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49 minutes ago, Pig Bellmont said:

The bullshit talking point by many GOP is that Trump is within his legal rights to file lawsuits- but I don’t think that’s how this works. None of these suits are based in evidence or even good faith accusations of wrongdoing. The lawyers and the campaign know the lawsuits are bullshit and you simply are NOT entitled to file a lawsuit you know can’t carry water. 
 

These aren’t just frivolous or nuisance cases- they are bad faith attacks filed by people knowing they will lose. 

They're essentially behaving like a prosecutor's office seeking an indictment for murder...but there is no weapon...there are no witnesses...there is no body...there is no DNA (victim or perpetrator)...there is no suspect...there's not even a reason to believe a homicide was committed in any context. Someone told them that they may have heard someone else say something about someone they know. They essentially want to procure an indictment for the purposes of searching for a murder victim. 

That's literally not how anything works...ever, yet that's the path we're being asked to assume is just the normal course of action in the "legal process" that these con men want to pursue.

McConnell was on the floor of the senate the other day playing his "I can invoke more logical fallacies than you can and in fewer words" card, quite inarticulately I might add. One wonders if he has suffered a series of strokes in recent years. He's never been a terribly intelligent man, but his latest performances have been beyond ghastly even by his own abysmal standards.

Anyways, among others, he was using false equivalence to compare this to 2000, which he probably knows is dishonest. In 2000, the entire issue came down to a recount in one state that his party repeatedly tried to have recounts shut down and the other party really just wanted votes to be counted (like Trump does now). Like someone else said, we really and truly do not know who won Florida. As someone who lived there once put it to me, that election was run to the standards of a Colombian election in the 1990's. 

McConnell also tried to use the words of HRC as a justification. Yes, he tried to use rhetoric from a private citizen to justify these dilatory judicial tactics. In pursuing these pointless digressions, McConnell is essentially telling us "the Democrats are just as bad as we are." It seems lost on him that he's admitting that his party is bad. More importantly, I cannot for the life of me understand why people just blindly nod their heads at someone who admits that his side is bad, and apparently we need to trust them. 

This is all very poorly performed mental gymnastics, and it's quite an indictment of one's reasoning faculties to take seriously a single syllable from these fucking clowns.

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1 hour ago, Llogg said:

Every living former president should be screaming from the rooftops about this attempted coup.

Obama and Bush.  Carter is too distant of a memory for many, and Clinton....yeah, don't need to get Trump's base all geared up for the gathering storm or whatever those qanon idiots believe.

Bush because many of Trump's base probably voted for him at some point.  Obama because he took everything they slung at him, and still won two terms, and helped energize a lot of young people.

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as pointed out by someone, this is the Caine Mutiny where Queeg said the strawberries were stolen. In this case, Trump has told his staff and lawyers the election was fraudulent and stolen and it's their job to produce the evidence. they can't prove it but they can't go back to Trump with that answer. By the way, who is organizing the legal "strategy" here? Is it guiliani, someone else, or are there 1000s of lawyers working on their own?

to be clear, I assume that with 150 million ballots there are probably some instances of incorrect counts, glitches and yes maybe even fraud. However I don't believe they are material especially to the POTUS race. And let's not forget that the only recent known fraud for a federal election was the GOP operative screwing up that 2018 NC vote so badly, no one was declared the winner of a House race. If fraud occurred anywhere, its more likely it was for Trump not against him. 

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15 hours ago, BradInATX said:

See the poll earlier that shows that 80% of people believe Biden won. That makes me feel better about things.

It shouldn't surprise you that the majority of aggy as well as most of the Eyes thread on this board would fall into the other 20% of the stupidest people on the planet. 20% is a minority. It's just a very vocal, stupid minority of trailer trash. Fuck 'em.

odds on the accuracy of the poll?

(tongue-in-cheek comment... sort of)

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10 minutes ago, yoladu said:

i guess CNN can keep fucking that chicken, but Trump supporters ain't gonna listen.

True but you have to keep saying it. Sitting by quietly when people spread lies is almost as bad as stating them yourself. 

Edit: you don't have to fight anyone but if someone posts or says that "only an idiot doesn't believe that voter fraud occurred." The reply back should be that 50 secretaries of state, most of whom are GOP, have declared zero fraud in their state. And not 1 Trump attorney has produced 0 evidence in court.

