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Al Gore looking Tanned, Rested, and Ready to get back in the saddle:
 

Funny but too old. He’d be a great surrogate out on the trail though. He gives kind of an elder statesman version of Mayor Pete vibe in that clip.
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1 hour ago, Chad Fuck said:


Funny but too old. He’d be a great surrogate out on the trail though. He gives kind of an elder statesman version of Mayor Pete vibe in that clip.

He does look much better at 77 than Biden or Donald did at the very least. Think you are right about being too old still but as far as old and possibly more electable choices he's there...

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Ways Democrats can win back the independents and win in 2028:

  • Find the next Bill Clinton. A Southern, conservative Democratic statesman who isn't afraid of distancing himself from the fringe, identity-politic morons* who keep setting us up to fail by handing easy talking points to the Republicans. 
  • Find the next Ann Richards. An outspoken, Southern** conservative, gun-totin' woman who Americans can love with a big social heart and an even bigger semi-automatic rifle.  
  • Make Hispanic Americans the priority. Hispanics are feeling taken for granted and have been migrating to the Republicans. Hispanics represent approx. 25% of the populace. Hola! 
  • Be better at embracing new media. Republicans ran circles around Democrats in 2024 in understanding how new media feels more trustworthy to Americans today than traditional platforms. 

It's not that hard and the margin wasn't that great. Biden/Harris ran a shit-show of a campaign and lost the independents, but they should be hoppin' mad by 2027 and ready to be won over. 

*You can fight for dramatic social change in the United States or you can win an election. You can't do both. 

** Candidate could also be from Pennsylvania, or Ohio, which is kinda like the South. Not Utah. That place is weird.  

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21 hours ago, wildcat09 said:

He has done so as some congressional Democrats, including Senator Chuck Schumer of New York, the minority leader, have urged their party to be selective with their attacks against the president to avoid alienating independent voters who supported him.

WTF??????  I’m an independent. By definition, independents don’t have allegiance to one party because they see flaws in both parties. So, they vote for candidates in both parties.

It is incredibly stupid to not be criticizing every fucking thing Trump is doing right now because he’s doing every single thing poorly. The message for every single issue should be “yes we have challenge x in this country (budget, the war, immigration, jobs, etc), but the President has shown a complete ineptness in putting together and executing a coherent plan for x, as demonstrated by…..”

Democrats should be saying this every day a thousand times a day for the next two years for every fucking issue because the royal fuckups by Trump the Moron are golden opportunities to realign Congress at the mid-terms. This is historic ineptness. Jump on it. Dammit this pisses me off. I can’t believe Democrats are cowering in the corner during this shit show. 

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So the strategy is to support Donald Trump so his supporters will decide to vote Democrat? Surely the plan should be to convince his supporters to not be his supporters anymore by ruthlessly attacking him.

How did people so incompetent and horrible at politics have any success in political careers?

Frankly the fact Chuck has not been removed from his position is a devastating indictment on the incompetence and complacency of the Democratic Party.

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19 minutes ago, TreatyOak said:
  • Find the next Bill Clinton. A Southern, conservative Democratic statesman who isn't afraid of distancing himself from the fringe, identity-politic morons* who keep setting us up to fail by handing easy talking points to the Republicans. 

These people exist. We have Andy Beshear, we have Roy Cooper and on and on.

But here is the deal: you can't just find those people and anoint them. They have to step up and take the leadership. So far people like that seem content to just stay in their fiefdoms.

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2 minutes ago, Valmy77 said:

These people exist. We have Andy Beshear, we have Roy Cooper and on and on.

But here is the deal: you can't just find those people and anoint them. They have to step up and take the leadership. So far people like that seem content to just stay in their fiefdoms.

Because there are only two political veins in this country: bullies, and cowards.  The GQP has taken full ownership of the "bully" contingent.  And not to be outdone, the Dems have gone all-in on "coward."

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3 hours ago, Evil Bill Obrien said:

Al Gore looking Tanned, Rested, and Ready to get back in the saddle:

 

Well, he has been in a lockbox 

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43 minutes ago, TreatyOak said:

Ways Democrats can win back the independents and win in 2028:

  • Find the next Bill Clinton. A Southern, conservative Democratic statesman who isn't afraid of distancing himself from the fringe, identity-politic morons* who keep setting us up to fail by handing easy talking points to the Republicans. 
  • Find the next Ann Richards. An outspoken, Southern** conservative, gun-totin' woman who Americans can love with a big social heart and an even bigger semi-automatic rifle.  
  • Make Hispanic Americans the priority. Hispanics are feeling taken for granted and have been migrating to the Republicans. Hispanics represent approx. 25% of the populace. Hola! 
  • Be better at embracing new media. Republicans ran circles around Democrats in 2024 in understanding how new media feels more trustworthy to Americans today than traditional platforms. 

It's not that hard and the margin wasn't that great. Biden/Harris ran a shit-show of a campaign and lost the independents, but they should be hoppin' mad by 2027 and ready to be won over. 

*You can fight for dramatic social change in the United States or you can win an election. You can't do both. 

** Candidate could also be from Pennsylvania, or Ohio, which is kinda like the South. Not Utah. That place is weird.  

Hah, I was about to engage with your dumbassery by linking to the last time I pointed out that this is fucking stupid, when I realized that the last time I did was in response to you:

You guys think the marginal voter is who you imagine yourselves to be, when the marginal voter is actually these kids: 

 

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Wish we had elected Gore and gotten that lockbox for Social Security. Plus I bet the budget would have stayed balanced.

Instead we elected deficits, wars, and deregulation leading to world wide economic disaster.

