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December 5, 2020
I'm a Legislator in Pennsylvania, and I'm Suing the Governor for Election Fraud
By Frank Ryan
Actions by the Pennsylvania Supreme Court and secretary of state in the 2020 general election were so fraught with inconsistencies, documented irregularities, and improprieties (see filing below) that the election results for the office of president of the United States cannot be determined. The actions were so flagrant and egregious that I am a plaintiff in a case in the Commonwealth Court against Gov. Tom Wolf, et al. to seek relief.

The flawed processes associated with mail-in balloting, pre-canvassing, and canvassing have so undermined the election that only the in-person Election Day results have any semblance of validity. Because the mail-in process was so fatally flawed, the results cannot be audited, which may have been the governor's objective when he acted unilaterally to replace voting machines last year and demanded certain election reforms.

In any business or organization, internal controls are designed to deter wrongdoing. Likewise, elections require reasonable controls to ensure that the results accurately reflect the will of the voters. The system of controls over voting in Pennsylvania's 2020 General Election were so deficient as to render the results of the mail-in ballot process incapable of being relied upon. Therefore, the Legislature, of which I am a member, introduced a resolution declaring the results of statewide electoral contests in the 2020 general election in dispute.

Several actions led up to this. In September, the Pennsylvania Supreme Court overreached by extending the deadline for mail-in ballots to be received and mandating that ballots mailed without a postmark would be presumed to be received on time and could be accepted without a verified voter

On Oct. 23, less than two weeks before the Nov. 3 general election, and at the request of the secretary of the commonwealth, the state Supreme Court ruled that signatures for mail-in ballots need not be authenticated, thereby treating in-person and mail-in voters dissimilarly and eliminating a critical safeguard against election crime. In the same order, the court authorized the use of drop boxes for the collection of ballots, leaving them vulnerable to ballot-harvesting.

Other actions by the secretary of state undermined the consistency and controls of the election by permitting voters in heavily Democrat counties to fix defects on their mail-in ballots while heavily Republican counties followed the law and invalidated defective ballots. The secretary has shown bias in get-out-the-vote efforts by focusing largely on counties and localities controlled by Democrats. In certain counties, watchers were not allowed to meaningfully observe the pre-canvassing and canvassing activities relating to absentee and mail-in ballots. Also, some poll-watchers observed irregularities concerning the pre-canvassing and canvassing of absentee and mail-in ballots.

Many members of the General Assembly, of which I am a member recently re-elected in a landslide, believe that the mail-in ballot process in the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania in the 2020 general election to be so defective as to declare the selection of presidential electors in this commonwealth to be in dispute. To this end, many of my colleagues and I have petitioned the Congress of the United States to declare the process of mail-in ballots so flawed that the Congress of the United States, as prescribed by the U. S. Constitution, should select Pennsylvania's electors for the 2020 general election.

[Shaddie 1656]

So Tom

Got a non-election question for you. 
 

If trump is such a great president why did he replace over half of the Defense Business (or whatever it’s called)board? What possible advantage to our safety could this sudden move do? If they were incompetent before now shouldn’t he have done this earlier? 

[TtomTerrific 200]

This is exactly what happens whenever “Bad Teamate. Hobbes and WildcatO9 mistakenly take on the MAGA army and not wait until after dark to prey on elderly couples sitting in restaurants or mothers with children in strollers


EVERY

FUCKING

TIME


The acne faced? Bird chested betas who are HEAVILY represented on this board have been running into this problem for their entire limpwristed lives.

You can’t win a fight, throw like a bitch and totally shred on a skateboard, but this happens everytime you try and go up a Trump crowd. And it’s pissing you off

And you’ve defunded the one group who could be helping you

[Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand 13595]

36 minutes ago, TtomTerrific said:

 

......

You quoted Bookman asking a straightforward yes or no question, and replied with the same video you linked in your previous post that starts off with some guy I've never heard of claiming he's my boy, Ben Jammin' (?), with your Xs on the side (?). Did I hear that correctly? 

[TtomTerrific 200]

So Tom
Got a non-election question for you. 
 
If trump is such a great president why did he replace over half of the Defense Business (or whatever it’s called)board? What possible advantage to our safety could this sudden move do? If they were incompetent before now shouldn’t he have done this earlier? 

Fair enough.

