the trump election lawsuit thread of dominance

[South Austin 53154]

1 minute ago, bluto said:

Wisky has 51/72 counties audited finding a few hundred errors across the counties, netting Biden a hundred or so votes.

https://www.tmj4.com/news/election-2020/51-of-72-wisconsin-counties-complete-canvasses-resulting-in-minor-vote-shift

So there was fraud that cheated Biden out of those extra 100 votes!

[BrickHorn 18424]

3 minutes ago, South Austin said:

So there was fraud that cheated Biden out of those extra 100 votes!

Lt. Gov. Patrick: I would like my $100 million, please.

[DDD Dad 14571]

(Reuters) - As President Donald Trump seeks to discredit last week’s election with baseless claims of voter fraud, his team has bombarded his supporters with requests for money to help pay for legal challenges to the results: “The Left will try to STEAL this election!” reads one text.

A supporter of U.S. President Donald Trump holds a sign during a “Stop the Steal” protest after the 2020 U.S. presidential election was called by the media for Democratic candidate Joe Biden, in front of the Arizona State Capitol in Phoenix, Arizona, U.S., November 7, 2020. REUTERS/Jim Urquhart
But any small-dollar donations from Trump’s grassroots donors won’t be going to legal expenses at all, according to a Reuters review of the legal language in the solicitations.
A donor would have to give more than $8,000 before any money goes to the “recount account” established to finance election challenges, including recounts and lawsuits over alleged improprieties, the fundraising disclosures show.
The emailed solicitations send supporters to an “Official Election Defense Fund” website that asks them to sign up for recurring donations to “protect the results and keep fighting even after Election Day.”
The fine print makes clear most of the money will go to other priorities.
A large portion of the money goes to “Save America,” a Trump leadership PAC, or political action committee, set up on Monday, and the Republican National Committee (RNC). Under Federal Election Commission rules, both groups have broad leeway in how they can use the funds.
The Trump campaign, the RNC and Trump’s new Save America PAC did not respond to requests for comment.
Leadership PACs such as Save America are often set up by prominent political figures to spend money on other candidates, while also paying for personal expenses, such as travel and hotel stays.
The disclosures would allow Trump and the RNC to channel the donations into other political causes or campaigns, such as the two high-stakes January Senate runoff races in Georgia that could determine control of the Senate and are likely to rank among the most expensive races in U.S. history.
Trump’s solicitation website carries a banner headline that says “OFFICIAL ELECTION DEFENSE FUND” and “CONTRIBUTE NOW.”
Scrolling down the page would take a donor to the fine print, which shows that donations are split between “Save America,” which gets 60% of the money, and the RNC, which gets the other 40%. None of the money flows to Trump’s official “recount” committee fund until Trump’s Save America share reaches the legal contribution limit of $5,000, according to the disclosures.
That means that, before a dollar goes into the recount fund, Save America would receive $5,000 and the RNC around $3,300. Donations to the recount committee are legally limited to $2,800.
If a Trump donor gave $500, for instance, $300 would go to Trump’s Save America PAC, $200 would to the RNC - and nothing would go to his election defense fund.
One Republican political strategist said Trump is misleading supporters who might give small donations to whatever cause he approves.
“It’s important to be up front with people - especially those who are digging deep into their pockets to come up with $25,” said Michael DuHaime, a former political director at the RNC. “If you tell them it’s going for legal fees, well then it should go for legal fees.”

Slideshow ( 3 images )
Darrell Scott, an Ohio pastor who helped found the National Diversity Coalition for Trump and served on the president’s 2016 transition team, says he sees no problems with diverting the money to the leadership PAC or the RNC.
“I see this as two pockets on the same pair of pants. It doesn’t matter if it goes into the left or the right pocket,” Scott said. “In the end, the money will be used for a legitimate purpose that his supporters will get behind.”
FLURRY OF LAWSUITS

 

Sure would be a shame if Jones Day et al. didn’t get paid up front.

[DDD Dad 14571]

(Reuters) - As President Donald Trump seeks to discredit last week’s election with baseless claims of voter fraud, his team has bombarded his supporters with requests for money to help pay for legal challenges to the results: “The Left will try to STEAL this election!” reads one text.

