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25 minutes ago, hornbri said:

Lots of them, I have a R1S that I absolutely love. 

I wish the R2 was coming out sooner than 2026. I’ll be in the market for a new SUV next spring, but the R1S is a bit too big for my needs.

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2 minutes ago, royiv said:

I wish the R2 was coming out sooner than 2026. I’ll be in the market for a new SUV next spring, but the R1S is a bit too big for my needs.

That's where I'm at too... but I have a friend that works for Rivian so I'm getting a deal on a R1T. And if I get one now, that puts me ahead of the line for the R2. 

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8 hours ago, YChang said:

Any Rivian owners here... I'm thiiiiiiiiis close to pulling the trigger on one. 

The car so nice we bought it twice. Both my wife and I drive an R1S. Love them. Only complaint is that they don’t have an option for 2nd row captains chairs. 

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21 hours ago, hornian said:

The car so nice we bought it twice. Both my wife and I drive an R1S. Love them. Only complaint is that they don’t have an option for 2nd row captains chairs. 

Nice, I too would love a captain chair option. 

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Just renewed the registration on my wife’s Tesla and I see the state of Texas has now added a $200 EV fee to registration.

I guess it’s supposed to make up for lost fuel taxes, which is $0.20/gallon. So that assumes the EV driver would otherwise buy 1,000 gallons of gas in Texas per year. At a modest 25 mpg average, that’s 25k miles per year driving within the state, which seems absurdly high.

In a state with a strong O&G industry and lobbyists, the $200 EV fee certainly seems punitive against EV owners.

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32 minutes ago, wild_turkey said:

Just renewed the registration on my wife’s Tesla and I see the state of Texas has now added a $200 EV fee to registration.

I guess it’s supposed to make up for lost fuel taxes, which is $0.20/gallon. So that assumes the EV driver would otherwise buy 1,000 gallons of gas in Texas per year. At a modest 25 mpg average, that’s 25k miles per year driving within the state, which seems absurdly high.

In a state with a strong O&G industry and lobbyists, the $200 EV fee certainly seems punitive against EV owners.

Don't forget the $0.18/gallon the Feds want as well.  All in Texans paying $0.384/gallon. At 25mpg would be 13k miles a year.

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Don't forget the $0.18/gallon the Feds want as well.  All in Texans paying $0.384/gallon. At 25mpg would be 13k miles a year.

I’m not sure I follow unless you’re suggesting the State of Texas is giving the Feds a proportional cut of the $200 EV fee. I’m assuming that is not happening, in which case the federal gas tax is irrelevant.
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9 hours ago, wild_turkey said:

In a state with a strong O&G industry and lobbyists, the $200 EV fee certainly seems punitive against EV owners.

Punitive is exactly what it is. I think the actual proportional tax is calculated to be about $40 extra. 

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6 hours ago, wild_turkey said:


I’m not sure I follow unless you’re suggesting the State of Texas is giving the Feds a proportional cut of the $200 EV fee. I’m assuming that is not happening, in which case the federal gas tax is irrelevant.

Ah, yeah I just took the current tax on gas, but you are correct it seems that Texas is just pocketing that extra amount, so yeah definitely punitive / more expensive for EV owners.

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I drove the Chevy Silverado LT EV on Saturday and was extremely impressed.  I worry about it being a new model - and that it is a little more pricey than I would like to spend on an unproven EV.

I have considered a Tesla Model 3 because of its relatively low entry price point.  However, the depreciation seems to be pretty steep on the Teslas these days.  Thoughts I am having (1) just buy new or (2) buy used.

#1 - I suffer depreciation, but the good/bad/ugly of the car is all on me.
#2 - 2 years old and around $20k lower than new

What do the Tesla owners and Tesla haters have to say?  Ideally, I want a reasonably priced EV with range of 300 miles.

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27 minutes ago, boilerhorn said:

I drove the Chevy Silverado LT EV on Saturday and was extremely impressed.  I worry about it being a new model - and that it is a little more pricey than I would like to spend on an unproven EV.

I have considered a Tesla Model 3 because of its relatively low entry price point.  However, the depreciation seems to be pretty steep on the Teslas these days.  Thoughts I am having (1) just buy new or (2) buy used.

#1 - I suffer depreciation, but the good/bad/ugly of the car is all on me.
#2 - 2 years old and around $20k lower than new

What do the Tesla owners and Tesla haters have to say?  Ideally, I want a reasonably priced EV with range of 300 miles.

