the trump election lawsuit thread of dominance

[lemonlime 5503]

28 minutes ago, Superhero said:

My 2016 PTSD is kicking in again. There's a lot of noise out of the Trump campaign, and Democrats (as far as I see) have not been actively pushing back, relying on some members of the media and twitterverse to do their work. Problem is the Republicans are getting a lot more news coverage, and the endless lies become normalized until more people believe the bullshit.

DNC and Biden Campaign has done an absolute shit job countering QAnon bullshit, stealing the vote. socialists, etc.

I'd like them to get their hands dirty - highlight the racists, the anti-democratic, obstructionist, conniving sons of bitches the likes of Devin Nunez, Ted Cruz, William Barr, Matt Gaetz, Mitch McConnell, etc. They need to starting putting out Lincoln Project'esque ads to fucking pummel the Rs, but they are "too nice". Time to take off the kid gloves and put on the brass knuckles.

 

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/11/10/democrats-anxious-after-election-performance-435600

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‘We’re not some demonic cult’: Democrats fume over faulty messaging

House Democrats have the majority and are ripping each other to shreds. Senate Democrats fell short for the third cycle in a row, but are only grousing about getting out-messaged by Republicans.

The two caucuses are going about their soul-searching a little differently.

The fallout in the House has been swift. Though Nancy Pelosi’s speakership appears safe, the chair of House Democrats’ campaign arm, Cheri Bustos, announced Monday she wouldn’t run for another term after more than a half dozen Democratic incumbents lost their races.

Meanwhile, on Tuesday, Senate Democrats are expected to easily reelect their leadership team headed by Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.), who is in the minority at least until two Georgia Senate run-offs in January — and possibly far longer.

Still, some frustration is bubbling up in the Senate as well. Sen. Doug Jones (D-Ala.), who lost by 20 points to Republican Tommy Tuberville last week, blamed getting tied to GOP “catch-phrases” as the reason red- and purple-state Democrats took a beating.

“We’re not some demonic cult like we’re portrayed to be,” said Jones. “I was fighting the same battle that Jaime Harrison was fighting, that Mike Espy was fighting, that Cal Cunningham was fighting, that Steve Bullock was fighting. And Democrats have not been able to fully counter the Republican narrative.”

While Democrats are relieved that Joe Biden has defeated Donald Trump from the White House, their underperformance down ballot is fueling anxiety among lawmakers in both chambers — about how to govern under Biden and how to fend off more GOP attacks in 2022.

For now, many Democrats are anxiously hoping to sweep in Georgia — a steep task — before concluding this entire election cycle was a debacle for congressional Democrats.

“It ain’t over,” said Rep. Gregory Meeks (D-N.Y.), who offered to go to Georgia to explain to voters that Democrats don’t agree with liberal activists on everything. “I don’t want anyone to think that I am trying to defund the police.”

The two races in Georgia will give the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee and Schumer himself one last bite at the majority. Schumer’s fingerprints are all over Senate Democrats’ political strategy, from recruiting to DSCC ad spending to messaging. Though the party fell short in battleground states from Montana and Maine to North Carolina and Iowa, his support in the caucus remains strong.

Members love Schumer’s loyalty to them and his work ethic, factors that far outpace any private grumbling about his centralization of party leadership over the past four years and the continued relegation to the minority.

Sen. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) said no one in the party could work harder than Schumer but said: “Chuck has to understand we need to take a strong look at ourselves.”

“I’ve watched the last three elections: 2016, ‘18 and ‘20. We truly should have been in the majority and it didn’t happen,” said Manchin, who won reelection two years ago in a deep red state. “Whatever our message is, it hasn’t worked. And I would hope that our leadership from the top to bottom understands that. It has not worked. And if we’re going down that path again, we’re in trouble.”

The biggest change in the party’s leadership will likely come at the DSCC, which was run by Sen. Catherine Cortez Masto (D-Nev.) this cycle. Rep. Ben Ray Lujan (D-N.M.), who just won a Senate seat and ran the DCCC previously, is interested in the job, according to three people familiar with the matter. His office did not comment. The DSCC job is not expected to be settled on Tuesday.

