the trump election lawsuit thread of dominance

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[Js1 85602]

9 minutes ago, aggie08 said:

While articles like this are fun, I am naturally skeptical of their sourcing. While I have no doubt that Trump would stoop to this, I can't imagine that he'd have the call with a bunch of people in the room. And I doubt the leak would be from the SoS's office because, you know, he doesn't want to die.

 

[RDCanecutter 26476]

3 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

So much for the Lincoln Project packing it in after the election.

And yes, in light of Citizens United, corporate donors need to be smeared with these guys' shit at every opportunity.  Relentlessly.

If Tubervile gets them all to run out with arms linked, we'll be able to add Under Armour to the sponsor list.

[RDCanecutter 26476]

^^^I misspelled it by accident. But I think it was meant to be.

[Sawbonz 27596]

17 minutes ago, aggie08 said:

While articles like this are fun, I am naturally skeptical of their sourcing. While I have no doubt that Trump would stoop to this, I can't imagine that he'd have the call with a bunch of people in the room. And I doubt the leak would be from the SoS's office because, you know, he doesn't want to die.

WaPo says it has a recording of the call. Are you saying they are lying?

[LonghornSean 4024]

 

[hobbes2702 13078]

20 minutes ago, aggie08 said:

While articles like this are fun, I am naturally skeptical of their sourcing. While I have no doubt that Trump would stoop to this, I can't imagine that he'd have the call with a bunch of people in the room. And I doubt the leak would be from the SoS's office because, you know, he doesn't want to die.

Why would you doubt that he would have that call? He constantly says the quiet part out loud

[Sawbonz 27596]

He’s definitely Fredo 

[aggie08 21555]

14 minutes ago, Js1 said:

 

Yikes! My fault for not clicking far enough to get to the audio. That's crazy. How'd they even get that?

"In my opinion they've been shredding ballots. The people the I've been talking to are saying they're shredding ballots."

Man, if that's not classic Trump...

[Js1 85602]

Also classic projection. Always claim Democrats “find” ballots in Detroit and Philadelphia.

Now you have a GOP POTUS literally saying to find enough votes to erase his deficit 

[Js1 85602]

 

[Sawbonz 27596]

4 minutes ago, aggie08 said:

Yikes! My fault for not clicking far enough to get to the audio. That's crazy. How'd they even get that?

"In my opinion they've been shredding ballots. The people the I've been talking to are saying they're shredding ballots."

Man, if that's not classic Trump...

Obviously from the GA SOS

[conVINCEd 21469]

1 minute ago, Sawbonz said:

Obviously from the GA SOS

Deep Staters at NSA.

[TwiceHorn 31554]

I would suspect that information came directly from Bradley Raffensberger.  Trump has been on his last nerve for six weeks.

Bravo!

I am a little surprised that Dotard would still be after him when it's been clear for more than a month that Raffy isn't taking a dive for Donald.

Edited January 3, 2021 by TwiceHorn

[Whitewater Horn 968]

This shit is a long way past being funny.  This attempt to subvert democracy is getting into the territory of treason. When the dust settles, the players in this need to held accountable in some fashion.  When I reflect on my years of active duty, I never wanted to believe that our highest threat was our own obsession with party over all else. 

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3 minutes ago, Sawbonz said:

Obviously from the GA SOS

Yep, 99% sure it's from the SOS - besides Trump constantly working him over, and this is some revenge, Raffensberger knows Trump will go out there and say that Raffensberger said something he actually didn't.

[Francisco 2.0 32431]

Here's the full Post article.  I bolded one passage from Trump because he's simply lost.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-raffensperger-call-georgia-vote/2021/01/03/d45acb92-4dc4-11eb-bda4-615aaefd0555_story.html

 

Spoiler

President Trump urged fellow Republican Brad Raffensperger, the Georgia secretary of state, to “find” enough votes to overturn his defeat in an extraordinary one-hour phone call Saturday that election experts said raised legal questions.

 

The Washington Post obtained a recording of the conversation in which Trump alternately berated Raffensperger, tried to flatter him, begged him to act and threatened him with vague criminal consequences if the secretary of state refused to pursue his false claims, at one point warning that Raffensperger was taking “a big risk.”