I mean, if you’re cool driving a Swastikar, have at it.

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Posted
8 minutes ago, royiv said:

I mean, if you’re cool driving a Swastikar, have at it.

I intentionally left that part out. I’m not that cool about it, so I welcome alternatives. 

Posted
21 minutes ago, royiv said:

I mean, if you’re cool driving a Swastikar, have at it.

 

12 minutes ago, boilerhorn said:

I intentionally left that part out. I’m not that cool about it, so I welcome alternatives. 

Good alternative. 

 

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47 minutes ago, Telegraph_it said:

 

Good alternative. 

 

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Those things look slick but the MSRP is no joke. I was intrigued and then immediately not intrigued.

Anyway, there’s no need to cloak this thread IMO. We all know what the situation is and there are plenty of other threads to discuss that. I will say that I’d be surprised if it weren’t a strong buyers’ market for used Teslas right now. Is that what you’re seeing @boilerhorn?

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Agree not to cloak this thread, but I would be dishonest if acquiring a Tesla at this point did not give me pause.  Be that as it may...

Most of the newer EVs out there are fascinating, but have crazy MSRP and/or low range.  VW van above falls into both categories.

I am seeing a decent 2nd-ary market for Tesla right now.  A 2023 M3 Long-range w/ 20k miles is selling for 65% of new - from Tesla.  I think they can be had for less elsewhere, too.  

Posted
7 hours ago, boilerhorn said:

Agree not to cloak this thread, but I would be dishonest if acquiring a Tesla at this point did not give me pause.  Be that as it may...

Most of the newer EVs out there are fascinating, but have crazy MSRP and/or low range.  VW van above falls into both categories.

I am seeing a decent 2nd-ary market for Tesla right now.  A 2023 M3 Long-range w/ 20k miles is selling for 65% of new - from Tesla.  I think they can be had for less elsewhere, too.  

I have a 2018 Tesla LR and love it. Like you, not excited about giving Musk more money, but i think it's better than any alternatives at the price point.  I'm looking at a plug-in hybrid for my NEXT Cr, unless something new comes up.

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18 hours ago, boilerhorn said:

I drove the Chevy Silverado LT EV on Saturday and was extremely impressed.  I worry about it being a new model - and that it is a little more pricey than I would like to spend on an unproven EV.

I have considered a Tesla Model 3 because of its relatively low entry price point.  However, the depreciation seems to be pretty steep on the Teslas these days.  Thoughts I am having (1) just buy new or (2) buy used.

#1 - I suffer depreciation, but the good/bad/ugly of the car is all on me.
#2 - 2 years old and around $20k lower than new

What do the Tesla owners and Tesla haters have to say?  Ideally, I want a reasonably priced EV with range of 300 miles.

The revised Model 3 is meaningfully different from the previous one, and if you qualify for EV credit its still an insane value.

Depreciation probably isnt assessed properly. First they just had the new model. Second, EV credit brought down value across the board. 

As a new buyer, its unlikely the credits will be perpetual or increased - to your future advantage.

It's on balance still the best car in the segment. IMO, Hyundai/Kia are credible competitors if you like their styling. They still have more software weaknesses. The VW IDBuzz gets nowhere near 300 miles. I like Polestar 3 but they price it on the high end. Taycan Cross could be a good 2nd hand splurge. 

 

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31 minutes ago, Celery Man said:

Are the Hyundai Ioniqs nice?  I’ll probably keep driving my truck for another 5 years but the 6 looks cool. But Hyundai.

Both the Ioniq 5 and 6 get pretty good reviews, I think. I rode in a coworker's 6 once and it seemed pretty nice. When we were thinking we'd have to buy a new car back in the fall, I was leaning pretty heavily toward the 6 but we hadn't test drove one yet (we ended up not needing to buy). The looks are polarizing but I fall in the camp of really liking it.

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11 hours ago, CO Horn said:

I have a 2018 Tesla LR and love it. Like you, not excited about giving Musk more money, but i think it's better than any alternatives at the price point.  I'm looking at a plug-in hybrid for my NEXT Cr, unless something new comes up.

I absolutely feel this. I bought a Mustang Mach E GT (used) about a year ago because we had a PHEV for road trips, or when I had to work off-site away from my main office, etc. Well, my ex and I got divorced and I don't have that backup available. Now, I *love* the Mach E, but don't have time to do a stop-and-fill each way when I'm working off-site without waking up stupidly early or getting home stupidly late. It makes a long day longer, and it's a few times a month.

