the trump election lawsuit thread of dominance

[BehoId, The Underminer! 11669]

Twice Horn is this board's John Roberts.  He's concerned with maintaining the patina of decorum over this footage of monkeys dancing in a tipped over portapotty. 

[Gil Bang 25944]

 

[Pato del Muerto 52489]

She’s trying to walk the line of plausible deniability, but I’d hope that in a court the lawyer submitting anything has a duty to inspect and investigate the correctness of what they submit, and that intentional or accidental both cross the line of due diligence. 

[BehoId, The Underminer! 11669]

if you were central command for biden's defense, you would have debilitating priapism.  you get to run your win percentage up to unbelievable numbers.  it's like someone just told mike trout his next season will be facing only little leaguers.

[TwiceHorn 31451]

17 minutes ago, BehoId, The Underminer! said:

Twice Horn is this board's John Roberts.  He's concerned with maintaining the patina of decorum over this footage of monkeys dancing in a tipped over portapotty. 

Really not.

I just happen to think that the two items of evidence were mishandled, not intentionally falsely represented.

A lawyer should do better.  That is, at the very minimum, wildly embarrassing.  But that whole thing is 104 pages of wildly embarrassing legal work.  I'd be hard-pressed to figure out which aspect is the most embarrassing.

Quibbling about something that may have been intentionally or accidentally represented as undated is mostly immaterial.  Particularly in the context of all that rubbish.  You don't need to rely on the falsity of those two exhibits to trash the credibility of the entire work.  That is the thing that is perhaps most irritating about the whole debate.

It's like "oooh ohh, teacher, I caught them in a lie (maybe)."  In the grand context of that heap of shit, that's nothing.

Here's what I expect would happen if someone were called on the carpet for that:

Lawyer:  your honor, we got those two exhibits off the internet to show that the GA SOS certified the Dominion equipment and when.   Somehow, portions of the documents, including the dates, got cut off.  When we cited the material in the complaint, we noticed there were no dates, and said so.  That's all there was to it.

Judge:  Don't you think you should have been more careful about citing complete documents to the Court?

Lawyer:  Yes your honor, we should have, we made a mistake.  We should have gone back and gotten the entire documents and then we would have seen the dates.  However, we didn't argue or attach much significance to the date or lack thereof anywhere in our argument, so we respectfully submit that it is of minimal materiality.

Edited December 1, 2020 by TwiceHorn

[wildcat09 29349]

8 minutes ago, BehoId, The Underminer! said:

Twice Horn is this board's John Roberts.  He's concerned with maintaining the patina of decorum over this footage of monkeys dancing in a tipped over portapotty. 

This is either libelous of TwiceHorn or you have too high an opinion of John Roberts.

[HenryJames 66042]

 

[qwertyu1234 496]

Wait, what is the one case Trump won?

[Neonmoon 38129]

Just now, HenryJames said:

 

[Brisketexan 105096]

2 minutes ago, HenryJames said:

 

Deepstate RINO!  Barr was once seen eating kung pao chicken - dudes, he is OWNED by the Chicoms!  "Dominion" and "William" both have two i's in them -- TWO EYES!  That means that Q is watching them, and he sees what is going on.  All will soon be revealed....TRUST THE PLAN!

[TwiceHorn 31451]

3 minutes ago, HenryJames said:

 

He should be shot, drawn and quartered.

[Brisketexan 105096]

Just now, TwiceHorn said:

He should be shot, drawn and quartered.

I presume you are quoting numerous posts on Parler that were made within seconds of this news.

[mdmost 43001]

NOW BARR'S IN ON IT!!!!! -Qanon morons

[Js1 85312]

5 minutes ago, HenryJames said:

 

Kiss your pardon goodbye! 

[Beau Vine 54212]

1 hour ago, High Plains Drifter said:

I also think that we (the royal we) excuse incompetence way too much, because at least its not malicious.

Fuck that. Incompetence is frequently just as bad, damaging, dangerous, whatever as maliciousness. Both should be punished, sanctioned, scorned, fined, discredited, whatever.

The legal profession has more barriers to entry than perhaps any other profession on the planet.  It would seem that the purpose of those barriers is to insure competency.  

Given that, I'm baffled as to why TH wants to excuse something by assuming incompetency.

