the trump election lawsuit thread of dominance

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49 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

That's about it in a nutshell.  Apparently, serious pundits think these suits could nearly destroy OANN and Newsmax.  That would be nice.

Friend of ours who is a retired attorney, and just for background, dealt mainly with contracts and business-to-business interactions, he thinks there's some serious teeth in those actions from Smartmatic (and Dominion by proxy).   He thinks it would be a fairly easy case to show damage to future financial earnings, reputation, etc., and he said it was a deliberate pattern if you step back and look at the whole of things - multiple people on multiple shows all attacking Smartmatic/Dominion.   They can run clips of show-after-show where the guests and even the hosts were trying to destroy the reputations of those companies.

He thought it was really odd that Fox News' legal allowed them to say this kind of stuff on the air, day-after-day, and wondered if they were being overruled by executives.

If OAN told them to go pound sand, yeah, it's going to hurt, and OAN is not pulling in the kinds of advertising and fees that FNC is.

[TwiceHorn 31184]

9 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

Friend of ours who is a retired attorney, and just for background, dealt mainly with contracts and business-to-business interactions, he thinks there's some serious teeth in those actions from Smartmatic (and Dominion by proxy).   He thinks it would be a fairly easy case to show damage to future financial earnings, reputation, etc., and he said it was a deliberate pattern if you step back and look at the whole of things - multiple people on multiple shows all attacking Smartmatic/Dominion.   They can run clips of show-after-show where the guests and even the hosts were trying to destroy the reputations of those companies.

He thought it was really odd that Fox News' legal allowed them to say this kind of stuff on the air, day-after-day, and wondered if they were being overruled by executives.

If OAN told them to go pound sand, yeah, it's going to hurt, and OAN is not pulling in the kinds of advertising and fees that FNC is.

It becomes more difficult if Smartmatic and Dominion are found to be public figures, then the publication by FNC, OANN, and NM must be malicious or reckless.  

Powell may have a litigation privilege for some of it, to the extent it's repeating stuff from the lawsuits.  But she started talking shit long before filing the lawsuits, so that's still going to be a problem for her.

The article notes that OANN and Newsmax are spending wildly to try to supplant Fox, and each other and are going to need investment/loans and these suits are going to put a dent in that.

[Pato del Muerto 52322]

42 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

It becomes more difficult if Smartmatic and Dominion are found to be public figures, then the publication by FNC, OANN, and NM must be malicious or reckless.  

Powell may have a litigation privilege for some of it, to the extent it's repeating stuff from the lawsuits.  But she started talking shit long before filing the lawsuits, so that's still going to be a problem for her.

The article notes that OANN and Newsmax are spending wildly to try to supplant Fox, and each other and are going to need investment/loans and these suits are going to put a dent in that.

The only thing making them public figures is the slander and libel. 

[henrygandorf 29174]

45 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

It becomes more difficult if Smartmatic and Dominion are found to be public figures, then the publication by FNC, OANN, and NM must be malicious or reckless.

uh, how in the world could they be?  isn’t that reserved for individuals, celebrities, actual public (well known) figures?  the only reason we’re aware of these vote tabulation companies is because assholes are going on tv saying they fucked up their one job of, you know, properly tabulating votes.

it’s not like people are saying the president of smartmatic does cocaine or cheats on his wife, it’s all attacking their professional abilities. what am i missing?

[henrygandorf 29174]

4 hours ago, Neonmoon said:

What are you? 5?

 

beeswax, not yours, incorporated. 

[SKJ 1305]

3 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

It becomes more difficult if Smartmatic and Dominion are found to be public figures, then the publication by FNC, OANN, and NM must be malicious or reckless.  

Powell may have a litigation privilege for some of it, to the extent it's repeating stuff from the lawsuits.  But she started talking shit long before filing the lawsuits, so that's still going to be a problem for her.

The article notes that OANN and Newsmax are spending wildly to try to supplant Fox, and each other and are going to need investment/loans and these suits are going to put a dent in that.

I'm sure they're banking on the fact that the residents of Trumpistan will step up and help them pay for the lawsuits

[Bookman 4610]

Is there any actual evidence of any person in the U.S. casting an illegal ballot that was counted?