Perhaps he knows that his control over the military is going to be re-established as somehow he has lost the justice department even though there’s been an active spying campaign against him before and after his election, he was forced to sit through a completely fabricated impeachment attempt while the FBI sat on evidence in their possession completely exonerating him, stopped the Durham probe, allowed cities to burn without enforcing the law and now this.

He can’t have a military move against him like that.

He should have sent then into Portland, Seattle and NYC and was talked out of it.

Had he went in, much of the rioting and all of the arson and looting of business would have been stopped.

He’s not allowing this election fraud to stand , he’s not allowing Biden or the swamp anywhere near the military and is removing those who work for him who will possibly reach out to the treasonous enemies of the state who just attempted to end our republic.

We’ve never had an “existence threat”!against our Republic like the one he is putting down. He needs his lieutenants loyal in this fight.

[Fastbreak 3996]

Or, he is a con artist, like has has been his entire life.

[G650 14286]

TTom has to be performance art.

[Shaddie 1656]

2 minutes ago, TtomTerrific said:

Fair enough.

Perhaps he knows that his control over the military is going to be re-established as somehow he has lost the justice department even though there’s been an active spying campaign against him before and after his election, he was forced to sit through a completely fabricated impeachment attempt while the FBI sat on evidence in their possession completely exonerating him, stopped the Durham probe, allowed cities to burn without enforcing the law and now this.

He can’t have a military move against him like that.

He should have sent then into Portland, Seattle and NYC and was talked out of it.

Had he went in, much of the rioting and all of the arson and looting of business would have been stopped.

He’s not allowing this election fraud to stand , he’s not allowing Biden or the swamp anywhere near the military and is removing those who work for him who will possibly reach out to the treasonous enemies of the state who just attempted to end our republic.

We’ve never had an “existence threat”!against our Republic like the one he is putting down. He needs his lieutenants loyal in this fight.

As I thought. 
You don’t even have a clue to what they do. They help streamline private business and the military purchasing their goods and services. They have 0 to do with control of military. 
But you know there will be some large contracts handed out in the next 40 days that just happen to benefit Trump supporters. 

[TtomTerrific 200]

He asked me to “name one witness to election fraud who had sworn out an affidavit to same. (Forgetting his and your sacrosanct status whistle blowers are afforded - so, so important or else they may be found out to be just some guy on Adam Schiff’s staff. -er——U mean they might be in physical danger...which has been borne out because indeed a few of these have been attacked, at least one hospitalized- but they bravely remain patriotic among the treason. Determined to report to a court of law what they witnessed that happened.

So. Bookman wants one name anyway and I gave him six.

Other than that, I’ve got no clue what you read much less what you mean.

[TtomTerrific 200]

As I thought. 
You don’t even have a clue to what they do. They help streamline private business and the military purchasing their goods and services. They have 0 to do with control of military. 
But you know there will be some large contracts handed out in the next 40 days that just happen to benefit Trump supporters. 

A minute ago you didn’t know “what they were called” so I assumed you meant those in the military hierarchy he has replaced and brought closer to his inner circle.

How the fuck am I supposed to guess which group you are referring to when you don’t even know?

[TtomTerrific 200]

So Tom
Got a non-election question for you. 
 
If trump is such a great president why did he replace over half of the Defense Business (or whatever it’s called)board? What possible advantage to our safety could this sudden move do? If they were incompetent before now shouldn’t he have done this earlier? 

Here’s your question....before you edit

[Shaddie 1656]

So you are saying you just respond, without any research on said subject? My point is proven. 

[HenryJames 66228]

YouTube videos > Court rulings

[Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand 13595]

23 minutes ago, TtomTerrific said:

So. Bookman wants one name anyway and I gave him six.

Other than that, I’ve got no clue what you read much less what you mean.

He asked you if she signed an affidavit. You quoted him. Then you posted the same YouTube video you did in your previous post as if it were a response to the actual question asked, which the video doesn't even address. It's shocking with your clarity of thought you're having difficulty understanding.

[HenryJames 66228]

3 hours ago, TtomTerrific said:

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Hima Kolanagireddy

 

Seems legit.

[HenryJames 66228]

Edited December 6, 2020 by HenryJames

[Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand 13595]

Apu with the mic drop.

[BradInATX 9208]

*enters thread*
*Sees dozens of hidden posts by TTom in the middle of the night*

[aggie08 21561]

2 hours ago, TtomTerrific said:

The acne faced? Bird chested betas who are HEAVILY represented on this board have been running into this problem for their entire limpwristed lives.

