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We've finally got a new State Chair.   Let me know what you folks think.   He's down in on the ground with us, not locked away in some blue bubble tower somewhere.  I'm proud to call him a good friend.

This was shot immediately after he won handily this past Saturday in Austin.  

Kendall Scudder interview

And here's another interview:

 

 

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He's saying the about 70% of the right things, but I need to see all the fucking losers purged to believe he means business. Fire every consultant who didn't meet expectations.

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7 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

He's saying the about 70% of the right things, but I need to see all the fucking losers purged to believe he means business. Fire every consultant who didn't meet expectations.

That's all of them. 

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On 4/1/2025 at 9:07 AM, TreatyOak said:

We lost cause Americans wanted change and running the semi-coherent sitting president, then doing a last-minute bait-and-switch with the current VP sent a message louder than any words or speech that there would not be change. 

Brett Stevens wrote this editorial in the NY Times. I agree with all of it.

"First, they should admit that their party mishandled Mr. Biden’s age. Leading Democrats insisted that he had mental acuity for a second term when most Americans believed otherwise. Party leaders even attempted to shout down anybody who raised concerns, before reversing course and pushing Mr. Biden out of the race. Already, many voters believe that Democrats refuse to admit uncomfortable truths on some subjects, including crime, illegal immigration, inflation and Covid lockdowns. Mr. Biden’s age became a glaring example. Acknowledging as much may be backward looking, but it would send an important signal.

Second, Democrats should recognize that the party moved too far left on social issues after Barack Obama left office in 2017. The old video clips of Ms. Harris that the Trump campaign gleefully replayed last year — on decriminalizing the border and government-funded gender-transition surgery for prisoners — highlighted the problem. Yes, she tried to abandon these stances before the election, but she never spoke forthrightly to voters and acknowledged she had changed her position.

Even today, the party remains too focused on personal identity and on Americans’ differences — by race, gender, sexuality and religion — rather than our shared values.

Third, the party has to offer new ideas. When Democrats emerged from the wilderness in the past, they often did so with fresh ideas. They updated the proud Democratic tradition of improving life for all Americans. Bill Clinton remade the party in the early 1990s and spoke of “putting people first.” In 2008, Mr. Obama, Mrs. Clinton and John Edwards offered exciting plans to improve health care, reduce inequality and slow climate change. These candidates provided intellectual leadership."

We need fresh leadership, lose the identity politics crap, and run people who can win.  

  

You're a moron. 

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Just now, wildcat09 said:

That's all of them. 

It very well could be. There also could have been a few unexpected flips and holds in downballot races we've never heard of, and I'd let them stay.

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17 hours ago, Sawbonz said:

say 2.5 M voters switched from D to R.   what kept 4.5 M at home? The post mortems I have seen say the national party apparatus was completely out of touch with what local leaders were telling them pretty much everywhere. That has to change. How? I don’t know 

You overthrow the national party apparatus with a grass roots movement that is more exciting and compelling to voters than the Republican's MAGA movement that overthrew its national party apparatus.  Until such a thing emerges from the ashes of the Clinton/Pelosi/Schumer Democratic Party, continuing to support their candidates is simply choosing to help stifle its rise.

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3 hours ago, pyrohornIII said:

We've finally got a new State Chair.   Let me know what you folks think.   He's down in on the ground with us, not locked away in some blue bubble tower somewhere.  I'm proud to call him a good friend.

This was shot immediately after he won handily this past Saturday in Austin.  

Kendall Scudder interview

And here's another interview:

 

 

If he STARTS by metaphorically ruthlessly slitting throats until the ground is too slippery to walk on....then he puts on shoes with better grip to KEEP slitting throats, then we might have something.

Anyone within the Democratic party who isn't willing to play the game necessary to win?  Begone.  Anyone who has or retains any ties to the GQP?  His singular focus should be on destroying them.

When in an existential fight, maybe fucking act like it.

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5 hours ago, pyrohornIII said:

We've finally got a new State Chair.   Let me know what you folks think.   He's down in on the ground with us, not locked away in some blue bubble tower somewhere.  I'm proud to call him a good friend.

This was shot immediately after he won handily this past Saturday in Austin.  