Jones, the sole incumbent Democratic senator to lose, said both party campaign arms need to change their mission. He said Stacey Abrams’ work in Georgia should be a model for the party’s work in individual states, while he contends the “DSCC and DCCC spend too much time investing in candidates and not the electorate. They don’t invest in House districts, they don’t invest in states.”

Unlike Bustos, Cortez Masto was not expected to return to the gig since she’s up for reelection next year in battleground Nevada. And Bustos is likely to be the only leadership casualty in the House, with Pelosi and her two longtime deputies — Majority Leader Steny Hoyer (D-Md.) and Majority Whip Jim Clyburn (D-S.C.) — expected to easily win reelection in their leadership races next week.

But the fallout will extend far beyond stunting Bustos’ leadership ambitions. At least seven House Democrats lost their reelection — a total that could tick up to around a dozen as several tight races remain uncalled. Before the election, and echoing most election forecasters, Pelosi and Bustos had predicted the party would in fact add seats.

Now Pelosi and her team will have to balance a slim majority brimming with ideological differences and an emboldened GOP minority as they try to navigate the first months of Biden’s administration. A Democratic House is no sure thing in two years.

In the meantime, the House Democratic Caucus has broken out into a full-on food fight, with some of the most prominent progressive and moderate members openly warring with each other over the Election Day losses.

A three-hour caucus call last week turned nasty as centrists said their far-left colleagues cost them seats with progressive calls to defund the police and ban fracking. Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.) responded in the press, blasting swing district Democrats for not doing enough to shore up their own races by spending on digital advertisements and canvassing.

Now Pelosi and her team will have to balance a slim majority brimming with ideological differences and an emboldened GOP minority as they try to navigate the first months of Biden’s administration. A Democratic House is no sure thing in two years.

In the meantime, the House Democratic Caucus has broken out into a full-on food fight, with some of the most prominent progressive and moderate members openly warring with each other over the Election Day losses.

A three-hour caucus call last week turned nasty as centrists said their far-left colleagues cost them seats with progressive calls to defund the police and ban fracking. Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.) responded in the press, blasting swing district Democrats for not doing enough to shore up their own races by spending on digital advertisements and canvassing.

 

Honestly, not sure what the dems should do with this.  Treat it as ridiculous and going nowhere because it's apparent to anyone with two working brain cells that Biden won the election and the GOP is spouting nonsense.  Or take their attempted coup seriously, putting some more weight behind the attempt.

[LABEVO 928]

16 hours ago, Texaspython said:

That Jones Day ship sailed years ago. They rep a lot of the right wing shit bags in Texas. Tom Hicks, the Bushes, etc.. 

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[Gil Bang 26176]

The PA thing grinds my gears.  It wasn't just Dems that got 3 extra days, GOP voters had 3 extra days too. 

[Pato del Muerto 53331]

13 minutes ago, lemonlime said:

Honestly, not sure what the dems should do with this.  Treat it as ridiculous and going nowhere because it's apparent to anyone with two working brain cells that Biden won the election and the GOP is spouting nonsense.  Or take their attempted coup seriously, putting some more weight behind the attempt.

At least a quarter of the US population doesn’t appear to have two working brain cells. 
and if that many people are willing to believe stupid things, how many are willing to make stupid choices and take stupid actions?

Edited November 10, 2020 by Pato del Muerto

[lemonlime 5503]

This about sums up the legal side of things.

[TexasEd 8248]

2 hours ago, Bateshorn said:

Yes.

Or more directly:  The House can insist on some sort of language during CR negotiations during the next month.  But they have to be willing to shut the govenment down if the Senate refuses.

This is actually a legitimate reason to shut down as opposed to asking for wall money.

[Underdog 29101]

51 minutes ago, Gil Bang said:

The PA thing grinds my gears.  It wasn't just Dems that got 3 extra days, GOP voters had 3 extra days too. 

Someone should tweet to President Numbnuts that he should've held rallies during those 3 days. 

[DDD Dad 14571]

In for Tapa updates.