And somehow the Republicans were only punished for it all for only a few years before rushing back to unleash more catastrophe in 2010.

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53 minutes ago, TreatyOak said:

Ways Democrats can win back the independents and win in 2028:

  • Find the next Bill Clinton. A Southern, conservative Democratic statesman who isn't afraid of distancing himself from the fringe, identity-politic morons* who keep setting us up to fail by handing easy talking points to the Republicans. 
  • Find the next Ann Richards. An outspoken, Southern** conservative, gun-totin' woman who Americans can love with a big social heart and an even bigger semi-automatic rifle.  
  • Make Hispanic Americans the priority. Hispanics are feeling taken for granted and have been migrating to the Republicans. Hispanics represent approx. 25% of the populace. Hola! 
  • Be better at embracing new media. Republicans ran circles around Democrats in 2024 in understanding how new media feels more trustworthy to Americans today than traditional platforms. 

It's not that hard and the margin wasn't that great. Biden/Harris ran a shit-show of a campaign and lost the independents, but they should be hoppin' mad by 2027 and ready to be won over. 

*You can fight for dramatic social change in the United States or you can win an election. You can't do both. 

** Candidate could also be from Pennsylvania, or Ohio, which is kinda like the South. Not Utah. That place is weird.  

This is a very stupid post. I'm starting to realize that people should complain less about your AI image posts because when you try to think it's invariably a disaster. 

Who are the identity politics morons in the Democratic Party you're referring to? They don't exist in any quantity that matters but your mushy brain thinks they do because Republicans say so. The GOP is the party of identity politics.

Your entire post that you think is fresh new thinking is exactly what Democrats have been doing to lose for decades. 

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1 minute ago, Huckleberry said:

This is a very stupid post. I'm starting to realize that people should complain less about your AI image posts because when you try to think it's invariably a disaster. 

Who are the identity politics morons in the Democratic Party you're referring to? They don't exist in any quantity that matters but your mushy brain thinks they do because Republicans say so. The GOP is the party of identity politics.

Your entire post that you think is fresh new thinking is exactly what Democrats have been doing to lose for decades. 

And, like clockwork, the usual suspects post again, and offer no solutions. Identity politics prohibited us from having the very best candidate in 2024.

Also, despite what @wildcat09 would suggest, there is a large group of centrist voters who can be swayed either way. They were key in the 2016, 2020 and 2024 elections. They will be key in 2028. 

Like I said, it's not that hard. 

 

 

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6 minutes ago, TreatyOak said:

And, like clockwork, the usual suspects post again, and offer no solutions. Identity politics prohibited us from having the very best candidate in 2024.

Also, despite what @wildcat09 would suggest, there is a large group of centrist voters who can be swayed either way. They were key in the 2016, 2020 and 2024 elections. They will be key in 2028. 

Like I said, it's not that hard. 

 

 

Ok, how about you stop speaking abstractly in complaints about "identity politics" and specify what you mean. What "identity politics" issues did Harris foreground in her campaign? Or is the problem as you see it that her identity was the political problem?

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I was watching one of the docs that are out on the Oklahoma City bombing, and they mentioned all the 3 letter government agencies with offices in the Murrah building.  The ATF, FBI, SSA, HUD, DEA, and more.  It struck me how much more effective Trump is at damaging/destroying/changing the "deep state" and the Federal government than Timothy McVeigh was.  And then I realized, the Republican Party, as it stands today, is not the party of Lincoln.  It's not the party of Reagan.  It's the party of Timothy McVeigh.  No one is being directly murdered in a dramatic fashion on TV with the bombing of a building, but there certainly are/will be human casualties (and likely a greater number) that result from the dismantling of things like USAID, NOAA and so on.

Then it struck me how the 30th anniversary of the event just slid on by without anyone drawing those parallels let alone leading an audience to them.  And this is just one opportunity of many.  For all the opposition "leaders" willing to accept your donations pledging to "fight for democracy", none of them are willing to really put their ass on the line and take any risks for democracy.  So that leads me to three possible conclusions.  Either A) it's not that bad and democracy is not at stake, B) the Democratic Party is mostly full of cowards and/or accomplices in some ratio or C) that the Democratic Party in its current form is simply unequipped to be anything other than an ineffectual token opposition in this new political landscape.

I think C is most likely correct, but whichever it is, Democrats have lost me.  I'll keep my energy and resources in reserve until there's something more meaningful to get behind.

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44 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

Ok, how about you stop speaking abstractly in complaints about "identity politics" and specify what you mean. What "identity politics" issues did Harris foreground in her campaign? Or is the problem as you see it that her identity was the political problem?

She had her role due to identity politics and served as a fairly unmemorable VP. Thanks to Biden's political suicide attempt to run in 2020, we ended up with Harris representing more of the same, when the voters were asking for change. Due to Biden's bungling, a proper vetting at a convention for the best candidate wasn't possible. Like I said, it was shit show, perhaps the worst run campaign in my lengthy lifetime. 

Obama was the right person at the right time. She was not.  

  

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Just now, Goredho said:

I think C is most likely correct, but whichever it is, Democrats have lost me.  I'll keep my energy and resources in reserve until there's something more meaningful to get behind.

Good post overall, but bolded for emphasis.  Not a penny from me and my family for their milquetoast bullshit.

I won't donate a penny for fucking mailers and spineless tut-tutting.

I'll donate $1,000 tomorrow for metaphorical bullets and bombs.  The day the Dems actually want my money to use to FIGHT for the Republic, they'll get some.  Still waiting on that day, and suspecting I'll be able to keep my bank account completely intact for a long, long time.



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