the trump election lawsuit thread of dominance

[thrillhammer 683]

i have an aching fear that trump stays in office.

[Js1 85109]

4 minutes ago, thrillhammer said:

i have an aching fear that trump stays in office.

If Trump, who lost the electoral college by the same margin he won in 2016 that was a "historic blowout" by their own standards, is somehow President of the United States after 12:01pm on January 20, 2021, the entire country will rip apart.  

Civil War and Secession 2.0

Edited December 10, 2020 by Js1

[Nice Guy Eddie 13412]

3 minutes ago, thrillhammer said:

i have an aching fear that trump stays in office.

The fact that it could only take 5 people to find a reason to make that occur is scary.  What's encouraging is that other appointed judges haven't fallen for that option.

[thrillhammer 683]

2 minutes ago, Js1 said:

If Trump, who lost the electoral college by the same margin he won in 2016 that was a "historic blowout" by their own standards, is somehow President of the United States after 12:01pm on January 20, 2021, the entire country will rip apart.  

Civil War and Secession 2.0

i wonder what would happen if his shenanigans pay off.  he lost popular vote by 7 million, huge, but dont agree that he "lost electoral college" since that is what is still being litigated.

[Js1 85109]

All 50 states have certified their votes.

He lost the Electoral College 306-232.  You're letting objective facts be clouded by nonsense. 

In 4 days, they'll meet and certify the EC results. 

['stache 21773]

16 minutes ago, Tuco said:

The lawsuit is fucked up for multiple reasons. Obviously, there is the question of standing and states' right - "the law".  Obviously there is the fact that the basis for the challenge lacks any compelling evidence - "the facts".  But something I think what is being under-appreciated is how fucked up it is that the official state governments are using not only the tax dollars, but the authority, of the state to pursue a purely political endeavor.  This is not fighting for water rights for all Texans, or even a partisan policy issue like abortion rights.  This is purely an attempt to install a political ally, and using the state government to do so.  It is extremely similar to what Trump got impeached for - using the government's funds and position for purely political gain.  It is corruption, right out in the open.  

 

Yup, our current constitutional government is not sustainable. I fear there will be serious unrest within the next decade and possibly succession or at worst civil war. A country cannot exist if half of its people and politicians are willing to ignore the constitution if their side doesn't win and to undermine the winner's administration. 

13 minutes ago, thrillhammer said:

i have an aching fear that trump stays in office.

Not gonna happen. The bigger problem is as I've described above, a complete undermining of our constitutional democracy which is not sustainable.

[RDCanecutter 26269]

11 minutes ago, Js1 said:

If Trump, who lost the electoral college by the same margin he won in 2016 that was a "historic blowout" by their own standards, is somehow President of the United States after 12:01pm on January 20, 2021, the entire country will rip apart.  

Civil War and Secession 3.0

Rev War was a civil war too.

[Tuco 5076]

15 minutes ago, thrillhammer said:

i have an aching fear that trump stays in office.

Here's the thing about Trump: if you look at any time he declared bankruptcy, he was claiming that it wasn't going to happen up until the moment that it did.  He's never going to publicly concede the inevitable.  But, he still signed the papers in the end.  

['stache 21773]

Interesting question. If California tried to secede and become it's own country, would the United States really go to war? How would republicans justify hating California and say it's "failing" while then fighting to keep it in the union? Would they have to admit or acknowledge that California pays more into the federal government that it gets back and that the south is the opposite? I think it would be more of a political clusterfuck like Brexit than an actual war.

Edited December 10, 2020 by 'stache

[RDCanecutter 26269]

Just now, 'stache said:

Interesting question. If California tried to secede and become it's own country, would the United States really go to war? How would republican's justify hating California and say it's "failing" while then fighting to keep it in the union? Would they have to admit or acknowledge that California pays more into the federal government that it gets back and that the south is the opposite? I think it would be more of a political clusterfuck like Brexit than an actual war.

People can't hardly get up the energy to pick up their own food from the restaurant. There'll be a bunch of TikTok videos in camo but ain't nobody gonna go to war.