Kendall Scudder interview

And here's another interview:

 

I would love to believe, but as Red once said, "Hope is a dangerous thing."  Unless they're going to drag Beto out there for run #13, it feels like it's time for some folks to get some name recognition in preparation for the 2026 elections.  Honestly, the only folks on the bench that I'd be excited about in statewide elections at this point are Jasmine Crockett, James Talarico and maybe Lizzie Fletcher.  Are there any up-and-coming folks in Texas politics, or is the bench as barren as it seems?

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8 minutes ago, Gap03 said:

I would love to believe, but as Red once said, "Hope is a dangerous thing."  Unless they're going to drag Beto out there for run #13, it feels like it's time for some folks to get some name recognition in preparation for the 2026 elections.  Honestly, the only folks on the bench that I'd be excited about in statewide elections at this point are Jasmine Crockett, James Talarico and maybe Lizzie Fletcher.  Are there any up-and-coming folks in Texas politics, or is the bench as barren as it seems?

Yeah, all of those names are worthless.  Women are a non-starter - automatic 5-6 point handicap in this retrograde state.  And Tallarico is kind, smart, and intellectual.  He's toast on a big stage in these times.

We need a candidate with a name like "Mad Dog McKenzie Fuck You."  

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Dems up and down every level of government should be doing town halls starting tomorrow night.
 

This tariff idea is a worse idea than a Jump to Conclusions mat and they need to explain it in Joe Rogan 3rd grade bro language so even a MAGA can understand. 

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8 hours ago, pyrohornIII said:

We've finally got a new State Chair.   Let me know what you folks think.   He's down in on the ground with us, not locked away in some blue bubble tower somewhere.  I'm proud to call him a good friend.

This was shot immediately after he won handily this past Saturday in Austin.  

Kendall Scudder interview

And here's another interview:

 

 

Better looking Democratic JD Vance has some good points.

But no one wants to be lumped into ‘working class people’. Everyone thinks of themselves as able to become rich if they only had a fair shake. So don’t shit on their dreams.

We need to be the party of ‘regular people’ and ‘regular Texans’. Regular people become extraordinary all the time in literature. Play to that. Play to people’s hopes and ego. Stop saying we’re the Democratic Party. We’re Texas Democrats. We stand for regular Texans who are a different breed.

Regular Texans who want strong schools not selfish ‘school choice’. Regular people don’t have a billion dollars to buy politicians. Regular people want mothers, sisters, and daughters to have healthcare. Regular people think that kids shouldn’t go hungry or without healthcare either

Church that shit up with Jesus and the like if you want. Stop with identity politics and appeal to the ‘regular folks’.

 

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3 minutes ago, Dnaguy said:

Better looking Democratic JD Vance has some good points.

But no one wants to be lumped into ‘working class people’. Everyone thinks of themselves as able to become rich if they only had a fair shake. So don’t shit on their dreams.

We need to be the party of ‘regular people’ and ‘regular Texans’. Regular people become extraordinary all the time in literature. Play to that. Play to people’s hopes and ego. Stop saying we’re the Democratic Party. We’re Texas Democrats. We stand for regular Texans who are a different breed.

Regular Texans who want strong schools not selfish ‘school choice’. Regular people don’t have a billion dollars to buy politicians. Regular people want mothers, sisters, and daughters to have healthcare. Regular people think that kids shouldn’t go hungry or without healthcare either

Church that shit up with Jesus and the like if you want. Stop with identity politics and appeal to the ‘regular folks’.

 

This is a pernicious myth designed by capital to exploit labor more efficiently. 

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3 hours ago, Gap03 said:

I would love to believe, but as Red once said, "Hope is a dangerous thing."  Unless they're going to drag Beto out there for run #13, it feels like it's time for some folks to get some name recognition in preparation for the 2026 elections.  Honestly, the only folks on the bench that I'd be excited about in statewide elections at this point are Jasmine Crockett, James Talarico and maybe Lizzie Fletcher.  Are there any up-and-coming folks in Texas politics, or is the bench as barren as it seems?

Gene Wu has some solid social media game.

I want to know more about the guy running in TX-18 to replace Turner.

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2 hours ago, David Dennison said:

This is a pernicious myth designed by capital to exploit labor more efficiently. 

