Parler = Trumpkin Facebook....?

[Parliament 14138]

So Parler is (was?) to social media what the Fyre Festival was to raves?

[Nice Guy Eddie 13414]

The parler ceo claiming that he didn’t realize that the warnings and take-down threats from Big Tech were serious.

[Left Coast 863]

1 hour ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

The parler ceo claiming that he didn’t realize that the warnings and take-down threats from Big Tech were serious.

Interesting. Same defense my 4 year old uses after we take away his iPad if he doesn’t do what we tell him.

[Biff Tannen 45495]

1 hour ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

The parler ceo claiming that he didn’t realize that the warnings and take-down threats from Big Tech were serious.

George Costanza defense. 

[BearSchlong 8077]

Props to the PB founder calling them out.
We could have a nuclear war, and be reduced to pockets of barely functioning little towns with some solar panels and generators and wind turbines providing power, and those Pirate Bay motherfuckers are going to figure out how to get PB back online.

I've engineered and sold 100 Gb circuits for prefab data centers that are 10 miles from the closest road and are powered by gas and solar. Full HVAC, underground diverse route/path fiber, UPS/DC conditioned power. Not hard at all. People overlook energy/utility easements. You guys in O&G know what I'm talking about.

[Homercles 10205]

Yeah a guy I used to be good friends with 15 years ago, who I helped hire and got me into motorcycling...has steadily gone off the deep end.  
 

He first broke from our circle of friends by insisting on starting a real MC, with all that entails (all the informal rules in Texas set by the Bandidos like no Texas rocker, pay dues to the council of clubs which is a semi-front for them to finance, the whole hierarchy bit, etc) when we just wanted a basic RG with none of that BS...eventually went all-in on that somewhat fringe world and left all his past friends behind.  They were headed to Waco when all that dumbass mess went down.  
 

Last year he was posting random Q nonsense about big things coming, evil MSM, etc.  Then one day he posted his Parler handle and thankfully kept that mess off Facebook, which I rarely check anyways but had to hide his posts for awhile to keep myself from engaging.  Now with Parler offline he’s back to spouting that mess on FB. 
 

Point being I think some people are just susceptible to shit like this and have endless confirmation bias via social media that let them attempt to live out their fantasy world.  In the case of my friend, he will just bounce from one platform to another but I hope that a ‘more moderated’ place like FB will keep him from actually taking up arms against the government since he won’t be surrounded by clowns with free reign to egg him on.  Eventually he will burn out and move onto his next obsession.  
 

Sorry for the novel.  

Edited January 17, 2021 by Homercles

[Bozo_Casanova 26281]

What could go wrong?

 

[cactusflinthead 27594]

 

[Brisketexan 104620]

Trumpkins, explaining their use of a front for a foreign intelligence service to plot [checks notes] attacks against the United States: "we didn't want to do it!  You made us do it!"

If y'all haven't figured out that the mindset of Trumpkins is exactly that of an abusive spouse, blaming the victim of the abuse for making them do horrific things, then you're REALLY fucking slow.

It's sick, psychotic shit, and remember this -- always remember this, NEVER forget it -- it is the MAINSTREAM of Republican thinking.  The GOP is an abusive, violent, nihilist death cult terrorist movement.  Anything else it ever was or ever claimed to be is long gone.

There is no Donald Sutherland left, only...

[Blotto 23434]

Ha. bunch of patriots discussing the over throw of the US government on Russian servers. 2021 simulation getting off to a fast start. 

[cactusflinthead 27594]

 

[Underdog 28457]

So basically ended up where they wanted to...  the motherland. 

[Wanker Bob 379]

I'm beginning to really think freedom of speech might not hold up in the smart phone social media age when dangerous and stupid propaganda infects otherwise seemingly normal people like the worst of viruses. We're creating our own zombie apocalypse. Zombies comprised of mentally and morally dead hatred filled rubes. 

[TwiceHorn 31279]

8 minutes ago, Wanker Bob said:

I'm beginning to really think freedom of speech might not hold up in the smart phone social media age when dangerous and stupid propaganda infects otherwise seemingly normal people like the worst of viruses. We're creating our own zombie apocalypse. Zombies comprised of mentally and morally dead hatred filled rubes. 

Well, in prior "information revolutions," (printing press, radio, tv), the poors and ignorants could not initially access and were phased in.

Now, they're not only not phased in, they create and control the content.