[Nice Guy Eddie 13412]

7 minutes ago, thrillhammer said:

i wonder what would happen if his shenanigans pay off.  he lost popular vote by 7 million, huge, but dont agree that he "lost electoral college" since that is what is still being litigated.

 

2 minutes ago, Js1 said:

All 50 states have certified their votes.

He lost the Electoral College 306-232.  You're letting objective facts be clouded by nonsense. 

In 4 days, they'll meet and certify the EC results. 

Exactly. Everyone understands that the EC hasn't formally voted but we know the basic results, minus faithless electors, unless Trump can get SCOTUS to give him the election. 

Acting like the EC vote is unknown at the moment is like when your football team is down by 40 with a minute left, the announcers are declaring that you've lost, and you're screaming at the TV that the refs could still declare a forfeit of the winning team.

If Trump is declared the winner of the election without any evidence of large scale fraud, the legitimacy of the federal govt seriously comes into question. Why pay your taxes if you don't believe they are the real govt. Why follow any law, other than the immediate fear of prison? I don't think America is over with SCOTUS giving the election to Trump but its a big step to what could be considered the eventual decline of the US.

[Walden Ponderer 12639]

5 minutes ago, RDCanecutter said:

Rev War was a civil war too.

You're just gonna discount the Regulators in Alamance County in 1770? Or the New England secession movement of the first decade of the 1800's?

Nah, taking your marbles and going home is an American tradition. We're sore losers from the get-go.

[Francisco 2.0 32334]

2 minutes ago, 'stache said:

Interesting question. If California tried to secede and become it's own country, would the United States really go to war? How would republican's justify hating California and say it's "failing" while then fighting to keep it in the union? Would they have to admit or acknowledge that California pays more into the federal government that it gets back and that the south is the opposite? I think it would be more of a political clusterfuck like Brexit than an actual war.

You're overthinking this.

 

Because Team MAGA doesn't think critically about anything anymore.  It's A) stay in power, and B) piss off libs.  The end justifies the means. Rinse and repeat.

The Mitt Romneys would wring their hands and point out the revenue concerns and whatnot, but their voices would be drowned out with the chorus of "let those tofu eating motherfuckers survive on their own".

 

 

 

[RDCanecutter 26269]

3 minutes ago, Walden Ponderer said:

You're just gonna discount the Regulators in Alamance County in 1770? Or the New England secession movement of the first decade of the 1800's?

Yep. They're in the BOGO bin until somebody makes some long boring movies about them with inspirational full-measure chords swelling up while cameras pan across 50-year-old reenactors playing teenagers.

[Pato del Muerto 52342]

20 minutes ago, RDCanecutter said:

Rev War was a civil war too.

The British endeavor to perform every task with civility. 

[aggie08 21434]

9 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

I don't think America is over with SCOTUS giving the election to Trump but its a big step to what could be considered the eventual decline of the US.

You could probably make a pretty compelling case that America is over if the highest court in the land rules that all mail-in votes don't count after the fact, paving the way for state legislatures to assign electors based on only the in-person votes without a single case of "fraud" being proven in lower courts.

There had better not be a single dissenter among the judges on this one.

[Francisco 2.0 32334]

2 minutes ago, aggie08 said:

You could probably make a pretty compelling case that America is over if the highest court in the land rules that all mail-in votes don't count after the fact, paving the way for state legislatures to assign electors based on only the in-person votes without a single case of "fraud" being proven in lower courts.

There had better not be a single dissenter among the judges on this one.

[Dahobbs 17447]

41 minutes ago, thrillhammer said:

i wonder what would happen if his shenanigans pay off.  he lost popular vote by 7 million, huge, but dont agree that he "lost electoral college" since that is what is still being litigated.

Fucking nonsense. Either troll or dreadfully ignorant. 

[jimmyjazz 45557]

I always love the discussions about California seceding.  We're talking about a single state that supplies 1/3 the United States' vegetable crop, 2/3 the fruits & nuts (NTTIAWWT), and almost 1/4 the national dairy products. Throw in Silicon Valley?  No way could they go quietly into the night.

