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7 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

Oh sweet baby Jesus.

Tell me all about the Bible, whore of Babylon.

If a believer is going to go down the mark of the beast eschatology path, they kind of have to deal with all the warnings to believers about following false teachers, giving up truth for mythology, tickling ears, chasing signs and wonders, etc. The sobering words that are wrapped up in that particular reading contrast pretty starkly with the “God’s gonna smite MY enemies”/“I’m so persecuted”/ “I’m the hero of the Bible” self-centered mindset that we see here. If God always seems to agree with you, then you’re worshiping yourself.

I know we can write her off as a ranting crazy person, but this mindset is running pretty rampant. The problem isn’t that she’s saying insane things, it’s that the insane things she says are so normal.

Years ago, I first noticed the game of faith chicken that goes on in some churches. The more outlandish and unbelievable the claim expressed, the greater the sign of faith and thus the more holy it is. It leads to this madness.

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11 hours ago, Mole said:

If a believer is going to go down the mark of the beast eschatology path, they kind of have to deal with all the warnings to believers about following false teachers, giving up truth for mythology, tickling ears, chasing signs and wonders, etc. The sobering words that are wrapped up in that particular reading contrast pretty starkly with the “God’s gonna smite MY enemies”/“I’m so persecuted”/ “I’m the hero of the Bible” self-centered mindset that we see here. If God always seems to agree with you, then you’re worshiping yourself.

I know we can write her off as a ranting crazy person, but this mindset is running pretty rampant. The problem isn’t that she’s saying insane things, it’s that the insane things she says are so normal.

Years ago, I first noticed the game of faith chicken that goes on in some churches. The more outlandish and unbelievable the claim expressed, the greater the sign of faith and thus the more holy it is. It leads to this madness.

Let us proclaim the mystery of faith

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12 hours ago, henrygandorf said:

i mean, say what you like about the tenets of democrat socialist communist fascism, dude, at least it’s an ethos. 

Yeah, but wait 'til the socialist democrats communist front of fascism breaks off and starts their own sect.  Monty Python is so prolific 

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16 hours ago, Gil Bang said:

 

I mean I’ve seen quite a few baseball players strike out before. I’ve seen quite a few hit home runs and start strutting around in celebration of same.

But striking out that badly and strutting around as if a home run was hit? That’s an art that only brainless shitheads like Sidney Powell could master.

16 hours ago, Gil Bang said:

I'd still fuck her. 

Got a thing for the clap?

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9 minutes ago, hpslugga said:

I mean I’ve seen quite a few baseball players strike out before. I’ve seen quite a few hit home runs and start strutting around in celebration of same.

But striking out that badly and strutting around as if a home run was hit? That’s an art that only brainless shitheads like Sidney Powell could master.

Got a thing for the clap?

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2 hours ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Lindell TV? 
 

who is paying for that?

Well, you know how there's crepe money?  

There's also pillow money.  Look around next time you're a busy stoplight.  See all those mattress stores?  What do you think is gonna go on top of all those mattresses?  That's right...pillows. 

There's always money in the pillow stand. 

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5 minutes ago, Lobo said:

Well, you know how there's crepe money?  

There's also pillow money.  Look around next time you're a busy stoplight.  See all those mattress stores?  What do you think is gonna go on top of all those mattresses?  That's right...pillows. 

There's always money in the pillow stand. 

My wife is convinced all mattress stores are drug fronts. 

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27 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

My wife is convinced all mattress stores are drug fronts. 

You sometimes see them in places where the rent has to be pretty decent, and you start doing the math on how many mattresses they have to move a month to stay profitable, and how many times you've seen the stores devoid of customers...yeah, it's odd.

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4 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

You sometimes see them in places where the rent has to be pretty decent, and you start doing the math on how many mattresses they have to move a month to stay profitable, and how many times you've seen the stores devoid of customers...yeah, it's odd.

Exactly. When you consider they say an average mattress lasts 8 years and then how many people go waaaay past that, it’s like, how are people buying that many mattresses?!?

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1 minute ago, Biff Tannen said:

Exactly. When you consider they say an average mattress lasts 8 years and then how many people go waaaay past that, it’s like, how are people buying that many mattresses?!?