[BehoId, The Underminer! 11669]

1 minute ago, Beau Vine said:

The legal profession has more barriers to entry than perhaps any other profession on the planet. 

really?

i have no appreciable skill of any type and those barriers fell before me like moses and the red sea.

[TwiceHorn 31451]

6 minutes ago, Beau Vine said:

The legal profession has more barriers to entry than perhaps any other profession on the planet.  It would seem that the purpose of those barriers is to insure competency.  

Given that, I'm baffled as to why TH wants to excuse something by assuming incompetency.

Well, it's about the same as a CPA.  Less rigorous than the medical profession.

Less rigorous than a lot of quasi-medical professions, like psychologists and counselors.

And that's just licensing requirements.

Your own profession requires more academic credentials than most lawyers have.

And, being a lawyer for the last 30 years, I've known a fair share of incompetent ones.  

And, everything about that complaint screams carelessness and incompetence.  There's an example on every single page of that 104 page complaint, and a shitload more in the 30 exhibits.

Edited December 1, 2020 by TwiceHorn

[lemonlime 5503]

I would be much more inclined to excuse something as incompetence or give the attorney the benefit of the doubt, if Powell didn't repeatedly exhibit "incompetence" in various ways while filing lawsuits on behalf of the President of the United States, trying to overturn an election, knowing that the documents she is submitting are purportedly of international importance and scrutiny.

This isn't a single, dumb error in a routine slip and fall case where the attorney either did something stupid because he/she was rushing or something slipped through.

[Pig Bellmont 8712]

5 minutes ago, Beau Vine said:

It would seem that the purpose of those barriers is to insure competency.  

After more than 11 years of practicing law, I can wholeheartedly say this is wrong. Well, I guess it may *seem* that way, but a JD and passing the bar exam isn’t quite the feat you may believe. A lot of morons are able to practice law and file lawsuits. A shocking amount of morons. 

[Bozo_Casanova 26444]

40 minutes ago, Kyrie Eleison said:

this is intentional on her part...she's playing fast and loose.  she should be sanctioned at minimum, most likely she should be immediately barred from practicing in that Court and prosecuting the present action barring a show cause hearing on why shouldn't be barred and sanctioned.

Oh but come on, she just attempted to deceive the court to overturn the result of a free and fair election. It's not like she did something really serious like make the jerkoff hand gesture or get into a single car accident while on pills she became hopelessly addicted to as a result of a pain condition and aggressive pharma sales strategy.

 

12 minutes ago, mdmost said:

NOW BARR'S IN ON IT!!!!! -Qanon morons

Not a joke, they are actually saying that. 

Edited December 1, 2020 by Bozo_Casanova

[TwiceHorn 31451]

6 minutes ago, lemonlime said:

I would be much more inclined to excuse something as incompetence or give the attorney the benefit of the doubt, if Powell didn't repeatedly exhibit "incompetence" in various ways while filing lawsuits on behalf of the President of the United States, trying to overturn an election, knowing that the documents she is submitting are purportedly of international importance and scrutiny.

This isn't a single, dumb error in a routine slip and fall case where the attorney either did something stupid because he/she was rushing or something slipped through.

The main thing is that the dates lopped off those two documents is of no significance to the insane argument they made.  They gave it one or two sentences in the complaint.  That's it.
 

Quote

Defendants Kemp and Raffensperger rushed through the purchase of Dominion voting machines and software in 2019 for the 2020 Presidential Election4. A certificate from the Secretary of State was awarded to Dominion Voting Systems but is undated. (See attached hereto Exh. 5, copy Certification for Dominion Voting Systems from Secretary of State). Similarly a test report is signed by Michael Walker as Project Manager but is also undated. (See Exh. 6, Test Report for Dominion Voting Systems, Democracy Suite 5-4-A) 

Was spelling "district"  --DISTRCOICT--  part of Powell's evil plan?

Edited December 1, 2020 by TwiceHorn

[BehoId, The Underminer! 11669]

Powell didn't follow up that spelling "with one or two sentences in the complaint" arguing that is how you spell district.

[Bozo_Casanova 26444]

10 minutes ago, Pig Bellmont said:

After more than 11 years of practicing law, I can wholeheartedly say this is wrong. Well, I guess it may *seem* that way, but a JD and passing the bar exam isn’t quite the feat you may believe. A lot of morons are able to practice law and file lawsuits. A shocking amount of morons. 