[RDCanecutter 26269]

2 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

I always love the discussions about California seceding.  We're talking about a single state that supplies 1/3 the United States' vegetable crop, 2/3 the fruits & nuts (NTTIAWWT), and almost 1/4 the national dairy products. Throw in Silicon Valley?  No way could they go quietly into the night.

I don't think anybody's seceding, but if anybody did, people who have things to sell still generally want to sell them.

[jimmyjazz 45557]

Just now, RDCanecutter said:

I don't think anybody's seceding, but if anybody did, people who have things to sell still generally want to sell them.

Sure, but they would gain leverage, and as others noted, there's the whole "contributes more to the federal budget than takes out in services" thing.

The military would step in at minute one.

[Walden Ponderer 12639]

Holy shit, these morally bankrupt dumbasses are actually saying out loud they want nothing to do with the people who are paying for their depravity.

 

 

FUCK THEM ALL.

I've been silent on the blowback to "Hillbilly Elegy" because I thought it was stupid. But let me tell you -- I vacation in Appalachia, because it's beautiful. But the people? The LAZIEST, STUPIDEST motherfuckers on the planet. White trash doesn't even begin to describe them.

Go ahead. Secede. And when your rent comes due, don't fucking come crying, bitches.

['stache 21773]

6 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

Sure, but they would gain leverage, and as others noted, there's the whole "contributes more to the federal budget than takes out in services" thing.

The military would step in at minute one.

I think our military only fights brown people these days. Sure there are plenty of Hispanics in California, but I'm really skeptical it would be an actual civil war fought by the military. I could be wrong. I just hope things can fix themselves, I'm just not optimistic. We were already heading towards extraordinary polarization, and trump was the nuke that may blow our democracy to shit.

[BehoId, The Underminer! 11668]

2 minutes ago, Walden Ponderer said:

Holy shit, these morally bankrupt dumbasses are actually saying out loud they want nothing to do with the people who are paying for their depravity.

 

 

FUCK THEM ALL.

I've been silent on the blowback to "Hillbilly Elegy" because I thought it was stupid. But let me tell you -- I vacation in Appalachia, because it's beautiful. But the people? The LAZIEST, STUPIDEST motherfuckers on the planet. White trash doesn't even begin to describe them.

Go ahead. Secede. And when your rent comes due, don't fucking come crying, bitches.

i'm pro secession for the shit ass states.  the problem is texas would sign up to go along.

[tx 3 putt 76372]

35 minutes ago, aggie08 said:

There had better not be a single dissenter among the judges on this one.

clarence thomas laughs in your face

[brown water 3761]

On 12/9/2020 at 10:16 AM, Upgrayedd said:

What is it with these people and their fucking binders?

Blinders 

[thrillhammer 683]

58 minutes ago, 'stache said:

Yup, our current constitutional government is not sustainable. I fear there will be serious unrest within the next decade and possibly succession or at worst civil war. A country cannot exist if half of its people and politicians are willing to ignore the constitution if their side doesn't win and to undermine the winner's administration. 

Not gonna happen. The bigger problem is as I've described above, a complete undermining of our constitutional democracy which is not sustainable.

trump's reactions to all this have been exactly as predicted.  his immaturity and insecurity have formed delusions of grandeur.  he's a spoiled little rich kid with a sense of entitlement and a belief that the law does not apply to him.  he made it clear he wanted to be president for 20 more years, and wasn't going to let the constitution stop him.  what bothers me is congress going along with it, never slapping him back down to reality.  they should have learned by their obstructionist party of no stance during Obama, that the dems can (and have) do the same thing.  if they allow trump to not disclose his taxes, well now no president has to.  if they allow this kind of attack on innocent, legal, fair voters, then every election from here on out will go to the supreme court. 

the fact that none of them are coming forward publicly and acknowledging biden's win, and reprimanding trump for his actions, is way more disturbing to me than trump's behavior. 

[Gatorubet 30099]

Rev War was a civil war too.

Shay’s Rebellion was one, but more of a Gravy Seals deal. Fed troops kicked their butt.