I had to spend a couple of minutes looking, because it's weird.

https://www.ibisworld.com/industry-statistics/number-of-businesses/bed-mattress-stores-united-states/

(IBISWorld is a marketing research company that's been around since the early 70s).

13,000 stores in the US (not counting IKEA, Amazon, etc.) and supposedly doing around $13 - $14 billion in business.

Over the last 5 years, they claim almost 3% grown in the number of stores.

Mattress Firm has 2,600 locations.

One of the first articles I found on it mentioned that they aren't money-laundering fronts, but just have low overhead, and this talks a bit about it (https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-science-behind-behavior/201509/why-are-there-so-many-mattress-stores-in-america):

  • Stock is not carried in the stores, but shipped from local/regional warehouses
  • Only one or two employees are needed in total.
  • Mattresses have a markup approaching %50
  • A lot of stores only need to sell 15-20 mattresses a month to break even
  • Americans like to buy mattresses in person
  • Mattress chains will keep unprofitable stores going because it's 24/7 advertising, even when closed (hence why they are brightly lit at night), and sees more traffic than a lot of billboards.

So there's logical explanations, but it is weird.

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I had to spend a couple of minutes looking, because it's weird.
https://www.ibisworld.com/industry-statistics/number-of-businesses/bed-mattress-stores-united-states/
(IBISWorld is a marketing research company that's been around since the early 70s).
13,000 stores in the US (not counting IKEA, Amazon, etc.) and supposedly doing around $13 - $14 billion in business.
Over the last 5 years, they claim almost 3% grown in the number of stores.
Mattress Firm has 2,600 locations.
One of the first articles I found on it mentioned that they aren't money-laundering fronts, but just have low overhead, and this talks a bit about it (https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-science-behind-behavior/201509/why-are-there-so-many-mattress-stores-in-america):
  • Stock is not carried in the stores, but shipped from local/regional warehouses
  • Only one or two employees are needed in total.
  • Mattresses have a markup approaching %50
  • A lot of stores only need to sell 15-20 mattresses a month to break even
  • Americans like to buy mattresses in person
  • Mattress chains will keep unprofitable stores going because it's 24/7 advertising, even when closed (hence why they are brightly lit at night), and sees more traffic than a lot of billboards.
So there's logical explanations, but it is weird.

I’m sure I’ve mentioned on this board or maybe even thread but friend of mine owns an independent mattress store in a small but semi affluent northern town. He had his biz loan paid off in full within 15 months and is looking to open another couple locations. The markup, as mentioned above, is absurd. Combine the natural profit plus ‘craft’ style (ya I said it) mattress store with a good sales guy, big money. Bigly.
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1 minute ago, bluto said:


I’m sure I’ve mentioned on this board or maybe even thread but friend of mine owns an independent mattress store in a small but semi affluent northern town. He had his biz loan paid off in full within 15 months and is looking to open another couple locations. The markup, as mentioned above, is absurd. Combine the natural profit plus ‘craft’ style (ya I said it) mattress store with a good sales guy, big money. Bigly.

And you don't need much for the store - literally a large, well-lit room, with a nicely painted/decorated walls, a concrete floor, and that's it.  There's no magical layout expertise  and infrastructure like an Apple Store or something, outside of where you place the best (most expensive) mattresses.

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7 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

I had to spend a couple of minutes looking, because it's weird.

https://www.ibisworld.com/industry-statistics/number-of-businesses/bed-mattress-stores-united-states/

(IBISWorld is a marketing research company that's been around since the early 70s).

13,000 stores in the US (not counting IKEA, Amazon, etc.) and supposedly doing around $13 - $14 billion in business.

Over the last 5 years, they claim almost 3% grown in the number of stores.

Mattress Firm has 2,600 locations.

One of the first articles I found on it mentioned that they aren't money-laundering fronts, but just have low overhead, and this talks a bit about it (https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-science-behind-behavior/201509/why-are-there-so-many-mattress-stores-in-america😞

  • Stock is not carried in the stores, but shipped from local/regional warehouses
  • Only one or two employees are needed in total.
  • Mattresses have a markup approaching %50
  • A lot of stores only need to sell 15-20 mattresses a month to break even
  • Americans like to buy mattresses in person
  • Mattress chains will keep unprofitable stores going because it's 24/7 advertising, even when closed (hence why they are brightly lit at night), and sees more traffic than a lot of billboards.