[tx 3 putt 78470]

2 hours ago, Gil Bang said:

The PA thing grinds my gears.  It wasn't just Dems that got 3 extra days, GOP voters had 3 extra days too. 

BLM was out rioting and burning buildings, scaring / intimidating  R voters !

Edited November 10, 2020 by tx 3 putt

[Mdhorn 6153]

3 hours ago, HenryJames said:

Trump should have become a televangelist.  No taxes, maintains his bully pulpit and continues to rely on blind, radicalized faith while filling his coffers.  Instead he chose real estate because he fails at everything.    

[UncleSonny 6790]

Sorry if this has been covered, I saw mentioned somewhere that thousands of ballots (I think maybe in PA) were cast with only a vote for POTUS. Obviously all Biden according to the Trumpkins. 

Is there any real reporting that there is any truth to that? And how typical is a ballot that only votes for a single race? I'm sure it happens but I'm wondering if this year is any different than the typical average. 

[ConferenceRoom 6210]

Trump should have become a televangelist.  No taxes, maintains his bully pulpit and continues to rely on blind, radicalized faith while filling his coffers.  Instead he chose real estate because he fails at everything.    

The man can barely speak.

[tantric superman 4668]

3 hours ago, lemonlime said:

Honestly, not sure what the dems should do with this.  Treat it as ridiculous and going nowhere because it's apparent to anyone with two working brain cells that Biden won the election and the GOP is spouting nonsense.  Or take their attempted coup seriously, putting some more weight behind the attempt.

Hire more lawyers.

[Rimbo 26853]

9 minutes ago, UncleSonny said:

Sorry if this has been covered, I saw mentioned somewhere that thousands of ballots (I think maybe in PA) were cast with only a vote for POTUS. Obviously all Biden according to the Trumpkins. 

Is there any real reporting that there is any truth to that? 

No.

[Royalfan5 2383]

8 minutes ago, UncleSonny said:

Sorry if this has been covered, I saw mentioned somewhere that thousands of ballots (I think maybe in PA) were cast with only a vote for POTUS. Obviously all Biden according to the Trumpkins. 

Is there any real reporting that there is any truth to that? And how typical is a ballot that only votes for a single race? I'm sure it happens but I'm wondering if this year is any different than the typical average. 

I just don't see what legal angle they want to pursue there, as it's a free fucking country, and people skip as many of the races as they feel like on their ballots.

[conVINCEd 21477]

1 minute ago, Royalfan5 said:

I just don't see what legal angle they want to pursue there, as it's a free fucking country, and people skip as many of the races as they feel like on their ballots.

There is also the possibility that there are a bunch of people who don’t give a fuck about politics and just hate trump.

[UncleSonny 6790]

1 minute ago, Royalfan5 said:

I just don't see what legal angle they want to pursue there, as it's a free fucking country, and people skip as many of the races as they feel like on their ballots.

2 minutes ago, Rimbo said:

No.

Ha, thanks. To be clear this isn't some "both sides have valid concerns, lets be open-minded" shit. Biden very clearly won the election and I don't think even a significant number of incomplete ballots would be suspicious. I'm just wondering if a single thing they are grasping at has even has a baseline in reality. 

[Brisketexan 106618]

2 minutes ago, Royalfan5 said:

I just don't see what legal angle they want to pursue there, as it's a free fucking country, and people skip as many of the races as they feel like on their ballots.

And again, this speaks to the insanely narcissist ego on Trump, and the utterly mentally deranged worldview his base has -- he is literally the only person on the planet who matters. No other person, no other race matters.  The Dems make ZERO effort to steal a SINGLE other race (local, congressional, Senatorial -- none of them).  Nope.  They are going to go through the trouble of committing layers upon layers of felonies......but only to defeat Trump.

These are people who actually believe that China released COVID...intentionally.....on the whole world.....just to hurt Trump's standing in the US.  Seriously, do you understand how much of a self-absorbed narcissist you have to be to think that a crippling global pandemic.....was started on purpose.....to hurt one man.  The fucking insanity is beyond human capacity for measurement.  There is no reasoning with people who think that way.

