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I wonder if any of this will come out during the course of the lawsuit targeting the PA voting results.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/wisconsin-republicans-caught-apparently-encouraging-141226986.html

 

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President Trump raged on Wednesday that he wants "all voting to stop." But emails obtained by The Daily Beast and the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel revealed Friday that it was Republican Party officials in Wisconsin who have allegedly been urging their volunteers to call Pennsylvanians and implore them to send in late — and therefore illegal — votes. "That would be exactly what the president and his campaign are accusing Democrats of doing," one legal expert observed to The Daily Beast.

The email was sent by a group called Kenosha For Trump around 5 p.m. on Thursday. "Trump Victory urgently needs volunteers to make phone calls to Pennsylvania Trump supporters to return their absentee ballots," the email read. The scheme seemed aimed to take advantage of a ruling in the state that said absentee ballots received by 5 p.m. on Friday must be counted — so long as they were properly postmarked by Election Day.

"allots received by that point without postmarks, or with illegible postmarks, will be considered to have been mailed in time 'unless a preponderance of the evidence demonstrates that it was mailed after Election Day,'" the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel reports, adding that "in Pennsylvania, postage is prepaid on some ballot envelopes. These prepaid envelopes are not automatically postmarked." The idea appeared to be to slip votes through by the Friday deadline in order to swing margins in the state back in Trump's favor, although Ben Geffen, an attorney at the Public Interest Law Center in Philadelphia, mused to The Daily Beast, "I wonder if they’re doing this in hopes of slipping one through and then waving it around as an example of the flawed process."

Either way, experts agreed the plan was exceedingly dumb. "This seems deeply stupid as it seems to be a solicitation to commit voter fraud," Richard Hasen, an elections law specialist, told the Journal Sentinel. "It's hard to believe this is real."

 

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It's not the worst thing in the world that the Trumps are ginning up suspicion and discord over election systems.  Maybe this will promote a push to a less glitchy, corruptible, manipulable system across the land.  That would be a welcome parting gift.

 

 

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On 11/7/2020 at 10:59 AM, pacman said:

Trump: Republicans had no access to monitor counting the ballots in Philadelphia.

Trump's lawyers in court: Yes, your honor, there were up to 19 Republican representatives watching the vote count.

Dumbasses.

Trump:  SAYS A BUNCH OF CRAZY SHIT IN ALL CAPS

Media: Trump's lawyers said in court there were Republicans monitoring the vote count.

Trumpkins: BUT TRUMP SAID IT IN ALL CAPS SO IT MUST BE TRUE.

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Entertaining...
 

I’ve gotten poured out on 9b deficiencies with what I thought was pretty damn specific fact pleading.

But I have no idea how that is looked at in an election context with little or no time for investigation or pre-suit discovery. Logic would suggest it should be lessened in that context.
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On 11/6/2020 at 4:41 PM, atomheartbevo said:

 

Holy shit, I 100% pre-judged him by his outward appearance. If you look at John Fetterman's wiki page, he's more a Ferdinand the Bull type.

A few eye openers (at least for me) from his wiki page:

  • Fetterman has described his upbringing as middle class and "privileged," saying he "sleepwalked" through his young adulthood, avidly playing four years of football in college and intending to eventually take over as owner of his father's business.[5] In 1991 Fetterman graduated from Albright College, also his father's alma mater, and was on his way to earning a Master of Business Administration (MBA) from the University of Connecticut.[7] However, his life took a drastic change after his friend died in a car accident on his way to drive Fetterman from the gym.[8]

  • Following his friend's death, Fetterman joined Big Brothers Big Sisters of America, pairing with an eight-year-old boy in New Haven, Connecticut, whose father had died from AIDS, and whose mother was battling the disease.[9] During his time as a Big Brother, Fetterman says he became "preoccupied with the concept of the random lottery of birth," and promised the boy's mother he would continue to look out for her son.[10] Afterwards, in 1995 Fetterman joined the recently founded AmeriCorps, and was sent to teach Pittsburgh students pursuing their GEDs.[11] For two years Fetterman worked in Pittsburgh before attending Harvard University's Kennedy School of Government, graduating in 1999 with a Master of Public Policy.[12]