You think so? I've always heard the Fitzgerald quote and thought it was so true.

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5 minutes ago, Vegas64 said:

You think so? I've always heard the Fitzgerald quote and thought it was so true.

"Let me tell you about the very rich. They are different from you and me. They possess and enjoy early, and it does something to them, makes them soft where we are hard, and cynical where we are trustful, in a way that, unless you were born rich, it is very difficult to understand. They think, deep in their hearts, that they are better than we are because we had to discover the compensations and refuges of life for ourselves. Even when they enter deep into our world or sink below us, they still think that they are better than we
are. They are different."

Francis Scott Key Fitzgerald.

Or, as paraphrased by Hemingway:

The rich were dull and they drank too much, or they played too much backgammon. They were dull and they were
repetitious. He remembered poor Julian and his romantic awe of them and how he had
started a story once that began, "The very rich are different from you and me." And how
some one had said to Julian, Yes, they have more money. But that was not humorous to
Julian. He thought they were a special glamourous race and when he found they weren't it
wrecked him just as much as any other thing that wrecked him.

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2 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

"Let me tell you about the very rich. They are different from you and me. They possess and enjoy early, and it does something to them, makes them soft where we are hard, and cynical where we are trustful, in a way that, unless you were born rich, it is very difficult to understand. They think, deep in their hearts, that they are better than we are because we had to discover the compensations and refuges of life for ourselves. Even when they enter deep into our world or sink below us, they still think that they are better than we
are. They are different."

Francis Scott Key Fitzgerald.

Or, as paraphrased by Hemingway:

The rich were dull and they drank too much, or they played too much backgammon. They were dull and they were
repetitious. He remembered poor Julian and his romantic awe of them and how he had
started a story once that began, "The very rich are different from you and me." And how
some one had said to Julian, Yes, they have more money. But that was not humorous to
Julian. He thought they were a special glamourous race and when he found they weren't it
wrecked him just as much as any other thing that wrecked him.

Crap, not Fitzgerald, but Steinbeck!

“John Steinbeck once said that socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires.”

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11 hours ago, Dnaguy said:

Stop with identity politics and appeal to the ‘regular folks’.

Lol

"Stop with identity politics and instead play identity politics."

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Just now, Huckleberry said:

Lol

"Stop with identity politics and instead play identity politics."

Perhaps he is trying to say words to the effect of:

Oligarchs can't win a class war, but they can win a race war   

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13 hours ago, Dnaguy said:

Stop with identity politics and appeal to the ‘regular folks’.

The fuck are you talking about? 

This is exactly what centrist dipshits advise and it's exactly what Dems have been doing, with little success. 

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11 hours ago, Vegas64 said:

Crap, not Fitzgerald, but Steinbeck!

“John Steinbeck once said that socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires.”

My bad. The myth is not that Americans believe they can become rich if they only had a fair shake. They do. The myth is that they will.

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1 hour ago, David Dennison said:

My bad. The myth is not that Americans believe they can become rich if they only had a fair shake. They do. The myth is that they will.

Spot on.

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1 hour ago, Gourmand said:

The fuck are you talking about? 

This is exactly what centrist dipshits advise and it's exactly what Dems have been doing, with little success. 

Really? 

Idk man. Pretty sure the last election was heavily focused to GOTV for white women, college educated, and elitist republicans offended by MAGA.

Regular folks were told that they needed to care about democracy and that the economy was amazing. Inflation was treated like the man behind the curtain who the great Oz told us not to pay attention to.

2020 was a race to the wokest until Clyborn (spelling?) decided that he wasn’t playing that and told everyone that Biden was the nominee.

2008,2012, and 2016 all leaned heavily on identity politics.

So when you say that democrats have been messaging towards ‘regular folks’ I just don’t see it. Its always with a qualifier.

Single moms, black families, college educated voters, working class, young women, etc.

The message needs to be broader. Because if everyone can see themselves in it, then you win.

I can’t actually tell you what Texas democrats believe in. 

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Just now, Dnaguy said:

Really? 

Idk man. Pretty sure the last election was heavily focused to GOTV for white women, college educated, and elitist republicans offended by MAGA.