You can’t win a fight, throw like a bitch and totally shred on a skateboard, but this happens everytime you try and go up a Trump crowd. And it’s pissing you off

What the fuck is the obsession with Trumpsters wanting everyone to know what manly manly men they are (no insecurity issues there, I'm sure), and calling everyone else betas? And how, exactly, is Donald fucking Trump someone they can hold up as the ultimate alpha male?

That shit would be embarrassing "track talk" in a high school locker room.

[safe sex 11800]

2 hours ago, TtomTerrific said:

The acne faced? Bird chested betas who are HEAVILY represented on this board have been running into this problem for their entire limpwristed lives.

 

Just take that extra step and let it all out, you homophobic crumb of smegma.

[TwiceHorn 31646]

52 minutes ago, HenryJames said:

This is where you start to see a wide gulf between inexperienced, possibly slapdick lawyers and big firm lawyers.

Expert witnesses on pretty esoteric subjects are common as goose shit in big time litigation.  Handling experts not only requires experience in handling them and preparing their reports, but also acquisition of your own "expertise" in the subject matter of the expert's testimony.

Most big firms are going to have a lawyer or two with some expertise in experts and at least in the vicinity of their subject matter, like an undergraduate degree in a related field.

An expert witness, unlike a non-expert, is permitted to give opinion testimony to a jury or to the judge.  But qualifying them and preparing a report of their testimony (basically an affidavit) is fraught with difficulties and pitfalls, both legal and technical (meaning how you present the technical subject matter in a way that is unassailable other than by simple disagreement as to the opinion given).

Even if Sidney Powell and her associates weren't deranged and apparently generally incompetent, it wouldn't surprise me at all that a firm like Perkins Coie's lawyers absolutely pants her on expert witnesses.  Marc Elias apparently is an elections guru and thus has acquired knowledge over the years of statistical voting analysis.  I imagine Perkins Coie, his firm, has a lawyer or two with backgrounds in statistics or a related field like data analysis or informatics.  And, they probably have a "stable" of reliable expert witnesses on these subjects standing by to destroy amateur hackjobs like Powell's witnesses.

I suspect the judge in that case is going to put her experts on a rocket and fire it into the sun.  Should be fun.

Edited December 6, 2020 by TwiceHorn

[Texaspython 231]

10 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

This is where you start to see a wide gulf between inexperienced, possibly slapdick lawyers and big firm lawyers.

Expert witnesses on pretty esoteric subjects are common as goose shit in big time litigation.  Handling experts not only requires experience in handling them and preparing their reports, but also acquisition of your own "expertise" in the subject matter of the expert's testimony.

Most big firms are going to have a lawyer or two with some expertise in experts and at least in the vicinity of their subject matter, like an undergraduate degree in a related field.

An expert witness, unlike a non-expert, is permitted to give opinion testimony to a jury or to the judge.  But qualifying them and preparing a report of their testimony (basically an affidavit) is fraught with difficulties and pitfalls.  

Even if Sidney Powell and her associates wasn't deranged and apparently generally incompetent, it wouldn't surprise me at all that a firm like Perkins Coie's lawyers absolutely pants her on expert witnesses.

Nailed it, these guys are so out of their league.

[Sawbonz 27712]

Tom has to be a hitby sock right?

[AnTiM 1675]

I think Tom should just pack up all his evidence and get his ass straight over to the Supreme Court instead of wasting his time with a bunch of know-nothings like us.

[Bookman 4649]

3 hours ago, TtomTerrific said:

Yeah. Ok Bookman. I’ve given you the names. You asked for one. I gave you 5.

Strike Three.

This explains why you don't understand why the Trump campaign keeps losing its lawsuits.

[TwiceHorn 31646]

I should add that what I said is no dig at small firm lawyers.  There are lots of smaller firms that handle experts expertly.  Usually, their practices are relatively focused, as in IP, or personal injury, or antitrust or whatever.  And within that field they are subject matter experts along with their expert witnesses.

The absence of experienced election/voting rights lawyers on team Trump is glaring.  Not only are the mostly present in big firms like Perkins Coie and Jones Day, to whom Trump and this election nonsense are radioactive, but I don't think any of them could ethically support this kind of litigation.

