the trump election lawsuit thread of dominance

[mdmost 43046]

Jimmy Johnson trading him to the Vikings really fucked with Herschel's head. 

[Kyrie Eleison 9312]

"Sydney Powell is not representing the President in any capacity.  The President's lawyer is the dignified gentlemen who had cigarette juice leaking down the side of his face and did a press conference next to a pallet of mulch."

you forgot to mention the dildo sale next door...

[Kyrie Eleison 9312]

Totally would, but I’d use Briskettexan’s name, and I’d give her GOLL’s cell number

you’re welcome to use my cack if you want...

[ruitxn 298]

2 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

Yeah, the legislature can't choose the electors, and can't overrule the popular vote.  My guess is he threw this out there so that Trump didn't send a nasty tweet his way, much like Loefloer and Perdue were told to attack the Georgia SOS.

Yes , this and the fact he didn’t want to get a bill for the Dom Perignon.

Edited November 23, 2020 by ruitxn

[JimmyJames 12271]

Herschel walker is a dipshit? Didn’t know that one. 

[Patrick Bateman 3930]

2 hours ago, Ted Lange said:

Never forget. 
 

 

Oh, he's trying...... look, it's unimportant what she says or does..... it just doesn't matter.

 

[aggie08 21531]

20 minutes ago, Beau Vine said:

 

For the love of god, Herschel, STOP. She's already dead!

[South Austin 52600]

Trey Trainor seems like a little bitch.

[Pato del Muerto 52596]

5 minutes ago, Patrick Bateman said:

Oh, he's trying...... look, it's unimportant what she says or does..... it just doesn't matter.

 

Several?  Not hundreds?  Yeah America really needs those dozen vote discrepancies adjudicated before we can know who won by tens or hundreds of thousands of votes in each state. 

[Rimbo 26094]

"greatest president since Lincoln?"

wat

[atomheartbevo 89792]

1 hour ago, TwiceHorn said:

And they spend thousands on bows, guns, ATVs, bigass trucks and various other equipment they can ill afford.

51 minutes ago, Cousin Strawberry said:

Yeah, the hunting portion of the board is chock full of posts from adults with kids who are talking about "saving up for a new Polaris."  It's crazy.

We really need to be grifting the fuck out of these people.

 

[A-Tex Devil 2462]

1 hour ago, Cousin Strawberry said:

Why are they so stupid?  They seem very set on the belief that since Trump isn't paying her she technically can't be his lawyer.  These are college educated adults right?

When I read it, it seems like a bunch of people trolling Trump supporters by pretending to be Trump supporters, and each person thinks they are the only troll.  But these folks really believe this shit.  

[aggie08 21531]

3 minutes ago, Rimbo said:

"greatest president since Lincoln?"

wat

Let's be honest: that's just a pretty transparent attempt to counter Trump's (and the poster's own) racism. "See, Lincoln's my favorite President!"

[atomheartbevo 89792]

So are we taking bets, that if Newsmax didn't call her nuts on the air, she would still be associated with Team Trump?

And are we taking bets that one of Trump's aides made a call to the Newsmax guy, asking him to call Powell nuts?

Edited November 23, 2020 by atomheartbevo

[TwiceHorn 31535]

17 minutes ago, Patrick Bateman said:

Oh, he's trying...... look, it's unimportant what she says or does..... it just doesn't matter.

 

What affidavits?

[Neonmoon 38130]

More likely, when she accused Kemp of rigging the GA election, sowing doubt in GA elections and hurting senate runoff’s, Mitch’s asshole puckered up and made the call to axe her. He has more power than Trump and everyone knows it. 

[Sawbonz 27587]

18 minutes ago, Rimbo said:

"greatest president since Lincoln?"

wat

You know most of those folks would’ve taken Andrew Jackson over Lincoln any day

[Tom 2959]

1 hour ago, Bullneck said:

And then a 30 minute video featuring Chanel Rion (who 1) I was wondering what happened to her, and 2) would bang):

 

 

 

 

Good God, they're still clinging to the lie that 130,000+ votes were cast for Biden in the middle of the night without a single vote for Trump.