Throughout the call, Raffensperger and his office’s general counsel rejected Trump’s assertions, explaining that the president is relying on debunked conspiracy theories and that President-elect Joe Biden’s 11,779-vote victory in Georgia was fair and accurate.

Trump dismissed their arguments.

“The people of Georgia are angry, the people in the country are angry,” he said. “And there’s nothing wrong with saying, you know, um, that you’ve recalculated.”

Raffensperger responded: “Well, Mr. President, the challenge that you have is, the data you have is wrong.”

At another point, Trump said: “So look. All I want to do is this. I just want to find 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have. Because we won the state.”

The rambling and at times incoherent conversation offered a remarkable glimpse of how consumed and desperate the president remains about his loss, unwilling or unable to let the matter go and still believing he can reverse the results in enough battleground states to remain in office.

“There’s no way I lost Georgia,” Trump said, a phrase he repeated again and again on the call. “There’s no way. We won by hundreds of thousands of votes.”

 

Several of his allies were on the line as he spoke, including White House Chief of Staff Mark Meadows and conservative lawyer Cleta Mitchell, a prominent GOP lawyer whose involvement with Trump’s efforts had not been previously known.

In a statement, Mitchell said Raffensperger’s office “has made many statements over the past two months that are simply not correct and everyone involved with the efforts on behalf of the President’s election challenge has said the same thing: show us your records on which you rely to make these statements that our numbers are wrong.”

The White House, the Trump campaign and Meadows did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

Raffensperger’s office declined to comment.

On Sunday, Trump tweeted that he had spoken to Raffensperger, saying the secretary of state was “unwilling, or unable, to answer questions such as the “ballots under table” scam, ballot destruction, out of state “voters”, dead voters, and more. He has no clue!”

 

Raffensperger responded with his own tweet: “Respectfully, President Trump: What you’re saying is not true.”

The pressure Trump put on Raffensperger is the latest example of his attempt to subvert the outcome of the Nov. 3 election through personal outreach to state Republican officials. He previously invited Michigan Republican state leaders to the White House, pressured Georgia Gov. Brian Kemp (R) in a call to try to replace that state’s electors and asked the speaker of the Pennsylvania House of Representatives to help reverse his loss in that state.

His call to Raffensperger came as scores of Republicans have pledged to challenge the electoral college’s vote for Biden when Congress convenes for a joint session on Wednesday. Republicans do not have the votes to successfully thwart Biden’s victory, but Trump has urged supporters to travel to Washington to protest the outcome, and state and federal officials are already bracing for clashes outside the Capitol.

During their conversation, Trump issued a vague threat to both Raffensperger and Ryan Germany, the secretary of state’s legal counsel, suggesting that if they don’t find that thousands of ballots in Fulton County have been illegally destroyed to block investigators — an allegation for which there is no evidence — they would be subject to criminal liability.

 

“That’s a criminal offense,” he said. “And you can’t let that happen. That’s a big risk to you and to Ryan, your lawyer.”

Trump also told Raffensperger that failure to act by Tuesday would jeopardize the political fortunes of David Perdue and Kelly Loeffler, Georgia’s two Republican senators whose fate in that day’s runoff elections will determine control of the U.S. Senate.

Trump said he plans to talk about the fraud on Monday, when he is scheduled to lead an election eve rally in Dalton, Ga. — a message that could further muddle the efforts of Republicans to get their voters out.

“You have a big election coming up and because of what you’ve done to the president — you know, the people of Georgia know that this was a scam,” Trump said. “Because of what you’ve done to the president, a lot of people aren’t going out to vote, and a lot of Republicans are going to vote negative, because they hate what you did to the president. Okay? They hate it. And they’re going to vote. And you would be respected, really respected, if this can be straightened out before the election.”

 

Trump’s conversation with Raffensperger put him in legally questionable territory, legal experts said. By exhorting the secretary of state to “find” votes and to deploy investigators who “want to find answers,” Trump appears to be encouraging him to doctor the election outcome in Georgia.

