the trump election lawsuit thread of dominance

[SameSame 1752]

28 minutes ago, South Austin said:

Wait, did we finally get Urban Meyer?!?!?

Close, we got Urban Meyered.

[henrygandorf 29225]

16 minutes ago, Sawbonz said:

There is a huge acceleration in the rate of decline in health and activity after age 75, and morbid obesity greatly exacerbates it. These patients also lose “reserve” ie the ability to bounce back after illness or injury. He will need a walker in the near future and is much too vain to use one. I see a series of falls and eventually a broken hip and he’s done

[SameSame 1752]

fart noises

Edited December 11, 2020 by SameSame
my ass

[washparkhorn 9973]

1 hour ago, tx 3 putt said:

Days like today, it’s pure gold 

 

1 hour ago, RDCanecutter said:

Plus, if you want to understand the hive mind, you gotta listen to the bees buzz.

Thank you for your service in keeping up with limbaugh. I will skim Tucker, Ingraham and Levin to hear about the Trump Palace Intrigue. They are out there openly calling to overturn the election - something they wailed about in the last four years. Tough to spin what is happening. History will not look on them kindly. 

[henrygandorf 29225]

1 minute ago, washparkhorn said:

History will not look on them kindly. 

by whom?

~half the country thinks they're right.

this battle was fought and lost the moment "fake news" became a thing.

[jimmyjazz 47183]

23 years ago I drove up to Texas Motor Speedway to catch the Rolling Stones on their "Bridges to Babylon" tour.  I was very confident that would be my last chance to see the band.

2020:

[washparkhorn 9973]

31 minutes ago, immamac said:

no, the memes are strong though. people are actually kinda happy instead of just super pissed off. 

Patience. mammoth deal while the pandemic is climaxing and Texas (dammit) is seeking to overturn a Presidential election. patience. moving parts.

And it has been fun over there, but it will all blow up over "pigs in the blanket" - the most divisive topic in American history. 

[washparkhorn 9973]

7 minutes ago, henrygandorf said:

by whom?

~half the country thinks they're right.

this battle was fought and lost the moment "fake news" became a thing.

No one in the future will think those shilling for trump at the end of his reign were anything but propagandists. 

for the Nihilists in the back - Our propaganda is better than theirs. Trumpers can't meme.

[Sawbonz 28220]

13 minutes ago, henrygandorf said:

~half the country thinks they're right.

Link?

[BradInATX 9208]

23 years ago I drove up to Texas Motor Speedway to catch the Rolling Stones on their "Bridges to Babylon" tour.  I was very confident that would be my last chance to see the band.
2020:

Strong openers. I'd pay good money for a 1 day music fest just with the opening acts on that tour.

[Pato del Muerto 53492]

12 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

23 years ago I drove up to Texas Motor Speedway to catch the Rolling Stones on their "Bridges to Babylon" tour.  I was very confident that would be my last chance to see the band.

2020:

Accurate sponsor is accurate 

ps- tms is 23 years old?  Where has my life gone?

Edited December 11, 2020 by Pato del Muerto

[henrygandorf 29225]

6 minutes ago, Sawbonz said:

Link?

the poll i saw said 78% of republicans think the election was stolen.

if they're half the country, that's 39%.  not ok.

 

edit to add - this was my first search, not sure if it's the same one i originally saw.  70% (not 78%) but none of it makes sense.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/nov/10/election-trust-polling-study-republicans

 

Edited December 11, 2020 by henrygandorf
article

[Homercles 10206]

57 minutes ago, immamac said:

football board has been fun as shit lately. 

I’m not even a longhorn and y’all got me scouting McRibs and trying to read tail numbers with binoculars on every jet flying into EDC

[staboner 5084]

1 hour ago, RomaVicta said:

We are the frogs boiling to death in water. Outrage has been advanced in increments by persons no better than excrement.

Brisket has been decried occasionally for alarmism. We keep expecting that oh, the landslide victory will shut Trump and Trumpist up. Oh, the states recounting will put an end to this. Oh, the refusal of state govenment to overturn their own results will open the path. Oh, the courts will save us. Oh the Supreme Court will pour this toilet water out and that will be it. Oh, who can take 18 attorneys general and several members of Congress seriously as they gather together before the court.