[Sawbonz 27429]

1 hour ago, 'stache said:

Interesting question. If California tried to secede and become it's own country, would the United States really go to war? How would republicans justify hating California and say it's "failing" while then fighting to keep it in the union? Would they have to admit or acknowledge that California pays more into the federal government that it gets back and that the south is the opposite? I think it would be more of a political clusterfuck like Brexit than an actual war.

How exactly would Cali secede? Are they going to purchase all federal property within their borders? What about citizens within their borders who don’t want to be California citizens? It’s stupid. 
 

Not to mention if congress ratified such an agreement why wouldn’t Mexico immediately annex the territory? Same with Texas 

['stache 21773]

3 minutes ago, thrillhammer said:

trump's reactions to all this have been exactly as predicted.  his immaturity and insecurity have formed delusions of grandeur.  he's a spoiled little rich kid with a sense of entitlement and a belief that the law does not apply to him.  he made it clear he wanted to be president for 20 more years, and wasn't going to let the constitution stop him.  what bothers me is congress going along with it, never slapping him back down to reality.  they should have learned by their obstructionist party of no stance during Obama, that the dems can (and have) do the same thing.  if they allow trump to not disclose his taxes, well now no president has to.  if they allow this kind of attack on innocent, legal, fair voters, then every election from here on out will go to the supreme court. 

the fact that none of them are coming forward publicly and acknowledging biden's win, and reprimanding trump for his actions, is way more disturbing to me than trump's behavior. 

Agree completely, I guess I could have worded it differently, but this is my primary concern, in addition to the 20 years of partisan build up that trained voters into actually voting for a man-toddler conman. There is no coming back from this. I doubt it will happen, but it would help if SCOTUS issued a unanimous per curium opinion stating that the state vs. state clause does not cover this type of case and that they cannot be brought ever again. Otherwise, this will happen every 4 years.

[Walden Ponderer 12639]

Just now, Sawbonz said:

How exactly would Cali secede? Are they going to purchase all federal property within their borders? What about citizens within their borders who don’t want to be California citizens? It’s stupid. 
 

Not to mention if congress ratified such an agreement why wouldn’t Mexico immediately annex the territory? Same with Texas 

It actually makes more sense for Cali/Ore/Wash than for anyone else. And no, they wouldn't purchase shit. They pay more to the rest of us than we do to them. No, they'd take it all, and say "Come and take it" and the Cialis swilling pantywaists in the Republican party would bitch and moan and do nothing. Kinda like what they did during the Vietnam War.

[Gatorubet 30099]

If Trump is declared the winner of the election without any evidence of large scale fraud, the legitimacy of the federal govt seriously comes into question.



Why pay your taxes if you don't believe they are the real govt. Why follow any law, other than the immediate fear of prison?

I don't think America is over with SCOTUS giving the election to Trump but its a big step to what could be considered the eventual decline of the US.

fify

['stache 21773]

3 minutes ago, Walden Ponderer said:

It actually makes more sense for Cali/Ore/Wash than for anyone else. And no, they wouldn't purchase shit. They pay more to the rest of us than we do to them. No, they'd take it all, and say "Come and take it" and the Cialis swilling pantywaists in the Republican party would bitch and moan and do nothing. Kinda like what they did during the Vietnam War.

Yup. Those issues arise with any secession. I would hope they would say "If you don't want to live here, GTFO." And likewise "If you want to come here, welcome." I'd strongly consider moving there to avoid the red nightmare the south would become.

Again, I'm not saying this is at all likely, but something is going to have to give soon if republicans refuse to acknowledge the legitimacy of the duly elected president over the next four years, and if they pull this shit anytime a democrat wins.

Edited December 10, 2020 by 'stache

[Sawbonz 27429]

3 minutes ago, Walden Ponderer said:

It actually makes more sense for Cali/Ore/Wash than for anyone else. And no, they wouldn't purchase shit. They pay more to the rest of us than we do to them. No, they'd take it all, and say "Come and take it" and the Cialis swilling pantywaists in the Republican party would bitch and moan and do nothing. Kinda like what they did during the Vietnam War.