PHEV solves that. Leader in the pack is the Grand Cherokee for me right now.

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3 hours ago, 52-80 said:

The revised Model 3 is meaningfully different from the previous one, and if you qualify for EV credit its still an insane value.

Depreciation probably isnt assessed properly. First they just had the new model. Second, EV credit brought down value across the board. 

As a new buyer, its unlikely the credits will be perpetual or increased - to your future advantage.

It's on balance still the best car in the segment. IMO, Hyundai/Kia are credible competitors if you like their styling. They still have more software weaknesses. The VW IDBuzz gets nowhere near 300 miles. I like Polestar 3 but they price it on the high end. Taycan Cross could be a good 2nd hand splurge. 

 

Is the revised Model 2 from 2024+?  

A friend owns both a Tesla and Polestar.  He says the Polestar is the worst car he has ever owned.  Breakdowns, etc.  The Hyundais are interesting and I like the styling (had one as an Uber), but I fear the Hyundai "quality"

Posted
22 hours ago, boilerhorn said:

What do the Tesla owners and Tesla haters have to say?  Ideally, I want a reasonably priced EV with range of 300 miles.

The last time I was car shopping, I got in the Model 3 ready to love it and got out 10 seconds later because it sucked.
No turn signal ... you had to push buttons on the steering wheel instead.  A giant touchscreen for everything.
The interior felt cheap.

Perhaps the younger folks enjoy doing everything through a screen and pushing buttons to turn but it was not for me.

My wife liked the Mach-E and we almost went down that road.  It sucked less than the Tesla.

How hard is to make a car with a reasonably nice interior with just a few knobs and dials instead of a giant monitor?

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49 minutes ago, boilerhorn said:

Is the revised Model 2 from 2024+?  

A friend owns both a Tesla and Polestar.  He says the Polestar is the worst car he has ever owned.  Breakdowns, etc.  The Hyundais are interesting and I like the styling (had one as an Uber), but I fear the Hyundai "quality"

New one is 2024+ you can recognize outside by new tail lamps and front end. Meaningfully the suspension is more compliant, seats are better. 

Friend bought the Hyundai Ioniq 5 because he couldnt wait for a Model Y. Roomy car, AWD drivetrain great like the Y.

Theres stupid maintenance requirements and bugs in the in-car software and phone app and other limitation in tech that reminds you its kinda stuck in the old car world rather than built from a clean architecture. 

Tesla gets regular and legitimate functionality and *safety* updates through software. Previously, they added signals from the vehicle exterior cameras to pretension seatbelts in case of imminent crash (rather than wait for airbag triggers). Recently, they use in-cabin visual sensor (in addition to existing seat weight sensor) to adjust airbag response to the estimated weight and height of passengers.

In theory many of these EVs have software-updates, but they dont have the same level of component integration so they can’t or they don’t update with that level of functionality and frequency. 

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1 hour ago, Texas Jeff said:

The last time I was car shopping, I got in the Model 3 ready to love it and got out 10 seconds later because it sucked.
No turn signal ... you had to push buttons on the steering wheel instead.  A giant touchscreen for everything.
The interior felt cheap.

Perhaps the younger folks enjoy doing everything through a screen and pushing buttons to turn but it was not for me.

My wife liked the Mach-E and we almost went down that road.  It sucked less than the Tesla.

How hard is to make a car with a reasonably nice interior with just a few knobs and dials instead of a giant monitor?

I try not to jump in on bashing Tesla the cars because whatever. I mean I'm not going to buy one, but I can separate it out a bit. But it felt crazy to me the last time I was in one how cheap everything felt.

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Hearing that the turn signal stalk is missing from the newer Model 3 sucks. I love my 2018 Model 3 and the turn & gear stalks plus the steering wheel buttons being the only physical buttons available to me is awesome. I absolutely love the minimalism and efficiency BUT no turn signal stalk has me worried. 

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the stalk is in the new Y, and rumors are will return to the 3 also. 

some of their decisions they go back on.  the model s went to the yoke like steering, then after a while they decided to make the traditional round steering wheel available again.

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Thanks for all of the answers when I asked about this a short while back.  

Until I find a suitable EV not associated with the Nazi Elmo, I will gladly continue driving my 10+ year old Toyota Sienna and Lexus RX.

/no CR

@immamac - feel free to delete if I am violating thread rules.

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14 hours ago, boilerhorn said:

Thanks for all of the answers when I asked about this a short while back.  