A supporter of U.S. President Donald Trump holds a sign during a “Stop the Steal” protest after the 2020 U.S. presidential election was called by the media for Democratic candidate Joe Biden, in front of the Arizona State Capitol in Phoenix, Arizona, U.S., November 7, 2020. REUTERS/Jim Urquhart
But any small-dollar donations from Trump’s grassroots donors won’t be going to legal expenses at all, according to a Reuters review of the legal language in the solicitations.
A donor would have to give more than $8,000 before any money goes to the “recount account” established to finance election challenges, including recounts and lawsuits over alleged improprieties, the fundraising disclosures show.
The emailed solicitations send supporters to an “Official Election Defense Fund” website that asks them to sign up for recurring donations to “protect the results and keep fighting even after Election Day.”
The fine print makes clear most of the money will go to other priorities.
A large portion of the money goes to “Save America,” a Trump leadership PAC, or political action committee, set up on Monday, and the Republican National Committee (RNC). Under Federal Election Commission rules, both groups have broad leeway in how they can use the funds.
The Trump campaign, the RNC and Trump’s new Save America PAC did not respond to requests for comment.
Leadership PACs such as Save America are often set up by prominent political figures to spend money on other candidates, while also paying for personal expenses, such as travel and hotel stays.
The disclosures would allow Trump and the RNC to channel the donations into other political causes or campaigns, such as the two high-stakes January Senate runoff races in Georgia that could determine control of the Senate and are likely to rank among the most expensive races in U.S. history.
Trump’s solicitation website carries a banner headline that says “OFFICIAL ELECTION DEFENSE FUND” and “CONTRIBUTE NOW.”
Scrolling down the page would take a donor to the fine print, which shows that donations are split between “Save America,” which gets 60% of the money, and the RNC, which gets the other 40%. None of the money flows to Trump’s official “recount” committee fund until Trump’s Save America share reaches the legal contribution limit of $5,000, according to the disclosures.
That means that, before a dollar goes into the recount fund, Save America would receive $5,000 and the RNC around $3,300. Donations to the recount committee are legally limited to $2,800.
If a Trump donor gave $500, for instance, $300 would go to Trump’s Save America PAC, $200 would to the RNC - and nothing would go to his election defense fund.
One Republican political strategist said Trump is misleading supporters who might give small donations to whatever cause he approves.
“It’s important to be up front with people - especially those who are digging deep into their pockets to come up with $25,” said Michael DuHaime, a former political director at the RNC. “If you tell them it’s going for legal fees, well then it should go for legal fees.”

Slideshow ( 3 images )
Darrell Scott, an Ohio pastor who helped found the National Diversity Coalition for Trump and served on the president’s 2016 transition team, says he sees no problems with diverting the money to the leadership PAC or the RNC.
“I see this as two pockets on the same pair of pants. It doesn’t matter if it goes into the left or the right pocket,” Scott said. “In the end, the money will be used for a legitimate purpose that his supporters will get behind.”
FLURRY OF LAWSUITS

 

Sure would be a shame if Jones Day et al. didn’t get paid up front.

[TwiceHorn 31987]

1 minute ago, DDD Dad said:

 

Sure would be a shame if Jones Day et al. didn’t get paid up front.

There's probably a reason they are representing entities like the RNC that are a few steps removed from Trump, and it's not just fear of Trump association.

Frankly, I'm kind of surprised these BigLaw firms have political/election law sections at all.  While a lot of that can go on on the QT (Ben Ginsberg was the Jones Day guy and I bet most had never heard of him before), the risks of something blowing up seem huge.  Plus, it seems like a big firm might be a hindrance to the practice with conflicts and whatnot.  Seems to have a lot in common with criminal defense practice in that regard (other than "white collar investigations").

You'd think the big politicos would either be in boutiques or with firms that have a heavy lobbying presence and partisan affiliation already (Patton Boggs, Akin Grump).

[HenryJames 67116]

 

['stache 22117]

38 minutes ago, HenryJames said:

 

Maybe they’re just mostly dead and their votes should count less?

[atomheartbevo 90546]

1 hour ago, bluto said:

Wisky has 51/72 counties audited finding a few hundred errors across the counties, netting Biden a hundred or so votes.

https://www.tmj4.com/news/election-2020/51-of-72-wisconsin-counties-complete-canvasses-resulting-in-minor-vote-shift

1 hour ago, Neonmoon said:

Thanks for the recount Donald!

Trump:  STOP AUDITING!  STOP THE ILLEGAL AUDIT!  ONLY COUNT LEGAL AUDITS!

 

 

[atomheartbevo 90546]

11 hours ago, Sawbonz said:

Some cunt is rotten in the state of Denmark

She's pretty hot for a rich 60 year-old. 