But experts said Trump’s clearer transgression is a moral one. Edward B. Foley, a law professor at Ohio State University, said that the legal questions are murky and would be subject to prosecutorial discretion. But he also emphasized that the call was “inappropriate and contemptible” and should prompt moral outrage.

“He was already tripping the emergency meter,” Foley said. “So we were at 12 on a scale of 1 to 10, and now we’re at 15.”

Throughout the call, Trump detailed an exhaustive list of disinformation and conspiracy theories to support his position. He claimed without evidence that he had won Georgia by at least a half-million votes. He floated a barrage of assertions that have been investigated and disproved: that thousands of dead people voted; that an Atlanta election worker scanned 18,000 forged ballots three times each and “100 percent” were for Biden; that thousands more voters living out of state came back to Georgia illegally just to vote in the election.

 

“So tell me, Brad, what are we going to do? We won the election, and it’s not fair to take it away from us like this,” Trump said. “And it’s going to be very costly in many ways. And I think you have to say that you’re going to reexamine it, and you can reexamine it, but reexamine it with people that want to find answers, not people who don’t want to find answers.”

Trump did most of the talking on the call. He was angry and impatient, calling Raffensperger a “child” and “either dishonest or incompetent” for not believing there was widespread ballot fraud in Atlanta — and twice calling himself a “schmuck” for endorsing Kemp, whom Trump holds in particular contempt for not embracing his claims of fraud.

“I can’t imagine he’s ever getting elected again, I’ll tell you that much right now,” he said.

He also took aim at Kemp’s 2018 opponent, Democrat Stacey Abrams, trying to shame Raffensperger with the idea that his refusal to embrace fraud has helped her and Democrats generally. “Stacey Abrams is laughing about you,” he said. “She’s going around saying, ‘These guys are dumber than a rock.’ What she’s done to this party is unbelievable, I tell you.”

The secretary of state repeatedly sought to push back, saying at one point, “Mr. President, the problem you have with social media, that — people can say anything.”

“Oh this isn’t social media,” Trump retorted. “This is Trump media. It’s not social media. It’s really not. It’s not social media. I don’t care about social media. I couldn’t care less.”

At another point, Trump claimed that votes were scanned three times: “Brad, why did they put the votes in three times? You know, they put ’em in three times.”

 

Raffensperger responded: “Mr. President, they did not. We did an audit of that and we proved conclusively that they were not scanned three times.”

Trump sounded at turns confused and meandering. At one point, he referred to Kemp as “George.” He tossed out several different figures for Biden’s margin of victory in Georgia and referred to the Senate runoff, which is Tuesday, as happening “tomorrow” and “Monday.”

His desperation was perhaps most pronounced during an exchange with Germany, Raffensperger’s general counsel, in which he openly begged for validation.

Trump: “Do you think it’s possible that they shredded ballots in Fulton County? ’Cause that’s what the rumor is. And also that Dominion took out machines. That Dominion is really moving fast to get rid of their, uh, machinery. Do you know anything about that? Because that’s illegal.”

Germany responded: “No, Dominion has not moved any machinery out of Fulton County.”

Trump: “But have they moved the inner parts of the machines and replaced them with other parts?”

Germany: “No.”

Trump: “Are you sure? Ryan?”

Germany: “I’m sure. I’m sure, Mr. President.”

It was clear from the call that Trump has surrounded himself with aides who have fed his false perceptions that the election was stolen. When he claimed that more than 5,000 ballots were cast in Georgia in the name of dead people, Raffensperger responded forcefully: “The actual number was two. Two. Two people that were dead that voted.”

But later, Meadows said, “I can promise you there are more than that.”

Another Trump lawyer on the call, Kurt Hilbert, accused Raffensperger’s office of refusing to turn over data to assess evidence of fraud, and also claimed awareness of at least 24,000 illegally cast ballots that would flip the result to Trump.

“It stands to reason that if the information is not forthcoming, there’s something to hide,” Hilbert said. “That’s the problem that we have.”

Reached by phone Sunday, Hilbert declined to comment.

In the end, Trump asked Germany to sit down with one of his attorneys to go over the allegations. Germany agreed.

Yet Trump also recognized that he was failing to persuade Raffensperger or Germany of anything, saying toward the end, “I know this phone call is going nowhere.”