Until I find a suitable EV not associated with the Nazi Elmo, I will gladly continue driving my 10+ year old Toyota Sienna and Lexus RX.

/no CR

@immamac - feel free to delete if I am violating thread rules.

If those are your comps, I'd seriously look at a used Rivian R1S. The only thing Rivian doesn't have that I would think you'd miss is captains chairs in the middle row. Otherwise, it's one of the best cars I've ever owned. And we liked mine so much we bought (well, leased with the specials last year) a 2nd one for my wife. 

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14 hours ago, boilerhorn said:

Thanks for all of the answers when I asked about this a short while back.  

Until I find a suitable EV not associated with the Nazi Elmo, I will gladly continue driving my 10+ year old Toyota Sienna and Lexus RX.

/no CR

@immamac - feel free to delete if I am violating thread rules.

Kia/Hyundia/Genesis make great EVs. They are the best of the non-super expensive luxury models. Go test drive one. 

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On 2/17/2025 at 1:09 PM, boilerhorn said:

I drove the Chevy Silverado LT EV on Saturday and was extremely impressed.  I worry about it being a new model - and that it is a little more pricey than I would like to spend on an unproven EV.

I have considered a Tesla Model 3 because of its relatively low entry price point.  However, the depreciation seems to be pretty steep on the Teslas these days.  Thoughts I am having (1) just buy new or (2) buy used.

#1 - I suffer depreciation, but the good/bad/ugly of the car is all on me.
#2 - 2 years old and around $20k lower than new

What do the Tesla owners and Tesla haters have to say?  Ideally, I want a reasonably priced EV with range of 300 miles.

Politics aside and I won’t buy another god damned tesla for anything - but I bought both an S and an X used. I’ve had virtually no issues either them. AC repair on the X and a door handle on the S, that’s about it. Everything else minor. Battery degradation is minimal. Both over 100,000 miles. Our X is a 2016 and has 220 max range and it’s never an issue except frequent stops on road trips. 2016 is still highly relevant due to software based controls. No car play though. The thing is though, there are so many options now and in a year or two the used market for all the other OEMs will start to develop. Not sure our next one - it won’t be a tesla - but it will almost surely be used. The lack of mechanical systems and parts makes buying a used EV just that much more logical. 

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I’d also add that apart from maybe rivian you’d be hard pressed to find a better EV than the model S. Those saying it seems cheap, I don’t know about the Y and the 3 but I’ve not thought the X or the S were cheap. Extremely simple yes. I still enjoy driving it. But if I had to chose now I’d get a used Rivian.

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On 3/4/2025 at 3:45 AM, troph said:

I’d also add that apart from maybe rivian you’d be hard pressed to find a better EV than the model S. Those saying it seems cheap, I don’t know about the Y and the 3 but I’ve not thought the X or the S were cheap. Extremely simple yes. I still enjoy driving it. But if I had to chose now I’d get a used Rivian.

I've always found the comments that the interior is "cheap" was a misguided critique by those judging just from photos.

Obviously, tastes are subjective. What I really mean is that in typical cars, the driver is enveloped by the dash with its instrument cluster and centerstack with banks of gauges and buttons.  And on that basis you would would say those components are nicer in an Audi than they are in a Ford.  You can't avoid them.  They're prominently in your face.

In a Tesla, those things are entirely absent. The dash is low and the most visible thing is the greenhouse/exterior view. So the interior is neither nice or cheap, it's that when you're actually driving the car, it's simply not noticeable at all.

 

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Thinking of dipping my toes in the EV waters.  Any thoughts on the Lexus RZ?  It will solely be used as a daily commuter car, about 50 miles a day.  Charging at home every night.  I like the look of the interior better than a similarly priced model y.  For the price (mid 40k), seems like an attractive option.  

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5 hours ago, Grumpy Camel said:

Thinking of dipping my toes in the EV waters.  Any thoughts on the Lexus RZ?  It will solely be used as a daily commuter car, about 50 miles a day.  Charging at home every night.  I like the look of the interior better than a similarly priced model y.  For the price (mid 40k), seems like an attractive option.  

Haven't seen it. I strongly recommend checking out the Korean options. They are very strong. 

Posted
5 hours ago, cabowabo said:

The outgoing Model Y Performance version can be had for $37k after the $7,500 tax credit. That’s a pretty good deal. 

You get a swasticar that’s depreciating  faster than just about anything else out there.

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