So far, nothing has stopped this outrageous madness. Alternative measures have numbed our better citizens and roused our most despicable citizens.

I think it may well come down to where the Army stands. Trump shit his pants with them, so they won't turn out for him. I don't dismiss that that move is on the table for Trump. He claims to be defending the nation itself. His cult believes him. It's irritating to listen to news analysts keep talking about this string of events like normality will reassert itself any minute.

Normality will have to be imposed on those refusing to accept reality. There will be blood. The question is how much.

I've been saying military for a while now. only reason I am even saying military is because I don't see any other mechanism to change course. there isn't one. or I sure as shit don't see one.

unless they eventually eat themselves alive and/or the dollar collapses. who knows. lord help us if any other geopolitical anything enters the chatroom. 

 

[Sawbonz 28220]

21 minutes ago, henrygandorf said:

the poll i saw said 78% of republicans think the election was stolen.

if they're half the country, that's 39%.  not ok.

 

edit to add - this was my first search, not sure if it's the same one i originally saw.  70% (not 78%) but none of it makes sense.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/nov/10/election-trust-polling-study-republicans

 

Republicans are 30 to 35% of the country depending on the poll you look at so around 25% of the country thinks the election was stolen. Too many no doubt but not enough to go full Brisket 

Edited December 11, 2020 by Sawbonz

[Shaggy3.0 1695]

So, returning to the discussion on whether this case merits an opinion or not.  I stopped working early today. I wanted to read the actual motions provided by all sides in this case.  I guess you can say I did my best fake lawyer lawyering because I'm not a lawyer.  Whatever.

As far as I can tell, the Plaintiffs told Texas to get bent--get the fuck outta here sort of thing.  One of the main arguments seems to be the Plaintiff states did nothing wrong. Each state followed its existing law. For example, PA says;

In addition to its lack of standing and the mootness of this untimely action, Texas’s Electors Clause claim has no merit. There was no violation of state law, let alone one that was so significant that it warrants creation of a novel constitutional claim. 9

https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/22/22O155/163367/20201210142206254_Pennsylvania Opp to Bill of Complaint v.FINAL.pdf

 

Yet, the Legislative branch for PA and GA say otherwise. They claim their constitutional responsibility to determine “The Times, Places and Manner" for holding elections was "usurped" by state courts, governors and secretary of states.  

If you had to make a bet---like a mortgage money bet----would you guys say this case will be argued before the Supreme Court?  Given the number of motions files on both sides and with the Plaintiff branches of government in disagreement, will this shit really go down?   I'd like to know how much ammo, bottled water, toilet paper, and canned goods I need to buy.

 

 

[henrygandorf 29225]

9 minutes ago, Sawbonz said:

Republicans are 30 to 35% of the country depending on the poll you look at so around 25% of the country thinks the election was stolen. Too many no doubt but not enough to go full Brisket 

74mm people just voted for him after 4 years of horrid presidenting.  they will vote for him again.  that's...alarming, regardless of the fraud stats that show up in polls.

[Sawbonz 28220]

1 minute ago, henrygandorf said:

74mm people just voted for him after 4 years of horrid presidenting.  they will vote for him again.  that's...alarming, regardless of the fraud stats that show up in polls.

They may or may not vote for him again. They may not have a chance to vote for him. But most of the people who voted for him believe Biden won fair and square. And that is important. 

[henrygandorf 29225]

1 minute ago, Sawbonz said:

But most of the people who voted for him believe Biden won fair and square. And that is important. 

link?

[aggie08 21796]

25 minutes ago, henrygandorf said:

74mm people just voted for him after 4 years of horrid presidenting.  they will vote for him again.  that's...alarming, regardless of the fraud stats that show up in polls.