This expert witness debacle is one of those instances that brisket likes to talk about where in- or barely competent lawyers with a crazed client can make things extremely difficult and annoying for good lawyers and their clients.  They won't ultimately win, but they create an unholy and expensive mess on the way out.

Edited December 6, 2020 by TwiceHorn

[HenryJames 66228]

You’re overthinking this.

[Biff Tannen 45753]

So glad I have Ttom on ignore. 

[TwiceHorn 31646]

7 minutes ago, HenryJames said:

You’re overthinking this.

Me?  Maybe so.  When I first saw the Kraken suits, there were references to these experts and their affidavits/reports.  It made me nervous that they could actually find "experts" to support them on this bullshit, but all I could do is google their names and try to figure out what their qualifications were.

Then the expert affidavits were posted.  Some (Spyder) were obvious laughable bullshit, some less so because they had a bunch of statistical gobbledygook in them, and that's not my area.  

So I am glad to see that there apparently isn't anything dangerous in their "reports," which was not clear to me until seeing that motion to strike posted above.

Edited December 6, 2020 by TwiceHorn

[AnTiM 1675]

4 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

So glad I have Ttom on ignore. 

Awww cmon and join us watching until he gets so totally full of crap that he explodes.

[BradInATX 9208]

Awww cmon and join us watching until he gets so totally full of crap that he explodes.

Man, I guess it depends on how you look at it. Y'all see a kinda dumb conspiracy nut who y'all like to bat around. I see a legitimately disturbed and deranged man that I want no part of. I don't want to be witness to the breakdown and disassociation with reality he's in the middle of. It's dark shit. I also don't like to watch faces of death videos or death porn. I'm with biff, he's on my ignore list. I come here for good debates, sports news, and general bar banter. If I wanted to watch a man melt down, I have the movie "Falling Down" on DVD.

[hookemATL 11943]

[wildcat09 29447]

I’m having a hard time picturing myself on a skateboard.

[Mrs Whiggins 13050]

1 hour ago, aggie08 said:

What the fuck is the obsession with Trumpsters wanting everyone to know what manly manly men they are (no insecurity issues there, I'm sure), and calling everyone else betas? And how, exactly, is Donald fucking Trump someone they can hold up as the ultimate alpha male?

That shit would be embarrassing "track talk" in a high school locker room.

 

I had a long-winded screed typed out about it, but deleted it since it's completely off-topic, but simply put: first: ego and second: fairy tales (not the pejorative meaning here).

[Neonmoon 38130]

5 hours ago, TtomTerrific said:

https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/18707812/1/5/bowyer-v-ducey/

Uh oh.

There is a difference between possibility and fact. 

[HenryJames 66228]

12 minutes ago, Neonmoon said:

There is a difference between possibility and fact. 

https://1drv.ms/b/s!AnM-WBnwB3FHhXKiAjPj_QNUsr8K
 

Spyder is dealt with in page 28.

[Kyrie Eleison 9312]

Breaking. 4 hours ago...

Judge in Antrim County, Michigan, has authorized a forensic audit of 22 Dominion Voting Systems machines, according to Trump lawyer Rudy Giuliani.

“BIG WIN FOR HONEST ELECTIONS,” the former New York City Mayor wrote on Twitter on Dec. 4. “This is where the untrustworthy Dominion machine flipped 6,000 votes from Trump to Biden. Spiking of votes by Dominion happened all over the state.”

Rudy’s spiking the ball when the other team scored. that judge’s ruling is for the sole limited purpose of determining whether a state resolution on the ballot actually passed: the resolution won by a single vote in that jurisdiction.

what resolution you ask?

whether to legalize marijuana.

The ruling has nothing to do with any aspect of the presidential election nor the machines in that specific race, and in fact specifically excludes that race.

Rudy is either too dumb, senile or disingenuous to not pick this up.

[TwiceHorn 31646]

37 minutes ago, Neonmoon said:

There is a difference between possibility and fact. 

I didn't check the link.  That is the infamous Spyder affidavit.  It is complete dogshit speculation.  Perfect for Q types.

[TwiceHorn 31646]

2 minutes ago, Kyrie Eleison said:

Rudy’s spiking the ball when the other team scored. that judge’s ruling is for the sole limited purpose of determining whether a state resolution on the ballot actually passed: the resolution won by a single vote in that jurisdiction.

what resolution you ask?

whether to legalize marijuana.

The ruling has nothing to do with any aspect of the presidential election nor the machines in that specific race, and in fact specifically excludes that race.