[Royalfan5 2383]

1 minute ago, Brisketexan said:

And again, this speaks to the insanely narcissist ego on Trump, and the utterly mentally deranged worldview his base has -- he is literally the only person on the planet who matters. No other person, no other race matters.  The Dems make ZERO effort to steal a SINGLE other race (local, congressional, Senatorial -- none of them).  Nope.  They are going to go through the trouble of committing layers upon layers of felonies......but only to defeat Trump.

These are people who actually believe that China released COVID...intentionally.....on the whole world.....just to hurt Trump's standing in the US.  Seriously, do you understand how much of a self-absorbed narcissist you have to be to think that a crippling global pandemic.....was started on purpose.....to hurt one man.  The fucking insanity is beyond human capacity for measurement.  There is no reasoning with people who think that way.

So the guy in my office clinging to this angle the hardest actually committed voter fraud since he pretends to live at his parents farm to dodge the intown wheel tax on his bro-dozer, and thus voted in the country. (Which only effects local races I guess since it didn't change his district for any federal race)

[bluto 4980]

So the guy in my office clinging to this angle the hardest actually committed voter fraud since he pretends to live at his parents farm to dodge the intown wheel tax on his bro-dozer, and thus voted in the country. (Which only effects local races I guess since it didn't change his district for any federal race)

If you were in Tx Dan Patrick would be cutting you a check!

[Homercles 10206]

5 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

Those were only preliminary rulings and they have not refused to hear anything yet.  The Pennsylvania case is pending certiorari, on a normal schedule that would put any ruling far beyond anything relevant.  That is, a response to the cert petition is due 11/25.

You can follow US Supreme Court cases on the election here.  https://www.scotusblog.com/election-litigation/

Pending...what?  Look I know I never sent you the check to follow me around and be my legal version of Peter Brand in Moneyball...but if I have to google all these Latin words to understand your posts, it’s going to take me forever. 
 

[Gil Bang 26176]

 

[Hookah Horns 3089]

19 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

That's a fairly serious case, but I'm not sure where the end game is.

Serious in what sense? It's complete horseshit, especially the requested relief. 

[Hookah Horns 3089]

6 hours ago, C-Man said:

 

Like others have said, I think even Trump knows he isn’t overtaking Biden in votes cast. He can only “win” if massive quantities of Biden votes are tossed. His main goal is discrediting and fomenting distrust in the actual election.

 

He'll claim the same shit is proven if even one Biden vote is tossed. 

[TwiceHorn 31987]

21 minutes ago, Hookah Horns said:

Serious in what sense? It's complete horseshit, especially the requested relief. 

Serious in that it isn't going to be dismissed on summary judgment or other preliminary motion.  Maybe on standing grounds.

Have you seen some of the dogshit filed by various GOP interests?  Holy fuck.  By that standard, it's super srs.

Edited November 10, 2020 by TwiceHorn

[henrygandorf 29219]

anyone who is hoping for things to quietly blow over must've forgotten that trump is still contesting the results of the election that he won 4 years ago.

[Hookah Horns 3089]

6 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Serious in that it isn't going to be dismissed on summary judgment or other preliminary motion.  Maybe on standing grounds.

I guess I'm missing something. What's different in this case from all the others? It's just a bunch of mass fraud allegations that I highly doubt survives SJ. 

The only case I'm aware of that approaches legitimacy on its face is the scotus one re: PA SC extending the deadline. But even that should be moot. 

[TwiceHorn 31987]

7 minutes ago, Hookah Horns said:

I guess I'm missing something. What's different in this case from all the others? It's just a bunch of mass fraud allegations that I highly doubt survives SJ. 

The only case I'm aware of that approaches legitimacy on its face is the scotus one re: PA SC extending the deadline. But even that should be moot. 

Maybe we're talking about different suits.  I'm talking about the one in MD Pa with the 85 p. complaint.  

It alleges a number of election irregularities, and does include the PA Supreme Court problem.  It doesn't allege fraud per se.  A couple of them are BS, I think, like the poll watchers, but they make some allegations about not following the election code that I haven't seen before that are semi-srs.

In the final analysis, it may prove to be BS too and resolved on summary judgment.  But compared to a lot of dreck that's been filed, that one appears fairly legitimate.