[Kel Varnsen 8682]

I'm dead on the inside so maybe there's that.

[Beantown Express 2.0 6586]

17 minutes ago, 'stache said:

Maybe they’re just mostly dead and their votes should count less?

What color are they?  I am sure we can come up with a fraction as a way to count their votes.  Something like 3/5ths of a vote.  

[Tuco 5093]

1 hour ago, TwiceHorn said:

There's probably a reason they are representing entities like the RNC that are a few steps removed from Trump, and it's not just fear of Trump association.

Frankly, I'm kind of surprised these BigLaw firms have political/election law sections at all.  While a lot of that can go on on the QT (Ben Ginsberg was the Jones Day guy and I bet most had never heard of him before), the risks of something blowing up seem huge.  Plus, it seems like a big firm might be a hindrance to the practice with conflicts and whatnot.  Seems to have a lot in common with criminal defense practice in that regard (other than "white collar investigations").

You'd think the big politicos would either be in boutiques or with firms that have a heavy lobbying presence and partisan affiliation already (Patton Boggs, Akin Grump).

I wouldn't think the work was consistent enough for a small firm to specialize in it.  Having a slug of work come through for a frantic 1-2 months ever two years would be hard to staff for.  With a big firm, you could have a few specialists that lead and direct more generic resources when you need it.  

[High Plains Drifter 11161]

3 hours ago, bluto said:

Wisky has 51/72 counties audited finding a few hundred errors across the counties, netting Biden a hundred or so votes.

https://www.tmj4.com/news/election-2020/51-of-72-wisconsin-counties-complete-canvasses-resulting-in-minor-vote-shift

 

Stop the recount!!

 

edit: dammit Atom

 

Edited November 12, 2020 by High Plains Drifter

[TwiceHorn 31987]

2 hours ago, Tuco said:

I wouldn't think the work was consistent enough for a small firm to specialize in it.  Having a slug of work come through for a frantic 1-2 months ever two years would be hard to staff for.  With a big firm, you could have a few specialists that lead and direct more generic resources when you need it.  

Well, that is true, but I assume there is something that keeps them fairly busy year-round that would sustain a boutique, too.

While BigLaw can support a practice that doesn't generate year-round revenue, you better believe they aren't happy about it.

There were very few patent lawyers in BigLaw until patent litigation completely exploded.  That wasn't a revenue timing problem, just a reflection that patent law can't sustain monstrous revenues at $1000+/hour absent massive litigation.  There's little or no insurance defense in BigLaw for similar reasons.

Edited November 12, 2020 by TwiceHorn

[Saint Tacky 1647]

6 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

There were very few patent lawyers in BigLaw until patent litigation completely exploded.  That wasn't a revenue timing problem, just a reflection that patent law can't sustain monstrous revenues at $1000+/hour absent massive litigation.  There's little or no insurance defense in BigLaw for similar reasons.

Same with bankruptcy sections. Chief Judge David Jones of the Southern District of Texas just authored an article on the pandemic and resulting bankruptcies exposing a lack of qualified lawyers in the bankruptcy bar. Just not enough business after the dust settles between Republican administrations 🙂

[Dahobbs 18190]

1 minute ago, Saint Tacky said:

Same with bankruptcy sections. Chief Judge David Jones of the Southern District of Texas just authored an article on the pandemic and resulting bankruptcies exposing a lack of qualified lawyers in the bankruptcy bar. Just not enough business after the dust settles between Republican administrations 🙂

I'm still not sure how consumer bankruptcy attorneys actually get paid. 

[Saint Tacky 1647]

1 minute ago, Dahobbs said:

I'm still not sure how consumer bankruptcy attorneys actually get paid. 

There are stringent restrictions and oversight built in to the process. I see the same 3 or 4 firms on each and every notice I get. I presume those that can do it in bulk can make a living at it. But, not many.

[APMP 688]

 

I think Snell is or at least was Ed Hochuli's firm when he wasn't flexing on the gridiron.

[TwiceHorn 31987]

19 minutes ago, Dahobbs said:

I'm still not sure how consumer bankruptcy attorneys actually get paid. 

 

16 minutes ago, Saint Tacky said:

There are stringent restrictions and oversight built in to the process. I see the same 3 or 4 firms on each and every notice I get. I presume those that can do it in bulk can make a living at it. But, not many.

I dabbled in bankruptcy during my stint as a general practice lawyer.  Almost exclusively business 7s, with an occasional oddball personal with some extenuating circumstances pre-reform.  And a bit of creditor work.