Regular folks were told that they needed to care about democracy and that the economy was amazing. Inflation was treated like the man behind the curtain who the great Oz told us not to pay attention to.

2020 was a race to the wokest until Clyborn (spelling?) decided that he wasn’t playing that and told everyone that Biden was the nominee.

2008,2012, and 2016 all leaned heavily on identity politics.

So when you say that democrats have been messaging towards ‘regular folks’ I just don’t see it. Its always with a qualifier.

Single moms, black families, college educated voters, working class, young women, etc.

The message needs to be broader. Because if everyone can see themselves in it, then you win.

I can’t actually tell you what Texas democrats believe in. 

So, they need to message towards wypipo.

Got it.

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I appreciate all y'all's input and comments.    The Democratic tent covers a lot of divergent groups, and like you can see in the comments on this board, has a lot of different advise coming from a wide variety of factions.  Not the least of those are the 'high-roaders' vs the 'punch them in the face' groups.    We definitely have our work cut out for us but I do like the "regular people" concept.  Somewhere along the line the Dems got complacent and took for granted the working class and started trying to appease the smaller special interest sectors.   I'm not so sure it's as much a case of people switching sides, but that a whole lot of folks started feeling unrepresented, and just quit voting.  That's what Trump exploited.  

 

We need to remind people what we had 40-50 years ago, the good progress this country was making, and convince them to come back and vote to begin the process of getting this out of the hands of the oligarchs and back to being a machine for the people.  It's a hard task, and maybe even impossible, but I'm going to keep trying.   And coming here and getting your input is valuable to keep me from isolating myself in a blue silo.  All surly tongue in cheek self degradation aside, there's a pretty decent source of input here from a group of critical thinkers.   

But it all comes back to oligarch vs common battle.  Wash, rinse and repeat.  

 

 

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1 hour ago, David Dennison said:

So, they need to message towards wypipo.

Got it.


All people that are regular. As in people aren’t billionaires, pay a mortgage or rent, have kids in school, etc.

Talk to people about what they are experiencing….  Not who they are.

Maybe I’m not being clear in my message but that’s what I feel is a better strategy.  But maybe that’s part of being white? Thinking that you can decouple identity from experiences…. I recognize this could be a blind spot. 🤷🏼‍♂️

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6 minutes ago, Dnaguy said:


All people that are regular. As in people aren’t billionaires, pay a mortgage or rent, have kids in school, etc.

Talk to people about what they are experiencing….  Not who they are.

Maybe I’m not being clear in my message but that’s what I feel is a better strategy.  But maybe that’s part of being white? Thinking that you can decouple identity from experiences…. I recognize this could be a blind spot. 🤷🏼‍♂️

I hear you, but I have no doubt that Republicans would waste little time reminding people that class consciousness is a Marxist concept.

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12 minutes ago, Dnaguy said:


All people that are regular. As in people aren’t billionaires, pay a mortgage or rent, have kids in school, etc.

Talk to people about what they are experiencing….  Not who they are.

Maybe I’m not being clear in my message but that’s what I feel is a better strategy.  But maybe that’s part of being white? Thinking that you can decouple identity from experiences…. I recognize this could be a blind spot. 🤷🏼‍♂️

They literally always do this. "We're not going to let him distract us, we're going to focus on kitchen table issues that ordinary families care about" was said so fucking often by Democratic candidates over the last 10 years that I want to burn every fucking kitchen table on the planet to ash. You're confusing what activists with names you've never heard and random people you see on twitter have been saying with what Democratic candidates for office have been saying. Knock it off.

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1 minute ago, wildcat09 said:

They literally always do this. "We're not going to let him distract us, we're going to focus on kitchen table issues that ordinary families care about" was said so fucking often by Democratic candidates over the last 10 years that I want to burn every fucking kitchen table on the planet to ash. You're confusing what activists with names you've never heard and random people you see on twitter have been saying with what Democratic candidates for office have been saying. Knock it off.

Maybe Democrats just need to talk to more people in diners.

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18 hours ago, Firemans4Horn said:

Chuck Schumer owns these tariff’s.

That's as much bullshit as "It's the Dems fault for nominating a woman so I had no choice other than vote for the sexual predator." 