[Guest Lobo]

14 minutes ago, Bookman said:

Is there any actual evidence of any person in the U.S. casting an illegal ballot that was counted?

It's none of your business!  /sidneypowell 

Apparently all the evidence is under audit or confidential or classified or under subpoena or something.  

In a an election of almost 160mm Americans, there are likely a handful of illegal ballots casted.  Maybe hundreds, possibly thousands.  

But it would still go a long way to validate their ridiculous claims if Powell would just to on a CNN show and hold up a photocopy of one of the illegally casted ballots up to the camera and explain with no conspiratorial overtones, that this ballot was cast by a Jake Joplin in Atlanta who shouldn't have cast it because he's currently incarcerated for a felony.  Or a Sally Mae Herschfelder in Philadelphia's ballot that is clearly post-marked and counted after Thanksgiving despite her never having left her home in the last year.  Instead they just lob law bombs over twitter and make ridiculous accusations like tens of thousands of Trump ballots were found in a van down by the river. 

Again, failing to connect the dots that if all these Trump/GOP ballots were discarded or destroyed or placed in a non-navigable waterway.....there should be down-ballot Republicans clamoring for their own recounts because they lost unjustly.  But there's not, they all say some version of, "The election was stolen from Trump!  Me?  No, I'm good, yeah as soon as we can certify my Congressional race---the better.  Let's get the rest of this made all official-like.  But whatever Mr. Trump wants to do on his end, stop the count, recount, no count, missed count, fraudulent count!  But if we could ahead and skip down the ballot a bit and go ahead and register my votes which are clearly not fraudulent."    

 

Edited December 21, 2020 by Lobo

[hpslugga 4039]

1 hour ago, Bookman said:

Is there any actual evidence of any person in the U.S. casting an illegal ballot that was counted?

I would imagine it occurred at the exact same rate that we've seen in the last 20 years, which isn't near enough to turn over a single state that either candidate captured to the other candidate. You'll notice, btw, no one is talking about contesting a single red state. No one is saying "Texas was stolen from Biden! No Democratic candidate ever captured 5 million votes in Texas, and he loses????WTF???" But it's perfectly ok, in the blinded eyes of the red team, to come up with these tortured theories about statistics and probabilities in order to "prove" Trump was robbed in 6 fucking states.

This whole thing is just hysterical lunacy, but we are at a very odd crossroads, and of course I'm going to blame the usual suspects in a minute:

On one hand, I suppose that the DNC could try to open some line of communication with the people in the administration to establish two things: 1) how many people in there really do accept that Dickhead lost and 2) if the number is sufficient, would they invoke the 25th.

On the other hand, social media and FOX/OAN/Newsmax have been so poisonous to the general population that if such an action were to occur, that would just further incite them even more than they have been by all this falderal. "THEY'RE STEALING THE ELECTION AND THEY'RE KIDNAPPING THE PRESIDENT AWAY FROM HIS DUTIES OF PROTECTING US," they'll all shout. The last thing we need is some sort of bastardized uprising to occur, and that just might do it.

Again, this is all a symptom of fucking postmodernist doctrine and dogma. This is a symptom of systematic shaming of people who have the fucking nerve to say "you know, sometimes there are facts, not everything is an opinion, and not every opinion deserves over the top diplomatic protection." If people weren't so susceptible to the horseshit that the aforementioned networks spew, and if it weren't such a taboo thing to say "you're wrong to believe what you believe, and here's why:" my guess is that the 25th would have been invoked weeks ago and we'd be sitting here talking about the vaccine and the holidays. But no, Benito Tangerini gets to continue his clown show, and it's not because of him. He is not the problem. The problem is the morons in the federal government and in certain sectors of the media who bend over backwards to protect him.

Edited December 21, 2020 by hpslugga

[HenryJames 65868]

 

[Guest Lobo]

And that rocket's name?  The U.S. Space Force "Kraken"  

Ship leaves in two weeks.  Be on it, Ms. Powell.  

One of the many reasons I am eagerly awaiting 2021 is to see what this lunatic does for her next career move.  