And the sharpie thing is so dumb.  How are you going to give sharpies to only Trump voters?  How the hell do you know who somebody is going to vote for just by them walking through the door?  It's not like people are allowed to wear their MAGA hats into voting locations.

GOP/Trump supporters really don't think their conspiracies all the way through.

[lemonlime 5503]

1 hour ago, TwiceHorn said:

Well, what that would do is send it back to the trial court and they'd have to do the whole motion to dismiss and preliminary injunction rigmarole over again.  And the standing questions might be a little different this go-round.

How can they even do this though?  You can't amend a dismissed complaint.  I think they're trying to appeal the dismissal, but that's not what they're asking for.  Unless I'm missing something, and I may well be given the convoluted nonsense they're putting out there, they aren't asking for something they can possibly get, even if their allegations weren't batshit. 

 

[Cousin Strawberry 1263]

6 minutes ago, lemonlime said:

How can they even do this though?  You can't amend a dismissed complaint.  I think they're trying to appeal the dismissal, but that's not what they're asking for.  Unless I'm missing something, and I may ell be given the convoluted nonsense they're putting out there, they aren't asking for something they can possibly get, even if their allegations weren't batshit. 

 

Dude, go to the TexAg thread,  They think you should make your weakest claims at the trial court, get denied and then you get to raise totally different, more important claims at the SC. They are retards.

[lemonlime 5503]

3 minutes ago, Cousin Strawberry said:

Dude, go to the TexAg thread,  They think you should make your weakest claims at the trial court, get denied and then you get to raise totally different, more important claims at the SC. They are retards.

I don't have anything close to enough bourbon in the house to spend time on the TexAg thread.

[hpslugga 4062]

30 minutes ago, Tom said:

 

 

Good God, they're still clinging to the lie that 130,000+ votes were cast for Biden in the middle of the night without a single vote for Trump.

And the sharpie thing is so dumb.  How are you going to give sharpies to only Trump voters?  How the hell do you know who somebody is going to vote for just by them walking through the door?  It's not like people are allowed to wear their MAGA hats into voting locations.

GOP/Trump supporters really don't think their conspiracies all the way through.

The last 6 words were superfluous 

[HenryJames 66170]

 

[Hookah Horns 3083]

9 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

On the defamation issue, probably worth noting that there is a "litigation privilege" against defamation claims based on statements made in court.  That includes both oral statements in arguments or testimony, as well as written statements in court documents, such as pleadings or motion papers.

It even can even extend to comments made about a litigation outside the courtroom, where the comments are mostly confined to what has been "said" in court.

So Powell can make all kinds of wild-ass statements in a pleading or motion or argument to the court without fear of defamation liability (sanction from the court for making non-factual arguments/statements are another matter).  She can even talk to the press about wild-ass statements made in court.

But, given as much "space" as there has been between her wild-ass statements and any court filing, she is bound to have lost any litigation privilege for anything she has said to date.

However, businesses, such as Dominion Voting Systems, may or may not have a claim for business disparagement, which is slightly different but in some meaningful ways, from personal defamation.  It would in Texas, but it's domiciled in Canada and Colorado.

Dominion does business across the country. It's not limited to the protections provided by law in Canada and Colorado. Dominion's officers probably have a case for personal defamation, as well. 

[TwiceHorn 31535]

39 minutes ago, lemonlime said:

How can they even do this though?  You can't amend a dismissed complaint.  I think they're trying to appeal the dismissal, but that's not what they're asking for.  Unless I'm missing something, and I may well be given the convoluted nonsense they're putting out there, they aren't asking for something they can possibly get, even if their allegations weren't batshit. 

 

Well, a 12(b)(6) dismissal, or the first one, is usually without prejudice and/or may provide an opportunity to amend before the dismissal becomes effective.  Same difference, just no filing fee.

So, they would be appealing the denial of leave to amend in connection with the dismissal with prejudice.

[Left Coast 863]

2 hours ago, Bullneck said:

And then a 30 minute video featuring Chanel Rion (who 1) I was wondering what happened to her, and 2) would bang):

 

 

I’m pretty sure Chanel Rion lost to Sasha Velour in Season 9 of RuPaul’s Drag Race.