But he continued to make his case in repetitive fashion, until finally, after more than an hour, Raffensperger put an end to the conversation: “Thank you, President Trump, for your time.”

 

Edited January 3, 2021 by Francisco 2.0

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I hope Trump does everything he can tomorrow night to depress the vote in Georgia on Tuesday.

[aggie08 21555]

5 minutes ago, Sawbonz said:

Obviously from the GA SOS

That is a brave fucking dude.

[Francisco 2.0 32431]

6 minutes ago, Sawbonz said:

Obviously from the GA SOS

Or his legal counsel.  

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1 minute ago, aggie08 said:

That is a brave fucking dude.

I think he knows he's not getting elected again.

[immamac 43175]

How is this not treason?

[Francisco 2.0 32431]

Just now, atomheartbevo said:

I think he knows he's not getting elected again.

Sadly, the bigger goal here is he and his family just staying alive.

[Pato del Muerto 52616]

I’m confused. If Fulton county uses dominion electronic ballots, how are they shredding ballots?

[Js1 85602]

3 minutes ago, immamac said:

How is this not treason?

It is. 100%. 

Jan 20 can’t come soon enough. Then something may get done 

[TwiceHorn 31554]

3 minutes ago, immamac said:

How is this not treason?

I'll post it again.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2381

Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.

[Horn Under a Bad Sign 20506]

1 hour ago, Sawbonz said:

He’s going to throw the ga sos in jail if he doesn’t find him his votes

 

Oh best part of article: at his ga rally tomorrow he’s going to encourage his supporters not to vote in the runoff 

 

I love the smell of desperation in the morning. Smells like ... victory. 

[SaucyJack 3504]

22 minutes ago, aggie08 said:

Yikes! My fault for not clicking far enough to get to the audio. That's crazy. How'd they even get that?

"In my opinion they've been shredding ballots. The people the I've been talking to are saying they're shredding ballots."

Man, if that's not classic Trump...

 

17 minutes ago, Sawbonz said:

Obviously from the GA SOS

It is a public record if GA SOS recorded it.  You too can make a request of GA SOS for the recording and get their official response and/or the recording.

[Js1 85602]

9 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

I'll post it again.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2381

Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.

The Republican Party is an enemy of America 

[Dr. Teeth 5845]

Did someone on this thread say they doubt Trump would do something this stupid? 

[burntorangebongos 10752]

Extortion for sure. We can't for the sake of democracy let this lack of morality stand. He is corrupt and has corrupted the executive branch in a way that will take more than Biden's presidency to fix. 

[RDCanecutter 26476]

19 minutes ago, immamac said:

How is this not treason?

The internet tells me that the founding fathers limited treason to this:

"Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court."

So just trying to cheat on an election, while definitely deserving an ass-whooping, doesn't get you the firing squad.

(No representation is made that RDCanecutter is less of a lawyer than any other person who also is not a lawyer.)

[Edit: but he is slow.]

Edited January 3, 2021 by RDCanecutter

[RDCanecutter 26476]

27 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Also classic projection. Always claim Democrats “find” ballots in Detroit and Philadelphia.

Now you have a GOP POTUS literally saying to find enough votes to erase his deficit 

Aw come on. It's not like he asked them to find that many votes...

[jimmyjazz 46225]

1 hour ago, aggie08 said:

While articles like this are fun, I am naturally skeptical of their sourcing. While I have no doubt that Trump would stoop to this, I can't imagine that he'd have the call with a bunch of people in the room. And I doubt the leak would be from the SoS's office because, you know, he doesn't want to die.

I am quite certain it's not a fake recording.  Its genesis may be puzzling, but I'm comfortable assuming it's real.

[Sawbonz 27596]

25 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

I'll post it again.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2381

Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.

So as soon as the proud boys, in response to his “storm” tweet, clash w the national guard troops

 

[TXSG8R 3362]

You know Trump was genuinely confused that the call wasn't working.
 

“This shit has worked with the republicans in DC for 4 years, does this redneck just not understand what I’m asking for?” 

[JimmyJames 12271]

32 minutes ago, immamac said:

How is this not treason?