[Tuco 5076]

I'm guessing that wouldn't be the first time Sidney thought she was on a spaceship. 

[BrickHorn 18176]

2 hours ago, Bookman said:

Is there any actual evidence of any person in the U.S. casting an illegal ballot that was counted?

Ask and ye shall receive. “Evidence” of fraud, fabricated for the consumption of idiots (e.g. the TexAgs Q thread, which spent some pages analyzing this math in great detail without ever noticing the glaring flaws):

Two flaws jump out: 

1. Even if this analysis showed that more votes were counted than cast, it could equally establish that Trump, not Biden, benefitted from fraud.

2. Dude used the wrong baseline number of eligible voters, resulting in a calculated total vote number that is way too low. His source for the turnout percentage (WashPo) used numbers from another source (the Elections Project), which used estimated total votes cast and eligible votes as inputs to the formula for calculating voter turnout. Those numbers were 160 million and 239 million, respectively. But rather than use the actual total votes cast data recorded by his source, this genius took the resulting voter turnout percentage and then multiplied it by a lower eligible voter total that he completely made up out of thin air (212 million) to conjure a made-up total votes cast figure (140 million) that implied a non-existent deficit in votes. Garbage in, garbage out.

tl;dr - mathematical fraud claims to prove electoral fraud. 

Edited December 21, 2020 by BrickHorn

[TwiceHorn 31184]

7 hours ago, henrygandorf said:

uh, how in the world could they be?  isn’t that reserved for individuals, celebrities, actual public (well known) figures?  the only reason we’re aware of these vote tabulation companies is because assholes are going on tv saying they fucked up their one job of, you know, properly tabulating votes.

it’s not like people are saying the president of smartmatic does cocaine or cheats on his wife, it’s all attacking their professional abilities. what am i missing?

Hence the "if."  I didn't say it would happen, but it might.

And we are talking about business disparagement rather than straight, individual defamation, so the rules are a little different.

In any event, I think the recklessness would probably be found.

[Beau Vine 53964]

2 hours ago, Tuco said:

I'm guessing that wouldn't be the first time Sidney thought she was on a spaceship. 

[Fudge Nuggets 19118]

It’s December 21 and dotard still lost. 
 

[Bama Chick 28596]

[elfenix 34168]

14 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

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while Ms. Powell may say she was simply describing legal filings.

 

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Powell may have a litigation privilege for some of it, to the extent it's repeating stuff from the lawsuits.

 

iirc it's one thing to say something in a legal filing, it's another thing to go on TV and shout it into people's living rooms. even if you preface that with "as we lay out in our lawsuit"

 

/me has had a couple cases involving publication of potentially defamatory statements by handing out copies of the lawsuit, and iirc, the question is whether the recipients may have a party/pecuniary interest in the litigation

Edited December 21, 2020 by elfenix

[Walden Ponderer 12639]

[Biff Tannen 45477]

26 minutes ago, Bama Chick said:

 

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.  I hope they get sued out of existence.

[Walden Ponderer 12639]

23 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.  I hope they get sued out of existence.

Oh, I don't know. I hope they still exist.

 

 

 

 

In a museum. With Pop Rocks and Astronaut Ice Cream in the gift shop.

[Dahobbs 17420]

55 minutes ago, Bama Chick said:

 

Ya know, I'm not sure admitting you never had any evidence of the wild claims you aired for weeks is the soundest legal strategy. 

[TwiceHorn 31184]

3 minutes ago, Dahobbs said:

Ya know, I'm not sure admitting you never had any evidence of the wild claims you aired for weeks is the soundest legal strategy. 

They're I think banking on lawyers having litigation privilege and them publishing that.  Also note he said "opinions" when talking about the people they have had on.

So they're trying to "clarify" that they made no independently defamatory statements, just published those that might be cloaked with litigation or congressional privilege.

[Pato del Muerto 52322]

1 hour ago, Bama Chick said:

 

What an early Christmas present this is. A 2 minute self flagellation from the source all trumpers are using to justify their flailings, delivered by a guy named John tobacco with a mob-style accent? This has to be the denouement of some story arc. 
 