So there's logical explanations, but it is weird.

Sounds like the same reason clubs on sixth street back in the 90s had no cover and dollar shots and long necks so long as you paid in cash.

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On 7/31/2021 at 11:17 PM, Mole said:

If God always seems to agree with you, then you’re worshiping yourself.

This needs to be highlighted in big bold letters. This is a gigantic part of the mindset of the evangelicals that support the GQP as well as the wildly erroneous conspiracy theories that are damaging the minds of millions upon millions of our fellow citizens. We have people who think they are some kind of modern day crusaders. It is just sad to watch this play out, but we have to as a society still try to help the folks that we are able to. 
 

Whether you have any belief in God does not much matter in helping people. I do believe and know from my own life that God has taken me on a route through life that isn’t exactly the one I wanted, but it’s the one I need. The people many of us are going to cross paths with that believe, but also support the GQP, think God is with them and support their actions. The psychosis of these people is just amazing to witness. Just help whatever person you can and if they listen, great. If not at least you tried to steer someone back from the brink of sheer madness. 

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On 7/31/2021 at 10:38 PM, henrygandorf said:

i mean, say what you like about the tenets of democrat socialist communist fascism, dude, at least it’s an ethos. 

But they don't know the meanings of socialism, communism or fascism.  They're only looking to be told a definition that they can agree with.  They subscribe to the capitalist teachings of Jesus.  

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22 hours ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Lindell TV? 
 

who is paying for that?

In the age of laptop cameras, green screens and cheap/free streaming software, you can create a professional interview show within minutes.  You can make it look decent for next to nothing, and I bet you can duplicate CNN or Fox' studios for a few thousand in setup costs.

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On 7/31/2021 at 2:18 PM, HenryJames said:

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The "mark of the beast" comment hit me. My BIL is a MAGA/Trump idiot who has refused to this point to get vaccinated. My wife is vaxxed as are both of their parents. Wife runs her dad's dental practice. At any rate, my in-laws have been battling health issues the past month and finally they began seriously grilling my BIL why he won't get vaccinated. He's saying he won't do it because of religious reasons, etc.

He goes to church every week (Preston Hollow Presbyterian -- I know they're not teaching this shit) and sits in the same spot in the same pew. I'm sure he gives like $10 but he does nothing else I would construe as being religious or civic-minded. He called his body a "temple" (never mind that he's overweight, eats poorly and binge-drinks Dos Equis) and called the vaccine "the mark of the beast." I immediately starting looking around to see if the Proud Boys or Three Percenters had a religious bent because BIL is big into guns/NRA/hunting/MAGA shit. Didn't find anything really but this catches my eye because of the "mark of the beast" phrase.

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31 minutes ago, C-Man said:

He called his body a "temple" (never mind that he's overweight, eats poorly and binge-drinks Dos Equis)

 

28 minutes ago, OneOfTheOutOfFocusGuys said:

that checks out

Yup- a lotta churches look to expand their territory, and often use Mexican labor to do so.

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On 8/2/2021 at 12:55 PM, C-Man said:

He called his body a "temple" (never mind that he's overweight, eats poorly and binge-drinks Dos Equis) and called the vaccine "the mark of the beast." I immediately starting looking around to see if the Proud Boys or Three Percenters had a religious bent because BIL is big into guns/NRA/hunting/MAGA shit. Didn't find anything really but this catches my eye because of the "mark of the beast" phrase.

These people couldn't handle Chili's going to carry-out or having to go without a haircut for a few months.

I'm pretty sure a good old-fashioned cholera outbreak would kill most of them.

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On 8/2/2021 at 10:27 AM, Nice Guy Eddie said:

In the age of laptop cameras, green screens and cheap/free streaming software, you can create a professional interview show within minutes.  You can make it look decent for next to nothing, and I bet you can duplicate CNN or Fox' studios for a few thousand in setup costs.

Still can't believe there isn't a paid/Patreon TrumpTV setup going on.