The 13 machines are fascinating.  You really have to be on your administrative game to make it work.  And a fair number build pretty high-volume practices without adequate infrastructure and get into doo-doo with the courts and their clients.

The key thing on 13, other than satisfying your ethical obligations, is having your idiot clients (I have some sympathy for consumer bankruptcy filers, but let's get real) make enough plan payments to get you at least partially paid before getting dismissed.

Edited November 12, 2020 by TwiceHorn

[TwiceHorn 31987]

15 minutes ago, Saint Tacky said:

Same with bankruptcy sections. Chief Judge David Jones of the Southern District of Texas just authored an article on the pandemic and resulting bankruptcies exposing a lack of qualified lawyers in the bankruptcy bar. Just not enough business after the dust settles between Republican administrations 🙂

One of my best buddies in law school started with Weil Gotshal in Houston, but he was partnered up with a/the BK guy in NY on the Circle K thing.

He got kind of crossways with the Houston office management as a result and wasn't long for their world.

The coastal cities, and I guess NY in particular, really drive biglaw bankruptcy practices.

[Gatorubet 30631]

The key thing on 13, other than satisfying your ethical obligations, is having your idiot clients (I have some sympathy for consumer bankruptcy filers, but let's get real) make enough plan payments to get you at least partially paid before getting dismissed.

This man has done 13s. I did some non-commercial 7 and 13s after Katrina, and I eventually asked folks to pay half the fees up front for 13s, as many folks just filed because they wanted a stay until they could move their stuff and get a few free months of no mortgage payments until the next foreclosure.

[Gil Bang 26176]

50 minutes ago, Gatorubet said:

This man has done 13s. I did some non-commercial 7 and 13s after Katrina, and I eventually asked folks to pay half the fees up front for 13s, as many folks just filed because they wanted a stay until they could move their stuff and get a few free months of no mortgage payments until the next foreclosure.

As a former bank asset manager, I can confirm that this happens often.  

[HenryJames 67116]

 

[Brisketexan 106618]

Just now, HenryJames said:

 

I mean.....these fucking people......Total.  Fucking.  GOAT.  RODEO.

And this lawyer, Thor?  He's tho fucking thtupid.  THO FUCKING THTUPID.

[Nice Guy Eddie 13707]

19 minutes ago, HenryJames said:

 

when you get men like Briscoe Cain on the case, its amazing these problems occur

[hpslugga 4096]

21 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

I mean.....these fucking people......Total.  Fucking.  GOAT.  RODEO.

And this lawyer, Thor?  He's tho fucking thtupid.  THO FUCKING THTUPID.

Is his last name Buttockth?

[Loch Ness Monster 3533]

 

[henrygandorf 29219]

6 hours ago, HenryJames said:

 

good thing the trump campaign is fucking broke, or i would worry about them following through on making sure some of these "dead" people actually die.

watch your back, donna.

[Pato del Muerto 53331]

3 minutes ago, Loch Ness Monster said:

 

Not even worth fighting that one any further I wouldn’t think. 
if you can’t prove your identity by a week after the election, that’s on you that your vote doesn’t count. 

Edited November 12, 2020 by Pato del Muerto

[mdmost 43850]

They hadn't counted those set aside votes yet anyway, right?

[Lagunamadre 1975]

4 minutes ago, Loch Ness Monster said:

 

Do I understand it correctly that this applies to the "segregated" ballots only and those segregated ballots are not currently being counted in Biden's 50K vote lead? So it's a moot point as to the outcome of PA? 

[The Dog 44771]

6 minutes ago, Lagunamadre said:

Do I understand it correctly that this applies to the "segregated" ballots only and those segregated ballots are not currently being counted in Biden's 50K vote lead? So it's a moot point as to the outcome of PA? 

Yes and they haven't been counted yet. 

[DDD Dad 14571]

7 minutes ago, Lagunamadre said:

Do I understand it correctly that this applies to the "segregated" ballots only and those segregated ballots are not currently being counted in Biden's 50K vote lead? So it's a moot point as to the outcome of PA? 

From the language of the order it appears that way (B of E is "enjoined from counting any ballots that have been segregated....")

[Pato del Muerto 53331]

Segregated?  Your honor, Brown v Board of Ed CLEARLY states...

[Dutchrudder 11228]

24 minutes ago, Loch Ness Monster said:

 

Any idea how many ballots that will impact?

[The Dog 44771]

2 minutes ago, Dutchrudder said:

Any idea how many ballots that will impact?