  • Fetterman moved to Braddock in 2001 to serve with AmeriCorps, helping local youth who had left school to earn their GED. After living in Braddock for four years, attracted by what he called the town's "malignant beauty", Fetterman ran against the incumbent mayor in 2005 and won by a single vote.[13] As the part-time mayor, Fetterman earned $110.22 a month in 2007. His full-time job, directing the Out-Of-School-Youth program, paid around $30,000 annually.[14] In addition to his work with the program, Fetterman established strong relationships with the 16- to 24-year-old population, helping many in finding employment, and working with them with issues involving family, social agencies, and police. He also founded the 501(c)(3) Braddock Redux.[15]

  • Following his election, Fetterman initiated youth and art programs, created a community center, and has tried to initiate development of the town's mostly ruined buildings and poor economy. With family money, Fetterman purchased the town's First Presbyterian Church before demolition for $50,000, living in the basement for several months.[16] He later purchased an adjacent warehouse for $2,000, placed two shipping containers on the roof for "extra living space" and moved in.[13][14] He has since purchased and renovated many additional houses and offered cheap, even free, rent. Fetterman has attracted many young artists to the town through cheap rent and starting various art exhibitions.[13] The town's "renaissance" has attracted individuals from cities such as Chicago and Portland, Oregon, drawn by the potential for development and growth.[17] Other programs include a two-acre organic urban farm, worked by teenagers of the Braddock Youth Project.[15]

  • Fetterman's commitment to the community of Braddock is shown with various tattoos. On his left arm are the numbers 15104 - Braddock's ZIP Code, and on the right, the dates of five murders that occurred in the town since he was elected mayor.[17]

 

Oh, and that's an old photo, probably sometime during his weight-loss. He's lost ~ 150 lbs essentially low-carbing. The weight loss is probably why his clothes don't fit. 

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Bottom line. Man's got my respect. 

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There was zero% chance of Trump accepting this gracefully.

I agree with some of the posters saying, "great if we find some glitches or inadequacies that need correction; but none of those are why Trump lost"

Get busy livin', or get busy crying in your fucking soup.

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2 hours ago, Gatorubet said:


I’ve gotten poured out on 9b deficiencies with what I thought was pretty damn specific fact pleading.

But I have no idea how that is looked at in an election context with little or no time for investigation or pre-suit discovery. Logic would suggest it should be lessened in that context.

Plus, I'm not sure "election fraud" falls within the ambit of Rule 9.  The term "fraud" gets bandied about a lot without much connection to common law fraud.

Election or vote fraud would seem to comprise or consist of causing one or more false votes or ballots to be cast, or possibly a scheme to prevent true votes from being cast or counted.  Almost none of these complaints use that terminology.  They allege "election irregularities" and lack of compliance with statutes for the most part.

That Arizona lawsuit mentioned above seems to allege pollworkers accidentally or intentionally invalidating ballots using the tabulating machine.  That's the closest thing to "vote fraud" I've seen and, while troubling if true, isn't vote fraud.

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60 Minutes just now.

Ben Ginsberg, the architect of Bush's "defense" in Florida in 2000, calls Trump's strategy incoherent and likely the result of lawyers responding to a deranged client.

He said the only conceivable end game is to delay counts so that votes can't be certified by the electoral college deadline, which might create some elector chaos.

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Look, I say this all the time at work: Litigation is a form of denial for emotional plaintiffs. Same thing for someone fired who *knows* it’s not bc they are shitty at their job. Surely it’s because the COMPANY was doing illegal something something that is BAD and WRONG. 

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Look, I say this all the time at work: Litigation is a form of denial for emotional plaintiffs. Same thing for someone fired who *knows* it’s not bc they are shitty at their job. Surely it’s because the COMPANY was doing illegal something something that is BAD and WRONG. 

Cripes on a cracker on that first one.  Not only so informal, but the typed parts presume so much and are so clearly lawyer-drafted.