That's 10s of millions a month that's being left on the stable.  Shit, I bet at least 2 or 3 million Trumpkins would subscribe for $10 a month, and the operating expenses would be in the tens of thousands of dollars a month.

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On 8/2/2021 at 1:33 PM, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

my guess is booze and pills. maybe a little psychotic disorder in there for good measure

It could be anything by now.  The guy is, unfortunately, a hardshell alcoholic.  God only knows what other substances he may have gotten into, or if he is at the stage at which Wernicke-Korsakoff Syndrome, also felicitously known as "wet brain," kicks in.

In addition to general cognitive and physical impairment, "confabulation," or the remembering of fictitious events as real, is a major symptom.

Don't fuck around too much with alcohol.  If you do fuck around and start to find out, get help.  It's right here on the board.

As contemptible as some of the stuff he has said may be, he should be an object of pity.

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Lawyas sanctioned in Colorado. Sanctions under Rule 11, inherent authority and 18 usc 1927

While Plaintiffs’ counsel insist that the lawsuit was not intended to challenge the
election or reverse the results, the effect of the allegations and relief sought would be to
sow doubt over the legitimacy of the Biden presidency and the mechanisms of
American democracy (the actual systems of voting) in numerous states.
In short, this was no slip-and-fall at the local grocery store. Albeit disorganized
and fantastical, the Complaint’s allegations are extraordinarily serious and, if accepted
as true by large numbers of people, are the stuff of which violent insurrections are
made.

 

The Complaint did seek, among other things, an injunction barring “any further
unconstitutional behavior,” id. at 81, and “permanent injunctive relief to remedy the
ongoing effects of Defendants’ unconstitutional conduct.” Id. at 83. But the requested
injunctions aside, the main focus of the suit, at least as emphasized by Plaintiffs’
counsel in argument, was a demand for a massive amount of money, likely greater than
any money damage award in American history. Seeking a “nominal amount of $1,000
per registered voter,” Plaintiffs asked for a total $160 billion for the putative 160-millionperson
Plaintiff class. Dkt. #1 at 82. This figure is greater than the annual GDP of
Hungary (lulz)

 

 

The personal affidavits Plaintiffs attached to the original Complaint recount the
generalized fear and suspicion that the “system” is rigged, and a sense that American
democracy no longer works. The affidavits are notable only in demonstrating no
firsthand knowledge by any Plaintiff of any election fraud, misconduct, or malfeasance.

Instead, Plaintiffs’ affidavits are replete with conclusory statements about what must
have happened during the election and Plaintiffs’ “beliefs” that the election was
corrupted, presumably based on rumors, innuendo, and unverified and questionable
media reports.

For example, the affidavit of Amie Trapp, a resident of Alabama, recites,
It is obvious our federal election has been tampered with and compromised
by Dominion Voting Systems Inc, along with the founder of Facebook, Mark
Zuckerberg, his wife Priscilla Chan, and many others acting as
governors/secretaries of state across the country. Every day, we, as a
country, find out more information about this corrupt system, Dominion, and
the government officials who allow it.
Dkt. #1-9 at 3, ¶¶ 7–8. Not stated is any nonconclusory basis for Ms. Trapp to believe
this.

 

The affidavit of Plaintiff Larry D. Cook of California presents similarly
unconvincing allegations of election fraud, based solely on his belief (although Mr. Cook
seems more distressed about mandatory vaccinations and the removal by Facebook of
his posts related to vaccines and QAnon):
I believe that there was widespread vote fraud and manipulation during the
2020 Presidential Election and as such, this topic, along with the vaccination
topic, along with the Qanon topic, as well as other ‘controversial topics,’
should not be censored, ‘fact checked,’ deleted and/or result in a ban or
permanent account deletion just because the topic at hand challenges the
official narrative as presented in mainstream media, the Democrat Party,

the liability-free vaccine industry and other domestic and foreign controlling
interests.
Dkt. #1-6 at 7, ¶ 29. Mr. Cook provides no personal knowledge about any election fraud
or impropriety.

 

 

 

Trump's own inanities weigh in favor of sanctions. Pretty excoriating of the BS world we live in.