I have no problem with the attorneys permitting morons to practice their profession. I do have a huge problem with lawyers and doctors permitting bad actors to openly and obviously abuse their office. 
Egregious liars don't last in enterprise software sales. There's no licensing involved, they just lose credibility in the market and among their professional peers and get shit talked out of that vertical, at least. I have no idea why that doesn't happen with lawyers and doctors, who appear to not only decline to use the many formal mechanisms at their disposal but from the outside looking in, appear to engage in a conspiracy of silence to protect the worst people in their field. 

Edited December 1, 2020 by Bozo_Casanova

[lemonlime 5503]

1 minute ago, TwiceHorn said:

The main thing is that the dates lopped off those two documents is of no significance to the insane argument they made.  They gave it one or two sentences in the complaint.  That's it.

Was spelling "district"  --DISTRCOICT--  part of Powell's evil plan?

No.  But Edison County was.

[TwiceHorn 31451]

4 minutes ago, BehoId, The Underminer! said:

Powell didn't follow up that spelling "with one or two sentences in the complaint" arguing that is how you spell district.

Well, as you see above, they didn't really argue the equivalent of that, either.

And, I would not be opposed to seeing the various attorneys on the complaint sanctioned for filing a really shitty pleading, on a number of levels.  But I think undue focus on those two exhibits is unwarranted.

Edited December 1, 2020 by TwiceHorn

[Walden Ponderer 12639]

16 minutes ago, mdmost said:

NOW BARR'S IN ON IT!!!!! -Qanon morons

Look, if the FBI and DOJ were in on it, you can't possibly tell me you didn't realize the AG was in on it too.

[Cousin Strawberry 1261]

7 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

The main thing is that the dates lopped off those two documents is of no significance to the insane argument they made.  They gave it one or two sentences in the complaint.  That's it.
 

Was spelling "district"  --DISTRCOICT--  part of Powell's evil plan?

According to Q, it was absolutely part of the plan. Every misspelled word, typo and fictitious county are purposeful.  Its a signal to the appellate courts an SCOTUS.

[skeeter 454]

2 hours ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

 

fuck y’all if you can’t take a joke ...

 

[HenryJames 66042]

 

[TwiceHorn 31451]

25 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

I presume you are quoting numerous posts on Parler that were made within seconds of this news.

By Joe DiGenova and Victoria Toensing.

[Brisketexan 105096]

Just now, TwiceHorn said:

By Joe DiGenova and Victoria Toensing.

Well, when the called for people to put up against the wall and shot, they were just joking.

Conservatives are getting better at humor, and it's making the left nervous!

[Beau Vine 54212]

15 minutes ago, Pig Bellmont said:

After more than 11 years of practicing law, I can wholeheartedly say this is wrong. Well, I guess it may *seem* that way, but a JD and passing the bar exam isn’t quite the feat you may believe. A lot of morons are able to practice law and file lawsuits. A shocking amount of morons. 

I was trying to be generous.  The point of all barriers to entry is to increase the salaries of those who get through the barriers.  

[Jive Turkey 12594]

edit

already posted above

Edited December 1, 2020 by Jive Turkey

[Lagunamadre 1975]

32 minutes ago, qwertyu1234 said:

Wait, what is the one case Trump won?

I believe it was the one in Pennsylvania on election night where he sued because poll watchers had to be 10 ft away from the workers, the court let them go to 6 ft., so the big win was 4 ft. for poll watchers. 

Now Trump claims their poll watchers weren't allowed to be there, so apparently his huge 4 ft. court victory was for people who were not even present. Which makes sense. 

[Gil Bang 25944]

6 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

By Joe DiGenova and Victoria Toensing.

I remember when DiGenova's fat ass regularly appeared on talk shows, like "Geraldo".  The fucking self-parody regularly held and mouthed a giant unlit cigar.  Like the biggest cigar  imaginable. 

[HenryJames 66042]

 

[tx 3 putt 76906]

38 minutes ago, qwertyu1234 said:

Wait, what is the one case Trump won?

 

votes received after the designated deadline could not be counted in pa ?