I have done somewhat similar in a time crunch, but nothing that horrendous and pretty obviously "pre-factual."

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2 hours ago, UTCzech III said:

NSIAP:

 

1-888-503-3526

It's very cathartic.  I had some things I felt I really needed to get off my chest.  I feel better now.

(Remember, nothing that even hints at threatening.) 

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3 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

Can you expand on that? 

Ongoing investigations are all the rage...

 

No I don't think the investigation is positive or healthy, but to be concerned about it at this juncture because it's "our guy" now is laughable.

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Holy shit, I 100% pre-judged him by his outward appearance. If you look at John Fetterman's wiki page, he's more a Ferdinand the Bull type.
A few eye openers (at least for me) from his wiki page:
  • Fetterman has described his upbringing as middle class and "privileged," saying he "sleepwalked" through his young adulthood, avidly playing four years of football in college and intending to eventually take over as owner of his father's business.[5] In 1991 Fetterman graduated from Albright College, also his father's alma mater, and was on his way to earning a Master of Business Administration (MBA) from the University of Connecticut.[7] However, his life took a drastic change after his friend died in a car accident on his way to drive Fetterman from the gym.[8]
  • Following his friend's death, Fetterman joined Big Brothers Big Sisters of America, pairing with an eight-year-old boy in New Haven, Connecticut, whose father had died from AIDS, and whose mother was battling the disease.[9] During his time as a Big Brother, Fetterman says he became "preoccupied with the concept of the random lottery of birth," and promised the boy's mother he would continue to look out for her son.[10] Afterwards, in 1995 Fetterman joined the recently founded AmeriCorps, and was sent to teach Pittsburgh students pursuing their GEDs.[11] For two years Fetterman worked in Pittsburgh before attending Harvard University's Kennedy School of Government, graduating in 1999 with a Master of Public Policy.[12]
  • Fetterman moved to Braddock in 2001 to serve with AmeriCorps, helping local youth who had left school to earn their GED. After living in Braddock for four years, attracted by what he called the town's "malignant beauty", Fetterman ran against the incumbent mayor in 2005 and won by a single vote.[13] As the part-time mayor, Fetterman earned $110.22 a month in 2007. His full-time job, directing the Out-Of-School-Youth program, paid around $30,000 annually.[14] In addition to his work with the program, Fetterman established strong relationships with the 16- to 24-year-old population, helping many in finding employment, and working with them with issues involving family, social agencies, and police. He also founded the 501©(3) Braddock Redux.[15]
  • Following his election, Fetterman initiated youth and art programs, created a community center, and has tried to initiate development of the town's mostly ruined buildings and poor economy. With family money, Fetterman purchased the town's First Presbyterian Church before demolition for $50,000, living in the basement for several months.[16] He later purchased an adjacent warehouse for $2,000, placed two shipping containers on the roof for "extra living space" and moved in.[13][14] He has since purchased and renovated many additional houses and offered cheap, even free, rent. Fetterman has attracted many young artists to the town through cheap rent and starting various art exhibitions.[13] The town's "renaissance" has attracted individuals from cities such as Chicago and Portland, Oregon, drawn by the potential for development and growth.[17] Other programs include a two-acre organic urban farm, worked by teenagers of the Braddock Youth Project.[15]
  • Fetterman's commitment to the community of Braddock is shown with various tattoos. On his left arm are the numbers 15104 - Braddock's ZIP Code, and on the right, the dates of five murders that occurred in the town since he was elected mayor.[17]
 
Oh, and that's an old photo, probably sometime during his weight-loss. He's lost ~ 150 lbs essentially low-carbing. The weight loss is probably why his clothes don't fit. 
ptrFetterBA062018.jpg
 
Bottom line. Man's got my respect. 

Sounds like exactly the type of leader we need instead of the type we get.
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24 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

How fast can the courts hear/decide on these claims by Trump? He’s holding up transition activities, and not just as in being a baby but the federal govt is refusing to start assisting Biden.

this can’t be a 2 month investigation and decision.

There were never going to be transition actitivies from Trumpco.