Being a Texas practitioner, I don't pay too much attention to requested relief, it's always an overreach.  But yeah, I think the election has to be certified first, then recounts and other assaults can take place.

Edited November 10, 2020 by TwiceHorn

[mchookem 16728]

5 hours ago, Neonmoon said:

https://time.com/5908505/trump-lawsuits-biden-wins/

 

i know i'm being lazy and could research each individually...but does anybody know the actual score on these lawsuits at this point? i think i heard they were 1-9 at some point but that was a couple of days ago...

[Hookah Horns 3089]

50 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Maybe we're talking about different suits.  I'm talking about the one in MD Pa with the 85 p. complaint.  

It alleges a number of election irregularities, and does include the PA Supreme Court problem.  It doesn't allege fraud per se.  A couple of them are BS, I think, like the poll watchers, but they make some allegations about not following the election code that I haven't seen before that are semi-srs.

In the final analysis, it may prove to be BS too and resolved on summary judgment.  But compared to a lot of dreck that's been filed, that one appears fairly legitimate.

Being a Texas practitioner, I don't pay too much attention to requested relief, it's always an overreach.  But yeah, I think the election has to be certified first, then recounts and other assaults can take place.

I probably should at least look through the complaint before reaching conclusions, but the article that was linked contains only one irregularity that  seems arguably semi-srs: 4 people receiving ballots already filled out for Biden. It's very probably bs. And even if it's not, I highly doubt anyone voted for Biden just because it was already selected on the ballot. 

What else did you see in this one that raised an eyebrow? Just wondering. 

There's also the claim that people received duplicate ballots, but I'm going to go ahead and assume PA has a procedure to prevent counting more than one vote per person. 

Edit: I just read a better article that includes the allegations about D counties allowing voters to cure mistakes on ballots. I'll have to look into that, but I doubt that PA law forbids doing that. And considering that counties all have leeway to set their own election procedures, I have a hard time seeing that being a legit equal protection claim. 

Edited November 10, 2020 by Hookah Horns

[Bama Chick 28596]

Oh. Okay.

"Jones Day is representing the Pennsylvania GOP in pending litigation brought by private parties in April 2020 and the Pennsylvania Democratic Party in August 2020. "

[Pato del Muerto 53331]

2 minutes ago, Bama Chick said:

 

 

Oh. Okay.

"Jones Day is representing the Pennsylvania GOP in pending litigation brought by private parties in April 2020 and the Pennsylvania Democratic Party in August 2020. "

 

I mean, if they are issues brought up months before the election regarding the rules of the election, they aren’t really voter fraud claims or overall election results.  

[TwiceHorn 31987]

 

1 hour ago, mchookem said:

i know i'm being lazy and could research each individually...but does anybody know the actual score on these lawsuits at this point? i think i heard they were 1-9 at some point but that was a couple of days ago...

It's really hard to tell.  A number of them were asking for immediate temporary relief (TRO, injunction against counting or certifying), that was denied.  So a loss, but not over.  Some have been dismissed after that.  Some before anything happened, maybe to be refiled in another case.

So it's hard to keep a "straight" count of W/L.

 

[Neonmoon 38130]

 

[South Austin 53154]

6 minutes ago, Neonmoon said:

Clearly it’s time for Trump to hire Urban Meyer.

[TexasEd 8248]

2 hours ago, Royalfan5 said:

So the guy in my office clinging to this angle the hardest actually committed voter fraud since he pretends to live at his parents farm to dodge the intown wheel tax on his bro-dozer, and thus voted in the country. (Which only effects local races I guess since it didn't change his district for any federal race)

Report him to Dan Patrick and claim your reward.

[Neonmoon 38130]

 

[SydneyCarton 49325]

Cross posting. Trump suit alleges fraud in two counties Trump won handily. 
 