It is. And trump should be hanged. 

[JimmyJames 12271]

16 minutes ago, RDCanecutter said:

The internet tells me that the founding fathers limited treason to this:

"Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court."

So just trying to cheat on an election, while definitely deserving an ass-whooping, doesn't get you the firing squad.

(No representation is made that RDCanecutter is less of a lawyer than any other person who also is not a lawyer.)

[Edit: but he is slow.]

Trump is a Russian agent hell bent on destroying America from within at their bidding. He deserves to be hanged. 

[JimmyJames 12271]

22 minutes ago, Js1 said:

The Republican Party is an enemy of America 

The Republican Party has no platform, believes in nothing, and is actively attempting to destroy america from within. 

[Sawbonz 27596]

Soon to be ex partner I’m guessing

[Js1 85602]

When Liz f’n Cheney is the voice of reason

 

[Sawbonz 27596]

2 minutes ago, JimmyJames said:

The Republican Party has no platform, believes in nothing, and is actively attempting to destroy america from within. 

Nihilists? Fuck me. I mean say what you want about the tenets of National Socialism Dude. At least it’s an ethos 

[Neonmoon 38130]

It is treason. Where are the adults? Someone has to stop this shit. Anyone 

[Mrs Whiggins 13050]

1 minute ago, Neonmoon said:

It is treason. Where are the adults? Someone has to stop this shit. Anyone 

Perhaps I am wrong, but I believe @TwiceHorn once outlined the differences between treason and sedition; wouldn't this be more along the lines of the latter?

Quote

Sedition: Sedition is overt conduct, such as speech and organization, that tends toward rebellion against the established order. Sedition often includes subversion of a constitution and incitement of discontent toward, or rebellion against, established authority. (per wiki)

Perhaps like planning a seditious conspiracy or such like?

[Mrs Whiggins 13050]

Oh, and someone named Cleta being Trump's lawyer is so very on brand at this moment in time. Is her legal firm Kirkland's Home Furnishings and Ellis?

[Francisco 2.0 32431]

9 minutes ago, Sawbonz said:

Soon to be ex partner I’m guessing

 

Who here had a Karen for counsel to the President on the bingo chart.

 

[Whitewater Horn 968]

Just now, Mrs Whiggins said:

Oh, and someone named Cleta being Trump's lawyer is so very on brand at this moment in time. Is her legal firm Kirkland's Home Furnishings and Ellis?

Her daddy’s name HAS to be Cletus. I never realized Cleta was the feminine of Cletus. 

[Dr. Teeth 5845]

8 minutes ago, Neonmoon said:

It is treason. Where are the adults? Someone has to stop this shit. Anyone 

We are the adults. The people of this country who vote are supposed to be the adults. Hence the voting age. Yet, we choose this. And unless something crazy happens on the 6th, we likely will have this for at least two more years.  As long as at least 47% of this country vote for a party for no reason other than the letter next to the name, it won’t change. 
 

 

[Gil Bang 26048]

I think the tape was released by somebody in the White House. It sounds like the recording was made on that end. The Georgia boys are clearly on the phone and it sounds like dotard is not on the phone, meaning we’re hearing his voice in a microphone. It doesn’t sound like it’s coming over phone lines

[Jive Turkey 12648]

1 hour ago, aggie08 said:

While articles like this are fun, I am naturally skeptical of their sourcing. While I have no doubt that Trump would stoop to this, I can't imagine that he'd have the call with a bunch of people in the room. And I doubt the leak would be from the SoS's office because, you know, he doesn't want to die.

 

1 hour ago, aggie08 said:

That is a brave fucking dude.

it's kinda shocking how you normalize Trump's behavior.

the Washington Post runs this story and you immediately take Trump's position that it's likely fake.  you don't inherently believe the sourcing.  

and then you casual agree that the Georgia SoS is likely in physical danger for disagreeing with Trump's lunatic fringe conspiracy theory.

this shit makes the Nixon Watergate tapes look like an innocent call between Meemaw and her granddaughter.  this is probably the most impeachable action Trump has ever taken, and you brush it off as fake news and natural threats of violence to a government official.

Edited January 3, 2021 by Jive Turkey