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On 11/7/2020 at 11:02 AM, TwiceHorn said:

But they were 10 feet away!!!!

And every praying or armed dipshit wasn't allowed in the polling places!

I think that distance ruling is the only thing that went their way in all these law suits. Lol

 

 

But what does anyone expect from this loser and coward? He has literally sued his way in and out of everything his entire life. FUCK YOU DONALD TRUMP, you can’t sue your way into democracy. 

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That's ol Thor.  He showed himself to be a dufus in that zoom hearing above trying to defend the multiple hearsay evidence.

Unfortunately for us, fortunately for Thor, those are common appeal "errors" easily fixed in the time allotted.  However, if you are trying to expedite appeals, you should really get your shit together.

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I am a bit surprised that Jones Day is involved with some of the shittier suits.  Frankly, I'm kind of surprised Jones Day is involved at all.  They're too big and diverse, both internally and among their client base, to risk being associated with Trump or to acquire a "righty" perception, like Kirkland & Ellis, which is not really all that right-wing despite all the high-profile righty lawyers that cycle in and out of there.

 

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12 hours ago, HenryJames said:

 

i know this has been posted often, because it's hilarious and all too typical.  but i really hope it doesn't dissuade trumpers from donating.

i would much rather money go to unpaid vendors or low-level campaign workers who would otherwise get completely fucked, than sit in the bank account of dipshit trump supporters dumb enough to contribute to his "legal case".

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https://lawandcrime.com/2020-election/trump-campaign-files-federal-lawsuit-seeking-to-block-pennsylvania-from-certifying-election-results/?utm_source=fark&utm_medium=website&utm_content=link&ICID=ref_fark

 

The Trump campaign filed a lawsuit on Monday seeking to block the certification of the Pennsylvania election results that tipped Joe Biden decisively across the threshold to become President-elect of the United States.

 

“Nothing less than the integrity of the 2020 Presidential election is at stake in this action,” the 85-page complaint states.

Teased out by the White House and the president’s lawyer Rudy Giuliani over the weekend, Donald J. Trump for President filed the lawsuit with two electors as co-plaintiffs: David John Henry and Lawrence Roberts.

Pennsylvania Secretary of State Kathy Boockvar, a Democrat, and seven Keystone State county boards of elections are listed as defendants. These boards come from Allegheny, Centre, Chester, Delaware, Montgomery, Northampton, and Philadelphia counties.

Before the lawsuit landed in the Middle District of Pennsylvania, Trump and his loyalists invoked the specter of mass voter fraud as a reason to contest the contest. Variations of the word “fraud” appear in the lawsuit 33 times, mostly in the context of rare prosecutions related to other elections. The only suspected instances of voter fraud cited in the complaint occurred in two Keystone State counties that voted for Trump: Fayette, where Trump is winning by a 34-point margin, and Luzerne, where his lead is 14 points.

“Fayette County experienced two different issues with their mail-in ballots leading up to Election Day,” the complaint states. “First, an issue caused by Pennsylvania’s SURE software system as to the marking of online applications submitted prior to the June primary election with the ‘permanent mail-in’ status caused some voters to receive duplicate ballots for the general election.”

Neither appears to be a clear-cut case of fraud.

One of the cases cited by the campaign relates to “at least four instances” of complaints by certain voters that they allegedly received ballots filled out for Biden, according to a news article cited by the campaign. Trump trails Biden by more than 45,000 votes in the Keystone State. Fayette County District Attorney Richard Bower is reportedly investigating that quartet of allegations.

The Luzerne County allegations relate to the Department of Justice’s controversial announcement of an investigation into “a small number” of allegedly discarded military ballots. The Justice Department had to revise its statement because they overestimated the number of ballots being investigated that were cast for Trump.

Federal prosecutors rarely announce investigations before charges are filed, amplifying allegations that Attorney General Bill Barr has been politicizing the Justice Department.

Studies by the Brennan Center call mass voter fraud a “myth,” and neither the FBI nor Trump’s own Election Integrity Commission found any evidence to suggest otherwise. Trump’s task force found no evidence of mass voter fraud—let alone at the numbers that he absurdly claimed would have given him the popular vote edge over Hillary Clinton in 2016—before it shuttered early in his tenure.