[Biff Tannen 45495]

35 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Well, in prior "information revolutions," (printing press, radio, tv), the poors and ignorants could not initially access and were phased in.

Now, they're not only not phased in, they create and control the content.

Regulate the fuck out of it.  That is the only answer.  Yeah, we are going to have some first amendment issues.  Going to have to deal with it.  This can't continue in its current form.

[atomheartbevo 89447]

7 hours ago, Blotto said:

Ha. bunch of patriots discussing the over throw of the US government on Russian servers. 2021 simulation getting off to a fast start. 

No, more likely a bunch of Russian intelligence stirring up those "patriots" to attack the US government.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23356]

SHOCKED I TELL YOU! Shocked

[Longhorn_Fan68 33843]

lol

 

Edited January 21, 2021 by Longhorn_Fan68

[Mrs Whiggins 13049]

I know this has mostly been Parler/Facebook, but here is some more regarding Gab. Judging by the flood of sign ups they've had and that it appears to run a lot more smoothly than Parler ever did, this place really does bear watching for new radicalization, propaganda, and sanitary bubble. I've spoilered the screens because it is pretty nasty, but those angry upset people are going to find a home there for the hate they like to express. What I don't know is if it will make some uncomfortable enough that they will leave, or if it reaches enough mass that it will be not unlike Twitter. The owner of Gab pushing the Christian nationalist white patriarchy bit may come in play here.

Again, if you don't want to read hate speech, avoid the spoiler.

Spoiler

 

Edited January 21, 2021 by Mrs Whiggins
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[Guadaloopy 10924]

On 1/17/2021 at 7:46 AM, Nice Guy Eddie said:

The parler ceo claiming that he didn’t realize that the warnings and take-down threats from Big Tech were serious.

[TexasEd 8064]

On 1/18/2021 at 2:38 PM, cactusflinthead said:

 

 

Now the Russian social engineers have the platform and the user data.  LoL

[Francisco 2.0 32338]

Thoughts and prayers.

 

https://www.wsj.com/articles/parler-ceo-says-he-was-fired-by-conservative-political-donor-rebekah-mercer-11612397380

 

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Parler, a moderation-light social media platform that was forced offline last month by tech giants over how it policed its content, has fired its chief executive.

John Matze, the former CEO, said he was fired on Friday by the company’s board. He said the board is currently controlled by conservative political donor Rebekah Mercer.

 

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“Over the past few months, I’ve met constant resistance to my product vision, my strong belief in free speech and my view of how the Parler site should be managed,” he said in a statement. “For example, I advocated for more product stability and what I believe is a more effective approach to content moderation.”

The immediate impact on Parler’s efforts to restore service to its roughly 15 million users isn’t clear, though a person familiar with the company said that Mr. Matze had been responsible for creating Parler’s original code.

Representatives for Parler and Ms. Mercer couldn’t be reached for comment.

 

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Mr. Matze initially said he hoped to bring the service back online within a few weeks, though Parler hasn’t publicly reported progress.

“Over the past few weeks, I have worked endless hours and fought constant battles to get the Parler site running, but at this point, the future of Parler is no longer in my hands,” Mr. Matze said. 

Ms. Mercer, daughter of hedge-fund investor Robert Mercer, is among the company’s financial backers, the Journal reported in November. The Mercers have previously financed a number of conservative causes.

 

[Nice Guy Eddie 13414]

Not too surprising that he’s been fired after failing to get the site back running. I could never tell if he was a far right believer or just had a false dream of an online utopia that could police itself. On the latter, it’s hard to police yourself of violent posts when a good-sized percent of your user base agree with the violence.

[Guest Lobo]

Yeah, my online message board about the perils of drugs and alcohol that I completely populated with people I used to party with never really took off.  

[Post Oak 20184]

On 1/21/2021 at 4:58 PM, TexasEd said:

 

Now the Russian social engineers have the platform and the user data.  LoL

You've gotta think Vlad never in his wildest dreams thought it would be this easy.

[atomheartbevo 89447]

2 hours ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

Not too surprising that he’s been fired after failing to get the site back running. I could never tell if he was a far right believer or just had a false dream of an online utopia that could police itself. On the latter, it’s hard to police yourself of violent posts when a good-sized percent of your user base agree with the violence.

While it's probably a little of A) and a little of B), I also think he was hoping to make a cash grab with a mini version of twitter/Facebook.