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Yeah, I'm not really sold that trying to act normal is the way to go for the Democrats.  I'd like to see them test the water with bat shit crazy.  Put stuff out there like, "our new policy will be to eat the billionaires!"  When the Fox News talking heads clutch their pearls over this, just double down.  "We are not joking.  We will give every billionaire a choice to donate their wealth or be entered in the Eat My Ass lottery.  The winner will be humanely euthanized, cured, smoked and sold in travel size packs of jerky at Love's Travel Centers across the country."  "We are overjoyed to see Elon plumping up, go to Democrats.org to vote for your favorite billionaire flavors to rub on his ass.  We have teriyaki, cajun, honey bourbon and many others!"

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5 minutes ago, fuggled said:

Yeah, I'm not really sold that trying to act normal is the way to go for the Democrats.  I'd like to see them test the water with bat shit crazy.  Put stuff out there like, "our new policy will be to eat the billionaires!"  When the Fox News talking heads clutch their pearls over this, just double down.  "We are not joking.  We will give every billionaire a choice to donate their wealth or be entered in the Eat My Ass lottery.  The winner will be humanely euthanized, cured, smoked and sold in travel size packs of jerky at Love's Travel Centers across the country."  "We are overjoyed to see Elon plumping up, go to Democrats.org to vote for your favorite billionaire flavors to rub on his ass.  We have teriyaki, cajun, honey bourbon and many others!"

Sign me up for carrying out the euthanizing part.  Mistakes might be made but so the oligarchs suffering is a price they might have to pay.

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9 minutes ago, fuggled said:

Yeah, I'm not really sold that trying to act normal is the way to go for the Democrats.  I'd like to see them test the water with bat shit crazy.  Put stuff out there like, "our new policy will be to eat the billionaires!"  When the Fox News talking heads clutch their pearls over this, just double down.  "We are not joking.  We will give every billionaire a choice to donate their wealth or be entered in the Eat My Ass lottery.  The winner will be humanely euthanized, cured, smoked and sold in travel size packs of jerky at Love's Travel Centers across the country."  "We are overjoyed to see Elon plumping up, go to Democrats.org to vote for your favorite billionaire flavors to rub on his ass.  We have teriyaki, cajun, honey bourbon and many others!"

Humanely euthanized? Naw, fuck that.

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52 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

They literally always do this. "We're not going to let him distract us, we're going to focus on kitchen table issues that ordinary families care about" was said so fucking often by Democratic candidates over the last 10 years that I want to burn every fucking kitchen table on the planet to ash. You're confusing what activists with names you've never heard and random people you see on twitter have been saying with what Democratic candidates for office have been saying. Knock it off.

THIS.

What rock has dnaguy been living under to think Dems haven't been doing their darndest in literally every election (especially in Tx) to appeal to centrists and intentionally alienating the left in order to do it?

Jfc, terrible analysis dnaguy.

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20 minutes ago, fuggled said:

Yeah, I'm not really sold that trying to act normal is the way to go for the Democrats.  I'd like to see them test the water with bat shit crazy.  Put stuff out there like, "our new policy will be to eat the billionaires!"  When the Fox News talking heads clutch their pearls over this, just double down.  "We are not joking.  We will give every billionaire a choice to donate their wealth or be entered in the Eat My Ass lottery.  The winner will be humanely euthanized, cured, smoked and sold in travel size packs of jerky at Love's Travel Centers across the country."  "We are overjoyed to see Elon plumping up, go to Democrats.org to vote for your favorite billionaire flavors to rub on his ass.  We have teriyaki, cajun, honey bourbon and many others!"

 

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9 minutes ago, Surly Bevo said:

Democrats should run the touchdown play. 

They've been running the unblocked Greg Davis WR screen that has worked two times out of two thousand (and when it worked it only worked because DBs ran into each other and fell down) since 1992. Meanwhile, every election some Republicans go "oh if only they'd run that unblocked Greg Davis WR screen more often they'd start winning." And, somehow, millions of dipshits believe the Republicans are being honest and are not just trying to convince Democrats to keep running the same shitty fucking play that they've easily stopped 1,998 out of 2,000 times. 