IIRC it's like 10k or so. Not enough to matter.

[SydneyCarton 49325]

28 minutes ago, Loch Ness Monster said:

 

 

Not those votes that don't even fucking matter!

[Continental Op 3934]

6 minutes ago, Dutchrudder said:

Any idea how many ballots that will impact?

Tree fiddy.

[TwiceHorn 31987]

1 hour ago, Brisketexan said:

I mean.....these fucking people......Total.  Fucking.  GOAT.  RODEO.

And this lawyer, Thor?  He's tho fucking thtupid.  THO FUCKING THTUPID.

Seems so.  Strangely, in the PACER entry, it says USA as the defendant.

I looked up ol Thor, and he seems to do a lot of federal eminent domain defense stuff.  So maybe one of his admin people had a brain cramp and went to where they usually file stuff.

[TwiceHorn 31987]

9 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

 

Not those votes that don't even fucking matter!

President Judge?

Ironic.  I dunno, maybe in peeay, the presiding judge is called the president judge.

[Tuco 5093]

34 minutes ago, Dutchrudder said:

Any idea how many ballots that will impact?

Zero that had already been counted when Pa was called.

This is not related to those delivered after Nov 3 and were ordered to be segregated.  These are ballots that were sent in without proof of ID.  If they don't have proof of ID, they aren't counted.  But, for faulty ballots, there is a 6 day grace period where the voter can provide proof of id, which would allow them to be counted.  The SOS must have extended that grace period, despite it being clearly written out in the statute.  So, it would have affected the ability of anyone that hadn't cured their faulty ballots by Monday, but were planning on curing their ballots after Monday.  In other words, not very many ballots. Keep in mind, Pa got called on Saturday.  

[Tuco 5093]

Follow-up: it looks like 2100 ballots in Philly had ID issues as of yesterday.  The SOS had tried to extend the deadline three days, so they would need to have been cured by today.  The article does not mention if any had been cured on Tuesday or Wednesday, but those would have been tossed. 

link

[Brisketexan 106618]

2 minutes ago, Tuco said:

Follow-up: it looks like 2100 ballots in Philly had ID issues as of yesterday.  The SOS had tried to extend the deadline three days, so they would need to have been cured by today.  The article does not mention if any had been cured on Tuesday or Wednesday, but those would have been tossed. 

link

This makes no sense.  I mean, I have been told, REPEATEDLY, that the Trump team wants all legal ballots counted, and all illegal ballots thrown out. If some of those are indeed legal ballots, why do they oppose taking as much time as necessary to determine that question?  If cutting off the deadline means that legal ballots are not counted, that goes against the very principle they've been shouting from the mountaintops.

Are you trying to insinuate that Trumpkins are sociopathic liars?  ARE YOU?

[Pig Bellmont 8867]

2 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

I mean.....these fucking people......Total.  Fucking.  GOAT.  RODEO.

And this lawyer, Thor?  He's tho fucking thtupid.  THO FUCKING THTUPID.

This Arizona lawsuit is a clown show. Holy shit. 
 

Testimony from witnesses did not quite stand up through cross examination 

[The Dog 44771]

I'm no lawyer so maybe one of you can explain it to me.

What benefit is there for these lawyers to continue this (as in benefit to themselves)? This is getting beyond absurd. 

[Neonmoon 38130]

 

[South Austin 53154]

You all are insulting the dignity of clown shows and goat rodeos. 

[Pato del Muerto 53331]

9 minutes ago, Pig Bellmont said:

This Arizona lawsuit is a clown show. Holy shit. 
 

Testimony from witnesses did not quite stand up through cross examination 

Please tell me the lawyers then showed them proof that their vote was counted.

[TwiceHorn 31987]

2 minutes ago, The Dog said:

I'm no lawyer so maybe one of you can explain it to me.

What benefit is there for these lawyers to continue this (as in benefit to themselves)? This is getting beyond absurd. 

Firstly, they are being instructed (the very fine British term) by an insane group of clients in Trump and his lackeys.

Secondly, it can be very difficult to dissuade an insane client.  These things can be justified under the Gretzky principle:  you miss 100% of the shots you don't take.

Thirdly, time is of the essence, so it's even harder to delay an ill-founded suit until evidence develops, which is one way of dissuading an insane client.

Fourth, "we need the dues (fees)."

[Pig Bellmont 8867]

3 minutes ago, Neonmoon said:

 

This is pure bad faith. Absolutely zero chance of success