 

[Francisco 2.0 32338]

 

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/ryanmac/trump-parler-ownership

 

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The Trump Organization negotiated on behalf of then-president Donald Trump to make Parler his primary social network, but it had a condition: an ownership stake in return for joining, according to documents and four people familiar with the conversations. The deal was never finalized, but legal experts said the discussions alone, which occurred while Trump was still in office, raise legal concerns with regards to anti-bribery laws.

Talks between members of Trump’s campaign and Parler about Trump’s potential involvement began last summer, and were revisited in November by the Trump Organization after Trump lost the 2020 election to the Democratic nominee and current president, Joe Biden. Documents seen by BuzzFeed News show that Parler offered the Trump Organization a 40% stake in the company. It is unclear as to what extent the former president was involved with the discussions.

 

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The never-before-reported talks between Trump’s business organization and Parler, a social media network that promises less moderation than mainstream sites and is embraced by the far right, provide more insight into the frantic last weeks of Trump’s presidency. Until the Jan. 6 insurrection, after which Facebook and Twitter suspended or banned him for continuing to sow discord about the election, Trump used those internet platforms to peddle baseless conspiracy theories. While doing so, his representatives actively negotiated to bring him to Parler, which sought to make the president a business partner who would help it compete with Twitter and Facebook by getting him to post his content on its platform first.

Former Trump campaign manager Brad Parscale raised the idea to Trump of taking an ownership stake in Parler during a meeting last year at the White House, according to a source familiar with the negotiations. Parscale had taken an early interest in Parler, and reportedly considered creating an account for Trump on the site in 2019 as a bulwark against Twitter and Facebook.

 

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Four sources told BuzzFeed News that Parscale and Trump campaign lawyer Alex Cannon met with Parler CEO John Matze and shareholders Dan Bongino and Jeffrey Wernick at Trump’s Florida club Mar-a-Lago in June 2020 to discuss the idea. But the White House counsel’s office soon put a stop to the talks, one person with knowledge of the discussions said, ruling that such a deal while Trump was president would violate ethics rules.

“The president was never part of the discussions,” Parscale told BuzzFeed News. “The discussions were never that substantive. And this was just one of many things the campaign was looking into to deal with the cancel culture of Silicon Valley.”

Parscale was replaced as the Trump campaign manager in July.

 

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Discussions were revived in the weeks following the election, according to two people involved, but the deal fell apart after the Capitol invasion. Following that event, Apple and Google removed Parler from their app stores, and Amazon kicked the company off its cloud hosting service, forcing the site offline. The tech giants determined that Parler had not done enough to moderate hate speech and calls for violence on its platform before, during, and after the Jan. 6 insurrection.

When reached by phone on Friday, Wernick, who called himself an adviser to the company, said that there had been discussions with the Trump Organization about bringing Trump onto the platform, but that the former president had not been involved in those conversations. He also said there were inaccuracies in what BuzzFeed News was reporting, but did not provide specifics on what, if anything, was inaccurate.

“We have spoken to several people about potential stakes in the company for producing certain things,” Wernick said. He declined to get into the specifics of negotiations citing nondisclosure agreements he said were in place between Parler and the Trump Organization.

Cannon and Matze declined to comment. Bongino and a Parler spokesperson did not respond to emailed requests for comment.

A Trump Organization spokesperson did not respond to a request for comment.

Founded in 2018 by former college roommates John Matze and Jared Thomson, and Rebekah Mercer, the right-wing political donor and daughter of hedge fund magnate Robert Mercer, Parler focused on building a social network that would serve as an alternative to Facebook and Twitter by taking a more lax approach to content moderation. It billed itself as a site that allowed “free expression.”

While it struggled to gain traction in its early months, it soon became a home for conservative and far-right personalities who had been suspended or banned from mainstream social media. By late 2020, it had become a go-to online gathering place for hate groups, conspiracy theorists, and believers in the QAnon mass delusion, as well as prominent Republican lawmakers, including Sen. Ted Cruz and Rep. Devin Nunes.

On Wednesday, Matze told the Wall Street Journal that the site had 15 million users, including the former president’s sons, Eric Trump and Donald Trump Jr., as well as various current and former members of Trump’s staff.

Donald Trump, however, never maintained a verified account on that platform, and preferred to keep his daily missives to Twitter and Facebook, where his audience was much larger. He had 88 million followers on Twitter and more than 35 million followers on Facebook before his Twitter ban and indefinite Facebook suspension last month. Trump’s son-in-law, Jared Kushner, intervened to keep him off Parler during his last days in office, according to Bloomberg News.