Their online story is what he read. Lawyers not letting them deviate at all. 
 

https://www.newsmax.com/t/newsmax/article/1002355?section=us&keywords=smartmatic-dominion-voting-systems-software-election&year=2020&month=12&date=19&id=1002355

Edited December 21, 2020 by Pato del Muerto

[aggie08 21380]

7 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

What an early Christmas present this is. A 2 minute self flagellation from the source all trumpers are using to justify their flailings, delivered by a guy named John tobacco with a mob-style accent? This has to be the denouement of some story arc. 
 

Their online story is what he read. Lawyers not letting them deviate at all. 
 

https://www.newsmax.com/t/newsmax/article/1002355?section=us&keywords=smartmatic-dominion-voting-systems-software-election&year=2020&month=12&date=19&id=1002355

It's not even going to phase their audience.

[Dahobbs 17420]

4 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

They're I think banking on lawyers having litigation privilege and them publishing that.  Also note he said "opinions" when talking about the people they have had on.

So they're trying to "clarify" that they made no independently defamatory statements, just published those that might be cloaked with litigation or congressional privilege.

Oh I get what they are trying to do. But damn, if they fall off that tight rope they've set themselves upon, the plaintiffs have a hell of an exhibit 'A' demonstrating that Newsmax had zero factual basis for its reporting.  

[NWBuck 8543]

54 minutes ago, Walden Ponderer said:

Just you wait until he makes "Denial" the 51st state by executive order. 

If we require all magadiots and Q-Anon folks move there, it would be the most populated state, but still only have two Senators so things can finally get accomplished in Congress. 

Edited December 21, 2020 by NWBuck

[TwiceHorn 31184]

16 hours ago, ShaggyBevo RIP said:

Very interesting opinion piece from an Obama era lawyer that stayed on to fight Trump's agenda from within.  May need to sign in via social media for the whole article.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/20/opinion/trump-justice-department-lawyer.html

 

 

That is a good piece.  Explains that skilled lawyers in DOJ and OLC made some of Trump's fits (Muslim ban, etc.) pass legal muster (granted, narrowing them substantially) and points out that when left on his own, Trump engages second-rate lawyers that can't pull off his insane agenda of lies (e.g. the election fraud fantasy).

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Unlike the Trump Justice Department, the Trump campaign has relied on second-rate lawyers who lack the skills to maintain the president’s charade. After a recent oral argument from Rudy Giuliani, Judge Matthew Brann (a Republican) wrote that the campaign had offered “strained legal arguments without merit and speculative accusations, unpled in the operative complaint and unsupported by evidence.” Even judges appointed by Mr. Trump have refused to throw their lots in with lawyers who can’t master the basic mechanics of lawyering.

After four years of bulldozing through one institution after another on the backs of skilled lawyers, the Trump agenda hit a brick wall.

The story of the Trump campaign’s attack on our elections could have been the story of the Trump administration’s four-year-long attack on our institutions. If, early on, the Justice Department lawyers charged with selling the administration’s lies had emptied the ranks — withholding our talents and reputations and demanding the same of our professional peers — the work of defending President Trump’s policies would have been left to the types of attorneys now representing his campaign. Lawyers like Mr. Giuliani would have had to defend the Muslim ban in court.

Had that happened, judges would have likely dismantled the Trump facade from the beginning, stopping the momentum of his ugliest and most destructive efforts and bringing much-needed accountability early in his presidency.

 

[Longhorn_Fan68 33825]

6 minutes ago, NWBuck said:

Just you wait until he makes "Denial" the 51st state by executive order. 

If we require all magadiots and Q-Anon folks move there, it would be the most populated state, but still only have two Senators so things can finally get accomplished in Congress. 

they can have alaska. bonus is they'll be closer to their dear leader's dear leader.

Edited December 21, 2020 by Longhorn_Fan68

[NWBuck 8543]

8 minutes ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

they can have alaska. bonus is they'll be closer to their dear leader's dear leader.

They can see him from their house! 

[Js1 85056]

 

[Chad Fuck 17503]

It's not even going to phase their audience.

It will forever be used to say, “See! They do the right thing and fact check! I’m sure that’s applicable to ALL their reporting!”