I’m pretty sure Mexico would come and take it. Cali is going nowhere 

[hobbes2702 12826]

6 minutes ago, Sawbonz said:

How exactly would Cali secede? Are they going to purchase all federal property within their borders? What about citizens within their borders who don’t want to be California citizens? It’s stupid. 
 

Not to mention if congress ratified such an agreement why wouldn’t Mexico immediately annex the territory? Same with Texas 

If the votes don’t matter why would you think any of the other things matter? 

[hobbes2702 12826]

1 minute ago, Sawbonz said:

I’m pretty sure Mexico would come and take it. Cali is going nowhere 

What strength do you think Mexico has in this situation lol?

['stache 21773]

1 minute ago, Sawbonz said:

I’m pretty sure Mexico would come and take it. Cali is going nowhere 

Lol, how exactly would that happen? California would secede as it's own republic. Mexico would probably sit on the sidelines and be nice because they'll need good diplomatic relationships with the new California if it were independent. 

[BearSchlong 8077]

So we're going to get a one sentence declination from the scotus, right?

[Sawbonz 27429]

Just now, hobbes2702 said:

What strength do you think Mexico has in this situation lol?

Well in the already incredibly unlikely scenario laid out where Cali secedes and the federal govt just stands idly by, y’all think it’s unreasonable for Mexico to reassert historic rights? Ok I guess 

[closetohumping 17401]

Not sure if this has been mentioned or if this is the correct thread but is it outlandish that Texas is suing the battleground states?

[Sbbruin 21734]

Are we really having a secession discussion?  There isn't one chance in one quadrillion to the 4th power that would ever happen.

[closetohumping 17401]

3 minutes ago, 'stache said:

Lol, how exactly would that happen? California would secede as it's own republic. Mexico would probably sit on the sidelines and be nice because they'll need good diplomatic relationships with the new California if it were independent. 

California would still have the 5th largest economy in the world

[BehoId, The Underminer! 11668]

Just now, Sawbonz said:

Well in the already incredibly unlikely scenario laid out where Cali secedes and the federal govt just stands idly by, y’all think it’s unreasonable for Mexico to reassert historic rights? Ok I guess 

then the mayans will outflank them with their own historic claim

[thrillhammer 683]

3 minutes ago, closetohumping said:

Not sure if this has been mentioned or if this is the correct thread but is it outlandish that Texas is suing the battleground states?

not anymore outlandish than anything else that's been allowed to happen these past 4 years.

[hobbes2702 12826]

6 minutes ago, Sawbonz said:

Well in the already incredibly unlikely scenario laid out where Cali secedes and the federal govt just stands idly by, y’all think it’s unreasonable for Mexico to reassert historic rights? Ok I guess 

Yea I mean I guess they could try. I’m not sure why you think Mexico has more political or actual power than California. And what are they gonna invade California? Good luck 

[tx 3 putt 76372]

7 minutes ago, Sbbruin said:

Are we really having a secession discussion?  There isn't one chance in one quadrillion to the 4th power that would ever happen.

limbaugh is all succession talk the first 43 mins. he's not saying he's supporting it but there is plenty of talk out there. 

['stache 21773]

6 minutes ago, Sbbruin said:

Are we really having a secession discussion?  There isn't one chance in one quadrillion to the 4th power that would ever happen.

Just a thought experiment. Fact is what is currently happening is not sustainable. If republicans refuse to acknowledge Biden as president when he is inaugurated, the country is going to implode one way or another. Secession may not even be necessary. Everyone is on their own.

[bluto 4892]

Can’t help but laugh at the dumbassery behind “election should be decided on election night, it shouldn’t drag on for weeks”.... it gets called within the week of the election, prob shoulda been called a few days earlier. then maga drags it out for months.

[Sawbonz 27429]

7 minutes ago, BehoId, The Underminer! said:

then the mayans will outflank them with their own historic claim

[Sawbonz 27429]

3 minutes ago, hobbes2702 said:

Yea I mean I guess they could try. I’m not sure why you think Mexico has more political or actual power than California. And what are they gonna invade California? Good luck 

So you are totally fine with a long time ago in a galaxy far far away but draw the line at Vader being Luke’s and Leia’s father?