[Rimbo 26094]

1 hour ago, Beau Vine said:

 

1 hour ago, Gil Bang said:

BonsaiGreen

5:29p

 

 

Look, Trump's our greatest president since Lincoln, but his legal team is starting to look like a clown show. What I'm watching is depressing as hell.

The libs are on CNN and MSNBC cracking jokes at our expense.
TexAgs socks are coming out to play.
And OP smells a lot like Manny.

I wish the mods would ban these trolls until they had something meaningful to say.

 

1 hour ago, Beau Vine said:

 

These are not clever people.

[Bullneck 19206]

 

 

[TwiceHorn 31535]

10 minutes ago, Hookah Horns said:

Dominion does business across the country. It's not limited to the protections provided by law in Canada and Colorado. Dominion's officers probably have a case for personal defamation, as well. 

That only affects personal jurisdiction and venue.  Choice of law and whose business disparagement law applies is/could be a clusterfuck and have a huge impact on the case.  Situs of the act, locus of the injury, all that shit.

I haven't looked at it in years, but business disparagement doesn't exist in a lot of states.

Probably right about the individuals running Dominion, and Kemp and Georgia SOS.  Accusation of a crime is defamation per se in most places.

Edited November 23, 2020 by TwiceHorn

[Hookah Horns 3083]

1 hour ago, Gil Bang said:

 

If the court for some reason grants this, Brann will just deny leave again on any of the other grounds for doing so, namely futility. 

[lemonlime 5503]

3 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Well, a 12(b)(6) dismissal, or the first one, is usually without prejudice and/or may provide an opportunity to amend before the dismissal becomes effective.  Same difference, just no filing fee.

So, they would be appealing the denial of leave to amend in connection with the dismissal with prejudice.

I'm still not getting it.  This was a with prejudice dismissal.  The dismissal would have to either be reversed or converted to a without prejudice dismissal before an amended complaint could be filed.  But I don't see where they're asking for that relief.

[Rimbo 26094]

2 minutes ago, lemonlime said:

I'm still not getting it.  This was a with prejudice dismissal.  The dismissal would have to either be reversed or converted to a without prejudice dismissal before an amended complaint could be filed.  But I don't see where they're asking for that relief.

These are not clever people.

[Pescado_Rojo 19428]

8 minutes ago, Bullneck said:

 

 

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[washparkhorn 9939]

32 minutes ago, HenryJames said:

 

I would hope those grievances spark attorneys representing the President to carefully consider their ethical duties as an attorneys. There are rules. Tricky area and the consequences are large.

Legal system (other than Trump's contribution to its work) is holding up well in this weak attempt to use the legal system for political power ("soft coup attempt?"). 

[Rimbo 26094]

I mean, this entire charade reminds me of the time I watched Dude, Where's My Car? with a couple of friends in grad school.

See, we'd made a drinking game out of the movie. (This was our first time watching it.) Any time you caught someone else, or found yourself, trying to make sense of the movie, you had to take a drink.

It made perfect sense, too; if you were trying to make sense of the movie, then you clearly weren't drunk enough, had too many brain cells firing.

Watching this whole thing... if you find yourself trying to understand why they are doing something or how they think their strategy might have any beneficial effect whatsoever or... you know, anything along those lines...

Take a drink. You haven't drunk yourself down to their level enough.

[Hookah Horns 3083]

6 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

That only affects personal jurisdiction and venue.  Choice of law and whose business disparagement law applies is/could be a clusterfuck and have a huge impact on the case.

I haven't looked at it in years, but business disparagement doesn't exist in a lot of states.

Probably right about the individuals running Dominion, and Kemp and Georgia SOS.  Accusation of a crime is defamation per se in most places.

I don't remember all that much about the complexities of choice of law in torts either, but Powell made the most recent comments in DC, which does have commercial disparagement. In short, I'm pretty confident Dominion wouldn't have to worry about choice of law foreclosing a suit against Powell. 

[atomheartbevo 89792]

45 minutes ago, Cousin Strawberry said:

Dude, go to the TexAg thread,  They think you should make your weakest claims at the trial court, get denied and then you get to raise totally different, more important claims at the SC. They are retards.