Rudy is either too dumb, senile or disingenuous to not pick this up.

All that said, I would support some sort of "forensic audit" of voting machines in the contested states.  Of a voluntary nature, by an uninterested third party with NDAs or other appropriate measures to guard the IP of the machine vendors.

Why?  Because there are legitimate questions as to the security of these machines.  Do I believe they were tampered with or hacked?  No.  But, it is at least theoretically possible and I would like to see some evidence that they were not.

[sasquatch69 603]

3 hours ago, G650 said:

TTom has to be performance art.

Yet there is a whole board full of TToms over at TexAgs.

[AnTiM 1675]

1 minute ago, sasquatch69 said:

Yet there is a whole board full of TToms over at TexAgs.

Aha, so that is from whence he came.

[Ted Lange 16144]

 

[Fudge Nuggets 19240]

1 minute ago, Ted Lange said:

 

That dude's fucked.  Oh well.

[Neonmoon 38130]

10 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

All that said, I would support some sort of "forensic audit" of voting machines in the contested states.  Of a voluntary nature, by an uninterested third party with NDAs or other appropriate measures to guard the IP of the machine vendors.

Why?  Because there are legitimate questions as to the security of these machines.  Do I believe they were tampered with or hacked?  No.  But, it is at least theoretically possible and I would like to see some evidence that they were not.

While I support the good faith action in theory, in reality, it only fuels the conspiracy. With no evidence whatsoever, and Georgia’s hand recount ballots confirming the Dominion total, they should be trusted to internally check their software to see if any breaches were made. I’m sure they already have, and found nothing. If states want to use different systems next time because of whatever theoretical possibilities, then so be it. If we are to investigate all theoretical possible allegations, nothing would get done, because we would be investigating conspiracy theories all day. For example, theoretically Donald Trump is a foreign asset, until we review every email and text he has ever sent or received in his entire life by a disinterested third party, we can’t be sure. No one is willing to entertain that exercise even though it has just as much plausibility. 

[Cousin Strawberry 1263]

3 hours ago, TtomTerrific said:

He asked me to “name one witness to election fraud who had sworn out an affidavit to same. (Forgetting his and your sacrosanct status whistle blowers are afforded - so, so important or else they may be found out to be just some guy on Adam Schiff’s staff. -er——U mean they might be in physical danger...which has been borne out because indeed a few of these have been attacked, at least one hospitalized- but they bravely remain patriotic among the treason. Determined to report to a court of law what they witnessed that happened.

So. Bookman wants one name anyway and I gave him six.

Other than that, I’ve got no clue what you read much less what you mean.

The “manic” phase is a real rush, huh buddy? Get help.

[TtomTerrific 200]

[Nice Guy Eddie 13530]

24 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

All that said, I would support some sort of "forensic audit" of voting machines in the contested states.  Of a voluntary nature, by an uninterested third party with NDAs or other appropriate measures to guard the IP of the machine vendors.

Why?  Because there are legitimate questions as to the security of these machines.  Do I believe they were tampered with or hacked?  No.  But, it is at least theoretically possible and I would like to see some evidence that they were not.

What are the legitimate questions that you reference? There is zero credible evidence that anything was wrong with them. Why don’t you first prove that there are legitimate concerns and then jump to calls for investigations.

[Dahobbs 17717]

25 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

All that said, I would support some sort of "forensic audit" of voting machines in the contested states.  Of a voluntary nature, by an uninterested third party with NDAs or other appropriate measures to guard the IP of the machine vendors.

Why?  Because there are legitimate questions as to the security of these machines.  Do I believe they were tampered with or hacked?  No.  But, it is at least theoretically possible and I would like to see some evidence that they were not.

I would welcome more thorough and public evaluation of election machines in general. I'm a big proponent of the machines that print a paper ballot and hate the machines used in Harris County (trust the machine recorded your vote correctly). I also think that a receipt should be printed for the voter so that they can have proof of how their vote should have been recorded. The government shouldn't know how I voted (i.e., no connection in the system to voter and vote), but I should be able to track it back in the system to verify if I want. A simple paper receipt would accomplish that task. 

[Yuk 1572]

100% Ttom is into QAnon and over the age of 60.

 

[tx 3 putt 77651]

2 minutes ago, Yuk said:

100% Ttom is into QAnon and over the age of 60.

 

And a cuck