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1 hour ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

as pointed out by someone, this is the Caine Mutiny where Queeg said the strawberries were stolen. In this case, Trump has told his staff and lawyers the election was fraudulent and stolen and it's their job to produce the evidence. they can't prove it but they can't go back to Trump with that answer. By the way, who is organizing the legal "strategy" here? Is it guiliani, someone else, or are there 1000s of lawyers working on their own?

to be clear, I assume that with 150 million ballots there are probably some instances of incorrect counts, glitches and yes maybe even fraud. However I don't believe they are material especially to the POTUS race. And let's not forget that the only recent known fraud for a federal election was the GOP operative screwing up that 2018 NC vote so badly, no one was declared the winner of a House race. If fraud occurred anywhere, its more likely it was for Trump not against him. 

The person who was organizing it, at least until stricken by Covid, was David Bossie, a non-lawyer and non-degreed long-time political hack who is/was a deputy campaign manager.

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Trump and his clown crew may think it’s ok to use the court system in order to wage a bullshit right wing Fox News PR campaign but I guarantee you 99 percent of judges in this country would disagree and would in fact say if that motivation was in fact proven true it merits someone being heavily sanctioned. At that point the lawyers turn on their own clients. 

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59 minutes ago, UTCzech III said:

 

I'm sure its posted here but I love the story where a PA judge was asking a Trump lawyer about how many GOP witnesses were allowed to watch the ballot counting process. The lawyer started using a term of "nonzero witnesses." The judge wouldn't let nonzero be the last word and made the lawyer admit that the GOP always always had witnesses in PA. 

How many pornstars did the President cheat with? Nonzero.

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5 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

On the one hand, it's good to let Trump flail blindly about.

On the other, would be good to have somebody calling out the bullshit, but they've got to be widely known (which rules out people like Beto and Schiff), and also not subject to crazy attacks from Trump (which rules out Beto, Pelosi, Schumer, Schiff, etc.) and somewhat independent (which rules out Pelosi, Schumer, Schiff, etc.).

Obama is the person that does that for me - he's not in office, nor running for any office.  Widely known, listened to by a lot of people.  Trump has never really been able to come up with a good attack (although I would love him to rev up the birther attacks right before the GA Senate runoffs).

 

except he was born in Kenya you libtard. /trumpkin

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1 hour ago, Amos Moses said:

You don’t even know what it is to fuck around and find out.

 

But THEY do, and they are the ones fucking around and finding out.

Perhaps... I'm more of the wish a motherfucker would type...  but fucking around and finding out is growing on me by the minute...

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3 hours ago, Beau Vine said:

Look at these stupid assholes:

 

SIAP: https://www.goerie.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/11/10/only-2-late-ballots-postmarked-nov-3-came-erie-postal-facility/6230622002/

Cliffs are in the headline. The paper also found that 9 late ballots from that post office were postmarked 11/4 or later. 

Also, this probably-insane gentleman was allegedly recently disciplined by his boss multiple times. I deduce that this whole load of shit, upon which the trump world places its hopes and dreams, is just some dumb loser's attempt to get back at said boss. 

Hilarious. 

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36 minutes ago, Gil Bang said:

 

This admin is the most competitive I've ever seen.  And by that, I mean that every person in it seems to be engaged in a herculean effort to claim the title of "dumbest fucking fuck to ever fucking walk the fucking planet."  Fucking morons, as far as the eye can see.

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(Reuters) - As President Donald Trump seeks to discredit last week’s election with baseless claims of voter fraud, his team has bombarded his supporters with requests for money to help pay for legal challenges to the results: “The Left will try to STEAL this election!” reads one text.


A supporter of U.S. President Donald Trump holds a sign during a “Stop the Steal” protest after the 2020 U.S. presidential election was called by the media for Democratic candidate Joe Biden, in front of the Arizona State Capitol in Phoenix, Arizona, U.S., November 7, 2020. REUTERS/Jim Urquhart
But any small-dollar donations from Trump’s grassroots donors won’t be going to legal expenses at all, according to a Reuters review of the legal language in the solicitations.

A donor would have to give more than $8,000 before any money goes to the “recount account” established to finance election challenges, including recounts and lawsuits over alleged improprieties, the fundraising disclosures show.