If this were football, they would save their best plays and best players for the 'Bama game.   In all other games, they'd roll out their shittiest game plans and players, and they'd have lost pretty much every game up to the 'Bama game.  Because they had saved their best plays and players for 'Bama, they believed they would somehow defeat 'Bama.

[TwiceHorn 31535]

10 minutes ago, lemonlime said:

I'm still not getting it.  This was a with prejudice dismissal.  The dismissal would have to either be reversed or converted to a without prejudice dismissal before an amended complaint could be filed.  But I don't see where they're asking for that relief.

I'd have to look at the order/judgment, again, but it was kind of unusual that there was already a motion to amend pending when the 12(b)(6) was decided.

The dismissal order dealt with the first amended complaint and also denied the motion to amend (for leave to amend) to file a second amended complaint, as a separate issue.

Regardless of its terms, to completely dismiss the case, the court's orders had to deal with both the motion to amend and the motion to dismiss.

[washparkhorn 9939]

2 minutes ago, Rimbo said:

I mean, this entire charade reminds me of the time I watched Dude, Where's My Car? with a couple of friends in grad school.

See, we'd made a drinking game out of the movie. (This was our first time watching it.) Any time you caught someone else, or found yourself, trying to make sense of the movie, you had to take a drink.

It made perfect sense, too; if you were trying to make sense of the movie, then you clearly weren't drunk enough, had too many brain cells firing.

Watching this whole thing... if you find yourself trying to understand why they are doing something or how they think their strategy might have any beneficial effect whatsoever or... you know, anything along those lines...

Take a drink. You haven't drunk yourself down to their level enough.

Some on the left believe this is one big amped-up distraction that keeps the government gridlocked when the People need the most help from DC. 

Everyone has a prism - some more elementary than others.  

[Sawbonz 27587]

16 minutes ago, Rimbo said:

These are not clever people.

 

[Eastwood 4394]

I don't remember all that much about the complexities of choice of law in torts either, but Powell made the most recent comments in DC, which does have commercial disparagement. In short, I'm pretty confident Dominion wouldn't have to worry about choice of law foreclosing a suit against Powell. 

Honestly, Dominion would be best just laying low. Last thing Dominion or the country needs is for a defamation suit to enter discovery and have internal emails disparaging President Trump pop up. All it would do is add fuel to the fire. Honestly, if I were them, I'd let all of this play out and wait for the first state after inauguration to drop them, possibly citing concerns parroted by Powell, then bring the suit. At least then any anti-Trump emails churned up will be moot and Dominion could prove actual damages in the loss of a state contract.

[TwiceHorn 31535]

1 minute ago, Eastwood said:

13 minutes ago, Hookah Horns said:

I don't remember all that much about the complexities of choice of law in torts either, but Powell made the most recent comments in DC, which does have commercial disparagement. In short, I'm pretty confident Dominion wouldn't have to worry about choice of law foreclosing a suit against Powell. 

Honestly, Dominion would be best just laying low. Last thing Dominion or the country needs is for a defamation suit to enter discovery and have internal emails disparaging President Trump pop up. All it would do is add fuel to the fire. Honestly, if I were them, I'd let all of this play out and wait for the first state after inauguration to drop them, possibly citing concerns parroted by Powell, then bring the suit. At least then any anti-Trump emails churned up will be moot and Dominion could prove actual damages in the loss of a state contract.

Probably a good point on the Streisand effect.  Defamation claims tend to have short statutes of limitation, though.  One year in Texas.  Business disparagement may have the more usual two-year, being a commercial type tort.

[Eastwood 4394]

Probably a good point on the Streisand effect.  Defamation claims tend to have short statutes of limitation, though.  One year in Texas.  Business disparagement may have the more usual two-year, being a commercial type tort.

Obviously out of the loop on the SoL on defamation in Georgia, but if the fallout of all this is bad enough, Georgia could possibly toss Dominion within the year. If R state legislators quote Powell during the process, that's a greenlight for Dominion to bring suit against her, in my opinion. Then they could lay out, in detail, how their process absolutely does not allow a changing of entered votes after the fact while simultaneously compelling Powell to produce where she received her info from.

The juice might not be worth the squeeze, though, as I truly believe that Powell is going through some kind of mental distress or cognitive disorder. Some public figures may have embraced Q for the grift, but I think Powell has some undiagnosed issues going on.

