomsday scenario I truly do - believe me I do, but there is another outcome possible. 

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51 minutes ago, troph said:

I’m not endorsing it at all. Either way though it cannot be a long term strategy. 

people talk about stealing elections for real this time and maybe that along with the take over of federal LE is the game, set, match for a coup without a shot fired, I still don’t see how he gets a third term, though martial law could be declared. Seeing the supremes go 5-4 against him today even if a technical small victory is still something. I think Roberts and Barrett are swayable.  I’m rambling but it’s a long way of saying let Trump tank the economy, inflict pain, let his numbers drop, see if the mid terms go the other way, and if we have one last shot to save this. If so, playing dead is simply meant to let Trump walk his own plank a bit. I get the doomsday scenario I truly do - believe me I do, but there is another outcome possible. 

Haha. This is not rambling. 

I don't feel like he has the judiciary firmly in his grasp. Most of the Supreme Court are not toadies, even if a couple seem like they've been willingly purchased. The overall federal judiciary is absolutely not toadies. There are plenty he has appointed that understand loyalty was part of the appointment, but plenty of others who either don't see it that way, or were appointed by someone else. 

It will take some time to purge federal law enforcement agencies. These are lifetime bureaucrats. This isn't their first rodeo. The military isn't going to suddenly do his bidding to enforce some kind of coup just because he's seeking like minded people to staff the highest positions. It's going to take a while and a lot of dismissals. Then there's the fact Trump is 78 years old. He's going to die relatively soon. Before that, there's a good chance he simply loses his faculties. It happens. Trump has done a lot of damage and we've collectively allowed it. I include myself in that category because while I've never voted for him and never indicated my support for him as the president, it's not like I've led some kind of popular movement to create a viable alternative. At most I've given token amounts to organizations who recognize what a danger he is. 

Still, all is not lost. It just feels like it could be. And that's strange enough. It's crazy to me that there's still a lot of people in my personal circle who get excited about Trump even right now. It's like a spectator sport, their side is winning, and who cares about democracy getting trammeled if it means their side is winning. It's frightening to me. I always felt like democracy is way more fragile than we realize. I've always thought that as horrible as what happened in Nazi Germany, the real problem is that authoritarian regimes can come about anywhere, and then once they do it's simply easier to be compliant than it is to fight it. But it's one thing to have that as an intellectual thought for basically all of my life. It's completely different seeing it come to fruition in front of my very eyes. By people I know and love. 

I just remember when people were saying this is the most important election of our lifetime prior to November, and I kept saying, if you think this election is important, wait until you see the next one. 

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Christ, if Jeffries is taking his leadership cues from Pelosi, the Dems are fucked.

Telling them to “signal unity” for last night should get Jeffries fired.



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