[Fudge Nuggets 19190]

2 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

Exhibit eleventy billion in the case of "these people are completely fucking insane, and may irrevocably damage the Republic and any hope for a functioning democracy."

We have a not insignificant number of Americans who want the sitting president to invoke martial law because they don't like the result of an election.  Who want the military to arrest political enemies.

These are words, actually being published and amplified by a shitload of American people.

It really doesn't matter what happens from here on out.  The Republic is already lost.  It's just a matter of when it actually dies.

I can't call Ivanka a bimbo, but this shit head can basically call for an armed revolt.  Genius move, tweetie.

[Gil Bang 25944]

Oh shit, who could have predicted this?
 

 

 

[lemonlime 5503]

4 minutes ago, Lagunamadre said:

I believe it was the one in Pennsylvania on election night where he sued because poll watchers had to be 10 ft away from the workers, the court let them go to 6 ft., so the big win was 4 ft. for poll watchers. 

Now Trump claims their poll watchers weren't allowed to be there, so apparently his huge 4 ft. court victory was for people who were not even present. Which makes sense. 

It was actually this one, tossing a small number of ballots of voters in PA who had not verified their identity before a deadline.

https://www.post-gazette.com/news/crime-courts/2020/11/12/trump-campaign-election-2020-presidential-pennsylvania-lawsuit-ballots-late-identification/stories/202011120132

Edited December 1, 2020 by lemonlime

[mdmost 43001]

Well, no pardon for you, Mr. Barr. 

[HenryJames 66042]

 

[bad_teammate 13195]

2 minutes ago, HenryJames said:

 

I'm on TexAgs a lot now, because my brain is deranged and broken, and they bought this 100%.

[Js1 85312]

4 minutes ago, HenryJames said:

 

Big Army

[Chad Fuck 17671]

Bill Barr is just Darth Vader looking for the next Emperor to serve.  

He's rat who knows when to exit the ship.

In short, fuck Bill Barr with a rusty stretch post.

 

['stache 21802]

1 hour ago, TwiceHorn said:

Really not.

I just happen to think that the two items of evidence were mishandled, not intentionally falsely represented.

A lawyer should do better.  That is, at the very minimum, wildly embarrassing.  But that whole thing is 104 pages of wildly embarrassing legal work.  I'd be hard-pressed to figure out which aspect is the most embarrassing.

Quibbling about something that may have been intentionally or accidentally represented as undated is mostly immaterial.  Particularly in the context of all that rubbish.  You don't need to rely on the falsity of those two exhibits to trash the credibility of the entire work.  That is the thing that is perhaps most irritating about the whole debate.

It's like "oooh ohh, teacher, I caught them in a lie (maybe)."  In the grand context of that heap of shit, that's nothing.

Here's what I expect would happen if someone were called on the carpet for that:

Lawyer:  your honor, we got those two exhibits off the internet to show that the GA SOS certified the Dominion equipment and when.   Somehow, portions of the documents, including the dates, got cut off.  When we cited the material in the complaint, we noticed there were no dates, and said so.  That's all there was to it.

Judge:  Don't you think you should have been more careful about citing complete documents to the Court?

Lawyer:  Yes your honor, we should have, we made a mistake.  We should have gone back and gotten the entire documents and then we would have seen the dates.  However, we didn't argue or attach much significance to the date or lack thereof anywhere in our argument, so we respectfully submit that it is of minimal materiality.

Pretty sure the focus on that is to point out what was likely an intentional lie to the court. I haven't seen a single person saying it is the only problem. The overall problem is the subject of every post here. They are lying. There is no evidence whatsoever of fraud. What is most embarrassing is a gaggle of "lawyers" violating Rule 11 by filing frivolous claims that have no good-faith basis (no evidence = no good faith basis), and very likely committing perjury. The criticisms aren't about incompetence or even professional negligence, it's about submitting outright lies and ruining all credibility as a lawyer, all for the sake of an egomaniac who has no path to reversing the election that he lost. 

[aggie08 21497]

Can the machines build a better software programmer, please? This version of the Matrix is way too easy to see through. 

[Gatorubet 30213]

 

[Sbbruin 21843]

1 hour ago, HenryJames said:

 

 

[Gatorubet 30213]

The legal profession has more barriers to entry than perhaps any other profession on the planet.