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-pennsylvania-election-lawsuit-allege-voter-fraud-2-counties-2020-11?fbclid=IwAR1g5duVgEscf92xMfDswAUiqRxuqoBdiQNCTjxVrQhg0DGrhieN_D3mvHY

 

 

[henrygandorf 29219]

1 hour ago, Hookah Horns said:

Edit: I just read a better article that includes the allegations about D counties allowing voters to cure mistakes on ballots.

i know i've been harping on the cured ballot situation - and i don't know how many states this affects - but in my limited research, it seems that most ballots that needed to be cured were vbm, which would tell me that more d ballots needed to be cured than r ballots.  considering how ineffective and inconsistent the measures were to solve it, i would think this issue helped trump, at least in states where i read about it (nevada, georgia).

[TexasEd 8248]

1 hour ago, Hookah Horns said:

I probably should at least look through the complaint before reaching conclusions, but the article that was linked contains only one irregularity that  seems arguably semi-srs: 4 people receiving ballots already filled out for Biden. It's very probably bs. And even if it's not, I highly doubt anyone voted for Biden just because it was already selected on the ballot. 

What else did you see in this one that raised an eyebrow? Just wondering. 

There's also the claim that people received duplicate ballots, but I'm going to go ahead and assume PA has a procedure to prevent counting more than one vote per person. 

Edit: I just read a better article that includes the allegations about D counties allowing voters to cure mistakes on ballots. I'll have to look into that, but I doubt that PA law forbids doing that. And considering that counties all have leeway to set their own election procedures, I have a hard time seeing that being a legit equal protection claim. 

In the two cases above I'd bet that the first one was the poll workers passing out the "Sample Ballot" and a recycled one had a circle shaded in but not an official ballot.

The second one was known ahead of time because an Ohio printing company messed up and sent the wrong ballots to a group of people and they had to be replaced.  Original ones received were set aside to see if the person came in to vote in person or sent in the messed up one.  They had a plan approved by the state SC to deal with it.

Which leads to the 3 day stretch for receiving mail in was a part of the compromise requested by republicans for correcting the bad ballots.  So the Republicans agreed to the 3 day extension before they were against it.

[Hookah Horns 3089]

3 minutes ago, TexasEd said:

In the two cases above I'd bet that the first one was the poll workers passing out the "Sample Ballot" and a recycled one had a circle shaded in but not an official ballot.

The second one was known ahead of time because an Ohio printing company messed up and sent the wrong ballots to a group of people and they had to be replaced.  Original ones received were set aside to see if the person came in to vote in person or sent in the messed up one.  They had a plan approved by the state SC to deal with it.

Which leads to the 3 day stretch for receiving mail in was a part of the compromise requested by republicans for correcting the bad ballots.  So the Republicans agreed to the 3 day extension before they were against it.

I thought the bad ballot problem you're talking about was limited to Allegheny (Pitt). The article on this case filed Monday seems to be a separate issue, but idk. All these bs complaints and frivolous suits are getting confusing. 

[TwiceHorn 31987]

1 hour ago, Hookah Horns said:

I probably should at least look through the complaint before reaching conclusions, but the article that was linked contains only one irregularity that  seems arguably semi-srs: 4 people receiving ballots already filled out for Biden. It's very probably bs. And even if it's not, I highly doubt anyone voted for Biden just because it was already selected on the ballot. 

What else did you see in this one that raised an eyebrow? Just wondering. 

There's also the claim that people received duplicate ballots, but I'm going to go ahead and assume PA has a procedure to prevent counting more than one vote per person. 

Edit: I just read a better article that includes the allegations about D counties allowing voters to cure mistakes on ballots. I'll have to look into that, but I doubt that PA law forbids doing that. And considering that counties all have leeway to set their own election procedures, I have a hard time seeing that being a legit equal protection claim. 

It wasn't any one thing that stood out.

They allege several rather systematic non-compliances with the PA Election Code, which maybe is to be expected given major revisions in 2019 and 2020.  They aren't tied particularly to fraudulent ballots or erroneous ballots.  But in aggregate, they cast a fair amount of shade on PA election practices.

Enough to void the election?  Doubtful.  But not something lightly dismissed, if the facts line up at all as alleged.

Also, doesn't seem to be coupled to any kind of expedited relief like a preliminary injunction, so I don't know where they think they're going with it.  Maybe that's in the works.

Moot anyway since Biden doesn't need PA.