This was discussed on the Donald Trump thread, but I'd wager the Republicans have a built-in base of at least 40M that will never vote Democrat for any reason. Decades and decades of excellent marketing by Republicans that the left is for anti-Christain values, they want to tax the rich at 90% to spend on universal healthcare, they want the government to control every aspect of your life, they want all of your guns, they think you're a racist and look down on you, they want to bankrupt the police, they want to lock you in your homes and destroy small business, etc., etc., etc. At least one of those issues resonates with some of even the most reasonable, intelligent people. 

Also, most people don't follow politics particularly closely, so Trump is just the dude sending stupid Tweets...but at least he's not a part of the radical left.

I'm hopefully optimistic that the truly crazy MAGA crowd decrying socialism/Marxism and elaborate conspiracy theories and painting liberals as pure evil is under 35M.

Still way too many, mind you.

 

Edited December 11, 2020 by aggie08

[Pato del Muerto 53492]

19 minutes ago, Shaggy3.0 said:

So, returning to the discussion on whether this case merits an opinion or not.  I stopped working early today. I wanted to read the actual motions provided by all sides in this case.  I guess you can say I did my best fake lawyer lawyering because I'm not a lawyer.  Whatever.

As far as I can tell, the Plaintiffs told Texas to get bent--get the fuck outta here sort of thing.  One of the main arguments seems to be the Plaintiff states did nothing wrong. Each state followed its existing law. For example, PA says;

 

 

The court:  if you really thought this was an issue, you should have dealt with it in the state courts in a timely manner, so that it could be hashed out prior to election activity when relief could be granted. Not after the fact as a way to change the result of the election by disenfranchising millions that voted in good faith in ways that were allowed at the time of voting. 

[washparkhorn 9973]

17 minutes ago, Shaggy3.0 said:

would you guys say this case will be argued before the Supreme Court

I have little doubt Roberts wants nothing to do with the case and will push to deny Texas (plaintiff) any relief. 

You did well reading that opposition to a motion for leave 

Here is the defense to Texas in a nutshell (from your link)

• What Texas is doing in this proceeding is to ask this Court to reconsider a mass of baseless claims about problems with the election that have already been considered, and rejected, by this Court and other courts.
• Texas attempts to exploit this Court’s sparingly used original jurisdiction to relitigate those matters.
• But Texas obviously lacks standing to bring such claims, which, in any event, are barred by laches, and are moot, meritless, and dangerous.
• Texas has not suffered harm simply because it dislikes the result of the election, and nothing in the text, history, or structure of the Constitution supports Texas’s view that it can dictate the manner in which four other states run their elections.
• Nor is that view grounded in any precedent from this Court.
• Texas does not seek to have the Court interpret the Constitution, so much as disregard it.

I don't think Roberts wants this stain of a case on his legacy.

[Sawbonz 28220]

10 minutes ago, henrygandorf said:

link?

No link, just figure if 30% of republicans don’t think it was rigged then at least double that for the independents who voted for Trump. I haven’t seen any polls of independent trump voters’ feelings on this

[Gatorubet 30715]

Strong openers. I'd pay good money for a 1 day music fest just with the opening acts on that tour.

Dumpstaphunk is solid.

[jimmyjazz 47183]

My point was probably lost:  people who think Donald Trump will be dead in 4 years are probably suffering from the same affliction I did when I figured 1997 was my last shot to see The Rolling Stones.

[TwiceHorn 32078]

11 minutes ago, washparkhorn said:

I have little doubt Roberts wants nothing to do with the case and will push to deny Texas (plaintiff) any relief. 

You did well reading that opposition to a motion for leave 

Here is the defense to Texas in a nutshell (from your link)

• What Texas is doing in this proceeding is to ask this Court to reconsider a mass of baseless claims about problems with the election that have already been considered, and rejected, by this Court and other courts.
• Texas attempts to exploit this Court’s sparingly used original jurisdiction to relitigate those matters.
• But Texas obviously lacks standing to bring such claims, which, in any event, are barred by laches, and are moot, meritless, and dangerous.
• Texas has not suffered harm simply because it dislikes the result of the election, and nothing in the text, history, or structure of the Constitution supports Texas’s view that it can dictate the manner in which four other states run their elections.
• Nor is that view grounded in any precedent from this Court.
• Texas does not seek to have the Court interpret the Constitution, so much as disregard it.