[Brisketexan 105329]

As an attorney, here’s the thing that still scares me about Trump’s legal team: it’s not that they’re so good. It’s that they’re so bad.

I HATE going up against really bad, stupid lawyers. They’re impossible to work with, and impossible to predict. I have no idea what an insane, stupid person is going to do next, because I don’t speak that language.

I much prefer to face excellent legal counsel. They aren’t erratic. They might spring a surprise at times, but in a clever and (I say this without irony) predictable way.

The worst experiences I’ve had as an attorney are the cases where opposing counsel is a moron. I have to clean up so much idiocy. You have to respond to stupid pleadings just like you have to respond to good ones. And sometimes, you don’t even know how to respond. It’s hard to argue against nonsense. Which means that sometimes, nonsense slips through.

TLDR: it’s really hard to play chess against someone who thinks that taking a shit on the board is a legit move.

[Guest Lobo]

2 minutes ago, Eastwood said:

Obviously out of the loop on the SoL on defamation in Georgia, but if the fallout of all this is bad enough, Georgia could possibly toss Dominion within the year. If R state legislators quote Powell during the process, that's a greenlight for Dominion to bring suit against her, in my opinion. Then they could lay out, in detail, how their process absolutely does not allow a changing of entered votes after the fact while simultaneously compelling Powell to produce where she received her info from.

The juice might not be worth the squeeze, though, as I truly believe that Powell is going through some kind of mental distress or cognitive disorder. Some public figures may have embraced Q for the grift, but I think Powell has some undiagnosed issues going on.

I believe that the stigma of mental illness is finally being lifted away in this country and that’s a good thing.  But why do so many people with mental issues in Trump’s orbit have to work through their shit right now?   Not really a great time for America, mmkay?

[DDD Dad 14351]

TLDR: it’s really hard to play chess against someone who thinks that taking a shit on the board is a legit move.

[Francisco 2.0 32428]

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/22/us/politics/sidney-powell-trump.html?referringSource=articleShare

 

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President Trump’s campaign on Sunday disavowed Sidney Powell, one of his lawyers who has pushed false claims of voter fraud, after she made wild accusations that Republican officials had been involved in a payoff scheme to manipulate voting machines.

The repudiation of Ms. Powell, which came at the hands of former allies like Rudolph W. Giuliani, added unwanted drama for the president’s legal team at a moment when it is losing case after case, offering a public window into the chaotic nature and amateurish tactics of most of its attempts so far to fight the election outcome.

 

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Even as many campaign aides, White House advisers and professional lawyers want nothing to do with the claims, a small group of lawyers for Mr. Trump’s campaign has presided over a widely mocked, circuslike legal effort to try to invalidate votes and prevent states from certifying their results.

People like Ms. Powell and Mr. Giuliani have been frequent guests on conservative news programs, where they have made spurious claims that have been rejected by judges or that the Trump campaign has refrained from echoing in court because they lack evidence.

 

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Ms. Powell, who was not directly involved in cases the Trump campaign filed in court, appeared with its legal team at a news conference just last week, and had been embraced by the president and many of his allies because of her emphatic and unconditional defense of an array of baseless claims.

On Sunday, though, the Trump campaign reversed course.

“Sidney Powell is practicing law on her own,” it said in a statement. “She is not a member of the Trump legal team. She is also not a lawyer for the president in his personal capacity.”

 

Spoiler

In a statement issued to CBS News, Ms. Powell said that she understood the statement from Mr. Giuliani and Jenna Ellis, another Trump lawyer, and that she would still be filing a lawsuit related to her unsubstantiated allegations of voter fraud.

The disavowal came a day after a Pennsylvania judge eviscerated arguments that other members of Mr. Trump’s legal team had made in court that millions of votes in the state should be invalidated.

Ms. Powell was described as a member of the legal team’s “elite strike force” at the news conference on Thursday as she laid out an elaborate conspiracy theory about efforts by the former Venezuelan president Hugo Chávez, who died in 2013, to essentially rig elections in the United States by using voting machines made by Dominion Voting Systems. While Mr. Trump has become obsessed with the idea of a global conspiracy, cybersecurity officials from his own government have said there is no evidence that machines were compromised.