[Biff Tannen 45477]

1 hour ago, Walden Ponderer said:

In a museum. With Pop Rocks and Astronaut Ice Cream in the gift grift shop.

fify

[TwiceHorn 31184]

Trump is the living embodiment of Raylan Givens' asshole principle

If you appoint one person and he turns out to be an asshole and you have to fire him, you appointed an asshole.  If everyone you appoint has to be fired, you're the asshole.

[Bama Chick 28596]

lol

[Biff Tannen 45477]

4 minutes ago, Bama Chick said:

lol
 

Can someone start a class action suit or something that would constantly keep these fuckheads backpedaling?  Seems clear that litigation is the only thing that has an effect on their propaganda.

[Guest Lobo]

Obviously misleading editing done to those videos.  You can tell because, according to the timestamp in the corners, one was filmed in CT, one in MT, and one in ET.  So they can't all be in the same place saying the same thing at the same time.  FAKE NEWS! 

[tantric superman 4667]

Faze.

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1 hour ago, Js1 said:

 

Jenna Ellis thinks she knows more about the law than Barr does.  This could be entertaining.  

[Chad Fuck 17503]

8 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

Jenna Ellis thinks she knows more about the law than Barr does.  This could be entertaining.  

The gall is impressive.  What's entertaining is where they use to use it against Dems, now they're using it on each other.  

There just isn't enough popcorn for this.

[RDCanecutter 26239]

1 hour ago, TwiceHorn said:

Trump is the living embodiment of Raylan Givens' asshole principle

If you appoint one person and he turns out to be an asshole and you have to fire him, you appointed an asshole.  If everyone you appoint has to be fired, you're the asshole.

There's always the chance that everybody is an asshole. Just like turtles, it's assholes, all the way down.

[Foosters 17691]

3 minutes ago, Chad Fuck said:

The gall is impressive.  What's entertaining is where they use to use it against Dems, now they're using it on each other.  

There just isn't enough popcorn for this.

Fired from a low-level DA position in some rural, bumblefuck county. Few years later, she's leading the president's extralegal attempt to overthrow democracy.

[Chad Fuck 17503]

Just now, Foosters said:

Fired from a low-level DA position in some rural bumblefuck county. Few years later, she's leading the president's extralegal attempt to overthrow democracy.

All of this x 1000.  It's another insane moment of an insane 4 years, added to a 2020 with a little more insane sauce with extra nuts on top. 

[Chad Fuck 17503]

10 minutes ago, RDCanecutter said:

There's always the chance that everybody is an asshole. Just like turtles, it's assholes, all the way down.

At least for this administration.  

 

Now they know how many assholes it takes to fill the Albert Hall.  

Edited December 21, 2020 by Chad Fuck

[DDD Dad 14167]

8 minutes ago, Foosters said:

Fired from a low-level DA position in some rural, bumblefuck county. Few years later, she's leading the president's extralegal attempt to overthrow democracy.

[Longhorn_Fan68 33825]

20 minutes ago, Foosters said:

Fired from a low-level DA position in some rural, bumblefuck county. Few years later, she's leading the president's extralegal attempt to overthrow democracy.

See? America IS the land of opportunity 

[Gatorubet 30064]

Fired from a low-level DA position in some rural, bumblefuck county. Few years later, she's leading the president's extralegal attempt to overthrow democracy.

That’s just it: if Trump was not the Mob Boss of a group of incompetent, unqualified, brain dead clowns, he’d be Dictator For Life by now.

[Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand 13537]

11 hours ago, Bookman said:

Is there any actual evidence of any person in the U.S. casting an illegal ballot that was counted?

Officials finally found a case of a dead person voting, and it was a Republican pretending to be his dead mom to vote for Trump https://a.msn.com/r/2/BB1c7CpU?m=en-us&referrerID=InAppShare
 

[atomheartbevo 89362]

1 hour ago, Foosters said:

Fired from a low-level DA position in some rural, bumblefuck county. Few years later, she's leading the president's extralegal attempt to overthrow democracy.

1 hour ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

See? America IS the land of opportunity 

This explains Fitlump making it on the City Council.

 

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