I don't think Roberts wants this stain of a case on his legacy.

There are so many things wrong with that lawsuit from a legal perspective, the most interesting aspect is not whether the Supreme Court will pour it out, but on exactly what grounds.

[Fudge Nuggets 19455]

2 hours ago, Sawbonz said:

Trump will be 78 in June of 2024. I don’t know how many morbidly obese 78 year olds you routinely encounter, but as someone who sees them all the time I don’t see how he could possibly campaign at that age and in that state of health. Rallies are his thing and he physically won’t be able to do that 

Easy fix:

[Ted Lange 16413]

This lawsuit is peak "just asking questions." 

 

[Cairn Horn88 8502]

43 minutes ago, washparkhorn said:

I have little doubt Roberts wants nothing to do with the case and will push to deny Texas (plaintiff) any relief. 

You did well reading that opposition to a motion for leave 

Here is the defense to Texas in a nutshell (from your link)

• What Texas is doing in this proceeding is to ask this Court to reconsider a mass of baseless claims about problems with the election that have already been considered, and rejected, by this Court and other courts.
• Texas attempts to exploit this Court’s sparingly used original jurisdiction to relitigate those matters.
• But Texas obviously lacks standing to bring such claims, which, in any event, are barred by laches, and are moot, meritless, and dangerous.
• Texas has not suffered harm simply because it dislikes the result of the election, and nothing in the text, history, or structure of the Constitution supports Texas’s view that it can dictate the manner in which four other states run their elections.
• Nor is that view grounded in any precedent from this Court.
• Texas does not seek to have the Court interpret the Constitution, so much as disregard it.

I don't think Roberts wants this stain of a case on his legacy.

So, Adios Mofo!

[Mdhorn 6166]

1 hour ago, Homercles said:

I’m not even a longhorn and y’all got me scouting McRibs and trying to read tail numbers with binoculars on every jet flying into EDC

I haven’t eaten at a McDonald’s since the 80s and two night ago ordered a McRib sandwich after midnight. I blame a weak curfew law or I wouldn’t have been able to make such a bad decision. I think it was 75% bbq sauce. What animal has ribs that small. Is it like a sweater that the longer it’s boiled the more it shrinks? What animal has ribs so small?  A bird, that’s what. I ate a bird rib sandwich after midnight thanks to this god forsaken board. And that’s the best case scenario. 

Edited December 11, 2020 by Mdhorn

[JimmyJames 12271]

1 hour ago, henrygandorf said:

74mm people just voted for him after 4 years of horrid presidenting.  they will vote for him again.  that's...alarming, regardless of the fraud stats that show up in polls.

While correct, there are many people who vote republican because (1) the dems will take more of their money away from them, (2) the dems will take their Muh guns away from them, or (3) the dems will kill babies.

While ignorant, there are millions who vote that way.  They are a minority, but they support the nazi Republican Party for those reasons alone. 

How to deal with that? Dunno. But that is what you are facing against. 

[Underdog 29184]

2 hours ago, Sawbonz said:

There is a huge acceleration in the rate of decline in health and activity after age 75, and morbid obesity greatly exacerbates it. These patients also lose “reserve” ie the ability to bounce back after illness or injury. He will need a walker in the near future and is much too vain to use one. I see a series of falls and eventually a broken hip and he’s done

Thinking with depression being out of office will help accelerate any health issues he may have.  He'll cry wolf for as long as he can but even then those in DC will tire of his shit and move on when they realize he can't really hurt them with mean words.  Lindsey on the other hand is fucked, Trump got the goods on him.

[henrygandorf 29225]

7 minutes ago, JimmyJames said:

While correct, there are many people who vote republican because (1) the dems will take more of their money away from them, (2) the dems will take their Muh guns away from them, or (3) the dems will kill babies.

While ignorant, there are millions who vote that way.  They are a minority, but they support the nazi Republican Party for those reasons alone. 