Appearing on the conservative network Newsmax on Saturday night, Ms. Powell further pushed the conspiracy theory, saying that two top Republicans in Georgia — Gov. Brian Kemp and Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger — were taking payoffs as part of the scheme, and that Representative Doug Collins of Georgia had in fact won his race for Senate against Senator Kelly Loeffler. (He did not; Ms. Loeffler’s race is heading to a runoff without Mr. Collins.) Ms. Powell said she planned to file a “biblical” suit in the state.

Two runoff elections in Georgia on Jan. 5 are set to determine which party controls the Senate, and Republicans have grown anxious that the Trump campaign’s legal efforts there could affect those races, which are likely to have lower turnout than this month’s general election.

Ms. Powell’s claims were widely derided, including by some Trump allies. Chris Christie, the Republican former governor of New Jersey, said on ABC’s “This Week” that the legal team had become a “national embarrassment.” Most of the president’s other lawyers have declined to become involved in his efforts to delay certifying the vote in states.

Mr. Trump has been agitated about Mr. Giuliani and Ms. Powell for a few days, advisers said, complaining about how Ms. Powell had sounded at the Thursday news conference, how black rivulets of liquid had dripped down Mr. Giuliani’s face, and about how long the appearance had stretched on.

On Saturday and Sunday, several of the president’s advisers urged Mr. Trump to part ways with Ms. Powell, people briefed on the discussions said. One of those people said that even Mr. Giuliani had recognized that she had gone too far.

But Ms. Powell also made an easy target for deflection by Mr. Giuliani and others, as Mr. Trump vented his frustrations about the Pennsylvania judge’s scathing ruling.

Other lawyers for Mr. Trump who have largely stayed out of the fray believe Mr. Giuliani and Ms. Powell have merely been telling the president what he wants to hear. The president latched onto Ms. Powell’s claims about votes being switched on Dominion machines in the last two weeks.

The thrust of Ms. Powell’s conspiracy theory — that a powerful and vast network of Mr. Trump’s enemies cheated him out of victory — has been largely constant, though the cast of perpetrators and accomplices has varied from setting to setting.

In an interview last week on Rush Limbaugh’s radio show, where she spoke with few interruptions for nearly 20 minutes, Ms. Powell claimed that the voting machines in question had been designed to rig elections.

The day before, on Fox Business, Ms. Powell said the conspiracy involved “dead people” who had voted “in massive numbers” — again offering no evidence — and claimed that fraudulent paper ballots were also part of the scheme.

In September, Ms. Powell acknowledged during a hearing in Federal District Court in Washington that she had taken the highly unusual step of briefing Mr. Trump on the case of one of her most prominent clients, Michael T. Flynn, Mr. Trump’s former national security adviser.

While representing Mr. Flynn, Ms. Powell often amplified social media posts promoting QAnon, the conspiracy theory whose proponents believe Mr. Trump is battling a cabal of satanic pedophiles.

The cold shoulder extended to Ms. Powell was only the latest embarrassment for Mr. Trump’s legal team, for which more than 30 lawsuits challenging the integrity of the election have either been dismissed or voluntarily withdrawn in a half-dozen battleground states. 

A major loss came in Pennsylvania on Saturday night, when the federal judge, Matthew W. Brann, threw out a lawsuit seeking to stop the certification of the state’s election results and criticized it in blistering language, likening its argument to “Frankenstein’s monster” and saying it was “unsupported by the evidence.”

 

[Beau Vine 54426]

[Pato del Muerto 52596]

3 minutes ago, Beau Vine said:

That was yesterday bro. They eventually got that appeal filed. 

[Mole 4333]

So here’s one bit out of many that I struggle with. Let’s say I think the Trump claim is true. It would be the most destructive scandal in American history. It would be destructive in a fundamentally different way. It would be terrible for everyone and hurt everyone. 
 

On the Texas Ags threads as well as the crazies in my own circle, they don’t just think it happened, they’re rooting for it to have happened. I don’t get rooting for such a terrible and destructive event, even if I believed it to be true. I’d rather to have simply just lost. 
 

The desire to be right is a terrible thing.