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Just now, wildcat09 said:

They've been running the unblocked Greg Davis WR screen that has worked two times out of two thousand (and when it worked it only worked because DBs ran into each other and fell down) since 1992. Meanwhile, every election some Republicans go "oh if only they'd run that unblocked Greg Davis WR screen more often they'd start winning." And, somehow, millions of dipshits believe the Republicans are being honest and are not just trying to convince Democrats to keep running the same shitty fucking play that they've easily stopped 1,998 out of 2,000 times. 

Dude.....too soon....in EVERY possible way/context.

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39 minutes ago, fuggled said:

Yeah, I'm not really sold that trying to act normal is the way to go for the Democrats.  I'd like to see them test the water with bat shit crazy

I'm not real fond of performative stuff but the Dems have to quit playing to the traditional media for approval, and alt media and social media will rewards anything that grabs attention. 

 

34 minutes ago, Gourmand said:

What rock has dnaguy been living under to think Dems haven't been doing their darndest in literally every election (especially in Tx) to appeal to centrists and intentionally alienating the left in order to do it?

You think they'll do better appealing to the left?

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1 minute ago, LCHorn said:

You think they'll do better appealing to the left?

I think they need to appeal to the people by calling for policies that better their lives. Those may just happen to be left wing ones.

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7 minutes ago, LCHorn said:

You think they'll do better appealing to the left?

They absolutely would. Not sure if you've noticed but populism wins right now. And liberal positions are popular on an individual basis. Democrats would 100% have more success if they tacked hard left. 

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2 minutes ago, Huckleberry said:

They absolutely would. Not sure if you've noticed but populism wins right now. And liberal positions are popular on an individual basis. Democrats would 100% have more success if they tacked hard left. 

Especially right now, when the party in charge appears to be operating on a plan solely consisting of "Lets see how much pain we can inflict on everyone". 

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On 4/1/2025 at 10:13 AM, LCHorn said:

So your solution is to tack left?

Two days ago. Followed by pages of responses explaining why that's a dumb question, to which you follow up just repeating the same question.

What's going on man? Are you like the guy from Memento?

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43 minutes ago, Valmy77 said:

I think they need to appeal to the people by calling for policies that better their lives. Those may just happen to be left wing ones.

There are actually states in this country that have enacted many of those policies, have robust economic sectors from tech to ag to manufacturing to services, have some of the top performing economies in the nation, and whose voters continue time after time to elect members of the party that bring them that. Some even vote in these policies via the public. While none of them are perfect by any means, I don't know, maybe go to those places and find out how and why that's working?

Or, ya know, I suppose we could just go back and talk to voters in some diner in Fail State about failure.

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7 minutes ago, Valmy77 said:

I think they need to appeal to the people by calling for policies that better their lives. Those may just happen to be left wing ones.

 

Just now, Huckleberry said:

They absolutely would. Not sure if you've noticed but populism wins right now. And liberal positions are popular on an individual basis. Democrats would 100% have more success if they tacked hard left. 

I'm looking at Colin Allred's platform (link here) and it's all pretty standard stuff that most voters would identify as leftist. 

I would agree that there's pretty fertile soil for economic populism, particularly five months after the election. 

 

27 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

Two days ago. Followed by pages of responses explaining why that's a dumb question, to which you follow up just repeating the same question.

 

It's because I'm skeptical and I want to see a more developed response (which you gave a couple of days ago, but I also want to know what other people are thinking).  At least locally, I don't believe in a big D silent majority just waiting for their hearts to be stirred by Beto, Lina Hidalgo in 10 years or the or someone channeling the ghost of Ann Richards.  I just don't think there's enough of us, despite the more progressive members of Surly trying to shout down anyone espousing that the middle should be targeted. 

If that's correct, then it means the party has to change.  People like @Bozo_Casanova think it's largely self-inflicted, and maybe he's right, but if the remedy is "Texans really are more amenable to classical leftist programs than their own votes are telling us" then I'd like to know which programs.  Texans are voting for abortion restrictions, transgender health restrictions, school vouchers for religious schools, etc., maybe not directly but in their choice of representation.  Maybe you might counter that it's not the policy, it's the politician, but I'm skeptical about that, too, when their standard bearers are Patrick, Abbot, crazy eyes and Ted Cruz.  Is there a single person in that group you'd want to have a beer with?

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