How to deal with that? Dunno. But that is what you are facing against. 

while i agree with your point about republicans, there is a separate point here about trump.

he can get 74mm votes.  i don't think another republican can.  he showed last month that he can get people out to vote for him.  these people are not all "republicans".  if josh hawley or mitt romney runs in 2024 they won't automatically get those 74mm votes, even if trump told them to do it (he won't).

[tantric superman 4668]

1 hour ago, henrygandorf said:

the poll i saw said 78% of republicans think the election was stolen.

if they're half the country, that's 39%.  not ok.

The poor and stupid are always 80%.  They're just getting better at the internets.

[WBT 20972]

2 hours ago, henrygandorf said:

this battle was fought and lost the moment "fake news" became a thing.

It's funny how that term boomeranged.  Well, funny probably isn't the right word for it.

[Chad Fuck 18135]

23 years ago I drove up to Texas Motor Speedway to catch the Rolling Stones on their "Bridges to Babylon" tour.  I was very confident that would be my last chance to see the band.
2020:

I was at that show. It was good.

I had tix to see the Stones this summer in Austin and Dallas because...I figured it was their last run.

[Chad Fuck 18135]

My point was probably lost:  people who think Donald Trump will be dead in 4 years are probably suffering from the same affliction I did when I figured 1997 was my last shot to see The Rolling Stones.

Mick Jagger runs five miles everyday.

Keef Richards is motherfucking Keef Richards.

I rest my case.

[Guest Lobo]

45 minutes ago, Mdhorn said:

I haven’t eaten at a McDonald’s since the 80s and two night ago ordered a McRib sandwich after midnight. I blame a weak curfew law or I wouldn’t have been able to make such a bad decision. I think it was 75% bbq sauce. What animal has ribs that small. Is it like a sweater that the longer it’s boiled the more it shrinks? What animal has ribs so small?  A bird, that’s what. I ate a bird rib sandwich after midnight thanks to this god forsaken board. And that’s the best case scenario. 

You sound like you have doubts about the integrity of bird law in this country in an election year?  

[Pato del Muerto 53492]

So we thinking the court makes their move tomorrow, or takes the weekend?

[yoladu 4191]

1 hour ago, Sawbonz said:

But most of the people who voted for him {Trump} believe Biden won fair and square. And that is important. 

70% of Republicans feel Biden's victory is not legitimate.

77% of Republicans believe there was widespread voter fraud

https://poll.qu.edu/national/release-detail?ReleaseID=3685

Quinnipiac Poll - December 10, 2020

Edited December 11, 2020 by yoladu

[Shaggy3.0 1695]

1 hour ago, washparkhorn said:

I have little doubt Roberts wants nothing to do with the case and will push to deny Texas (plaintiff) any relief. 

You did well reading that opposition to a motion for leave 

Here is the defense to Texas in a nutshell (from your link)

• What Texas is doing in this proceeding is to ask this Court to reconsider a mass of baseless claims about problems with the election that have already been considered, and rejected, by this Court and other courts.
• Texas attempts to exploit this Court’s sparingly used original jurisdiction to relitigate those matters.
• But Texas obviously lacks standing to bring such claims, which, in any event, are barred by laches, and are moot, meritless, and dangerous.
• Texas has not suffered harm simply because it dislikes the result of the election, and nothing in the text, history, or structure of the Constitution supports Texas’s view that it can dictate the manner in which four other states run their elections.
• Nor is that view grounded in any precedent from this Court.
• Texas does not seek to have the Court interpret the Constitution, so much as disregard it.

I don't think Roberts wants this stain of a case on his legacy.

Thanks for the simple explanation. Not sure I understand this whole "legacy" thing.  Why should that be a factor? 

I'm trying to compare this situation with the software development process, as crazy as that sounds.  Over time, a code base can become extremely convoluted and/or huge monoliths for various reasons. Shitty programmers touch the code and create regressions. Moron IT contractors develop untested modules and break the build. Business rushes projects through with unreasonable timelines.  These issues usually surface with large enterprise projects in poorly managed groups.  One solution is to acknowledge and fix the questionable architectural decisions,  peer-review code going forward, and remove legacy code that prevents better coding practices.  A large code refactoring project  is usually the next step.  Refactoring allows teams to correct previous mistakes and move forward in a constructive manner.