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In considering the circumstances of this case, the Court must also consider that
against the backdrop of the numerous failed lawsuits alleging election illegality was an
ominous refusal by the losing candidate or his supporters to concede defeat publicly,
even weeks after the election. This refusal was linked arm-in-arm with the repeated and
widespread assertions that the election was “rigged” or “stolen.” These post-election
claims had been foreshadowed by the former President via Twitter many months in
advance of the election. See William Cummings, Joey Garrison, and Jim Sergent, By
the Numbers: President Donald Trump’s Failed Efforts to Overturn the Election,” USA
TODAY (Jan. 6. 2021), https://www.usatoday.com/in-depth/news/politics/elections/2021/
01/06/trumps-failed-efforts-overturn-election-numbers/4130307001/ (recounting former
President Trump’s tweets, from as early as May 2020, decrying the use of mail-in
ballots and declaring “it will be the greatest Rigged Election in history . . . .Trying to use
Covid for this scam”).
Post-election, the former President and his supporters’ claims of the vote being
“stolen” or “rigged” resulted in, among other things, serious threats to the safety of both
public election officials and private employees of Dominion. See, e.g., Fredreka
Schouten and Kelly Mena, Falsehoods and Death Threats Haunt Local Election
Workers Weeks After Capitol Siege, CNN Politics (Feb. 13. 2021), https://
www.cnn.com/2021/02/13/politics/threats-still-haunt-election-officials/index.html
(“Around the country, election supervisors and the rank-and-file workers who helped
carry out the nuts and bolts of American democracy still are reeling from the barrage of
threats and the flood of falsehoods they had to navigate as they helped a record
number of people cast ballots in a pandemic.”); Brian Snyder, Trump-Inspired Death

Threats Are Terrorizing Election Workers, Reuters (June 11, 2021), https://
www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-trump-georgia-threats/ (describing
election officials and their families “living with threats of hanging, firing squads, torture
and bomb blasts” and how the associated campaign of fear is threatening the U.S.
electoral system); Bente Birkeland and Miles Parks, The Toll of Conspiracy Theories: a
Voting Security Expert Lives in Hiding, NPR Morning Edition (Dec. 23. 2020), https://
www.npr.org/2020/12/23/948828692/the-toll-of-conspiracy-theories-a-voting-securityexpert-
lives-in-hiding (describing how the overseer of Dominion’s product strategy and
security now lives in hiding because of threats generated by narratives about the
election); Emily Czachor, Dominion Voting Systems Employees Threatened, Including
Bounty Placed On One Worker, Amid Election Controversy, Newsweek (Nov. 25. 2020),
https://www.newsweek.com/dominion-voting-systems-employees-threatened-includingbounty-
placed-one-worker-amid-election-1550270 (stating that Dominion employees
“are facing extensive harassment as unsubstantiated allegations of fraudulent election
activity continue to circulate”).
The former President’s pre- and post-election statements regarding the
purportedly “stolen” election also raised a substantial doubt about the continuation of
what arguably is the United States’ greatest political tradition—the unbroken twocentury
ritual of the peaceful transfer of power. See Michael Crowley, Trump Won’t
Commit to ‘Peaceful’ Post-election Transfer of Power, N.Y. Times (Sept. 23, 2020),
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/23/us/politics/trump-power-transfer-2020-
election.html. The peaceful transition of Presidential power has been described as “the
ultimate expression of the rule of law and of a society governed by the law, not by