However, in negotiations with the Trump Organization, Parler offered a 40% stake in the company, according to a December document seen by BuzzFeed News and two people with direct knowledge of the proposed deal. Upon completion of that deal, half of that stake would have been given immediately to the Trump Organization, while the other half would have been doled out in tranches over the 24-month period of the agreement.

The Trump Organization, which oversees Trump’s brand and real estate interests, is a collection of hundreds of businesses that are owned or controlled by Donald Trump.

As part of the agreement, Parler wanted Trump to make it his primary social network. According to the documents, Trump would have had to post all his social content — including daily posts, video, and livestreaming — on Parler for at least four hours before putting it on any other platform.

As part of the deal, Parler also asked that Trump link back to Parler when posting to other social media sites or emailing his supporters, and to allow the company to use his email lists to promote its platform. In addition, Parler wanted Trump to make introductions to any potential investors or advertisers.

People familiar with the discussions said they were unclear if Trump was involved with negotiations, which were led from Parler’s side by two shareholders, Wernick and Bongino, a popular right-wing personality with close ties to Trump.

Kathleen Clark, a law professor at the Washington University in St. Louis, said that, had the deal gone through while Trump was still in office, both Parler and the president could have been in violation of anti-bribery laws. Because the former president often used his Twitter and Facebook accounts to make official communications — for example, announcing the firings of government officials — seeking to gain something in exchange for making posts exclusive to another platform could be illegal.

“I think it would have actually violated the bribery statute in that he would have been offered something of value — a stake in this company — in exchange for influencing an official act — the act of where to publish his official comments,” Clark said.

Scott Amey, general counsel at the Project on Government Oversight, a nonpartisan watchdog group, said the news warranted “an immediate criminal investigation.” A company’s mere act of offering a stake for the president’s participation looks unethical and deserves further scrutiny, he noted.

“While then-president Trump bragged that ethics rules didn’t apply to him, bribery laws do apply, and courts have held that Trump’s social media posts constituted official business while he was in office,” Amey said. “His posts were a preferred method for the White House to communicate with the public. If the offer included anything of value, and Trump planned to post on a social media platform while he was still in office, that would almost certainly be illegal, and he should be held accountable.”

Discussions to bring Trump onto Parler were ultimately derailed by the events of Jan. 6. After months of casting doubt on election results and calling for violence on social media platforms, the president’s supporters stormed the US Capitol. Some posted pictures or videos of their exploits to Parler, which had become a breeding ground for organizing hate and threats ahead of the riot.

The blowback for the company came fast, culminating in Parler’s removal from Apple and Google’s app stores and Amazon Web Services.

Matze, who said he was fired as Parler CEO last week by Mercer, told the Journal that before he was fired he had tried to implement more content moderation so that Apple and Google would allow the app back into their app stores. He said his suggestion to ban groups based on affiliations with designated domestic terrorism organizations was ultimately resisted by the board.

In a press statement on Thursday, Amy Peikoff, Parler’s chief policy officer, called Matze’s characterization of his termination “misleading” but did not say what exactly was inaccurate.

“The owners and managers of the company worked tirelessly to build a resilient, non-partisan platform dedicated to freedom of expression, civil discourse, and user privacy,” she said in the statement.

With Parler’s management in flux, it’s unclear when the app will come back online. With Matze gone, Mercer — who maintains majority control — has reportedly designated responsibilities to Matthew Richardson, a British lawyer, and Mark Meckler, a former tea party activist, according to a source.

Mercer, Richardson, and Meckler did not respond to requests for comment.

The company also recently attempted to raise funding, including from Narya Capital, the venture capital firm of J.D. Vance, the author of the popular memoir Hillbilly Elegy. Two sources told BuzzFeed News that Vance has also advised Mercer on matters regarding Parler.

Vance did not provide a comment for this story.

With no major social media outlet, Trump, who was impeached for his role in inciting the insurrection and will face a Senate trial next week, has been communicating with the public largely through the email list for his post-presidency office. Parler remains dormant, with a note that reads, “We will resolve any challenge before us and plan to welcome all of you back soon.”

On Friday, Wernick said he believes Parler will be up by next week and that the company has an executive team in place that has “stepped up.”

For now, the most recent post on the site is a Jan. 26 meme from Matze. It features a photo of a masked and gloved Bernie Sanders from Biden’s inauguration with superimposed text that says, “I wish that John guy would hurry up already.” ●

 

Edited February 6, 2021 by Francisco 2.0