When it comes to law, I guess there is a similar problem. Every year more decisions are made by all levels of the judiciary.  And every year, as more cases are decided, it exposes laws to contradictions IMHO.  Perhaps logical paths for what the current law actually is reveal themselves, but might get drowned out by previous contradictory rulings.  I read all those motions today.  They read like a free-for-all to cite the most cases to support either side.  Then I read online sources, watch the news, read various opinions---and this shit is all over the place. And this reminds me of those large codebases full of problems. But in software, we can refactor to solve our problems.  The IT VP and Directors who created the issues---we can't worry about their "legacy".  Things just need to be fixed properly. So they give the go-ahead to fix all the issues.  Does the law have this ability to basically refactor itself? And again,  why the hell should I care about the legacy of some Chief Justice?  I can't even name previous Chief Justices because well, that's not my field. So why should the average person care about that? 

 

     

 

 

 

   

 

 

[Gatorubet 30715]

Pick your shot:

I think we will have a unanimous short decision dismissing on standing. The option is two competing sides making the court seem even more political, with some nasty concurring/dissenting opinions that stray into multiple (unneeded) merit based issues. IOW, a shit-show.

Roberts gonna make them dismiss unanimously, leaving Trump to crow about why he lost on procedure, but his proof was bigly good. In return the mouth breathers do not get told they are stupid mooks, and are free to knee-cap Biden with that shit until 2024. And insane orange man is gone, and tax law still favorable, so big money is happy and safe.

[Chad Fuck 18135]

Pick your shot:

I think we will have a unanimous short decision dismissing on standing. The option is two competing sides making the court seem even more political, with some nasty concurring/dissenting opinions that stray into multiple (unneeded) merit based issues. IOW, a shit-show.

Roberts gonna make them dismiss unanimously, leaving Trump to crow about why he lost on procedure, but his proof was bigly good. In return the mouth breathers do not get told they are stupid mooks, and are free to knee-cap Biden with that shit until 2024. And insane orange man is gone, and tax law still favorable, so big money is happy and safe.

All of this.

[Beau Vine 55864]

1 hour ago, jimmyjazz said:

My point was probably lost:  people who think Donald Trump will be dead in 4 years are probably suffering from the same affliction I did when I figured 1997 was my last shot to see The Rolling Stones.

Shit, I saw The Who farewell tour in 1988 from basically the top row of Oakland Alameda Coliseum.

[Brandywine 1330]

This is scary as shit to me. The SC should shut this down tomorrow. Enough is enough! These Republicans have gone looney toons and off the rails for one crazy ass lying man. One! I hope it all blows up in their faces. 

[F250 29200]

2 hours ago, jimmyjazz said:

My point was probably lost:  people who think Donald Trump will be dead in 4 years are probably suffering from the same affliction I did when I figured 1997 was my last shot to see The Rolling Stones.

Are there any super fat members of the Rolling Stones?

[washparkhorn 9973]

1 hour ago, Mdhorn said:

What animal has ribs that small

The eternal questions one has when eating mystery meat. 

And the answer is: pigeon

[Pato del Muerto 53492]

Squab sounds more gourmet 

[Homercles 10206]

8 hours ago, Mdhorn said:

I haven’t eaten at a McDonald’s since the 80s and two night ago ordered a McRib sandwich after midnight. I blame a weak curfew law or I wouldn’t have been able to make such a bad decision. I think it was 75% bbq sauce. What animal has ribs that small. Is it like a sweater that the longer it’s boiled the more it shrinks? What animal has ribs so small?  A bird, that’s what. I ate a bird rib sandwich after midnight thanks to this god forsaken board. And that’s the best case scenario. 

Obligatory ‘now without lettuce’ 

 

[Walden Ponderer 12639]

Just in case y'all are curious, there's a shitload of states and territories who've signed on to the District of Columbia's amici curiae filing. I am pleased as can be that North Carolina is among the states loyal to the United States Constitution.

D.C. and 22 states and territories' filing of amici curiae