Other passages of the complaint falsely contend that Republican poll watchers have been denied access to ballot-counting.

Pennsylvania Secretary of State Boockvar debunked the claim, noting that one of the counties they sued has live video that anyone can access of the count.

“Every candidate and every political party is allowed to have an authorized representative in the room observing the process,” Boockvar said. “Some jurisdictions including Philly are also live-streaming, so you can literally watch their counting process,” Boockvar said.

The case has been assigned to U.S. District Judge Matthew Brann, a Barack Obama appointee.

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25 minutes ago, Gil Bang said:

https://lawandcrime.com/2020-election/trump-campaign-files-federal-lawsuit-seeking-to-block-pennsylvania-from-certifying-election-results/?utm_source=fark&utm_medium=website&utm_content=link&ICID=ref_fark

 

The Trump campaign filed a lawsuit on Monday seeking to block the certification of the Pennsylvania election results that tipped Joe Biden decisively across the threshold to become President-elect of the United States.

 

“Nothing less than the integrity of the 2020 Presidential election is at stake in this action,” the 85-page complaint states.

Teased out by the White House and the president’s lawyer Rudy Giuliani over the weekend, Donald J. Trump for President filed the lawsuit with two electors as co-plaintiffs: David John Henry and Lawrence Roberts.

Pennsylvania Secretary of State Kathy Boockvar, a Democrat, and seven Keystone State county boards of elections are listed as defendants. These boards come from Allegheny, Centre, Chester, Delaware, Montgomery, Northampton, and Philadelphia counties.

Before the lawsuit landed in the Middle District of Pennsylvania, Trump and his loyalists invoked the specter of mass voter fraud as a reason to contest the contest. Variations of the word “fraud” appear in the lawsuit 33 times, mostly in the context of rare prosecutions related to other elections. The only suspected instances of voter fraud cited in the complaint occurred in two Keystone State counties that voted for Trump: Fayette, where Trump is winning by a 34-point margin, and Luzerne, where his lead is 14 points.

“Fayette County experienced two different issues with their mail-in ballots leading up to Election Day,” the complaint states. “First, an issue caused by Pennsylvania’s SURE software system as to the marking of online applications submitted prior to the June primary election with the ‘permanent mail-in’ status caused some voters to receive duplicate ballots for the general election.”

Neither appears to be a clear-cut case of fraud.

One of the cases cited by the campaign relates to “at least four instances” of complaints by certain voters that they allegedly received ballots filled out for Biden, according to a news article cited by the campaign. Trump trails Biden by more than 45,000 votes in the Keystone State. Fayette County District Attorney Richard Bower is reportedly investigating that quartet of allegations.

The Luzerne County allegations relate to the Department of Justice’s controversial announcement of an investigation into “a small number” of allegedly discarded military ballots. The Justice Department had to revise its statement because they overestimated the number of ballots being investigated that were cast for Trump.

Federal prosecutors rarely announce investigations before charges are filed, amplifying allegations that Attorney General Bill Barr has been politicizing the Justice Department.

Studies by the Brennan Center call mass voter fraud a “myth,” and neither the FBI nor Trump’s own Election Integrity Commission found any evidence to suggest otherwise. Trump’s task force found no evidence of mass voter fraud—let alone at the numbers that he absurdly claimed would have given him the popular vote edge over Hillary Clinton in 2016—before it shuttered early in his tenure.

Other passages of the complaint falsely contend that Republican poll watchers have been denied access to ballot-counting.

Pennsylvania Secretary of State Boockvar debunked the claim, noting that one of the counties they sued has live video that anyone can access of the count.

“Every candidate and every political party is allowed to have an authorized representative in the room observing the process,” Boockvar said. “Some jurisdictions including Philly are also live-streaming, so you can literally watch their counting process,” Boockvar said.

The case has been assigned to U.S. District Judge Matthew Brann, a Barack Obama appointee.

That's a fairly serious case, but I'm not sure where the end game is.

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