The emailed solicitations send supporters to an “Official Election Defense Fund” website that asks them to sign up for recurring donations to “protect the results and keep fighting even after Election Day.”

The fine print makes clear most of the money will go to other priorities.

A large portion of the money goes to “Save America,” a Trump leadership PAC, or political action committee, set up on Monday, and the Republican National Committee (RNC). Under Federal Election Commission rules, both groups have broad leeway in how they can use the funds.

The Trump campaign, the RNC and Trump’s new Save America PAC did not respond to requests for comment.

Leadership PACs such as Save America are often set up by prominent political figures to spend money on other candidates, while also paying for personal expenses, such as travel and hotel stays.

The disclosures would allow Trump and the RNC to channel the donations into other political causes or campaigns, such as the two high-stakes January Senate runoff races in Georgia that could determine control of the Senate and are likely to rank among the most expensive races in U.S. history.

Trump’s solicitation website carries a banner headline that says “OFFICIAL ELECTION DEFENSE FUND” and “CONTRIBUTE NOW.”

Scrolling down the page would take a donor to the fine print, which shows that donations are split between “Save America,” which gets 60% of the money, and the RNC, which gets the other 40%. None of the money flows to Trump’s official “recount” committee fund until Trump’s Save America share reaches the legal contribution limit of $5,000, according to the disclosures.

That means that, before a dollar goes into the recount fund, Save America would receive $5,000 and the RNC around $3,300. Donations to the recount committee are legally limited to $2,800.

If a Trump donor gave $500, for instance, $300 would go to Trump’s Save America PAC, $200 would to the RNC - and nothing would go to his election defense fund.

One Republican political strategist said Trump is misleading supporters who might give small donations to whatever cause he approves.

“It’s important to be up front with people - especially those who are digging deep into their pockets to come up with $25,” said Michael DuHaime, a former political director at the RNC. “If you tell them it’s going for legal fees, well then it should go for legal fees.”


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Darrell Scott, an Ohio pastor who helped found the National Diversity Coalition for Trump and served on the president’s 2016 transition team, says he sees no problems with diverting the money to the leadership PAC or the RNC.

“I see this as two pockets on the same pair of pants. It doesn’t matter if it goes into the left or the right pocket,” Scott said. “In the end, the money will be used for a legitimate purpose that his supporters will get behind.”

FLURRY OF LAWSUITS

 

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1 hour ago, Brisketexan said:

This admin is the most competitive I've ever seen.  And by that, I mean that every person in it seems to be engaged in a herculean effort to claim the title of "dumbest fucking fuck to ever fucking walk the fucking planet."  Fucking morons, as far as the eye can see.

You call them dumb.  I call them corrupt.

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3 minutes ago, Firemans4Horn said:

Inject this Detroit energy into my veins. 
 

 

Snowflakes gonna snowflake.

There are no bigger victims with more grievances than the modern day republican party. Back in the day we would have called them all a bunch of pussies. But I guess that ain’t pc no more.  Just like how they got rid of Christmas.

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7 hours ago, JimmyJames said:

There’s a 100 percent better chance of trumps lawyers being sanctioned for all this nonsense than any of it effecting the election. At that point the lawyers under threat of sanction will start pointing the finger at Rudy and trump. 

100% of 0 is still 0

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Just now, Gil Bang said:

 

That’s a well very respected firm based out of Arizona. My experience with them is they are constantly traveling all over the country monitoring litigation against ford motor company and various defense of western located discrimination claims. White shoe defense firm with very good litigators. This news is not surprising.

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3 minutes ago, JimmyJames said:

Interesting they withdrew the day after the lawsuit was filed. That signals a failure to communicate with certain partners with the firm at large. Especially since other firms are still involved. 

The Jones Day PR damage was legit 

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6 hours ago, Firemans4Horn said:

 

The message to the public is about grifting them for more money. I also imagine that the campaign will not pay the lawyers, and they’re looking for patriotic lawyers who will work for free. Take in money but don’t spend it.

Arizona is in the bag for Biden. Trump may squeak out another couple net thousand votes but not enough to get below the 200 threshold for a recount. And Arizona doesn’t allow for any requested recounts. They don’t have time for that bs.

So we’re at a point that trump needs to flip some combination of 2-3 states to win, and that even if you give him GA’s recount which looks unlikely.

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