Edited November 11, 2020 by TwiceHorn

[South Austin 53154]

18 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

It wasn't any one thing that stood out.

They allege several rather systematic non-compliances with the PA Election Code, which maybe is to be expected given major revisions in 2019 and 2020.  They aren't tied particularly to fraudulent ballots or erroneous ballots.  But in aggregate, they cast a fair amount of shade on PA election practices.

Enough to void the election?  Doubtful.  But not something lightly dismissed, if the facts line up at all as alleged.

Also, doesn't seem to be coupled to any kind of expedited relief like a preliminary injunction, so I don't know where they think they're going with it.  Maybe that's in the works.

Moot anyway since Biden doesn't need PA.

*moo

[TwiceHorn 31987]

Probably the sanest way to look at this is in terms of steps.

The first step is to get the vote certified in the contested states.  Those deadlines vary, but are coming up within the next week or so.  We'll hear about it if a lawsuit is going to delay certification.

Then there will be automatic and "petitioned-for" recounts.  Those would result in some "recertification" in accordance with state laws.

Probably the acid deadline is December 14 for the meeting and vote of the electoral college.  Not much meaningful can happen after this date.

In theory, any election constests and recounts are supposed to be resolved by December 8, but I think that could drag on toward the 14th.

[Gatorubet 30631]

It wasn't any one thing that stood out.
They allege several rather systematic non-compliances with the PA Election Code, which maybe is to be expected given major revisions in 2019 and 2020.  They aren't tied particularly to fraudulent ballots or erroneous ballots.  But in aggregate, they cast a fair amount of shade on PA election practices.
Enough to void the election?  Doubtful.  But not something lightly dismissed, if the facts line up at all as alleged.
Also, doesn't seem to be coupled to any kind of expedited relief like a preliminary injunction, so I don't know where they think they're going with it.  Maybe that's in the works.
Moot anyway since Biden doesn't need PA.

They do not allege that enough votes were bad that the huge Biden numerical lead is imperiled by the much smaller basket of questionable votes - no?

[Neonmoon 38130]

 

[Dahobbs 18185]

1 hour ago, TwiceHorn said:

It wasn't any one thing that stood out.

They allege several rather systematic non-compliances with the PA Election Code, which maybe is to be expected given major revisions in 2019 and 2020.  They aren't tied particularly to fraudulent ballots or erroneous ballots.  But in aggregate, they cast a fair amount of shade on PA election practices.

Enough to void the election?  Doubtful.  But not something lightly dismissed, if the facts line up at all as alleged.

Also, doesn't seem to be coupled to any kind of expedited relief like a preliminary injunction, so I don't know where they think they're going with it.  Maybe that's in the works.

Moot anyway since Biden doesn't need PA.

I disagree with your analysis. None of the lawsuits are serious because none of them are based on actual facts. All of them were filed in bad faith based on highly dubious sources of information. Calling it a serious lawsuit gives it far more legitimacy than it deserves. The most I would say about it is that at least it isnt based on a completely nonsensical legal theories. That isn't a high bar. 

[pacman 7490]

Mass email to Trump supporters, where Trump has setup multiple "funds" to help fund voring fraud investigations and lawsuits.

Small print, 50 to 60% of the funds collected will go towards campaign debt.

 

Sucker born every second when it comes to this grifter Trump.

[Neonmoon 38130]

Seems that the main goal of these frivolous lawsuits is to attempt to slow down certification of election if possible, with secondary goal of undermining legitimacy of election for future grifting

 

 

 

[Eastwood 4394]

So it was just laid out on Hannity by Kayleigh McEnany that they are bringing a time, manner, and place argument that their poll watchers weren't allowed to properly observe the poll workers, complaining about distance and not being able to see, specifically in PA. What she didn't do is lay out what PA law is regarding poll watchers. That leads me to believe that the law itself wasn't violated, otherwise she would have said it was. Looks like they are going to march into court and basically ask for the judge to legislate from the bench and have them declare that the poll watching laws are constitutionally insufficient. That is an insanely steep hill to climb, especially if the poll watching laws have been on the books for several elections with little changes.