individual rulers” as well as George Washington’s “greatest contribution to the American
political tradition.” Q&A between Daniel I. Weiner and Tim Lau, Why the Presidential
Transition Process Matters, Brennan Center for Justice (Nov. 13, 2020), https://
www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/why-presidential-transition-processmatters.
Horrifyingly, that two-century tradition arguably came to an end on January 6,
2021, when the United States Capitol was stormed during a violent attack against the
United States Congress, with a mob attempting to overturn President Trump’s defeat by
disrupting the joint session of Congress assembled to formalize Joe Biden’s victory. The
Capitol complex was locked down and lawmakers and staff were evacuated while
rioters occupied and vandalized the building for several hours. People died. “This was a
singular and chilling event in U.S. history, raising legitimate concern about the
security—not only of the Capitol building—but of our democracy itself.” United States v.
Cua, No. 21-107 (RDM), 2021 WL 918255, at *3 (D.D.C. Mar. 10, 2021); see also
United States v. Munchel, 991 F.3d 1273, 1284 (D.C. Cir. 2021) (“It cannot be gainsaid
that the violent breach of the Capitol on January 6 was a grave danger to our
democracy . . . .”).
Given the volatile political atmosphere and highly disputed contentions
surrounding the election both before and after January 6, 2021, circumstances
mandated that Plaintiffs’ counsel perform heightened due diligence, research, and
investigation before repeating in publicly filed documents the inflammatory, indisputably
damaging, and potentially violence-provoking assertions about the election having been
rigged or stolen. See Proposed Amended Compl., filed March 15, 2021, five weeks after

the assault on the Capitol, Dkt. #48-1 at 74, ¶ 579 (repeating former President Trump’s
November 12, 2020 Tweet stating: “DOMINION DELETED 2.7 MILLION TRUMP
VOTES NATIONWIDE. DATA ANALYSIS FINDS 221,000 PENNSYLVANIA VOTES
SWITCHED FROM PRESIDENT TRUMP TO BIDEN. 941,000 TRUMP VOTES
DELETED. STATES USING DOMINION VOTING SYSTEMS SWITCHED 435,000
VOTES FROM TRUMP TO BIDEN.”) (capitalization in original).
Even today, the judges of the District of Columbia, who are presently making
detention decisions about alleged insurrectionists, are keeping people in jail precisely
because of the continued propagation of evidence-lacking allegations of election fraud
that spawned the insurrection to begin with. See United States v. Meredith, Crim. No.
21-0159 (SBJ), Dkt. #41 at 24 (D.D.C. May 26, 2021) (detaining defendant and listing
as one basis for decision that “[t]he steady drumbeat that inspired defendant to take up
arms has not faded away; six months later, the canard that the election was stolen is
being repeated daily on major news outlets and from the corridors of power in state and
federal government, not to mention the near-daily fulminations of the former
President.”); United States v. Whitton, No. 21-cr-35-5, 2021 WL 1546931, at *12 (D.D.C.
Apr. 20, 2021) (detaining defendant in part because “the Court is not convinced that
dissatisfaction and concern about the legitimacy of the election results has dissipated
for all Americans” and citing former President Trump’s “forceful public comments about
the ‘stolen election,’ chastising individuals who did not reject the supposedly illegitimate
results that put the current administration in place”); United States v. Dresch, Crim. No.
21-0071 (ABJ), 2021 WL 2453166, at *8 (D.D.C. May 27, 2021) (detaining defendant in
part “given that his singular source of information, [former President Trump], continues

to propagate the lie that inspired the attack on a near daily basis. And the anger
surrounding the false accusation continues to be stoked by multiple media outlets as
well as the state and federal party leaders who are intent on censuring those who dare
to challenge the former President’s version of events”) (citation omitted).
As described below, under these circumstances, Plaintiffs’ counsel’s
investigation was deficient and not reasonable.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/colorado-sanctions-trump-lawsuit/2021/08/04/704dec92-f53a-11eb-a49b-d96f2dac0942_story.html

 

Magistrate judge tho.

 

 

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Lulz:

 

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Asked why they included the unverified and hotly disputed allegation from former
President Trump’s Tweet about “Dominion deleting 2.7 million trump votes nationwide.”
see Dkt. #1 at 49, ¶ 248, Mr. Fielder’s only justification was that the source was the
“President of the United States.” See July 16, 2021 Hr’g Tr. 31:8–16, Dkt. #133. This
allegation was included again in the proposed Amended Complaint, which was filed five
weeks after the January 6, 2021 Capitol riot. See Dkt. #48-1 at 74, ¶ 579. Under the
circumstances of this case, with this election, with this insurrection, with the on-going
threats to election officials and company employees, including in a federal filing as if it
were true such an inflammatory and damaging allegation, without any attempt at
verification, merely because the out-going President had said it, was reckless and did
not represent a reasonable inquiry under the circumstances.

 

You trusted the President??  This President??  That's a paddlin'.

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